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post May 30 2007, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(-= Virgil =- @ May 30 2007, 08:03 PM)
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Hm.. i wondered why cant Alonso couldnt make the lead bigger if he was that fast whistling.gif

Come on, Hamilton show his frustration by saying that he could have be faster and this is was hindered by the team orders.. i am not saying that the team orders is wrong or such, i personally think there is no fault in the orders given...
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zzz save engine ma if already confirm win no point extending his leading margin?

and u were wondering how can alonso be slower when he did zero mistake rite. Simply because there is a brake in his car to slow it down. lol... and as u can see super aguri/spyker/BAR are slower is tat mean their driver are doin mistake all the time?

anyway i think hamilton will feel even sad if FIA deduct both d drivers points and it cause Mclaren lose to ferrari by 1 or 2 pts at the end of d season. haha...

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FIA clear McLaren after Monaco probe
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The FIA have cleared McLaren of any wrongdoing during Sunday's Monaco GP.


Formula One's governing body launched an investigation into Fernando Alonso's victory after Woking boss Ron Dennis admitted that he asked Lewis Hamilton, who finished second, to slow down during the race.


However, the FIA have now declared that McLaren "did nothing which could be described as interfering with the race result". In a statement, they declared that McLaren's 'team strategy' was 'entirely legitimate' and ruled that 'no further action is necessary.'


It had been thought that, if found guilty, the team would face a swingeing fine or even be deducted the points garnered in Monaco courtesy of their 1-2 success.


The FIA Statement In Full:
'Having studied the radio traffic between Vodafone McLaren Mercedes (McLaren) and its drivers, together with the FIA observer's report and data from the team, it is clear that McLaren's actions during the 2007 Monaco Grand Prix were entirely legitimate and no further action is necessary.



The Facts
1. A two-stop strategy is the optimum at Monaco unless the safety car is deployed, in which case one-stop can sometimes be better.


2. The safety car has been deployed during four of the past five Monaco Grands Prix.


3. Under current rules the choice between a one-stop and two-stop strategy must be made before the final qualifying period.


4. It is clear from FIA measurements taken after qualifying that McLaren fuelled Hamilton for five more laps than Alonso.


5. This allowed Hamilton the option of a one-stop strategy should the safety car have come out during his first stint.


6. The safety car was not deployed.


7. The McLaren was significantly faster at Monaco than any other car.


Background
The primary objective of any team is for one of their drivers to win. If this can be achieved they will try to ensure their other car finishes second.


With no safety car during Alonso's first stint, there was a small but finite risk that it would come out during the five laps before Hamilton had to refuel. This would have put him behind the field and at a significant disadvantage to any car on a full (as opposed to optional) one-stop strategy. The latter cars would be expected to refuel around lap 40 - ie after the safety car had pitted if it came out during Hamilton's extra laps.


For similar reasons Hamilton was called in early for his second pit stop, thus assuring his second place, with or without a safety car.


Had the car in front of Hamilton not been his team-mate, McLaren might (probably would) have decided to risk the safety car and let Hamilton run for as long as his fuel load allowed in the hope that he would come out of the pits in the lead after one of his pit stops. There is, however, no obligation on them to take this risk in order to overtake their own car. Indeed it would be foolish to do so.


It is standard procedure for a team to tell its drivers to slow down when they have a substantial lead. This is in order to minimise the risk of technical or other problems. It is also standard practice and entirely reasonable to ask the drivers not to put each other at risk.


McLaren were able to pursue an optimum team strategy because they had a substantial advantage over all other cars. They did nothing which could be described as interfering with the race result.'


i forsee all british newspaper condemning the FIA tomorrow morning

Monaco is a joke and Ferrari will win
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Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo has slammed the Monaco Grand Prix as a "joke" while backing the Prancing Horse to return to winning ways in Canada.


"Monte Carlo is a joke. It's not even a race, it's just a TV show," he told ANSA.


The Maranello-based team struggled in the Principality with Felipe Massa's podium finish nothing but damage limitation for Ferrari as McLaren romped to a one-two finish.


But di Montezemolo is adamant that the Italian squad will hit back at the Canadian Grand Prix.


He said: "Ferrari will win in Canada. We are recovering because we are working day and night."


World Championship leader Fernando Alonso shares the Ferrari chief's belief as their rivals are historically strong at high-speed circuits.


The McLaren star told the newspaper Diario As: "But Ferrari usually win at Indianapolis and so I believe that they go there starting as the favourites - and the same for Canada."

Yeah, it's a joke when you're rival is dominating, it's not a joke when you're winning? heh. Contradiction can eat yourself Luca sir...

Dennis welcomes FIA decision
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Team principal Ron Dennis has welcomed the FIA's decision to clear McLaren of using team-orders during the Monaco Grand Prix.


The governing body launched an investigation into the team's alleged team orders during the race in the Principality, but on Wednesday cleared the Woking team's actions as "entirely legitimate".


In the aftermath Dennis was unhappy with the bad press this created for the British team.


"The entire team was understandably disappointed that outstanding drives from both Fernando and Lewis resulting in a great one-two victory and McLaren's 150th win was temporarily tarnished," he said in a statement.


"The efficient intervention and subsequent inquiry of the FIA into the allegations of the last three days has removed any doubt about the manner in which the team ran its cars during the 2007 Monaco Grand Prix.


"The team, Fernando and Lewis, who currently are leading both world championships can now concentrate on the Canadian Grand Prix."


The team further denied reports which suggested that Lewis Hamilton was not allowed to fight for the race victory.


"The Vodafone McLaren Mercedes team has at all times stated that the team did not breach the International Sporting Code at the 2007 Monaco Grand Prix, and as a result is pleased that the FIA, following an extremely efficient, professional and thorough investigation, has confirmed that the team's actions were entirely legitimate," the statement added.


"Press comments following the Grand Prix focused on two issues; the fuel strategy and the allegation that the drivers were not allowed to race each other. The FIA investigation shows that these criticisms were not justified."


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At least the FIA still have enough senses left in them....

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as usual little luca is cryin again ......... HAHAHaHhAhaH. still couldnt accept the fact that his cars sux as usual at the the streets of monaco. how pathetic laugh.gif

it's not a joke .... it's a showcase of precision driving !


Added on May 31, 2007, 1:10 amA Few Conclusions From The Monaco GP
QUOTE(http://www.planetf1.com/story/0 @ 18954,3265_2154145,00.html)
Only The Truly Committed F1 Fan Can Enjoy The Monaco GP
agreed with this so much smile.gif

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QUOTE(edwin3210 @ May 30 2007, 07:36 PM)
guys, wat the fuss about?

looking at the pace of alonso and lewis in the monaco, alonso seems to do better than him,lewis keep on banging on the wall, while alonso did 0 mistake, and he get the fastest lap more over. can lewis overtake alonso? nono, and some more the lap is that tight and small. even without the radio contact from Ron Dennis to lewis, alonso still wins. and do forget, lewis manage to come close with alonso is bcoz of the help of heavy traffic. if not of those heavy traffic, alonso already far from lewis liao.
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if you saw the F1 race in Monaco...I think 1999 or 2000. Michael started 2nd while Mika started on pole. Michael overtook Mika at the start...before the 1st corner cleanly. And don't think just because Lewis made mistakes during the race that Alonso deserves to win. There is NO WAY anybody can overtake in this track except through pit strategy. Wait a minute...Lewis has more fuel than Alonso...so Lewis has better chances of winning. Of course, all this is provided Lewis jumped Alonso at the start. Basically whoever is faster won't matter if he's stuck behind someone. Being fast and overtaking is completely different issues here.


Added on May 31, 2007, 1:16 am
QUOTE(linkinstreet @ May 31 2007, 12:24 AM)
FIA clear McLaren after Monaco probe
i forsee all british newspaper condemning the FIA tomorrow morning

The Facts
7. The McLaren was significantly faster at Monaco than any other car.
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ya know...I have totally no idea what fact #7 tells. FIA is supposed to "check" between the two McLaren cars. What does this case have to do with "any other car"? THE McLaren? Are they specifying on one of the two McLarens? blink.gif

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post May 31 2007, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(blah1134 @ May 31 2007, 01:09 AM)
as usual little luca is cryin again ......... HAHAHaHhAhaH. still couldnt accept the fact that his cars sux as usual at the the streets of monaco. how pathetic laugh.gif

it's not a joke .... it's a showcase of precision driving !


Added on May 31, 2007, 1:10 amA Few Conclusions From The Monaco GP

agreed with this so much smile.gif
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Right, screw sepang. We should have KL GP next year. Race through tight corners tight roads. Maybe we can even race on MRR2, but then that road is too wide and it will kill the spirit of race where overtaking is NOT done by drivers but by those sitting at the pit walls watching 20 dots circulating the circuit display, and yes, the dozen or so men in the pits.

That's what racing should be. Who can mount wheel nuts and refuel a car faster wins it all. Overtaking is a joke in F1. Too dangerous. And maybe driver should be allow to bring some magazine and snacks too in their car, just incase if they got stuck behind Truli.

And yes, shame on Luca for complaining about a boring race. His TV set was probably not functioning well. Last week race was so interesting I was kept at the edge of my chair right till Alonso went up the podium and grab hold of that trophy. Lost count of the amount of moments I almost had heart failure.

Next time he should complain about other team car, maybe their flexing mirror, flexing helmet even. Yeah, flexing helmets.

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too bad KL is not special enough and have no history about F1 smile.gif suggest this to the gov, maybe they'll say something like "monaco boleh, malaysia pun boleh" hAHaHhahah.

but to be honest .... 1 race like monaco is good enough. too much would be boring in the end, and no other cities can replicate monaco, it's the one and only special street circuit smile.gif IMO.
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I personally had always and will always believe that racing should always be done in proper race track. Monaco is not a proper one, and we all know that racing there is more of the "glamor" factor rather than fun racing. It's far from fun. Even if Luca say Monaco is great, I still never like the idea of seeing a fast car creeping up to a car infront, only to be disappointed to find the car is just pushing the one infront, and not attempting any overtaking.

If Singapore track is anything like Monaco, + racing at night in the dark, I think I'll fall asleep yawn.gif
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Now that the McLarens are off the hook. I wonder how Hamilton would have felt now.. or what would Dennis felt about Hamilton.

Would Dennis said the same thing if both of his drivers were to switch places?

I guess the Brit press will have their columns feel with anger and agony.... oh btw did the soccer season just ended? Right on time eh....

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i want to see hamilton explode in canada, the big question in my mind is can alonso hold hamilton off again? or get out qualified or out race? thats interesting brows.gif

waiting to see also can kimi bounce back as well? rolleyes.gif


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Sweet if we saw this kind of battle last weekend cool2.gif
The masters showing how it's done.
Clearly Mansell has the faster car but Senna drove perfectly.



QUOTE(-= Virgil =- @ May 31 2007, 01:45 AM)
Now that the McLarens are off the hook. I wonder how Hamilton would have felt now.. or what would Dennis felt about Hamilton.

Would Dennis said the same thing if both of his drivers were to switch places?

I guess the Brit press will have their columns feel with anger and agony.... oh btw did the soccer season just ended? Right on time eh....
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We'll see how Hamilton do in Canada.
I think he's gonna outperform his team mate and finish ahead again smile.gif

Brits always like that.
I think anyone would love to see their countrymen achieving success.
You know how fanatic the Brits are when it comes to their fellow countrymen.


Added on May 31, 2007, 6:48 am
QUOTE(edison92133 @ May 31 2007, 06:03 AM)
waiting to see also can kimi bounce back as well?    rolleyes.gif
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Since he said that he already got a good setup in Spain, he's not been able to show results yet.
DNF in Spain and qualifying accident in Monaco.
We'll see in Canada flex.gif

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McLaren cleared over Monaco win

The FIA has decided that the strategy employed by McLaren in their one-two victory in Sunday's Monaco Grand Prix was entirely legitimate. No further action will be taken over the matter.

The FIA launched an investigation following the race, after claims that team orders had played a part in Fernando Alonso's win over team mate Lewis Hamilton. However, having studied radio traffic between the drivers and the McLaren pit, together with the FIA observer's report and data from the team, the sport's governing body concluded there was no wrongdoing.

Team boss Ron Dennis had said that the unusual strategic requirements at Monaco and the high likelihood of safety-car periods meant that McLaren had to more or less decide in advance who would win the race. He also admitted his drivers had been told to ease off and hold position in the closing stages. He denied, however, manipulating the result.

"It is standard procedure for a team to tell its drivers to slow down when they have a substantial lead," agreed the FIA. "This is in order to minimise the risk of technical or other problems. It is also standard practice and entirely reasonable to ask the drivers not to put each other at risk.

"McLaren were able to pursue an optimum team strategy because they had a substantial advantage over all other cars. They did nothing which could be described as interfering with the race result."

Responding to the FIA's findings, Dennis commented: "The entire team was understandably disappointed that outstanding drives from both Fernando and Lewis resulting in a great one-two victory and McLaren's 150th win was temporarily tarnished.

"The efficient intervention and subsequent inquiry of the FIA into the allegations of the last three days has removed any doubt about the manner in which the team ran its cars during the 2007 Monaco Grand Prix. The team, Fernando and Lewis, who currently are leading both world championships can now concentrate on the Canadian Grand Prix."

Team orders which interfere with a race result were outlawed in October 2002. The move followed Ferrari's heavy fine after that year's Austrian Grand Prix, where Rubens Barrichello moved over for Michael Schumacher on the final lap.

http://www.formula1.com/race/news/6176/774.html
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QUOTE(faris21 @ May 31 2007, 08:20 AM)
McLaren cleared over Monaco win

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You are late by 7 hours. I already posted that back in the previous page this morning


Added on May 31, 2007, 8:35 am
QUOTE(Hornet @ May 31 2007, 01:17 AM)
And yes, shame on Luca for complaining about a boring race. His TV set was probably not functioning well. Last week race was so interesting I was kept at the edge of my chair right till Alonso went up the podium and grab hold of that trophy. Lost count of the amount of moments I almost had heart failure.

Next time he should complain about other team car, maybe their flexing mirror, flexing helmet even. Yeah, flexing helmets.
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No, the reason of his complaint was that his team was nowhere near the leader. If Ferrari had won that race by 30++ seconds ahead of it's nearest competitors. would he say that it's boring? Remember that he questioned why Ferrari was behind the McLarens even tho they won more races, and McLaren promptly replied with the Monaco win, which render his complaint a little sour.
IMO, he should keep quiet and let Todt do his work in peace. I expect a closer battle in Canada, with McLaren using a powerful engine that has proven to be a revelation in Monaco, and the long straights there favouring the Scarlet cars of Maranello.

I do believe that Monaco should be left out of the calender or converted into a non championship race, where you will not get points there. The reason it's still in there is that it generates soooooooooooooo much money for F1, that Bernie PAYS to bring F1 there


Added on May 31, 2007, 8:40 am
QUOTE(young_soul @ May 31 2007, 01:11 AM)


Added on May 31, 2007, 1:16 am
ya know...I have totally no idea what fact #7 tells. FIA is supposed to "check" between the two McLaren cars. What does this case have to do with "any other car"? THE McLaren? Are they specifying on one of the two McLarens? blink.gif
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The McLaren = Team as a whole, not just the two cars. The reason that they said McLaren was faster than any other team was that they can do any strategy they wanted without impeding the other cars behind them

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We are not changing thread ei?
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why? this will go on untill the end of the season

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And all because a brit failed to win his first grand prix. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ May 31 2007, 10:55 AM)
why? this will go on untill the end of the season
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Because we hit 2500 posts ald.
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