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2387581
post Jan 6 2018, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jan 6 2018, 12:09 AM)
ic, seems draftsman has different definition in different industries.

i always think draftsman just follow design and draw into 2D drawings that is all. and from what i know draftsman salary are lower than graduates and doesn't always require a degree certificate. that is why it's more economical for engineering offices to hire draftsman to do drawings instead of graduates whom mostly do design.

the draftsman you talk about, do they require some sort of minimum education qualification? in fact i don't even know for qualified technicians do they need to have at least some diploma or as long they have exp and can past the test they get certified?
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post Jan 6 2018, 08:10 PM

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https://ocps.mpsj.gov.my/cms/documentstorag...%20Kediaman.pdf

As the owner of the premise, can I sign this "PERAKUAN SETUJU TERIMA TANGGUNGJAWAB SIAP BINA
TAMBAHAN DAN UBAHSUAI RUMAH KEDIAMAN" letter? Or is this letter sign by an architect?

TQ
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post Jan 6 2018, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(giko @ Jan 6 2018, 08:10 PM)
https://ocps.mpsj.gov.my/cms/documentstorag...%20Kediaman.pdf

As the owner of the premise, can I sign this "PERAKUAN SETUJU TERIMA TANGGUNGJAWAB SIAP BINA
TAMBAHAN DAN UBAHSUAI RUMAH KEDIAMAN" letter? Or is this letter sign by an architect?

TQ
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don't think you can. if can then no need architech anymore.
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post Jan 7 2018, 01:38 AM

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QUOTE(giko @ Jan 6 2018, 08:10 PM)
https://ocps.mpsj.gov.my/cms/documentstorag...%20Kediaman.pdf

As the owner of the premise, can I sign this "PERAKUAN SETUJU TERIMA TANGGUNGJAWAB SIAP BINA
TAMBAHAN DAN UBAHSUAI RUMAH KEDIAMAN" letter? Or is this letter sign by an architect?

TQ
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Yes you can. Only owner can sign this one, while need to get witness signature (by commissioner of oath/magistrate/section court judge)
That is the extent I can gauge from the content of the file, but I do not know what this is ultimately for.
My guess is that this is a special provision for those illegal renovations (done before 1 June 2014) and now they are applying for approvals and CCC.
Because the under the CCC system, some forms needs to be signed by CIDB-registered contractors. But most if not all those illegal renovations are done by non-CIDB-registered contractors or it has been too long, lost contact, etc. So as the owner you have to declare that the works are done according to the approved plans (which are approved post-construction).
My guess is that this letter will replace some forms under the CCC, and will be attached alongside the Borang F; whereby the Borang F can only be issued by architect or registered building draughtsman, whom is the one who did the submission for your house under this special program.

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post Jan 7 2018, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Jan 7 2018, 01:38 AM)
Yes you can. Only owner can sign this one, while need to get witness signature (by commissioner of oath/magistrate/section court judge)
That is the extent I can gauge from the content of the file, but I do not know what this is ultimately for.
My guess is that this is a special provision for those illegal renovations (done before 1 June 2014) and now they are applying for approvals and CCC.
Because the under the CCC system, some forms needs to be signed by CIDB-registered contractors. But most if not all those illegal renovations are done by non-CIDB-registered contractors or it has been too long, lost contact, etc. So as the owner you have to declare that the works are done according to the approved plans (which are approved post-construction).
My guess is that this letter will replace some forms under the CCC, and will be attached alongside the Borang F; whereby the Borang F can only be issued by architect or registered building draughtsman, whom is the one who did the submission for your house under this special program.
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even if the contacts are lost, wouldn't it make more sense that they require an active registered architect to do a site survey to ensure most works has been done according to the previous approved drawings? well, if no approved drawings the architect should be able to tell whether it's proper or not. they can't see the insides though. because with just owner's signature it's highly unreliable if the works done poses danger.
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post Jan 7 2018, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Jan 7 2018, 01:38 AM)
Yes you can. Only owner can sign this one, while need to get witness signature (by commissioner of oath/magistrate/section court judge)
That is the extent I can gauge from the content of the file, but I do not know what this is ultimately for.
My guess is that this is a special provision for those illegal renovations (done before 1 June 2014) and now they are applying for approvals and CCC.
Because the under the CCC system, some forms needs to be signed by CIDB-registered contractors. But most if not all those illegal renovations are done by non-CIDB-registered contractors or it has been too long, lost contact, etc. So as the owner you have to declare that the works are done according to the approved plans (which are approved post-construction).
My guess is that this letter will replace some forms under the CCC, and will be attached alongside the Borang F; whereby the Borang F can only be issued by architect or registered building draughtsman, whom is the one who did the submission for your house under this special program.
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Thanks for the reply.

Will contact a draughtsman tmr. Will update the forum.

BTW, the MPSJ list of draughtsman is here:- https://ocps.mpsj.gov.my/storage/documents/...20Berdaftar.pdf
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post Jan 8 2018, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Jan 5 2018, 10:41 PM)
haha no Ar yet. Taking exam soon.
Yes, registered building draughtsman can submit plans not exceeding 2-storeys in height providing that the total built up floor area does not exceed 300sqm in any project.

it is a very bizarre thing we still cannot comprehend that we still need the local authority to approve drawings. Because it is the principal submitting person (architects, engineers or building draughtsman) who issue CCC. Local authority has no liabilities, all liabilities are borne by the consultants and contractors.
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good luck bro..dont overcomplicate your answers. answer straight to the point ya. haha. all the best
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post Jan 8 2018, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(giko @ Jan 6 2018, 08:10 PM)
https://ocps.mpsj.gov.my/cms/documentstorag...%20Kediaman.pdf

As the owner of the premise, can I sign this "PERAKUAN SETUJU TERIMA TANGGUNGJAWAB SIAP BINA
TAMBAHAN DAN UBAHSUAI RUMAH KEDIAMAN" letter? Or is this letter sign by an architect?

TQ
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this letter signed by you. but where do you get the item on number 2? surat kelulusan pelan bangunan. that one has to be submitted either by registered building draughtsman/professional architect.

after pbt approved then only can get the no. rujukan.
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post Jan 8 2018, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jan 5 2018, 08:07 PM)
i always though draughtsman only can do drawings, they can sign but just to show who drew the drawings in the end still need higher level authorities to approve the drawings?
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this one different.

Registered Building Draughtsman. it is like a professional draughtsman. not some chapalang drafter with spm.

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post Jan 29 2018, 07:51 PM

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my architect still not settle the ccc for me and i am quite worry about it now. i paid rm3k so far and he draw the plan and submit to mpsj, mpsj auto send letter saman me for rm12.5K. architect paid rm500 settle for me, and architect asked me sign some ccc paper. he said he submitted the ccc since end of dec, but so far no news from him, feel like he keep delaying the process, any thought?
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post Jan 30 2018, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Jan 29 2018, 07:51 PM)
my architect still not settle the ccc for me and i am quite worry about it now. i paid rm3k so far and he draw the plan and submit to mpsj, mpsj auto send letter saman me for rm12.5K. architect paid rm500 settle for me, and architect asked me sign some ccc paper. he said he submitted the ccc since end of dec, but so far no news from him, feel like he keep delaying the process, any thought?
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Ok follow up by this.
My architect said that he already redraw and re-submit the plan next year JUN 2017. And then MPSJ already approve it.
And he said there is no deadline for doing the CCC.

I personally don't trust him, so i go to MPSJ and ask them verify for me.
MPSJ staff said, the architect did submit the plan at JUN 2017, and the plan has approved.
the 31 Aug 2018 deadline is for plan submission approval.
MPSJ staff also confirmed that CCC has no deadline, and will issued by architect.

OK so at least i pang sim bit.
The ccc might not be a cert, it is a borang F (Sijil Pergesahan Menduduki).

This post has been edited by sovietmah: Jan 30 2018, 01:35 PM
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post Feb 28 2018, 09:55 AM

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After u've got Mpsj building plan approval u need to ask architect to come inspection for ccc. Yes, u need to sign G Form as a ccc documents. Also akujanji letter siap kerja renovation (need to commisioner oath by ur own self).
After architect submit ur ccc application, there will be 3 month time estimate for architect to hand over u ccc certificate. . Why 3 month and too long? Coz Mpsj will come inspection and for the time being so many hundred houses especially teres house submitted for ccc.
Architect never or hard willing to surrender ur ccc certificate coz any incompliance plan on site will cc to Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia and this will make their names bad reputation or worse happen blaclist under Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia.
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I have been given 2 choice by MPSJ directly due to renovation requirement for a house.

1. Draw as per requirement which is extended until 5ft from the rear wall and build near as per drawing and receive CCC.

2. Draw as per requirement which is extended until 5ft from the rear wall and build not following drawing and possible not receiving CCC.

If I would take choice 2, may i know the implicant other than not receiving CCC?

If there is fine, what is the approximate of the fine value?

TIA

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post Mar 12 2018, 12:34 PM

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Guys, here's my situation.

Draftsman has already sent me the drawings, signed and got the commissioner to chop and all.

Recently got a call from an engineer who says that needs his approval as well. I find that strange cos we didn't do anything for 1st floor. All works was for G floor only (extend front and back by 5ft each)

Is the engineer approval legit?
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post Mar 13 2018, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(halfDi @ Feb 28 2018, 09:55 AM)
After u've got Mpsj building plan approval u need to ask architect to come inspection for ccc. Yes, u need to sign G Form as a ccc documents. Also akujanji letter siap kerja renovation (need to commisioner oath by ur own self).
After architect submit ur ccc application, there will be 3 month time estimate for architect to hand over u ccc certificate. . Why 3 month and too long? Coz Mpsj will come inspection and for the time being so many hundred houses especially teres house submitted for ccc.
Architect never or hard willing to surrender ur ccc certificate coz any incompliance plan on site will cc to Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia and this will make their names bad reputation or worse happen blaclist under Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia.
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Thanks.
I got my CCC borang F last week already.
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post May 14 2018, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(shauno @ Mar 12 2018, 12:34 PM)
Guys, here's my situation.

Draftsman has already sent me the drawings, signed and got the commissioner to chop and all.

Recently got a call from an engineer who says that needs his approval as well. I find that strange cos we didn't do anything for 1st floor. All works was for G floor only (extend front and back by 5ft each)

Is the engineer approval legit?
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Any updates? How much for draftman and how much for engineer?
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post May 14 2018, 02:31 PM

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Can someone recommend a good registered draftman who can submit for me? My previous architect wants a lot of money to continue to get the ccc for me. Just want an honest one.
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post May 14 2018, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ May 13 2017, 04:59 PM)
No, it is possible to do so.
Sometimes client-consultant relationship turns sour, sometimes the architect might be incapacitated to perform his duty, lots of possibilities. As long as the client has fully settled the account with (paid) architect 'A', and architect 'A' has subsequently issued a release letter to the client and also informed the local authority.
The client may then engage another architect 'B' to carry on with the project, with prior approval from the local authority.

For small projects like small home renovation, in my personal opinion, is simply not worth to do this. You could be penny wise pound foolish. It will most likely consume your time and energy and probably more money to do so, and in the process drag the project completion time late.
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I think my case is like this. In 2011, my non CIDB developer made RC roof instead of normal roof and added an extra room upstairs. So my architect supposed to issue CCC but cannot and say need engineer and so on.
Is my option to redraw the plans with this change and need to go thru this architect? It is only a small redraw and then resubmit for ccc. We dont agree on the charge and he know I cannot go to another architect.

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post May 14 2018, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(jojozep @ May 14 2018, 02:08 PM)
Any updates? How much for draftman and how much for engineer?
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OK this one was cos of a mis-communication between me and the draftsman. All good now smile.gif
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post May 14 2018, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(shauno @ May 14 2018, 04:20 PM)
OK this one was cos of a mis-communication between me and the draftsman. All good now smile.gif
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