QUOTE(Hornet @ May 30 2007, 01:05 PM)
a very ambitious rookie indeedLYN Official FIA F1 World Championship 2007 Thread, Another McLaren 1-2
LYN Official FIA F1 World Championship 2007 Thread, Another McLaren 1-2
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May 30 2007, 01:13 PM
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May 30 2007, 01:47 PM
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Its nothing wrong being ambitious, i mean he has the skills and being given the chance to race in Monaco which Lewis himself is familiar with would be the best opportunity to take the 1st GP victory he has been dreaming for.
And thanks to the order by Dennis, he had to give in. If i was in his shoes, i would feel the same frustration... |
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May 30 2007, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE(-= Virgil =- @ May 30 2007, 01:47 PM) Its nothing wrong being ambitious, i mean he has the skills and being given the chance to race in Monaco which Lewis himself is familiar with would be the best opportunity to take the 1st GP victory he has been dreaming for. And thanks to the order by Dennis, he had to give in. If i was in his shoes, i would feel the same frustration... |
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May 30 2007, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE Hamilton `ranted and raved` at McLaren Lewis Hamilton reportedly ranted and raved over the McLaren team radio after being told to hold station behind team-mate Fernando Alonso during Sunday's Monaco GP and only agreed to slow down after the personal intervention of Ron Dennis. The admission of the McLaren team principal that he had asked his drivers to 'cool it' has prompted the FIA to launch an investigation into their victory for a "possible breach of the International Sporting Code." According to The Daily Mail, Hamilton 'vented his frustration' at being denied the opportunity to push for victory 'by ranting at his race engineer Phil Prew.' 'Dennis was forced to step in over the in-car radio and speak to his protege directly,' the newspaper claims. 'It was only then that rookie Hamilton, who made his views clear with several high-speed laps, finally relented and abided by his boss's demand that he should settle for second place.' "Lewis was very angry. He turned the air blue when he was told to take it easy," a 'paddock insider' claimed. QUOTE(-= Virgil =- @ May 30 2007, 01:47 PM) And thanks to the order by Dennis, he had to give in. If i was in his shoes, i would feel the same frustration... Everybody wants to win. Barrichello felt the same way when he had to yield to Michael. Hamilton felt so confident before the race. Not nervous and the car is good, he said. He's a racer just like Senna. I think Senna would never yield to anyone if it comes to racing. Seems to me, Hamilton was 'robbed'. This post has been edited by Raikkonen: May 30 2007, 03:16 PM |
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May 30 2007, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ May 30 2007, 02:33 PM) Seems to me, Hamilton was 'robbed'. but v can't guarantee tat if ron dennis allowed him 2 do so, he would ended up winning...is juz speculation.. |
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May 30 2007, 04:35 PM
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May 30 2007, 04:56 PM
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May 30 2007, 04:58 PM
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heh, I was waiting for someone to post that "rant and rave" story. i've read that before Daily Mail even picked it up.
and 2 facts that interest me about that story - It was from an "insider" - and that "insider" also said that it was Schummi's decision that Massa run with 2 soft tyre stint. - Daily Mail didn't use the Schummi news because they want the news to sound legit. And I think enough of this issue. Even if there was no order that day, i still feel that he don't have the resource to match Fernando's pace that day. He was just toying around with Lewis. And I think Ron remembers Japan 1989, where Prost and Senna collided. Do he want to see that in front of all his corporate partners at Monaco? heck no. |
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May 30 2007, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ May 30 2007, 04:58 PM) heh, I was waiting for someone to post that "rant and rave" story. i've read that before Daily Mail even picked it up. better answer and 2 facts that interest me about that story - It was from an "insider" - and that "insider" also said that it was Schummi's decision that Massa run with 2 soft tyre stint. - Daily Mail didn't use the Schummi news because they want the news to sound legit. And I think enough of this issue. Even if there was no order that day, i still feel that he don't have the resource to match Fernando's pace that day. He was just toying around with Lewis. And I think Ron remembers Japan 1989, where Prost and Senna collided. Do he want to see that in front of all his corporate partners at Monaco? heck no. |
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May 30 2007, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE Bernie Ecclestone insists McLaren could face a ban or points deduction if they are found guilty of issuing team orders during Sunday's Monaco Grand Prix. The FIA, motorsport's governing body, have launched an investigation into the circumstances of world champion Fernando Alonso's win in Monte Carlo amid allegations team-mate Lewis Hamilton, who finished second, was told not to challenge for the lead. Lewis admitted afterwards he was told to "ease off" in his pursuit of the Spaniard with McLaren insisting it was simply part of their strategy. But if the FIA conclude that the instruction amounted to team orders, banned under their own rules, Ecclestone would like to see the British-based team treated harshly. Ferrari were fined 500,000 when they were found guilty of issuing team orders after the Austrian Grand Prix in 2002 - and Ecclestone believes that is the least McLaren should expect if they are found against. "I don't know what the 'team orders' are or were," he told the Daily Mail. "One thing is for sure - if there were team orders which relate to the position of the two drivers - if somebody is told to move over or hold their position - it is against all the sporting regulations we have. "If there were orders, they would be getting off lightly if they get the same sort of fine as Ferrari. "They could be excluded from the championship or they could have points deducted. "A fine for McLaren, with its money, would not have the same effect as docking points." But Ecclestone has ruled out a direct punishment for Hamilton or Alonso, claiming they would not have had a say in the 'manufactured' result. "If there were instructions, it wouldn't be the drivers' fault," he added. "If I'm driving for you and you tell me to stay where I am and not overtake the guy in front, what can I do? "It would be those who give the orders who should receive the punishment." Okay, if this was true, why was McLaren not charged when Kimi was ordered to stay behind Juan Pablo during the 2005 Brazillian grand prix? or the countless times Rubens was ordered to finish behind Schummi? This is blaphmeous. All teams use team orders for their best interest. It's what F1 strategy is all about. Suddenly because they are doing the right thing McLaren is now the bad guy? I never even question Ferrari on their team order discounting the blantant Austrian GP because it's how you win a race, but for the FIA to suddenly crack down on a team just because they don't want anything to happen to the car is beyond doubt stupid beyond reason. And all because a brit failed to win his first grand prix. Give the FIA and FOM leadership to the French all that I can say. They do a better job than those lousy brits This post has been edited by linkinstreet: May 30 2007, 05:48 PM |
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May 30 2007, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ May 30 2007, 05:47 PM) And all because a brit failed to win his first grand prix. that's is the best answer |
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May 30 2007, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ May 30 2007, 05:47 PM) Okay, if this was true, why was McLaren not charged when Kimi was ordered to stay behind Juan Pablo during the 2005 Brazillian grand prix? or the countless times Rubens was ordered to finish behind Schummi? come on la...it was countless time whereby u guys here n d paper oso claimed tat ferrari use team order....n said that mclaren is d so called 'clean' team out there, tat throughout d years, they alwiz had 2 equal driversThis is blaphmeous. All teams use team orders for their best interest. It's what F1 strategy is all about. Suddenly because they are doing the right thing McLaren is now the bad guy? I never even question Ferrari on their team order discounting the blantant Austrian GP because it's how you win a race, but for the FIA to suddenly crack down on a team just because they don't want anything to happen to the car is beyond doubt stupid beyond reason. And all because a brit failed to win his first grand prix. Give the FIA and FOM leadership to the French all that I can say. They do a better job than those lousy brits so now is their chance....... Added on May 30, 2007, 6:13 pm QUOTE(linkinstreet @ May 30 2007, 04:58 PM) heh, I was waiting for someone to post that "rant and rave" story. i've read that before Daily Mail even picked it up. huh!? u think schumi d informal advisor had such a power of deciding wat tyre 2 use?and 2 facts that interest me about that story - It was from an "insider" - and that "insider" also said that it was Schummi's decision that Massa run with 2 soft tyre stint. - Daily Mail didn't use the Schummi news because they want the news to sound legit. This post has been edited by Amanda85: May 30 2007, 06:13 PM |
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May 30 2007, 07:06 PM
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that's why I said never trust the insider. I never believe 1 word of that shit.
And while I do feel Ferrari does bend the rule, I never said that their team orders other than that 2002 GP in austria breaches any rules. It's common knowledge that Rubens was ordered to finish behind Schummi many times, and that's strategy. And that's why i said that McLaren already used that strategy in '05, but why nobody bothered about that during that weekend? Why now? |
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May 30 2007, 07:36 PM
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guys, wat the fuss about?
looking at the pace of alonso and lewis in the monaco, alonso seems to do better than him,lewis keep on banging on the wall, while alonso did 0 mistake, and he get the fastest lap more over. can lewis overtake alonso? nono, and some more the lap is that tight and small. even without the radio contact from Ron Dennis to lewis, alonso still wins. and do forget, lewis manage to come close with alonso is bcoz of the help of heavy traffic. if not of those heavy traffic, alonso already far from lewis liao. |
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May 30 2007, 07:52 PM
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Alonso did 0 mistakes? May i know what you meant by mistakes? Everyone admits that Lewis might be faster than Alonso and this is what the Maccas admit themselves so.. i wondered how can Alonso be slower when he did "0" mistakes? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Source for that article that bro Linkin posted is here. This post has been edited by -= Virgil =-: May 30 2007, 07:53 PM |
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May 30 2007, 07:56 PM
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QUOTE(TOYO @ May 30 2007, 04:35 PM) QUOTE(TOYO @ May 30 2007, 05:07 PM) QUOTE(TOYO @ May 30 2007, 06:10 PM) Made me LOL...and also the fact that Bernie has lost his marbles Added on May 30, 2007, 7:58 pm QUOTE(-= Virgil =- @ May 30 2007, 07:52 PM) ^ What race were u watching? Alonso was clearly the quicker of the two Alonso did 0 mistakes? May i know what you meant by mistakes? Everyone admits that Lewis might be faster than Alonso and this is what the Maccas admit themselves so.. i wondered how can Alonso be slower when he did "0" mistakes? This post has been edited by verx: May 30 2007, 07:58 PM |
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May 30 2007, 08:03 PM
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Hm.. i wondered why cant Alonso couldnt make the lead bigger if he was that fast Come on, Hamilton show his frustration by saying that he could have be faster and this is was hindered by the team orders.. i am not saying that the team orders is wrong or such, i personally think there is no fault in the orders given... |
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May 30 2007, 08:28 PM
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Even there was a team order, it was just asking them not to take each other out, unlike some team, the second driver had to almost stop to 0kmh before the finishing line, nuff said.
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May 30 2007, 08:45 PM
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QUOTE(bysquashy @ May 30 2007, 08:28 PM) Even there was a team order, it was just asking them not to take each other out, unlike some team, the second driver had to almost stop to 0kmh before the finishing line, nuff said. Which is why the team orders were banned. Not forgetting the incident in the 2002 Indy GP as well where they try to do a 1-2 simultaneous win |
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May 30 2007, 08:45 PM
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QUOTE(-= Virgil =- @ May 30 2007, 08:03 PM) ^ - After the start he was pulling away from Lewis before Davidson obstrcuted himHm.. i wondered why cant Alonso couldnt make the lead bigger if he was that fast Come on, Hamilton show his frustration by saying that he could have be faster and this is was hindered by the team orders.. i am not saying that the team orders is wrong or such, i personally think there is no fault in the orders given... - He was slowing down during and after his second stop. Look at how he lesuirly pull out of the pits. He was not gunning on it or anything - The engine will be used for Canada. Thus there is no suprise that he was close to Lewis after all that. Added on May 30, 2007, 8:48 pmMcLaren 'orders' to protect Montreal engines? QUOTE Having wiped the floor with the opposition in Monaco at the weekend, McLaren is looking to engine developments to bring about a repeat performance on the altogether different Montreal circuit next weekend. According to as.com in Spain, the Woking operation toiled to get its Canadian-spec engines ready in time for Monaco, in order for them to be used on the other side of the Atlantic. With neither Fernando Alonso or Lewis Hamilton having suffered an engine failure this season, the Principality represented the first of the latest pair of races for which a single engine is to be used, meaning that the newest V8s had to be installed for the street circuit. The reports suggest that the latest developments could be worth as much as two-tenths a lap to the drivers, but the question remains as to what state the units will be in after their Monaco exertions. Although newspaper reports globally suggested that the 'team orders' furore resulted from the team asking Alonso and Hamilton not to fight over the lead in order to protect their brakes, it may instead have been in order not to put too much strain on engines that had to complete another race distance after Monaco. With Hamilton having chased down his team-mate in Monaco, there is the suggestion that his powerplant may have suffered, but speed trap figures in the Principality suggest that the improvements did indeed move McLaren ahead of Ferrari for the first time this season. However, the real test will come in Canada, where Montreal's Circuit Gilles Villeneuve highlights engine power a lot more than most other venues. Alonso has already pointed to the two transatlantic rounds as being pivotal to title race, in which he is currently tied at the top with his rookie team-mate. Although neither Montreal or, more especially, Indianapolis, have favoured the Spaniard in recent seasons, he insists that he will need to be on top of his game at both if he is to keep himself in the title race. "You need to be there, you need to be on the podium,," he said over the Monaco weekend, "If not, you start to lose too many points. At the moment, we are four drivers fighting for everything but, if one has two or three bad results, then maybe it's a little bit too [much to lose] in terms of championship points." Alonso has already finished off the podium in one race this season - when he was pushed back to fifth by Nick Heidfeld's BMW Sauber in Bahrain - but has also won two races, the same as Ferrari's Felipe Massa. It is currently the other Scuderia pilot, Kimi Raikkonen, who is lagging behind in the points race, having retired in Spain and finished only eighth in Monaco, but the Finn insists that all is not lost yet - provided he returns to winning ways before too long. This post has been edited by linkinstreet: May 30 2007, 08:48 PM |
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