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QUOTE(Reubs @ Jul 22 2017, 12:29 PM)
Just engaged a draftsman for my renovation in USJ. He said that contractors need to be CIDB registered in order for him to issue the CCC.

Unfortunately for me, the contractor I engaged isn't CIDB registered.

Can anyone recommend a CIDB contractor?

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U can text me for the purpose on that matters. I want to look first before i put the charge. Actually this is the boring part for me.
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QUOTE(jojozep @ Jul 21 2017, 05:17 PM)
Any extensions beyond Aug? Yes
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Yeah. I heard so. Will extent and will more tight in procedure especially ccc. Something will change.
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post Nov 30 2017, 07:52 PM

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If the previous seller dont have cf or ccc for the extension of the house,
Can the new buyer apply for it? How long it takes to get it done usually?
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post Dec 1 2017, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(room2008 @ Nov 30 2017, 07:52 PM)
If the previous seller dont have cf or ccc for the extension of the house,
Can the new buyer apply for it? How long it takes to get it done usually?
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Can, a few weeks to a few months. There's no rush anyway.
Engage an architect or registered building draftman to do submission on your behalf. Remember to check on Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia website to verify their names before you engage one. Avoid those 'runners', their functions are getting lesser and lesser.
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QUOTE(2387581 @ Dec 1 2017, 02:46 PM)
Can, a few weeks to a few months. There's no rush anyway.
Engage an architect or registered building draftman to do submission on your behalf. Remember to check on Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia website to verify their names before you engage one. Avoid those 'runners', their functions are getting lesser and lesser.
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If new buyer apply now, would it kena fine?
Like those 20x ganda of the fine..

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QUOTE(room2008 @ Dec 1 2017, 06:50 PM)
If new buyer apply now, would it kena fine?
Like those 20x ganda of the fine..
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is your area mpsj? if so you can refer to the following:

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Dec 1 2017, 09:21 PM)

is your area mpsj? if so you can refer to the following:

https://ocps.mpsj.gov.my/cms/storage/images.../1/tambahan.jpg 
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This really helpful!
Thanks bro!
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Extended to 2018 aug already?
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do we need constructor chop during apply the CCC? is it the constructor need to be certified by mpsj only can apply for CCC. it will be a problem that if we use indon do the work...
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QUOTE(simpleguyme @ Jan 2 2018, 06:14 PM)
do we need constructor chop during apply the CCC? is it the constructor need to be certified by mpsj only can apply for CCC. it will be a problem that if we use indon do the work...
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i think constructor certified by mpsj is abit over. maybe some sort of certification worldwide but if just limited to mpsj means only contractors under mpsj can do job there become more like a cartel operation.
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post Jan 5 2018, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(simpleguyme @ Jan 2 2018, 06:14 PM)
do we need constructor chop during apply the CCC? is it the constructor need to be certified by mpsj only can apply for CCC. it will be a problem that if we use indon do the work...
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If u do major works...need competent person to sign also aside the professional architect(Ar.)/registerd draughtsman...example plumbing, wiring etc. if the work good enough satisfactorily the Ar. himself can sign off lar
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QUOTE(advocado @ Jan 2 2018, 09:45 PM)
i think constructor certified by mpsj is abit over. maybe some sort of certification worldwide but if just limited to mpsj means only contractors under mpsj can do job there become more like a cartel operation.
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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ Jan 5 2018, 09:57 AM)
If u do major works...need compettent person to sign also aside the professional architect(Ar.)/registerd draughtsman...example plumbing, wiring etc. if the work good enough satisfactorily the Ar. himself can sign off lar
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The main contractor should be registered with CIDB, whereas there are a few trades need to be registered with their respective bodies, for example, sanitary contractor needs to be registered with SPAN, electrical contractor needs to be registered with ST (energy commission), telecom contractor to be registered with MCMC and so on. All the Forms contained inside CCC are to be jointly signed by:
- main contractor and architect
- trade contractor and engineer and architect
- where the form is not applicable, declared so and signed by architect

There is a misconception of MPSJ (or other council) approved/certified consultants.
I wish to highlight to everyone that, under Malaysian law, there are no such thing that an architect or engineer needs to be certified by a local authority council (like MPSJ)
An architect needs to be registered with Board of Architects Malaysia (Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia) and is entitled to submit plans and issue certificates in whole Peninsular Malaysia except Sabah and Sarawak (Sabahan architect can practice in Sabah and Peninsular; Sarawak similar rule)
An engineer needs to be registered with Board of Engineers Malaysia (BEM) and is entitled to submit plans and issue certificates following rules like architect mentioned above.

A LAM-registered building draughtsman, however, needs to be registered with each and every local authority to practice in those areas. But in the latest law, LAM will not have anymore new building draughtsman...wait until this batch of draughtsman cease to practice, the market will only left with architects to deal with buildings.
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QUOTE(2387581 @ Jan 5 2018, 12:58 PM)
The main contractor should be registered with CIDB, whereas there are a few trades need to be registered with their respective bodies, for example, sanitary contractor needs to be registered with SPAN, electrical contractor needs to be registered with ST (energy commission), telecom contractor to be registered with MCMC and so on. All the Forms contained inside CCC are to be jointly signed by:
- main contractor and architect
- trade contractor and engineer and architect
- where the form is not applicable, declared so and signed by architect

There is a misconception of MPSJ (or other council) approved/certified consultants.
I wish to highlight to everyone that, under Malaysian law, there are no such thing that an architect or engineer needs to be certified by a local authority council (like MPSJ)
An architect needs to be registered with Board of Architects Malaysia (Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia) and is entitled to submit plans and issue certificates in whole Peninsular Malaysia except Sabah and Sarawak (Sabahan architect can practice in Sabah and Peninsular; Sarawak similar rule)
An engineer needs to be registered with Board of Engineers Malaysia (BEM) and is entitled to submit plans and issue certificates following rules like architect mentioned above.

A LAM-registered building draughtsman, however, needs to be registered with each and every local authority to practice in those areas. But in the latest law, LAM will not have anymore new building draughtsman...wait until this batch of draughtsman cease to practice, the market will only left with architects to deal with buildings.
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hi, what is trade contractor & engineer?

LAM stands for what? so even simple draughtsman need registered to every local authority... and there will be no future draughtsman? correct me if i'm wrong but draughtsman the more economical way of getting drawings drawn, will now require architects themselves to draw? this rule applies to just residential or any landed buildings in malaysia including factories?
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QUOTE(advocado @ Jan 5 2018, 01:02 PM)
hi, what is trade contractor & engineer?

LAM stands for what? so even simple draughtsman need registered to every local authority... and there will be no future draughtsman? correct me if i'm wrong but draughtsman the more economical way of getting drawings drawn, will now require architects themselves to draw? this rule applies to just residential or any landed buildings in malaysia including factories?
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trade contractors are more commonly known as their job titles, like plumbers, electrician, etc. - usually the main contractor sub the jobs to these, so they are parked under the main contractor's responsibility. The owner and consultants usually do not directly deal with the trade contractors, unless they are nominated contractor (direct contract with owner).

engineers mean primarily 4 types involved in building construction - they are the one who design the systems and structures
- civil engineer (earthworks, road, drainage, sewerage mains, etc)
- structural engineer (structures)
- mechanical engineer (plumbing, internal sewerage)
- electrical engineer (electrical)

LAM - Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia (Board of Architects Malaysia) - it is a governmental body established to enforce the Architects Act, to keep a register of all architects, draughtsman, interior designers, inspector of works, architectural technologists; and to regulate, educate, penalty/punish (in case of offense to the Act).

draughtsman - yes, since no new registration will accepted from 2015 onwards. All draughtsman currently in practice may still renew their registration until they decided to retire. I am not sure why they remove the draughtsman in the latest Architects Act 1967 (2015 amendment). I could come up with many theories but real reason I do not know why. Theoretically your assumption is correct, and applies to all building constructions, but factories, see blow.

factories - some local authorities accept engineers as the principal submitting person (PSP - sign plans and issue CCC), due to the fact that some factories is highly specialised scope, especially oil & gas (like the RAPID project). However, mass factories (like housing estates) still require architects acting as PSP.

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Jan 5 2018, 12:58 PM)
The main contractor should be registered with CIDB, whereas there are a few trades need to be registered with their respective bodies, for example, sanitary contractor needs to be registered with SPAN, electrical contractor needs to be registered with ST (energy commission), telecom contractor to be registered with MCMC and so on. All the Forms contained inside CCC are to be jointly signed by:
- main contractor and architect
- trade contractor and engineer and architect
- where the form is not applicable, declared so and signed by architect

There is a misconception of MPSJ (or other council) approved/certified consultants.
I wish to highlight to everyone that, under Malaysian law, there are no such thing that an architect or engineer needs to be certified by a local authority council (like MPSJ)
An architect needs to be registered with Board of Architects Malaysia (Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia) and is entitled to submit plans and issue certificates in whole Peninsular Malaysia except Sabah and Sarawak (Sabahan architect can practice in Sabah and Peninsular; Sarawak similar rule)
An engineer needs to be registered with Board of Engineers Malaysia (BEM) and is entitled to submit plans and issue certificates following rules like architect mentioned above.

A LAM-registered building draughtsman, however, needs to be registered with each and every local authority to practice in those areas. But in the latest law, LAM will not have anymore new building draughtsman...wait until this batch of draughtsman cease to practice, the market will only left with architects to deal with buildings.
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QUOTE(2387581 @ Jan 5 2018, 02:00 PM)
trade contractors are more commonly known as their job titles, like plumbers, electrician, etc. - usually the main contractor sub the jobs to these, so they are parked under the main contractor's responsibility. The owner and consultants usually do not directly deal with the trade contractors, unless they are nominated contractor (direct contract with owner).

engineers mean primarily 4 types involved in building construction - they are the one who design the systems and structures
- civil engineer (earthworks, road, drainage, sewerage mains, etc)
- structural engineer (structures)
- mechanical engineer (plumbing, internal sewerage)
- electrical engineer (electrical)

LAM - Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia (Board of Architects Malaysia) - it is a governmental body established to enforce the Architects Act, to keep a register of all architects, draughtsman, interior designers, inspector of works, architectural technologists; and to regulate, educate, penalty/punish (in case of offense to the Act).

draughtsman - yes, since no new registration will accepted from 2015 onwards. All draughtsman currently in practice may still renew their registration until they decided to retire. I am not sure why they remove the draughtsman in the latest Architects Act 1967 (2015 amendment). I could come up with many theories but real reason I do not know why. Theoretically your assumption is correct, and applies to all building constructions, but factories, see blow.

factories - some local authorities accept engineers as the principal submitting person (PSP - sign plans and issue CCC), due to the fact that some factories is highly specialised scope, especially oil & gas (like the RAPID project). However, mass factories (like housing estates) still require architects acting as PSP.
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good answers mang...are u an Ar.? or studying for the professional exam..haha thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif


regarding the building draughtsman...they actually killed their profession themselves...selling signatures were rampant (violation of their own code of conduct)..LOL
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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ Jan 5 2018, 03:41 PM)
good answers mang...are u an Ar.? or studying for the professional exam..haha  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
regarding the building draughtsman...they actually killed their profession themselves...selling signatures were rampant (violation of their own code of conduct)..LOL
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i always though draughtsman only can do drawings, they can sign but just to show who drew the drawings in the end still need higher level authorities to approve the drawings?
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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ Jan 5 2018, 03:41 PM)
good answers mang...are u an Ar.? or studying for the professional exam..haha  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
regarding the building draughtsman...they actually killed their profession themselves...selling signatures were rampant (violation of their own code of conduct)..LOL
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haha no Ar yet. Taking exam soon.

QUOTE(advocado @ Jan 5 2018, 08:07 PM)
i always though draughtsman only can do drawings, they can sign but just to show who drew the drawings in the end still need higher level authorities to approve the drawings?
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Yes, registered building draughtsman can submit plans not exceeding 2-storeys in height providing that the total built up floor area does not exceed 300sqm in any project.

it is a very bizarre thing we still cannot comprehend that we still need the local authority to approve drawings. Because it is the principal submitting person (architects, engineers or building draughtsman) who issue CCC. Local authority has no liabilities, all liabilities are borne by the consultants and contractors.

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Jan 5 2018, 10:41 PM)
haha no Ar yet. Taking exam soon.
Yes, registered building draughtsman can submit plans not exceeding 2-storeys in height providing that the total built up floor area does not exceed 300sqm in any project.

it is a very bizarre thing we still cannot comprehend that we still need the local authority to approve drawings. Because it is the principal submitting person (architects, engineers or building draughtsman) who issue CCC. Local authority has no liabilities, all liabilities are borne by the consultants and contractors.
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i though draughtsman only draw drawing following the design, so they can actually submit plans without AR/Engineer signature or stamp if it's within the size limit? so in a way draughtsman also can do some designing?
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QUOTE(advocado @ Jan 5 2018, 11:17 PM)
i though draughtsman only draw drawing following the design, so they can actually submit plans without AR/Engineer signature or stamp if it's within the size limit? so in a way draughtsman also can do some designing?
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Actually they have their own stamp, so they can submit plans, within the limits, and yes, you can say that.
You can find more info here: http://www.lam.gov.my/index.php/registrati...raughtsmen.html

The draftsman you see architecture or engineering offices are hiring nowadays, basically means CAD operator in today's sense. They draw, architects check and sign. But more and more architect's offices I know of they are not looking for draftsman anymore...they prefer architecture graduate because at least they have proper training in building design.

I have met some very experienced draftsman, they are fast and knowledgeable who know what and why they are drawing in such way, so they can actually design; I also have met some draftsman who have absolutely no idea the logic behind drawings...they simply produce the drawings according to the designer's sketches. Some draftsman perhaps only has training in the software but not in building design.
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QUOTE(2387581 @ Jan 5 2018, 11:51 PM)
Actually they have their own stamp, so they can submit plans, within the limits, and yes, you can say that.
You can find more info here: http://www.lam.gov.my/index.php/registrati...raughtsmen.html

The draftsman you see architecture or engineering offices are hiring nowadays, basically means CAD operator in today's sense. They draw, architects check and sign. But more and more architect's offices I know of they are not looking for draftsman anymore...they prefer architecture graduate because at least they have proper training in building design.

I have met some very experienced draftsman, they are fast and knowledgeable who know what and why they are drawing in such way, so they can actually design; I also have met some draftsman who have absolutely no idea the logic behind drawings...they simply produce the drawings according to the designer's sketches. Some draftsman perhaps only has training in the software but not in building design.
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ic, seems draftsman has different definition in different industries.

i always think draftsman just follow design and draw into 2D drawings that is all. and from what i know draftsman salary are lower than graduates and doesn't always require a degree certificate. that is why it's more economical for engineering offices to hire draftsman to do drawings instead of graduates whom mostly do design.

the draftsman you talk about, do they require some sort of minimum education qualification? in fact i don't even know for qualified technicians do they need to have at least some diploma or as long they have exp and can past the test they get certified?

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