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 LYN Official FIA F1 World Championship 2007 Thread, Another McLaren 1-2

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post Jan 20 2007, 10:11 PM

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Ferrari say there will be a new aero package for the car before the first race this year. So we can expect the car to further change its look.

So far, cars with radical changes IMO, is Renault and mclaren.
Ferrari only the rear extra 3rd outlet, for cooling i think. Their wings still the same.
Others are just okok. Toyota looks nothing special though.

But heck I think at least those top teams should have at least some aero changes by the time they start the season.

Cant wait for it to start... heheh
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post Feb 1 2007, 07:56 PM

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hey not bad. previous day i think Kimi was about 1sec off the pace.

but we still cant compare the time directly IMO, dont know what are they testing.
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post Feb 2 2007, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Feb 2 2007, 12:54 PM)
In all the moves I've seen in F1, from the bold Alonso move on Schumacher around the outside of 130R in suzuka, or the Kimi move on the last lap of the same race later, this will always top those.....
Racing drivers should learn how this move was made

Mika made this move stick because
1 - He knew the width of the track instinctively
2 - He knew that he had the right of way when he dove inside

Now, if that was good, take a look from Zonta's car

He never saw that coming
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those were the days.

its hard to say that those move can be done with current cars. things had change so much ever since... the front wing was raised and other aero change. Whats more, engine capacity has been reduce and lifespan increased ridiculously, V8 and now capped at 19k rpm.

Last two san marino race should be a good reminder how hard it is now to overtake.
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post Feb 10 2007, 06:04 PM

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Alonso has clearly let his newfound status in the paddock go to his head as he wrote off his former team's chances in the title race, "Renault will start the year well, but they will get worse, as usual," he said.


lol, this coming from alonso who won with that team twice.

Anyway, pre season testing, everyone test different things so the times doesn't mean anything.

And so is what alonso says there. No one is going to admit their car is fast even if it is.
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post Feb 11 2007, 08:19 PM

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IGN spoiled Renault's outlook lol
It kind of looks cool with orange and dark blue.... until came a white patch on the middle making it look like a circus car doh.gif
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post Feb 16 2007, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(rivoluzione @ Feb 14 2007, 12:21 PM)
f2007 the most beautiful car ,according to dailyf1news.comuser posted image
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I kind of like it more than previous cars. Just pure red everywhere without any white patch biggrin.gif
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post Mar 17 2007, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Mar 17 2007, 04:39 PM)
McLaren heavy on fuel...could be.
Q2 was 1:25:XXX
But been believing that since last year...same old result also  sweat.gif
Just don't have the pace back then.
Well, tomorrow morning we'll see what's gonna happened.

Will the two(2) Saubers shows extra special pace  hmm.gif
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difference is that last year, they are no where at the top during Q2, so heavy or light, they just didn't have the pace. But this time, I'm quite worry as they did top the timesheet, although we don't know what tyres both are using. Alonso seems to be wasting his tyres alot, and maybe the Ferrari are using their harder compound, maybe McLaren is just fast, its still hard to tell.
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post Mar 17 2007, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Mar 17 2007, 08:40 PM)
Spyker is trying to get the Super Aguri banned for tomorrow's race. and I don't blame them really. Even the Torro Rosso was quite better than the Red Bull.
The loser IMO was Massa. I was sure he could (and should) have gotten the pole
My prediction: McLaren uses the Semi-Soft compound during the start of the race, and went for a long stint. Kimi meanwhile start on the same tyre, but for a shorter (2 laps maybe) than the Macca, and both will then use the soft compound. The McLaren will then try to take advantage with a lower fuel during this stint, while the BMW's will hold up Massa, who has risen up through the field. This will take Fisico into the race and he will pass massa at the end
End result
McLaren 1-2 (Fernando or Lewis, both seems equally fast), Kimi 3rd (or 2nd, depend on his drive), both BMW Sauber 4th and 5th, and then Fisico
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On what grounds? Aguri car is completely legit right hmm.gif
it's a shame if they want to beat others by getting them banned. Spyker isn't all that top team or experienced team anyway.

BTW, i think Kimi stands an equal chance of winning, depending of Ferrari's pace. He did complained the car did not handle as well as he wanted to, but nevertheless, it has good pace in it.

Oh boy, i wish Ross was still around. his strategy had won michael many race in harder times where their car isn't the fastest on track

QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Mar 17 2007, 08:52 PM)
Longer wheelbase?
Probably for better braking stability and to make it more stable in fast corners.

Confirmed, longer wheelbase. Don't have pictures but I have the measurements.
For the 248 F1, it was 3050mm, now the F2007 has 3135mm.
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if I'm not mistaken, it is longer than the older ferrari car, but when compare to others, its not that much longer, since ferrari had always have shorter base in the pass...
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post Mar 18 2007, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(SeeD @ Mar 18 2007, 02:55 AM)
Im using PPmate though, need window media player 10 to play nicely.
Anyways, where will be ITV commentors comment in ?
starsports or ESPN ?
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On ITV channel of course biggrin.gif
starsports have their own commenter
RTM2 suppose to have from ITV. Something went wrong yesterday. Not the first time though. Hope they fix it soon... ITV so much better than starsports, they interview drives who end the race early, and often have lots of info we don't see on TV. RTM commentor should just remain silent tongue.gif

QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Mar 18 2007, 09:12 AM)
Supa aguri is still last season's car, which the team DID NOT build themselves (who are they kidding really?). The rule state that teams must build the chassis themselves (including R&D), unless the car is built by a third party builder (which Red Bull and Tollo Losso uses this loophole).

Teh Fellalli IS longer than the other teams this season, which is why ppl are saying that they knew something about the bridgestone that other teams have no idea about. The reason other teams are using shorter version this season are because they felt that the new Bridgstone will be too much of a low grip.
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Hmm... i don't know then about aguri, since they are indeed a new team, though in the past I think there are people who buy over older team and use their cars of course... aguri did not buy over of course...

But its really strange for a newcomer to suddenly go attacking other teams lol. They certainly aren't making any friends now...
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post Mar 18 2007, 01:02 PM

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i kind of hoped lewis would have finish 2nd, not alonso... heh

congratz to kimi...
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post Mar 18 2007, 10:04 PM

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Actually this tyre rule, i dont entirely agree with it. The soft compound definitely will be soft enough for a 1 lap performance for Qualifying session. Come raceday, that tyre will not be use even if the strategy involve a lighter load first stint spring to open the gap, since its too soft for race anyway.

So as we can see above, most team will use soft for the final stint where they can slowly take care of the tyre. And this rule also make a one stop strategy a less attractive option, u cant use soft tyres for such a long stint. So I don't see how it can "spice" up things...

Let them use supersoft for qualifying and the medium ones for race day, let the guys go race each other until the finish line. That's what we wants isn't it? Not everyone slowing down towards the end to take care of their softer tyres (its bad enough they have to take care of that stupid engine for 2 weeks)
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post Mar 18 2007, 11:28 PM

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^ I notice his hands wasnt on that steering wheel. Good thing, else his fingers could have been crush. sweat.gif

that's one accident he'll never forget
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post Mar 19 2007, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(young_soul @ Mar 18 2007, 11:47 PM)
Coulthard should remember this incident for the rest of his life. If I'm not mistaken...he did a dangerous manoeuvre on Michael in Spa sometime back. Does anyone know the specifications of that incident?
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If i'm not mistaken, Michael was about to lap DC when DC lifted his accelerator (not sure which part of the circuit, but i think its a high speed section), it was a wet track, so lifting will cause the car to slow down very fast, Michael crash into DC.
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post Mar 19 2007, 09:40 PM

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Ferrari were clearly faster than the Mclaren, heck Hamilton was droping alonso at the early part of the race. Alonso lost it plain and simple. Hamilton was then compromise by Sato and so lose out to Alonso.

Nick was clearly faster and Hamilton was no where near his back. Alonso was even further behind. Did Ron even watch the same race?

Ron will be the downfall of Alonso if anything.
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post Mar 19 2007, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Mar 19 2007, 10:01 PM)
Needless to say Ferrari still is weird in letting their team Radio being broadcasted. The line 'And remember, this communication will be broadcasted live' uttered by the race engineer was shocking to me. If you want it to be broadcast, just broadcast it. no need to sugarcoat it. The reason team radio being broadcast is
- checking for team orders (heh, like they will let the out so easily)
- give viewers the chance to hear the hectic race startegy on the fly
- Uncensored driver comments (try searching for Juan Pablo's when he was at Williams. that should be good)
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I think FIA can monitor all conversation for all teams, that's how they enforce their team order rule. Of course communication is very important that many if not all teams have their own communication encryption (FIA are allow to access them of course). So basically I think all broadcasted communication are chosen ones anyway tongue.gif

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post Mar 22 2007, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(PowerSlide @ Mar 22 2007, 09:25 AM)
Ferrari's moving rear wing - Ron
Renault moving mass damper - Ron
Ferrari's moving floor - Ron

what's next? moving nose cone? I'm very eager and interested in knowing what's his next complain. It gets more and more creative and funny each time laugh.gif
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post Mar 22 2007, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(TOYO @ Mar 22 2007, 12:26 PM)
its good when there is someone concern about the ilegality...

ferrari moving rear and front wing were no doubt ilegal because its an aero part...but mass damper by renault was it an aero part or chasis part?imho it belong in a chasis part but any how FIA annouce it as ilegal,so in this moving floor by ferrari n bmw it suppose to be ilegal also laa.. whistling.gif
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now u see, in F1 there's always a grey area. wings are allow to flex a certain amount, and of course so does renault mass damper which, wheter is a moving aero part is NOT well defined. Well, so question here is that why Ron have to complain then?

If you wanna beat your rivals, do it on track. FIA is doing their job, we all know teams knows better than to break the rules. I dare say NO team out there is breaking any rule technically but ALL teams does in a way, push things to the boundary into the grey area. You just have to live with it.

QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Mar 22 2007, 12:33 PM)
it's amazing when McLaren complains, ppl said that they were bitter, but when Ferrari complained, immediatly it was banned.....user posted image
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Ron was the one brought up the mass damper issue as well
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post Mar 22 2007, 06:03 PM

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^ Next Tuesday I think, teams will be testing in sepang. I wonder if people can go watch the test, lol....

QUOTE(TOYO @ Mar 22 2007, 02:36 PM)
of course aero part like front,rear,side wing and difuser gonna flex anyhow, but like u said only in certain amount...but when u can see it flex even with your bare eye,sure it already above grey area....

why complain?
because it unsure..."was was" ...question here is,if renault mass damper is banned how about ferrari and bmw moving floor...if FIA wanna play fair, BANNED it also laa sweat.gif
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ferrari was indeed told to change their wings along with few other teams... and in the end, all teams are told to put a small stuff between the rear wing elements.

so yeah, we can say its fair last season... but this clearly has to stop. each time if someone complains and then the FIA move to ban it, then this shows something wrong is going on because FIA always check all cars and make sure they are legal, they dont need others to tell them what to do.

I personally disagree with complains lodge by a team against others, even if its Ferrari. I don't want my supported team to try and put others in a disadvantage by complaining about their car, it doesn't make a team look good that way.

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post Mar 22 2007, 06:46 PM

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This year all on same tyres.... if its wet during race, then we can see who's the new master of wet biggrin.gif
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post Mar 24 2007, 12:04 PM

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Kimi have this experience fighting for the championship with world champions, Schumi. He knows how to handle pressure well, after years at McLaren, he has learned everything he needs to and is prepare to fight for championships.

Massa is still learning to be consistent, trying to win as many races as possible. and most importantly, he hasn't been in the position to really fight for a championship before thus lack the experience.

If Ferrari were to fight for the driver's title, Kimi is their only hope against Alonso. If Kimi can't deliver, I don't think massa can either, he'll lose out to Alonso in terms of experience and other stuff such as keeping himself compose in harder times.

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