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 Just had some argument rgd dowry issues

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post Oct 28 2016, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(jwrx @ Oct 21 2016, 05:52 PM)
promise them that one day, when you are in better position financially, then you can provide a decent dowry
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Honestly, no in-laws will take this bait.
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post Oct 28 2016, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(dangerminimouse @ Oct 26 2016, 03:00 PM)
Nowadays how to get one below 1200. Very susah la.

I plan to go lower one, then relative complain say too far. I got to choose a centralize one mah.
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Which do u care more? The table cost (money) or ur relatives' complaint? Decide yourself
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post Oct 28 2016, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Oct 28 2016, 02:13 PM)
This is the most ideal wedding.

Wedding + honeymoon together one shot.

No monkey show, no yam seng show, no need waste money on photographer (and sometimes get shit photos), no need show off here and there.

Most importantly, parents, in-laws and busybody relatives are OUT OF THE WAY!

I spoke to my girlfie about this idea when we are considered stable in the relationship.

She supported my plans and luckily her parents are those cincai type.

Just be open with your concerns lahh.

I am sure she will understand cuz after all, marriage is about the two of you.
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are u mid 20s or after 30? most of my hengdai after 30, marriage a lot simpler, both side just want to get over with it (unless 1 side is tan sri level)

but those young young ones head in the clouds, still thinking of venue = glass house and must have min budget 50k.
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post Oct 28 2016, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(MakNok @ Oct 21 2016, 06:29 PM)
since you pointed out your right...
isn't bride parent have the right to dowry deem suitable to them as well?
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Like that no difference with selling daughter lohh.

I have a friend (really a friend cuz I am still single) whose future parents in law asked for RM88,888 dowry.

He straight tell them right in the face:

CAN! No problem. I can get a loan from ah long. Then if I cannot repay them, and they come and look for you guys, then you settle with them lahh.

The future parents in law straight changed their minds and told my friend to give whatever he could afford, in exhange for a caring and kind son in law.

Because of that, their relationship became very close.
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QUOTE(spacelion @ Oct 28 2016, 05:06 PM)
are u mid 20s or after 30? most of my hengdai after 30, marriage a lot simpler, both side just want to get over with it (unless 1 side is tan sri level)

but those young young ones head in the clouds, still thinking of venue = glass house and must have min budget 50k.
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I was in my early 20s when I discussed this topic with my girlfie.

Being someone who likes travelling, she agreed almost right away hahaha.
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QUOTE(goodiemangold @ Oct 22 2016, 01:20 PM)
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And for those that say it's stupid to have dinner and expect other ppl to pay, u guys miss the point of all this. Receiving a wedding invitation is a blessing and u r there to wish the newly weds lifetime bliss. Most Chinese gave big angpows for wedding coz they r happy for the couple and just want to help out with their expenses.
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Yes, that WAS the original meaning of wedding invitations.

Almost all Chinese weddings nowadays are clown shows (during the morning ceremony) and show off events (during the dinner).
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post Oct 28 2016, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(dman @ Oct 27 2016, 07:02 PM)
If your in-laws not wealthy type of ppl, usually they use the dowry to buy gold for their daughter and for u when doing the tea ceremony time.

Dowry in the range of 3k to 5k is reasonable and usually that's the figure to buy some gold. This from my family experience.

If you however unable to afford it or their demand figure is quite high, try calmly discuss with your wife and nego with ur in-law.

Wedding indeed spent ALOT of money, usually all little little accumulate till skyrocket figure  innocent.gif
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Precisely. The giving of dowry is just nominal and most in laws are kind. If you don't think you can pay that sum to your future in laws you should evaluate yourself.
It is a bit of pride as who wants to give their daughter away in marriage for free. Respect your culture.
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post Oct 28 2016, 08:05 PM

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be firm la....just discuss with your gf, show her how much you could afford, and tell her your future budget, she will understand one lah... Once she agreed with that amount, you need to act firm. Just send the dowry maybe plus a flower hamper things like that to make it looks decent. Dun have to tell ur inlaw la....usually reasonable one would be around 10k lah, just make the figure nice eg 8888 (example lah)

If inlaw not happy who cares la...nvm la, how long they can be unhappy about? one week? 2 weeks? but you save ur a$$ of getting financial troubles for YEARS u know... Most important is agreement between you and your gf...if your gf supportive, can ask her to share a bit burden la, after all the money will come back to her one later...face not important la between two of u, most important is understandings between you both.

wedding dinner lagi easy to settle if in one place. Mine 3 places, run here and there almost 2.5 weeks craazy...Spread out la, father side wanted to do in town A my grandparents there (they cant move far due to knee problem) , father tanggung everything la...inlaw wanted to do in town B, they paid everything and get angpao all lah...town C i tanggung everything la... then you not be too burdened, just like attending event like that, after all only show-off nia, wedding just an event, tho many girls X agree...this you dun have to tell your gf lah, every girl same, what bullSh1t once in lifetime event, all wedding.company.suck3r marketing effect.


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QUOTE(dangerminimouse @ Oct 26 2016, 03:00 PM)
Nowadays how to get one below 1200. Very susah la.

I plan to go lower one, then relative complain say too far. I got to choose a centralize one mah.
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haha...1.4k in PJ considered ok d lo..see your friends and relatives status la, usually PJ ok kot...for me i usually give 2-3xx if i attend, depends on place also, if higher class restaurant, then maybe 400..the most i give 1k so far, that's also becoz inlaw wedding.

one 200 ten persons already 2k, can cover lah...i think seldom ppl give <100 in PJ (at least not my friends) that's too kiamsiap and you may need to consider your friends cycle.

wedding place you like lah, ur wedding bah, as long as u and gf agreed, parents and inlaw okay, then settle. Who cares about relatives/friends talking, can come then come lah, cannot then nvm la...you just need to be firm, if others cant.
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QUOTE(dangerminimouse @ Oct 21 2016, 04:49 PM)
The parents came back from one of the weddings, they heard that in the wedding they received dowry, then they want me to give same dowry amount - market rate.
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what's the market rate for wedding dowry now in 2016?
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post Oct 28 2016, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(dangerminimouse @ Oct 21 2016, 04:55 PM)
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pm me too. i wanna know. curious ..
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post Oct 28 2016, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(briantwj @ Oct 21 2016, 05:06 PM)
Sit down with your gf, talk things thru, tell her ur maximum budget is RMXXXXX. Explain to her, that is ur budget, because u are saving for the future. Tell her the future between u and her is more important. Look at the priorities in the wedding, and go for those that is really needed. Cut on those that both of u think can cut out.

Both side have to give way, both side have to understand from opposite's pov. That's why u need to have a round table talk with your gf. If she can understand u, she is the one. If she can't, and insist wan high cost and all, i'm sorry. Seems like she is not really understanding.

If u can make her on ur side, i believe ur gf can settle ur in law's side.

Good luck bro, wedding is actually easy, just sign the paper. It's both side's parent that is troublesome, want this want that, want to brag.

I really hope i can do travel wedding next time. doh.gif
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Agreed whole heartedly! No need to please anyone, just please your waifu enuff liao tongue.gif biggrin.gif
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post Oct 28 2016, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Oct 21 2016, 06:01 PM)
If I'm your fren I wont even go to your wedding with this kinda attitude.
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Screw that traditional practice.
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post Oct 29 2016, 06:02 AM

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QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Oct 21 2016, 04:56 PM)
Learn from my mistake.

I want to save money for the marriage, ie, for the future after the wedding. My ex-in laws want big money and show off and my ex-wife wanted a show.

I tried to come to a common ground but no success. It was me against her and her family.

Not that I don't have the money but the 50-60k for the 'show' can really help me reduce my housing loan, have back up money after the wedding, live a more comfy life knowing I have back ups in my bank. After the 'show' I have 0 in my account for half a year and I never had that ever since I started working.

Tell your gf. It is either we do it in your budget, or not doing at all. Because of this issue, they became my ex. Well, this is one of the biggest issue which contributed to the break.

After the break, every now and then when I think back, I shouldn't have gone through this. Should have just given up. Find some one who understands you better, work with you as a team, which contributes to the bond as husband and wife. If things are broken before the marriage even started, no point going through the show.

Divorce is expensive man. Don't play play. I wished that some one told me this at that time, or I can travel back in time to slap myself silly to tell myself.
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post Oct 29 2016, 06:03 AM

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Dowry market price is aorund 10k now..
8888 perhaps?
6388 jimat abit lo...

This post has been edited by heavensea: Oct 29 2016, 06:04 AM
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post Oct 29 2016, 09:19 PM

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parents are still stuck with illogical past cultural practices. this is true even for well educated ones as they want to preserve the tradition.

perhaps if you can have some older people from your side to talk with your fiance's parents might do the trick. if you can show them that you have saved the money and will use it for the future with their daughter, perhaps some sense might come in.

also, get close with your future mother in law, normally ladies rule the table on marriage talk. get her on your side and it will be easier to convince the rest too.

hope your marriage will start and maintain happiness forever..
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post Nov 1 2016, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(heavensea @ Oct 29 2016, 06:02 AM)
Mind to share more abt divorce is expensive?
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Cost me the lawyer fees which is cheap. 8k plus. Cost me a house profit is I sell. Which is 300k profit. Cost me die of millions of brain cells when I some how still have argument with ex-wife. Just some how we are still arguing. The most costly thing is the strained feeling that I have on the relationship with my daughter though I get to see her 4 to 5 times a week now.
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QUOTE(lingleeyen @ Nov 1 2016, 09:19 AM)
Cost me the lawyer fees which is cheap. 8k plus. Cost me a house profit is I sell. Which is 300k profit. Cost me die of millions of brain cells when I some how still have argument with ex-wife. Just some how we are still arguing. The most costly thing is the strained feeling that I have on the relationship with my daughter though I get to see her 4 to 5 times a week now.
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sorry to hear that, u guys can't get along or?
just take good care of your child, both of u as parents. smile.gif
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QUOTE(dangerminimouse @ Oct 21 2016, 04:36 PM)
I didn't know marriage can be so expensive.

I only wanted a simple marriage but ended needing to expense for this and that. The in laws want it this way, my family want it another and my fiancée want it this way.

I try to save cost wanting a simple church and banquet but end up it becoming more complex for me. More complex for me is that I try to say it as tactful as I can to save cost, even justify to save money for future as my housing loan is coming up and I don't have a lot of disposable income left.

I think weddings are important but don't want to spend too much on it, as I more eager to invest into marriage than wedding as the wedding profits the photographers, bridal houses and restaurants.

Now I have another new conflict, the dowry. I have totally thought that it was not required afterall I am a Chinese. But now my future in laws are asking for dowry. It became a big issue and they appear not happy with me, because I was thinking of giving presents to them instead of money. This has caused tension between me and my gf.

Sigh, I am not good at communicating with people end up say things I don't mean. But I am finding it tough going to organize a wedding.

I think by the time the wedding is over, the money can buy a pesona. Bye bye $$$. If I don't spend one pesona my gf will be extremely mad at me. Sometime I wish I am born a woman, it so tough being a man.
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you need to make a call. who is spending for wedding ? you ? then take control

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