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post Nov 17 2016, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Nov 17 2016, 09:41 AM)
EUR 1 million get ASM?
well Exocet MM40 Block 3 cost usd 3.5-4 million each,  even NSM also cost 2.8-3 million each.
and kedah class only design with 4 ASM (2X2 formation).

and i think you confuse with RAM Missile & launcher, only missile is cost usd 1m+-
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MK49 Launcher with hold 21 missiles cost 8 million,plus support, training, installation may cost up to 10 million usd.  

assume 1 kedah class:
4pcs NSM + Launcher = usd 16 million +
30pcs RIM116c missile @1m each (21 in hole+ remaining for spare and training/testing) + launcher = 40million
total usd 56 million per-ship.    (a LMS price)

My view priority still install searam (RIM116c) with Mk49 launcher  first, since new version now can attack small fast moving boat.
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Harpoon Block 2 claimed USD 1.2M, Exocet claimed EUR 800K in previous years, then I mark up a bit. Tomahawk cruise missile is USD 1.1M-1.2M also. Kongsberg NSM is quoted to be around or slightly lower than Tomahawk ie USD 1M or a bit less. RAM also, yes per shot , I didn't check RAM launcher price but it should be expensive since RAM's standout point is in its rapidfire systems and radar.

Of course this is from Jane's, defence news and US govt budget data. If you have better source it would be great.

I didn't know Kedah only supposed to have 4 biji total sad.gif

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post Nov 17 2016, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Nov 17 2016, 01:31 PM)
well we must see on hole packages cost not single unit price,  US missile sell locally is national price, also it only missile price, not include packages. mainly refilll the stock.
you can see other country order Harpoon price price include all packages can from usd 3-7 million if average out for single unit price。
also US missile usually cheaper than euro missile due to large quantity production。
now small small missile also usd 1++ million.
but you know lah use US missile weapon must follow there role & policy。
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Fair enough.
Then our best source is probably this recent sale to India.

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The contract is worth $81 million, according to PTI. The contract includes the procurement of 22 Lot 89 Harpoon missiles, associated containers and components. These missiles will be ready by June 2018 to be delivered to India.


US$ 3 million, almost US$ 4 million rclxub.gif can expect Exocet to cost at least as much if not a little more... the price of two LMS
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post Nov 17 2016, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Nov 17 2016, 02:53 PM)
suka dia org.. boat plane ke, tank plane ke, boat car ke.. janji indon bahagia.. anyone tried out such a platform before? i wonder how accurate is the gun while on water..
integrated force.. indons are getting smarter... their konstrad seems to be well trained
the last time a ruski vessl berth and was stranded at indon port near kalimantan due to demurrage issues.. 18 of the 40 crew died after bringing on board moonlighted drinks laced with industrial alcohol.. noone expected them to drink so much
hidup prc!!! msia boleh serbis byk byk.. syukur myr jatuh..
i think he shit in his pants laughing  laugh.gif
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But I did doh.gif
Indon alcohol just as deadly to foreign invaders as the army
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post Nov 19 2016, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Nov 18 2016, 05:18 PM)
plus 24 rafales worr
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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Nov 18 2016, 04:49 PM)
72. fking 72.  ohmy.gif
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and 40 F/A-18E/F Super Hornets for another USD 10.1 billion. However they may buy less F-15s if they want to include Typhoon... I'm not sure why???

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/kuwait...-into-the-2020s

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The Kuwaiti deal is worth approximately $10.1 billion for 32 E-model Super Hornets, 8 F-models, their associated F414-GE-400 engines and spares, 41 AN/APG active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars and a slew of weapon systems, including 20mm guns, 240 guided missile launchers, 45 AN/ALR-67(V)3 radar warning receivers, 12 AN/AAQ-33 SNIPER advanced targeting pods, 48 Link-16 systems, eight conformal fuel tanks among others. The sale also includes associated support and logistics services.

The agreement with Qatar would bring in approximately $21.1 billion for the aircraft and their associated weapons systems, US-based training, maintenance support equipment, and logistics support, among other items. The country is considering splitting the 72-jet purchase between Boeing’s F-15 and the Eurofighter Typhoon.


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post Nov 21 2016, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Nov 21 2016, 02:31 AM)
the arming of polis bantuan is depend on their employer
BSN surely have arms so does KTM and Genting
Poslaju I am not sure

but the million dollar question is what hanppened to the bank guard
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post Nov 21 2016, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Nov 21 2016, 04:23 PM)
Navy's size slashed to a dangerous low: UK MPs warn shrunken fleet needs more ships to defend our shores and the Falklands

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if anything that graphic shows how low Russia has sunk...

QUOTE(waja2000 @ Nov 21 2016, 04:16 PM)
they pay "Protection fees" to US as many military people said.
also one of reason is they buy long maintenance packages up to 20 year until Mid life upgrade or SLEP。
but just wanner why so small country like Kuwait & Qatar need so many 4th generation fighter ? even MY much bigger country only few 4 gen fighter also hard to get more unit.  really look like is "political buy" even other they buy like Rafale, C-17, Apache etc。。。。what Qatar need C-17 for doing what?
to team up as Arab forces ?
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I meant I don't understand why buy Typhoon in addition to all that...

Saudi buying US protection too? Since they are almost fully US equipped whistling.gif
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post Nov 22 2016, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Nov 21 2016, 09:27 PM)
seriously not think wrong RM2 company, that is minimum money to register company,
just for register company, not much people want register company not much care how much to register company.
not different with RM100 or RM1000 register company, 
importance is after done register company, how many fund inject to company.
maybe gov need change rule minimum 1 million to register company?
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The issue is not with the paid up capital itself

The issue is that awarding the contract to a company like that is either simply giving it to some company with no prior history of work or the company is a front for somebody else. Both are indicators of cronyism.
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post Nov 22 2016, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(dongfeng21 @ Nov 22 2016, 05:53 PM)
not true, if the cost and quality is justifiable
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Initially it will always seem so, then later on run into difficulties, AG keluar report no one kesah, millions wasted, if pembangkang bongkar jailkan dia... next round start all over again whistling.gif thats the endless cycle of Msian business doh.gif

And of course there is the issue of who is the company fronting for. More money going to the 0.1% while the poor remain poor, so that the bumi policies favouring the 0.1% can continue to "help the disadvantaged" whistling.gif
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post Nov 23 2016, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Nov 23 2016, 10:04 AM)
well partially not correct,  usually mostly still via tender, and in tender document also have list pass project ,  but at the end capability is other story, every project is different.  well not all project give to class A contractor (tier 1 contractor), usually some also give to c,d,e class contractor maybe no have strong capability/resources/financially if facing problem.  personally i think Gov should increase those contractor grade with more higher capital in bank, engineering staff, qualification, information technology, etc etc.  too low for currently specially for low grade contractor.
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Yes.

But a Rm2 company is unlikely to have much of a list of past projects.

Tender for what, its all closed anyway, got past project or don't have no one will ever know.

So again the question, why do contracts pass to lower ranked contractors who have difficulty meeting the standard of work. Anak orang la tu. So Msia will always have below standard work, pay higher tender and rectification costs and feed the cronies until you all finally get fed up with the system.
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post Nov 23 2016, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(Gregyong @ Nov 23 2016, 06:50 PM)
Question: Can (any) Military buy insurance for their assets?
ie. Make AIG pay for the sinking of the Nimitz in case someone drives a submarine into it.
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obviously not for war losses sweat.gif

even during peacetime also... why? the govt just goes and buys another Nimitz lah

if anything, the US Govt is the insurer of AIG, considering it bailed out AIG for USD 180 billion... how many Nimitzes is that again? laugh.gif
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post Nov 24 2016, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Nov 24 2016, 09:28 AM)
but military aircraft(include helos) usually crash rate x3 more than civilian aircraft. 
if can insure, sure cost will be very high。
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there's really no point to it

its a bit like asking your 6 year old son to insure his pencils in tadika (if they go missing he pays you for them)

in the first place, when the pencil goes missing you simply buy another

in the second place, even if you do it and your 6 year old son (the 'insurance company') pays for the pencils, you give him his pocket money anyway so there's no point laugh.gif

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post Nov 25 2016, 01:53 AM

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Speaking of which, here's a Terrex 3 prototype at a USMC exhibition in September

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AAV Survivability Upgrade prototype

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post Nov 25 2016, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Nov 25 2016, 03:37 PM)
4500ton? destroyer?  hmm.gif
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I've actually seen this mistake made by newsies more than once doh.gif its official designation is Type 45, somehow this becomes 4,500 tons I dunno why doh.gif it actually displaces around 9,000 plus metric tons... what would have been called cruisers not too long ago.

well fuck this gon be good. Type 45 engines are basically the Tiger tank engines of the Royal Navy - expensively custom built machines for which there are no spares and somewhat prone to failure, aggravated by long service in the Mid East for which apparently they were not designed to withstand doh.gif HMS Duncan is the AAW ship in charge of watching the Russian fleet so... this gon be good doh.gif
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post Nov 25 2016, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Nov 25 2016, 05:16 PM)
buffer at somebody's land? hmm.. how smart of them
lol... rusty ruski boats are laufing
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Indeed. That's why RT so fast2 taruk news.

BTW actual pic of HMS Duncan under tow. UK news not so drastic as RT, say unknown mechanical casualty rolleyes.gif

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post Nov 25 2016, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Nov 25 2016, 05:24 PM)
Not really tiger tank engine, just first war ship  using new generation IEP (integration Electric Propulsion) system  with use WR21 gas turbine (base from aircraft engine) + 2 diesel Engine. but main issue is the bad specially design Intake cooling & Exhaust system for  WR21 gas turbine cause brake down/power loss in hot temperature.  well like France/Italy/US/Japan/turkey warship also use Gas turbine engine in warship also no issue. warship using Gas turbine need very Expert design in intake/exhause/cooling system.
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Custom design, cutting edge tech, few spares, easy break down, fighting in wrong climate... that's the similarities with Tiger tank laugh.gif

Incidentally however it does show the importance of NATO against Russia. A Russian destroyer break down (and it does happen!), they have to find their own internally. HMS Duncan breaks down, the Spanish Aegis destroyer Almirate Juan de Borbon is there to take its place. UK is only 1 of an alliance with at least 2 other strong nations (France, Germany) and a few others with plenty of punch to contribute (Italy, Spain, Norway)
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QUOTE(Dreadstar @ Nov 25 2016, 05:43 PM)
iinm. last 2 month same class warship broke down on gulf hot waters. not one but six warships. now this  confused.gif

Rolls-Royce ?
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No recent break downs IINM. The recent debate was around the need to fix the "Gulf hot water" issue which was a problem back when UK was actively involved in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan.

There was some hoo-ha because all six Type 45s happened to be in port a couple months ago, actually because of an overlap in timing when some ships were returning from deployment and some ships (HMS Duncan included) were about to be deployed.

Some parts of the UK press can be just as blind as media here... well, more actually since there's less control rolleyes.gif
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BTW we talked about rocket backblast the other day... this one is jet engine, not quite rocket but well laugh.gif
LMAO so hard watching the doll bergetar2


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post Nov 26 2016, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Nov 26 2016, 07:31 AM)
Sigh.
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post Nov 27 2016, 01:18 AM

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Much like the Scorpene leak, I think this may well torpedo the Terrex 3 entry for USMC's AAV replacement.
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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Nov 29 2016, 11:43 AM)
then got her U.S. citizenship after passing the MAVNI (Military Accessions Vital to National Interest) program for those who study in the U.S. for at least 2 years.
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Nov 28 2016, 03:27 PM)
they're fighting their own Muslim brethren..and yet they still yell "Death to America, death to Israel"

dafaq
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Because America and Yahudi are to blame for everything
You can see the behaviour in our own country

PAS accuse PKR accuse UMNO accuse DAP all as agents of CIA yahudi illuminati kpop rolleyes.gif
QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Nov 28 2016, 05:17 PM)
Belrex
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Who dafuq is in charge of making up names for your equipment, really sweat.gif doh.gif

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