OK. agreed with you.
Kao tim this time then forever no need to worry.

Guys, what will happen if I purchase a house in MPSJ's area? The house got no CCC by the previous owner and what can I do about that?

Say I really manage to nego down the price because the house doesn't come with CCC, do you know what should I do to legalise it subsequently?

I am working in the profession, and I feel compelled to reply to this, although this might be a little late for some, but still.
In addition to the info aeiou228 has shared, I would like to add.
Many people like to think the existence of architects and other professions within the building construction industry are to get money out of your pocket.
What they don't understand is that these laws pertaining to the built environment, are meant more to protect interest of the public by regulating what can be done and what cannot be done.
What they can't see is the value behind the price tag. An architect's certification is basically, in layman terms, a lifetime guarantee of health and safety to the building you are occupying, at least that is true in Malaysia.
It is sometime puzzling to us within the profession why someone can spend thousands to get a designer bag, yet wouldn't want to remunerate the professional who is responsible for the health and safety of your house. (Let's not even talk about the infamous bad debt in the construction industry)
Typically, for a renovation done without applying for permit, in any case when you need to present your CCC, and you can't, then that is the beginning of another long process.
For information and education purposes, see below for the CCC process.
These are all stipulated in the Street, Drainage and Building Act 1974 (Act 133) and Uniform Building By-Laws 1984

See the Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia's Circular No. 1/2008 on CCC which outlines the process of delivering building construction permit up to issuance of CCC
http://www.lam.gov.my/index.php/circulars/...s.html?start=10

There are 21 Forms (Borang G1-G21) to be completed for any new projects.

For renovation projects however, only the involved parts needs to be filled in, likely but not limited to Form G4-G7 and G12, depending on the scope of your projects. Other than that, the PSP will certify that the particular forms are not related, but still need to submit.
These forms are designed to suit any scale of projects, from kitchen renovation to 100 storey mega structures, the forms are the same.
It is a process involving professional consultant's certification, invitation and arrangement of the relevant technical departments (internal for example Jabatan Kawalan Bangunan, Jabatan Kejuruteraan, Jabatan Pengairan dan Saliran, etc.; external for example Bomba, TNB, IWK, Syabas, etc.) to do inspection.
For most homeowners who cannot comprehend why you think the cost of engaging an architect to produce the CCC is high, there are so many background works that you couldn't even imagine how complicated and sometimes difficult to deal with, the long hours involved, as well as the long time frame to make things happen, this is it.
This is a misconception regarding "an authority approved architect" or "panel architect".
There is no laws permitting this, as any architect registered with Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia (LAM) is qualified to submit plans to any local authority within Peninsular Malaysia.
If you need to find any architect, you can refer to the LAM website, they have a database of registered architect with contact details.
A good tip to any person approaching an architect, it is good to request the architect to present their LAM registration certificate, and get their LAM registration number.
You can then look up from the website, or even call LAM to check up on a certain architect to make sure they are registered.
Link to LAM database: http://portal.lam.gov.my/website_member_list.php?gtype=pa
This is because architecture as a profession is highly regulated in Malaysia, if any architect are doing any sketchy thing, you can complain/report to LAM and there will be actions taken.
More details you can refer to Architect's Act 1967 (Act 117) at http://www.lam.gov.my/index.php/act-rules.html
According to the law, any type of building works needs to obtain CCC. For projects involving structural (re)construction, the owner will need to engage a structural engineer to do their relevant plan submission to the local authority to get approval. But for any project, there is only 1 CCC. The approvals/permits obtained by engineers will form as part of the CCC.
For example, concerning the structural parts of the project only, the main contractor and the structural engineer will need to sign Borang G4. See example below
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As you can see, this form is only valid if your contractor is registered with CIDB. Please make sure your contractor is registered with CIDB before engaging them to do your building works.
Ask them to produce to you a copy of their CIDB registration certificate, and similar to the above regarding architects, you can look up their registration details on CIDB website.
If your main con is not CIDB registered, turn around and never look back.
This is a somewhat controversial issue that is a topic of constant discussion within the profession.
The main purpose of establishing the CCC system is towards a self-regulatory and self-certification system.
Under the CCC procedure, basically all liability are to be borne by the consultants (architects, civil & structural engineers, mechanical & electrical engineers, etc. - those who endorse the Borang G1-G21)
yet for some reason the local authority still needs to approve the plan.

do we need constructor chop during apply the CCC? is it the constructor need to be certified by mpsj only can apply for CCC. it will be a problem that if we use indon do the work...

The main contractor should be registered with CIDB, whereas there are a few trades need to be registered with their respective bodies, for example, sanitary contractor needs to be registered with SPAN, electrical contractor needs to be registered with ST (energy commission), telecom contractor to be registered with MCMC and so on. All the Forms contained inside CCC are to be jointly signed by:
- main contractor and architect
- trade contractor and engineer and architect
- where the form is not applicable, declared so and signed by architect

There is a misconception of MPSJ (or other council) approved/certified consultants.
I wish to highlight to everyone that, under Malaysian law, there are no such thing that an architect or engineer needs to be certified by a local authority council (like MPSJ)
An architect needs to be registered with Board of Architects Malaysia (Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia) and is entitled to submit plans and issue certificates in whole Peninsular Malaysia except Sabah and Sarawak (Sabahan architect can practice in Sabah and Peninsular; Sarawak similar rule)
An engineer needs to be registered with Board of Engineers Malaysia (BEM) and is entitled to submit plans and issue certificates following rules like architect mentioned above.

A LAM-registered building draughtsman, however, needs to be registered with each and every local authority to practice in those areas. But in the latest law, LAM will not have anymore new building draughtsman...wait until this batch of draughtsman cease to practice, the market will only left with architects to deal with buildings.

trade contractors are more commonly known as their job titles, like plumbers, electrician, etc. - usually the main contractor sub the jobs to these, so they are parked under the main contractor's responsibility. The owner and consultants usually do not directly deal with the trade contractors, unless they are nominated contractor (direct contract with owner).

engineers mean primarily 4 types involved in building construction - they are the one who design the systems and structures
- civil engineer (earthworks, road, drainage, sewerage mains, etc)
- structural engineer (structures)
- mechanical engineer (plumbing, internal sewerage)
- electrical engineer (electrical)

LAM - Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia (Board of Architects Malaysia) - it is a governmental body established to enforce the Architects Act, to keep a register of all architects, draughtsman, interior designers, inspector of works, architectural technologists; and to regulate, educate, penalty/punish (in case of offense to the Act).

draughtsman - yes, since no new registration will accepted from 2015 onwards. All draughtsman currently in practice may still renew their registration until they decided to retire. I am not sure why they remove the draughtsman in the latest Architects Act 1967 (2015 amendment). I could come up with many theories but real reason I do not know why. Theoretically your assumption is correct, and applies to all building constructions, but factories, see blow.

factories - some local authorities accept engineers as the principal submitting person (PSP - sign plans and issue CCC), due to the fact that some factories is highly specialised scope, especially oil & gas (like the RAPID project). However, mass factories (like housing estates) still require architects acting as PSP.

haha no Ar yet. Taking exam soon.
Yes, registered building draughtsman can submit plans not exceeding 2-storeys in height providing that the total built up floor area does not exceed 300sqm in any project.

it is a very bizarre thing we still cannot comprehend that we still need the local authority to approve drawings. Because it is the principal submitting person (architects, engineers or building draughtsman) who issue CCC. Local authority has no liabilities, all liabilities are borne by the consultants and contractors.

https://ocps.mpsj.gov.my/cms/documentstorag...%20Kediaman.pdf

As the owner of the premise, can I sign this "PERAKUAN SETUJU TERIMA TANGGUNGJAWAB SIAP BINA
TAMBAHAN DAN UBAHSUAI RUMAH KEDIAMAN" letter? Or is this letter sign by an architect?

TQ

i always though draughtsman only can do drawings, they can sign but just to show who drew the drawings in the end still need higher level authorities to approve the drawings?

Hi,

I have a scenario here, the plan submission by architect and renovation works is done 2 years ago. During a CCC application, architect mentioned that the Borang G need CIDB registered contractor to sign.

I got 2 questions here;

1. For the Borang G, under the contractor portion, can I write owner's name and owner's IC no. said that the owner monitored the renovation works. Why I ask like this is because :
   
    a. The form have a statement somewhere mentioned "mengawasi" and "menerima tanggungjawab sepenuhnya". So can i said that the owner monitored the
        renovation works and fully responsible for the renovation works himself.

          *1. Kami memperakui bahawa  kami telahmengawasi dan/atau menjalankan  pembinaan dan penyiapan kerja-kerja bangunan dan
          bahawa sepanjang pengetahuan  dan  kepercayaan  kami  kerja-kerja  itu adalah mengikut pelan yang diluluskan No.  Ruj.:……………………………… dan bahawa
          kami menerima tanggungjawab sepenuhnya ke atas pembinaan dan penyiapan kerja-kerja bangunan itu.

    b. At the bottom of the form, there have a note  "#    No.K.P., jika tiada badan yang  berkaitan berkenaan dengan pendaftaran". Mean's that there are an
        option to write in someone's name that are not registered with CIDB / Suruhanjaya Tenaga / etc. Furthermore, what if the owner itself is a contractor of a
        trade but not related to the renovation and the owner himself have the CIDB registered but not his company.
2. For the CIDB registered contractor to sign the Borang G, is there any rules or regulations to said that the  contractor must be a registered CIDB contractor under
    the related trade. Because i know that the CIDB registered contractor have different greds and categories. Let's say the contractor is registered to CIDB under
    electrical categories, can he sign all the Borang G form even for civil work ? Can we say that the owner engage the electrical contractor to do the whole renovation
    works ? Of cause, the electrical contractor will not able to do the civil works, but they sub-contract to someone else who can. 

Hope someone can help give advice..