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 Fundsupermart.com v15, 基金超市第十五章 - Rise the Dragon

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post Sep 25 2016, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(1tanmee @ Sep 25 2016, 10:39 PM)
The funds switching, is only within the provider (e.g. kenanga-->kenanga), or can i switch to another provider (e.g. kenanga --> cimb)?
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kenanga -> kenanga = intra switch. usually no charge.

kenanga -> cimb = inter switch.

charges can be checked with switch calculator @ fsm
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post Sep 26 2016, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 25 2016, 08:56 PM)
it is nothing legally wrong ...just that morally "not that" open market like"....unlike real open mkt UTs
also can refer to page@ 29 post# 575 about fairness........
also blue chips stock can see the mkt prices...
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when u buy ASX you follow their rules, fair or not, ASX never forces u to buy,
infact you dont wanna buy they are more than happy.
I belip the rate so high is mainly to help the bumis.. as nonbumis if u dont wanna benefit there they are more happy.

when you buy FSM UTs, u follow FSM rules, where got such thing fair or not fair.
Make money or lose money we cannot cry not fair

QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Sep 25 2016, 09:03 PM)
Take a look at the image below. There are on it six UTFs (sorry not ten) that are Malaysia centric balanced fund with 10 years consistent CAGR of above 10% per annum. The UTF's corresponding volatility aka Std-Dev is on the far right column. The Std-Dev ranges from high 11.22% (RHB Income & Growth Focus UTF) to the lower Affin-Hwang Select Balanced Fund (4.68%).

If I were to participate in the listed UTF below, guess which one would I participate in? Why bother with the median? In reality are you going to participate in all the balanced fund and expect to get the median?

A savvy investor would want to ride on the winning horse, not on all the horses. Do not be overly obsessed with Pokémon Go and its tag line: "Gotta catch em all".

Riversand, There will not be any Std-Dev for ASX FP UTF or if there is, they are negligible compared to normal UTF as ASX FP UTF's NAV remained fixed.



From your attached image, the balance funds shown "red colors" for short term 3-9 months period, although its long-term average return is 10% p.a. over 10 years. Despite the higher return for balance funds in LONG Run, perhaps below are the logics of why people still favors ASX are because:

1) No service charge compared to UT with 0,57% to 2% SC. ASX dividend also tax exempted.

2) Liquidity is assured. Some treat ASX as high dividend Saving account, you can withdraw immediately from few thousands of agents banks, compared to UT withdrawal of T+3 or T+5, some funds impose exit fees if resell within a year. So ASX is good for both short / long term investment.

3) when you apply loan, banks take 100% of ASx balance as personal net worth (compared to 50% to 70% for UT), banks also take in ASX's annual dividend 100%, and include it in individuals' annual income, as the 6.x% dividend is consistent.

Having said that there are some drawbacks of ASx, as what you mentioned, lack of transparency on reserve and no excitement/ boring.
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but to highlight only top performers from FSM to challenge ASX's 6.5% return is rather misleading.
investors must be warned many more FSM UTs are giving very poor or negative returns.


Worse still i dont see those 6 top performers in most of u guys's portfolio.
i wonder why that is so.

Yeah liquidity is key if we worry ASx reserves down, one day will pay poor rate, just liquidate and cash out.


QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 25 2016, 09:06 PM)
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Like this sure win liao lor!

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But but but once sell.... want to enter again manyak susah wor. Have to drive to many bank branches to hunt for available units. Just like playing Pokemon Go. "Gotta catch em all!"

Xuzen
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actually not that difficult to buy. considering many are so allergic to it treat it like kucing kurap...
Actually i dont understand why u guys are so against those ASX people like Ram.
People wanna play safe ma, not everyone can take risk in lose money and no sweat also.

No one investment is 100% safe, to worry about the ASX reserves drying up is same
like FSM UT buyers worry FSM one day cant pay when people wanna sell.


QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 25 2016, 09:09 PM)
but when u invest in a stock you are entitled to its MARKET VALUE which usually is higher than its NAV. With FP ASx u don't. That's different.
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How to compare stocks to Fixed income vehicle?. Stocks can kill u and stocks can also bring people to heaven
ASX are all fully grounded on earth, rather safe and steady.

Best is to invest in all and then enjoy the bests of both worlds.



QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 25 2016, 09:55 PM)
Actually, xuzen, I would like to correct you on this. People with priority banking, just drop book at counter whenever want to topup. Collect the book at the end of the day. Done. Targeted amount achieved. Once a month 5 figure also no problem. Let's not talk about priority banking (not everyone have one). Even some banks let you drop book at the counter IF you are a regular face and not a PB (personal exp - which I never use)

And as cheahcw2003 said, high liquidity. Want to withdraw 6/7 figure one shot > SA also no problem. On the spot. So is actually a perfect parking spot especially for PB customers + bumi as intended target to topup again is easily achievable. *see reasons on top*

But this is OT. (now waiting to kena report for stating the truth) yawn.gif
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giving facts cannot be reported la.


This post has been edited by guy3288: Sep 26 2016, 02:34 PM
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post Sep 26 2016, 01:17 AM

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Try getting the quoting right, especially when you quoting numerous people.
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Genneva gold scheme as with most other MLMs was legally and morally wrong, and had investors kept pouring in without slowing down, the scheme would have kept running profitably. U don't go join? whistling.gif

NOT FAIR IS NOT FAIR. I believe in supporting fair products and companies, and may even pay more for their products. I want to do my part in making the world a better place.
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post Sep 26 2016, 07:11 AM

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My CIMB Global Titans is performing poorly over the past 1 year, should I sell and change UT funds? Any suggestions of equity funds which are performing now? Thanks
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QUOTE(afdhal_89 @ Sep 26 2016, 07:11 AM)
My CIMB Global Titans is performing poorly over the past 1 year, should I sell and change UT funds? Any suggestions of equity funds which are performing now? Thanks
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This is one of the recommended fund wor. While you consider moving out, you see there are people going into it now.

Maybe can consider switching to cimb principle Asia Pacific dynamic income fund.

Is this an intra switch ?

This post has been edited by puchongite: Sep 26 2016, 07:58 AM
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QUOTE(afdhal_89 @ Sep 26 2016, 07:11 AM)
My CIMB Global Titans is performing poorly over the past 1 year, should I sell and change UT funds? Any suggestions of equity funds which are performing now? Thanks
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Markets, mutual funds, or even individual stocks do not go up in a straight line, they all go thru ups and downs, though in the LONG RUN due to inflation and growth we expect well-managed ones to go up.

1 year is SHORT TERM in the context of investment. If u cannot stomach short-term losses or even slow growth, investments are not for u.

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jul 9 2015, 10:10 AM)
My personal experience in investing in unit trusts:-

1.  We invest in unit trusts using spare cash. We have back up emergency funds of at least 3-6 months. No bad debts e.g. credit card debts.

2.  Long term investment horizon of at least 2-3 years. This will even out the market fluctuation.

3.  We cannot time the market. Therefore we have to do DCA or VCA and do portfolio rebalancing from time to time.

If we cannot satisfy the above requirements, it is best to stay away from unit trust investments or any other investments for that matter. Unit trust investments is not a capital guaranteed get rich quick scheme. There are risks involved.
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I would say 5 years is a better investment horizon.

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post Sep 26 2016, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(afdhal_89 @ Sep 26 2016, 07:11 AM)
My CIMB Global Titans is performing poorly over the past 1 year, should I sell and change UT funds? Any suggestions of equity funds which are performing now? Thanks
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one should understand why CIMB global titans is (in your words) performing poorly before making other decisions. if i'm not mistaken, the US market has been sideways since you bought it, based on the index on Dow Jones and S&P 500.

i once read an article about not chasing fund performance, it makes sense, but of course it still depends on the market (that we cannot predict).

It explains that the current fund that you are saying performing badly may be so because of the market cycle, what goes up must come down, and you bought it while it was on the way down.

Whereas, if you decide to switch out from current fund to another fund currently performing well, you may be worse off. The new fund which may have already had a good rally, may not continue the rally in the short term. So, it may be that you repeat the same mistake you made previously, which is buying on the high side, and selling it low.

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QUOTE(afdhal_89 @ Sep 26 2016, 07:11 AM)
My CIMB Global Titans is performing poorly over the past 1 year, should I sell and change UT funds? Any suggestions of equity funds which are performing now? Thanks
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Sep 26 2016, 07:41 AM)
This is one of the recommended fund  wor. While you consider moving out, you see there are people going into it now.

Maybe can consider switching to cimb principle Asia Pacific dynamic income fund.

Is this an intra switch ?
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I bailed it long ago. Always take a pinch of salt when FSM recommends a fund and check the prospectus of a fund where it is placing its investment in.

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post Sep 26 2016, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Sep 26 2016, 10:02 AM)
I bailed it long ago. Always take a pinch of salt when FSM recommends a fund and check the prospectus of a fund where it is placing its investment in.
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so you don't like where the fund is placing its investment in US, Europe and Japan?
Where / what regions are you liked now?

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QUOTE(MUM @ Sep 26 2016, 10:07 AM)
so you don't like where the fund is placing its investment in US, Europe and Japan?
Where / what regions are you liked now?
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I am focusing alot in Asia region including India for the time being until the migrant crisis and presidential election comes to a close. Someone said before stuff like this does not effect the performance of funds and I disagree. BREXIT triggered a massive panic sellout and I am sure the US will go through a rocky period IF. That's a big IF Trump goes into the white house.


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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Sep 26 2016, 10:22 AM)
If only we can invest in military. Seems like that's the only thing that countries love doing with all the fear mongering of terrorist and communist going about.
Open a foreign trading account. Invest in Kalashnikov, Sukhoi, Lockheed Martin etc. Who say cannot? Go go go icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 26 2016, 10:27 AM)
Open a foreign trading account. Invest in Kalashnikov, Sukhoi, Lockheed Martin etc. Who say cannot? Go go go icon_idea.gif
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I would most definitely be investing in Lockheed and Martin. Anyways let us not digress from the topic less someone starts reporting us again.
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QUOTE(afdhal_89 @ Sep 26 2016, 07:11 AM)
My CIMB Global Titans is performing poorly over the past 1 year, should I sell and change UT funds? Any suggestions of equity funds which are performing now? Thanks
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Started exiting in Feb 2016 by DCA method, completely exited my position in CIMB-GTF by mid 2016. Will I come back to it? Not in the near future.

Xuzen

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 26 2016, 11:11 AM)
Started exiting in Feb 2016 by DCA method, completely exited my position in CIMB-GTF by mid 2016. Will I come back to it? Not at the near future.

Xuzen
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U missed out the upside from recent MYR weakness whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 26 2016, 11:13 AM)
U missed out the upside from recent MYR weakness whistling.gif
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aiya - bulls wins, bears wins, ***s get slaughtered
ie ada cohesive plan/methodology, sell or accumulate ok
BUT if none.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 26 2016, 11:13 AM)
U missed out the upside from recent MYR weakness whistling.gif
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OK lar, my luvlee Sexy fund compensated mah....cannot win all wan.

Somemore ada itu TA Tech leh...

Xuzen

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 26 2016, 11:16 AM)
aiya - bulls wins, bears wins, ***s get slaughtered
ie ada cohesive plan/methodology, sell or accumulate ok
BUT if none.. tongue.gif
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Aiyo, censor buat apa...u mean Rams get slaughtered, kan? tongue.gif
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Children story telling time (purely for entertainment purpose)

Once upon a time in a fictional country named Federation of Bolehland, there lived a citizen by the name of Pak Kambing Jed in a village called Batang Berjuntai. He is a civil servant working as a administration officer in the district office.

The government is kind to its people, she subsidise most of their day to day living, such as sugar, coffee, rice, cars, houses, luxury cars, luxury bungalows etc.

As long as the subsidy is there, the people like Pak Kambing Jed is isolated from worldly vagaries and uncertainties. However as with anything in the world, free lunch cannot be expected indefinitely. One day, the government faced some monetary crunch and are forced to withdraw some of the subsidies. First to go is sugar subsidy, then the electricity, then the petrol, then the rice, then the housing subsidy and so on and so forth.

Citizen of a neighbouring country who has never been living on a crutch subsidy knows very well the uncertainty of global economy and take it as it is. They know that the world has no free lunch and nobody owes anybody anything. What is given as free now, has to be paid back by future generation. Pak Kambing Jed who is so used to living on subsidy felt the change very unpleasant.

Poor Pak Kambing Jed, woe is unto him. But, Pak Kambing Jed has been indoctrinated taught to belief that all that has happen is the will of God. He should not question the will of God. What he is not taught is that the world works on sound economy principle and that the very first theory of finance is there is no free lunch.

End of story, hope you all have been entertained.

Xuzen

p/s What has this got to do with FSM? Absolutely nothing! I just want to increase my post count! thumbup.gif

This post has been edited by xuzen: Sep 26 2016, 11:41 AM
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Just as I entered with Asia Pac fund, HKSE profit taking begins sad.gif

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