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dasecret
post Dec 14 2016, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 14 2016, 10:33 AM)
I supposed the worst is over now for Malaysia exposed funds. At least for now there are some gains and some losses, not like previously just one way lao sai.
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I think the duration that you are looking at is very short, that's why you feel that Msian exposed fund is not worthy. The truth is, ponzi 1.0 did really well beginning of the year by avoiding China and focused on south east asia. But if you are only looking at last 3 months, then yes, ponzi 1.0 paled in comparison when compared to ponzi 2.0 or US fund or india fund, but these funds sucked beginning of the year. The idea is, have some strong funds in each geographical segment and when one goes down, the other will rise to support

btw, even my KGF has IRR of 9.89%, close to holding for 3 years as well, sure, it's lower than before... but it's not that bad still
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post Dec 14 2016, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 14 2016, 10:48 AM)
I think the duration that you are looking at is very short, that's why you feel that Msian exposed fund is not worthy. The truth is, ponzi 1.0 did really well beginning of the year by avoiding China and focused on south east asia. But if you are only looking at last 3 months, then yes, ponzi 1.0 paled in comparison when compared to ponzi 2.0 or US fund or india fund, but these funds sucked beginning of the year. The idea is, have some strong funds in each geographical segment and when one goes down, the other will rise to support

btw, even my KGF has IRR of 9.89%, close to holding for 3 years as well, sure, it's lower than before... but it's not that bad still
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For me i dont depend so much on the funds' historical data. Many Malaysian funds were doing well previously, but those are things of the past. Worse during the Trump effect peak period the Ringgit currency is under heavy selling pressure and funds are moving out of the country, you just feel that it is a major typhoon or earthquake.

Our investment are too insignificant compared to those bigger ones. In addition, there is opportunity cost for keeping money in non performing funds.

This post has been edited by puchongite: Dec 14 2016, 11:12 AM
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post Dec 14 2016, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 14 2016, 11:08 AM)
For me i dont depend so much on the funds' historical data. Many Malaysian funds were doing well previously, but those are things of the past. Worse during the Trump effect peak period the Ringgit currency is under heavy selling pressure and funds are moving out of the country, you just feel that it is a major typhoon or earthquake.

Our investment are too insignificant compared to those bigger ones. There is opportunity cost for keeping money in non performing funds.
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spoke my mind. I don't lose any returns if I move my investment from Malaysia to other countries because they have the ability to stabilize to itself quickly.

on the other had I have alot to lose for by keeping malaysia in my portfolio in hopes it gets better as I lose out on returns from other funds and the post trump debacle thought me a lot how fickle our economy is and BNM had to go about a flip flop way to counter the mass hysteria by first closing forex trading for a day but not informing public and circulated a memo with banks, then created a pseudo capital control then finally creating a rule that all foreign trades must convert to myr.

good for short term fix but we will pay for this in a long run.
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post Dec 14 2016, 11:24 AM

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Nomura underweights Malaysia

KUALA LUMPUR: In less than four months, Malaysia’s equity market has been downgraded twice by Nomura as the global investment bank expects the country’s worsening growth outlook to continue in 2017.

“We downgraded the market to neutral in September and now [the] further downgrade to underweight reflects a worsening of its growth outlook,” Nomura vice president of equity strategy for Asean and Asia ex-Japan Shubhankar (Mixo) Das said in a media briefing on Nomura Securities’ equities and economic outlook 2017 on Monday.

Mixo shared the same view with Nomura economist Euben Paracuelles that many of the country’s supporters of growth are starting to fail, which translates into a weaker earnings profile for the equity market. The Edge Financial Daily reported yesterday that Paracuelles cut Malaysia’s gross domestic product growth forecast for next year to 3.7% from 3.9%. Similarly, he expected the country’s 2018 improvement to be limited, and thus projected a growth of 3.7% as compared with the previous 4.2%.

http://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/166933
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post Dec 14 2016, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 14 2016, 11:08 AM)
For me i dont depend so much on the funds' historical data. Many Malaysian funds were doing well previously, but those are things of the past. Worse during the Trump effect peak period the Ringgit currency is under heavy selling pressure and funds are moving out of the country, you just feel that it is a major typhoon or earthquake.

Our investment are too insignificant compared to those bigger ones. In addition, there is opportunity cost for keeping money in non performing funds.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 14 2016, 11:24 AM)
Nomura underweights Malaysia

KUALA LUMPUR: In less than four months, Malaysia’s equity market has been downgraded twice by Nomura as the global investment bank expects the country’s worsening growth outlook to continue in 2017.

“We downgraded the market to neutral in September and now [the] further downgrade to underweight reflects a worsening of its growth outlook,” Nomura vice president of equity strategy for Asean and Asia ex-Japan Shubhankar (Mixo) Das said in a media briefing on Nomura Securities’ equities and economic outlook 2017 on Monday.

Mixo shared the same view with Nomura economist Euben Paracuelles that many of the country’s supporters of growth are starting to fail, which translates into a weaker earnings profile for the equity market. The Edge Financial Daily reported yesterday that Paracuelles cut Malaysia’s gross domestic product growth forecast for next year to 3.7% from 3.9%. Similarly, he expected the country’s 2018 improvement to be limited, and thus projected a growth of 3.7% as compared with the previous 4.2%.

http://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/166933
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Yeah, I read that 95 pages Nomura report. You know, they are not all positive about Asia as well, they expect MSCI Asia ex-Japan to end 2017 slightly below current levels, what do you plan to do with that?

I'm not advocating for overweight Malaysia, what I'm trying to say is, don't need to panic sell what you have as well

But that's my opinion, as with everyone else's opinion, should be taken with a pinch of salt. When something is said and echoed by 100 other ppl doesn't make it the truth. Only time will tell

This post has been edited by dasecret: Dec 14 2016, 11:32 AM
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 14 2016, 11:15 AM)
spoke my mind. I don't lose any returns if I move my investment from Malaysia to other countries because they have the ability to stabilize to itself quickly.

on the other had I have alot to lose for by keeping malaysia in my portfolio in hopes it gets better as I lose out on returns from other funds and the post trump debacle thought me a lot how fickle our economy is and BNM had to go about a flip flop way to counter the mass hysteria by first closing forex trading for a day but not informing public and circulated a memo with banks, then created a pseudo capital control then finally creating a rule that all foreign trades must convert to myr.

good for short term fix but we will pay for this in a long run.
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I guess nobody really knows. Afterall the world's top analysts and research houses told us Brexit won't happen, Trump won't win and OPEC won't come to a deal.

I personally think it's not gloom and doom for Malaysia but what do I know. Everyone should make their own decisions based on their own research and reading.
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post Dec 14 2016, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Dec 14 2016, 10:04 AM)
Long time no see bro. Hope you are keeping well especially with your gold portfolio.  biggrin.gif

Yep, I am also opening more funds for the year 2017. I started off with a lot of funds, then trimmed down the funds and now back to expanding the funds again. It sounds like my waistline.  laugh.gif
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Gold still following my 2-3 years plan, profit currently down to 35% annualized. No worry. The crowd here are mostly following the UT investment rule book and not receptive to trading methods, so nowadays just lurking lor. Moreover most of them are in accumulating mode while I'm already in sustaining mode. Different wavelength.
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Dec 14 2016, 10:11 AM)
I don't have any titan. A bit worry might be catching the tail of it only.

For you, is this just a starter dish or the main course ?
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Just started dish.. A bit only blush.gif
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 14 2016, 11:24 AM)
Nomura underweights Malaysia

KUALA LUMPUR: In less than four months, Malaysia’s equity market has been downgraded twice by Nomura as the global investment bank expects the country’s worsening growth outlook to continue in 2017.

“We downgraded the market to neutral in September and now [the] further downgrade to underweight reflects a worsening of its growth outlook,” Nomura vice president of equity strategy for Asean and Asia ex-Japan Shubhankar (Mixo) Das said in a media briefing on Nomura Securities’ equities and economic outlook 2017 on Monday.

Mixo shared the same view with Nomura economist Euben Paracuelles that many of the country’s supporters of growth are starting to fail, which translates into a weaker earnings profile for the equity market. The Edge Financial Daily reported yesterday that Paracuelles cut Malaysia’s gross domestic product growth forecast for next year to 3.7% from 3.9%. Similarly, he expected the country’s 2018 improvement to be limited, and thus projected a growth of 3.7% as compared with the previous 4.2%.

http://www.klsescreener.com/v2/news/view/166933
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It's slowly becoming obvious that socialism and fundamentalism isn't really market-friendly. But at one point this country will get really cheap, and worth picking up - the price of the country will become lower than the value of it, and people aren't stupid to keep voting for socialism and fundamentalism when they can clearly see the effect it has on the economy.

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post Dec 14 2016, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 14 2016, 11:27 AM)
Yeah, I read that 95 pages Nomura report. You know, they are not all positive about Asia as well, they expect MSCI Asia ex-Japan to end 2017 slightly below current levels, what do you plan to do with that?

I'm not advocating for overweight Malaysia, what I'm trying to say is, don't need to panic sell what you have as well

But that's my opinion, as with everyone else's opinion, should be taken with a pinch of salt. When something is said and echoed by 100 other ppl doesn't make it the truth. Only time will tell
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you read 95pages ? shocking.gif

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is that part of your 9-to-5 work ?

the active posters here are dumping malaysian fund. not sure from what % to what % though. they may still be overweight malaysia.

QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Dec 14 2016, 11:33 AM)
Gold still following my 2-3 years plan, profit currently down to 35% annualized. No worry. The crowd here are mostly following the UT investment rule book and not receptive to trading methods, so nowadays just lurking lor. Moreover most of them are in accumulating mode while I'm already in sustaining mode. Different wavelength.
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please share more on sustaining mode thinking...i'm getting there soon (in a few years' time)
do you periodically sell for cashflow? or you have other source of cash for retirement?
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post Dec 14 2016, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Dec 14 2016, 11:33 AM)
Gold still following my 2-3 years plan, profit currently down to 35% annualized. No worry. The crowd here are mostly following the UT investment rule book and not receptive to trading methods, so nowadays just lurking lor. Moreover most of them are in accumulating mode while I'm already in sustaining mode. Different wavelength.
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I am also interested in how sifus deal with portfolio which is more than 5 years....
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post Dec 14 2016, 12:48 PM

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Listed below are median targets for benchmark indexes in major markets from Japan to India based on Bloomberg surveys. Separate calculations done by Bloomberg are based on analyst price targets of member stocks in the indexes.

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post Dec 14 2016, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 8 2016, 03:05 PM)
Yes
Btw, which specific funds u r targeting?
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No specific fund. just wondered how FSM select which funds to come in and which ones are not.
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QUOTE(frankzane @ Dec 14 2016, 02:00 PM)
No specific fund. just wondered how FSM select which funds to come in and which ones are not.
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got your back homey

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...tormaincode=All

head to the methodology of fund selection.
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post Dec 14 2016, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(spiderman17 @ Dec 14 2016, 11:51 AM)
you read 95pages ?  shocking.gif

notworthy.gif
is that part of your 9-to-5 work ?

the active posters here are dumping malaysian fund. not sure from what % to what % though. they may still be overweight malaysia.
please share more on sustaining mode thinking...i'm getting there soon (in a few years' time)
do you periodically sell for cashflow? or you have other source of cash for retirement?
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Sell them almost monthly. For sustaining I'm following some concept from the book The Art of Investing and Portfolio Management, using 3-tiered portfolio strategy. Tier 1 is for short term consisting of bond & cash that can provide 2 years of cash flow need. Mine are FI UT, cash etc. Tier 2 is for mid term, 2 to 10 years need consisting a balanced of stock & bond. Mine are EPF, UT, stocks & ETF. Tier 3 is long term growth, mainly growth stocks. I'm using resources UT & stocks, stock options & forex for this.

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Dec 14 2016, 02:17 PM)
Sell them almost monthly. For sustaining I'm following some concept from the book The Art of Investing and Portfolio Management, using 3-tiered portfolio strategy. Tier 1 is for short term consisting of bond & cash that can provide 2 years of cash flow need. Mine are FI UT, cash etc.  Tier 2 is for mid term, 2 to 10 years need consisting a balanced of stock & bond. Mine are EPF, UT, stocks & ETF. Tier 3 is long term growth, mainly growth stocks. I'm using resources UT & stocks, stock options & forex for this.
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You can achieve long-term growth with forex and stock options?


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QUOTE(David3700 @ Dec 14 2016, 12:25 PM)
I am also interested in how sifus deal with portfolio which is more than 5 years....
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I think it should be the same as any other portfolio. Just need to top-up and rebalance regularly. One thing, when stock market crash like 2007/8, don't hesitate to move large portion to bond or money market, and remember to move back to equity when things going from bad to less bad smile.gif
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Dec 14 2016, 02:20 PM)
You can achieve long-term growth with forex and stock options?
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Key word is growth, which is higher risk, adding $$$ to your account quickly. You can sell option premium and get $1k monthly depending on your capital. Forex can get about 10-20% monthly. Since they are high risk, you don't allocate big portion of your wealth to them, 5-10% will do, and they are your engine of growth in your retirement years. Of course they are not the only tools, there are UT & stocks as well.
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Dec 14 2016, 02:36 PM)
Key word is growth, which is higher risk, adding $$$ to your account quickly. You can sell option premium and get $1k monthly depending on your capital. Forex can get about 10-20% monthly. Since they are high risk, you don't allocate big portion of your wealth to them, 5-10% will do, and they are your engine of growth in your retirement years. Of course they are not the only tools, there are UT & stocks as well.
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So when you are old, you will dedicate 10% of your life savings to an ultra-high-risk investment, and depend on it to finance your living expenses?

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post Dec 14 2016, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Dec 14 2016, 02:09 PM)
got your back homey

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...tormaincode=All

head to the methodology of fund selection.
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Okey...that methodology was for recommendation of existing funds.

What I probably wanted to know more is how FSM selects which funds to bring in for investor like us. You see, there are a lot more funds in the market which are not offered in FSM.

Thanks.

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