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post Jan 2 2018, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(simpleguyme @ Jan 2 2018, 06:14 PM)
do we need constructor chop during apply the CCC? is it the constructor need to be certified by mpsj only can apply for CCC. it will be a problem that if we use indon do the work...
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i think constructor certified by mpsj is abit over. maybe some sort of certification worldwide but if just limited to mpsj means only contractors under mpsj can do job there become more like a cartel operation.
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post Jan 5 2018, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Jan 5 2018, 12:58 PM)
The main contractor should be registered with CIDB, whereas there are a few trades need to be registered with their respective bodies, for example, sanitary contractor needs to be registered with SPAN, electrical contractor needs to be registered with ST (energy commission), telecom contractor to be registered with MCMC and so on. All the Forms contained inside CCC are to be jointly signed by:
- main contractor and architect
- trade contractor and engineer and architect
- where the form is not applicable, declared so and signed by architect

There is a misconception of MPSJ (or other council) approved/certified consultants.
I wish to highlight to everyone that, under Malaysian law, there are no such thing that an architect or engineer needs to be certified by a local authority council (like MPSJ)
An architect needs to be registered with Board of Architects Malaysia (Lembaga Arkitek Malaysia) and is entitled to submit plans and issue certificates in whole Peninsular Malaysia except Sabah and Sarawak (Sabahan architect can practice in Sabah and Peninsular; Sarawak similar rule)
An engineer needs to be registered with Board of Engineers Malaysia (BEM) and is entitled to submit plans and issue certificates following rules like architect mentioned above.

A LAM-registered building draughtsman, however, needs to be registered with each and every local authority to practice in those areas. But in the latest law, LAM will not have anymore new building draughtsman...wait until this batch of draughtsman cease to practice, the market will only left with architects to deal with buildings.
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hi, what is trade contractor & engineer?

LAM stands for what? so even simple draughtsman need registered to every local authority... and there will be no future draughtsman? correct me if i'm wrong but draughtsman the more economical way of getting drawings drawn, will now require architects themselves to draw? this rule applies to just residential or any landed buildings in malaysia including factories?
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post Jan 5 2018, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(shadow_walker @ Jan 5 2018, 03:41 PM)
good answers mang...are u an Ar.? or studying for the professional exam..haha  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
regarding the building draughtsman...they actually killed their profession themselves...selling signatures were rampant (violation of their own code of conduct)..LOL
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i always though draughtsman only can do drawings, they can sign but just to show who drew the drawings in the end still need higher level authorities to approve the drawings?
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post Jan 5 2018, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Jan 5 2018, 10:41 PM)
haha no Ar yet. Taking exam soon.
Yes, registered building draughtsman can submit plans not exceeding 2-storeys in height providing that the total built up floor area does not exceed 300sqm in any project.

it is a very bizarre thing we still cannot comprehend that we still need the local authority to approve drawings. Because it is the principal submitting person (architects, engineers or building draughtsman) who issue CCC. Local authority has no liabilities, all liabilities are borne by the consultants and contractors.
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i though draughtsman only draw drawing following the design, so they can actually submit plans without AR/Engineer signature or stamp if it's within the size limit? so in a way draughtsman also can do some designing?
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post Jan 6 2018, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Jan 5 2018, 11:51 PM)
Actually they have their own stamp, so they can submit plans, within the limits, and yes, you can say that.
You can find more info here: http://www.lam.gov.my/index.php/registrati...raughtsmen.html

The draftsman you see architecture or engineering offices are hiring nowadays, basically means CAD operator in today's sense. They draw, architects check and sign. But more and more architect's offices I know of they are not looking for draftsman anymore...they prefer architecture graduate because at least they have proper training in building design.

I have met some very experienced draftsman, they are fast and knowledgeable who know what and why they are drawing in such way, so they can actually design; I also have met some draftsman who have absolutely no idea the logic behind drawings...they simply produce the drawings according to the designer's sketches. Some draftsman perhaps only has training in the software but not in building design.
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ic, seems draftsman has different definition in different industries.

i always think draftsman just follow design and draw into 2D drawings that is all. and from what i know draftsman salary are lower than graduates and doesn't always require a degree certificate. that is why it's more economical for engineering offices to hire draftsman to do drawings instead of graduates whom mostly do design.

the draftsman you talk about, do they require some sort of minimum education qualification? in fact i don't even know for qualified technicians do they need to have at least some diploma or as long they have exp and can past the test they get certified?
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post Jan 6 2018, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(giko @ Jan 6 2018, 08:10 PM)
https://ocps.mpsj.gov.my/cms/documentstorag...%20Kediaman.pdf

As the owner of the premise, can I sign this "PERAKUAN SETUJU TERIMA TANGGUNGJAWAB SIAP BINA
TAMBAHAN DAN UBAHSUAI RUMAH KEDIAMAN" letter? Or is this letter sign by an architect?

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don't think you can. if can then no need architech anymore.
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post Jan 7 2018, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Jan 7 2018, 01:38 AM)
Yes you can. Only owner can sign this one, while need to get witness signature (by commissioner of oath/magistrate/section court judge)
That is the extent I can gauge from the content of the file, but I do not know what this is ultimately for.
My guess is that this is a special provision for those illegal renovations (done before 1 June 2014) and now they are applying for approvals and CCC.
Because the under the CCC system, some forms needs to be signed by CIDB-registered contractors. But most if not all those illegal renovations are done by non-CIDB-registered contractors or it has been too long, lost contact, etc. So as the owner you have to declare that the works are done according to the approved plans (which are approved post-construction).
My guess is that this letter will replace some forms under the CCC, and will be attached alongside the Borang F; whereby the Borang F can only be issued by architect or registered building draughtsman, whom is the one who did the submission for your house under this special program.
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even if the contacts are lost, wouldn't it make more sense that they require an active registered architect to do a site survey to ensure most works has been done according to the previous approved drawings? well, if no approved drawings the architect should be able to tell whether it's proper or not. they can't see the insides though. because with just owner's signature it's highly unreliable if the works done poses danger.

 

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