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 LYN Official FIA F1 World Championship 2007 Thread, Another McLaren 1-2

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post May 16 2007, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ May 16 2007, 11:20 AM)
actly y renault so slow ya?izit bcoz of the setting?engine?car chassis? or tyre (chg from michelin to bridgestone)?
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Definitely not the engine...
It's more of a combination of different factors...the aerodynamics, change of tyres, motivation factors due to the loss of Alonso..I don't think u can actually pin it on one exact reason as to why they are struggling.
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QUOTE(-= Virgil =- @ May 16 2007, 10:04 AM)
I think this wasnt posted here before and it seems interesting enough ... brows.gif

Ten Conclusions From The Spanish GP

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A lot of upset results this early season.
I think everyone has the desire to succeed.
But when you got a good package and talent...go for it.

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Lewis stars in Paul Ricard test
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Lewis Hamilton is doing his best to keep the hype alive after setting the quickest time in testing in France.
Eleven teams were present and each team sent one driver around the short and tight 2D SC course at Paul Ricard which simulates the Monte Carlo circuit.
The McLaren driver proved that the Woking-based team should be well suited to the Monaco Grand Prix by setting the fastest time.
Championship rivals Ferrari were off the pace as the Spanish Grand Prix winner Felipe Massa managed the sixth best time of the day.
In windy conditions Toyota's Ralf Schumacher clocked the second quickest time while World Champions Renault showed improvement as Nelson Piquet Jr finished third fastest and completed 125 laps.
Red Bull's Mark Webber completed similar mileage on the way to finishing fourth quickest as the Austrian team continues to evaluate their new seamless shift gearbox.
On the back of his sixth-place finish in Spain Nico Rosberg set the fifth fastest time in his Williams.


Stewart questions Kimi`s commitment
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Sir Jackie Stewart has questions Kimi Raikkonen's commitment after the Finn stormed away from the Barcelona circuit following his retirement on Sunday.
Raikkonen failed to see the checkered flag in Sunday's Spanish Grand Prix after an electrical problem forced him to park his car.
However, rather than stay behind to watch team-mate Felipe Massa's victory, Raikkonen was reportedly on his way to the airport less than half an hour after retiring from the race.
The Finn's actions have - not for the first time - raised doubts about his commitment to Formula One, with Stewart claiming that Raikkonen isn't willing to make the sacrifices needed to become a World Champion.
"It is an attitude, a mentality, a way of doing business. Our lifestyle, mind, make-up was different from a Raikkonen - or for that matter a Jenson Button," the former World Champion told the Daily Express.
"There are other things in Raikkonen's life he still wishes to carry on doing.
"He doesn't seem prepared to make the sacrifice of reducing the lifestyle he has chosen because he enjoys it. He is not prepared to compromise.
"That is why Hamilton has the opportunity to be dominant over time and Raikkonen doesn't, unless something substantial changes."


STR deny 2007 race-seat for Senna
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The Senna name could return to the Formula One grid - but not in 2007.
Bruno Senna, the nephew of the late three-time world champion Ayrton Senna, won his first race in GP2, F1's feeder series, in Spain at the weekend.
Speculation has mounted that Toro Rosso boss Gerhard Berger, who drove
alongside Ayrton Senna at McLaren between 1990 and 1992, will ditch one of Scott Speed or Tonio Luizzi after a poor start to the season to accommodate the 23-year-old.
However, speaking to Bild newspaper, Berger revealed that Bruno Senna will have to wait until "2008 at the earliest" for his big break in F1.
It is also reported that Champ Car star Sebastien Bourdais will be given the second seat in a revamped driver line-up for next season.



and on the 10 conclusion, I do not agree on Fernando is struggling. It's more on him not suited to the car the way he liked. The McLaren is vastly different from the Renault, and Martin Whitemarsh himself said that it would be a difficult car for Fernando who was accustomed to the Renault. It's the same with Kimi, and like I've said before, it's not a suprise to see Massa and Lewis faster than Fernando or Kimi. Massa having developed the Ferrari himself during the season, and Lewis has no prior F1 drive, thus he's more adaptable.


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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ May 16 2007, 12:50 AM)
true la that alonso he no brains think 1 only think himself is always right
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yes, and you could say that to schumacher when he drove into the wall under pressure with hill steaming up behind him, and what did he do? he went straight into hill to make sure hill retired, thus winning the 1994 world championship. And like he said, Hill should have make way for him, ironically he had broken his suspension at the time and was due to retire anyway.
While you can say what you want watching from the outside, can you say the same when you are in the cockpit? even on the onboard shot of the McLaren, it looked like he gave massa enough room, and Massa still barge into him. Massa could have taken that corner without barging, and that's what Fernando was angry about as it could have ruined both of the cars, not mentioning causing a pile up.

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nicely put ... i hope all of u alonso haters grow up and think before you say anything stupid. laugh.gif
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post May 17 2007, 12:23 AM

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The direction Alonso was going is too deep into turn 1. Massa is in between Alonso car and the curb, where has he left to go? As for Alonso, he could have take the inside of turn 2 right? Why have to go so deep into turn 1 knowing that there is a car there, for god sake. Alonso direction was not parallel to the racing line. Massa had the racing line and has every right to keep it.

Alonso touches and swerve left probably in his attempt to avoid contact, but it was a little too late. If Alonso car was push that far off track by the contact alone, Massa's suspension would have been broken to bits. What Alonso did there, perhaps save both cars. I would say good reaction there.

It's just a pure racing incident that even Alonso himself refuse to be dragged into blaming Massa. He said that in the post race conference. He repeatedly said that he only says that there was a high chance both car will damage, and that the press keeps wanting to drag him into blaming Massa which he will not. Even Haug said it was a racing incident.
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QUOTE(neozero @ May 16 2007, 03:00 AM)
Massa would become a serious contender to the championship rather tan kimi who would be unable 2 finish atleast half of the races for burning engine and other failure due to lack of knowledge of the car. massa has the raw speed of senna ... if he skill improve abit more, he would rally be a top gun
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doh.gif the joke of the race.welldone.
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he must be talking about bruno senna laugh.gif

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Or mrs senna? Yes, massa is good, but not THAT good.
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QUOTE(Hornet @ May 17 2007, 12:23 AM)
The direction Alonso was going is too deep into turn 1. Massa is in between Alonso car and the curb, where has he left to go? As for Alonso, he could have take the inside of turn 2 right? Why have to go so deep into turn 1 knowing that there is a car there, for god sake. Alonso direction was not parallel to the racing line. Massa had the racing line and has every right to keep it.

Alonso touches and swerve left probably in his attempt to avoid contact, but it was a little too late. If Alonso car was push that far off track by the contact alone, Massa's suspension would have been broken to bits. What Alonso did there, perhaps save both cars. I would say good reaction there.

It's just a pure racing incident that even Alonso himself refuse to be dragged into blaming Massa. He said that in the post race conference. He repeatedly said that he only says that there was a high chance both car will damage, and that the press keeps wanting to drag him into blaming Massa which he will not. Even Haug said it was a racing incident.
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Why are we still arguing about this? Alonso felt clearly that he had given enough space. Massa HAD enough space. But he chose not to let go of his position. End of story. Here are pics that proves that there was enough space
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It's not like Alonso squeezed him onto the grass. Massa could have used the curb and both of them could have gotten through without touching each other. But of course that meant Massa letting Alonso pass him which he wasn't about to do.
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QUOTE(adrian0229 @ May 16 2007, 11:20 AM)
actly y renault so slow ya?izit bcoz of the setting?engine?car chassis? or tyre (chg from michelin to bridgestone)?
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have a hunch Carlos Ghosn is throttling their development budget. still they manage double constructor's championships with lean budgets b4, hope they rediscover their mojo soon icon_rolleyes.gif
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Thiessen worries over street safety
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BMW Sauber boss Mario Theissen has expressed concern that Formula One's new street circuits could compromise safety.
Valencia and Singapore will join the calendar from next season, followed in 2009 by an Abu Dhabi track that incorporates some of the city's roads.
Singapore will hold the sport's first night-time grand prix, further adding to the uncertainty, as well as the spectacle, that is a feature of motorsport held within cities.
"Racing on street circuits in city centres is spectacular and improves the show," said Theissen.
"That's something we support - as long as the stringent safety standards are met.
"It has to be admitted that realising these safety standards in street races is difficult.
"Nonetheless, the safety of all those involved must be the top priority when it comes to the evaluation of street circuits."
Since the US GP left downtown Phoenix in 1991, Monaco has been the only dedicated street venue on the calendar, although tracks in Melbourne and Montreal utilise public park roads.

I AGREE!!! Street circuit attract popularity because the lack of it. More street circuit means it's getting more and more diluted. And like hell I want another track that does not warrant overtaking




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typical massuck childish like his mentor

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QUOTE(TOYO @ May 17 2007, 11:37 AM)
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typical massuck childish like his mentor
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wat's wrong wit him trying his best not 2 let d ape overtake.. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Amanda85 @ May 17 2007, 12:01 PM)
wat's wrong wit him trying his best not 2 let d ape overtake.. whistling.gif
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There's nothing wrong. But there's nothing wrong with what Alonso did either.
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QUOTE(Amanda85 @ May 17 2007, 12:01 PM)
wat's wrong wit him trying his best not 2 let d ape overtake.. whistling.gif
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and what if alonso do the same at the second corner? he got the inside line... whistling.gif u do the thinking

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bah ... massa will continue driving like that and one day he'll colide with someone or just have his own suspension damaged ... that would teach him a lesson.

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QUOTE(verx @ May 17 2007, 11:10 AM)
Why are we still arguing about this? Alonso felt clearly that he had given enough space. Massa HAD enough space. But he chose not to let go of his position. End of story. Here are pics that proves that there was enough space
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It's not like Alonso squeezed him onto the grass. Massa could have used the curb and both of them could have gotten through without touching each other. But of course that meant Massa letting Alonso pass him which he wasn't about to do.
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Turn 2 turn 2 and turn 2
Turn 2 is a left hander, if you see the tires marks, massa is going in parallel with the racing line. Going on the curbs means that massa will loose his grip and risk spinning 2. into mr alfonso car anyway.

1. Why did Alonso feel the need to go further into turn one when they are both approaching turn 2?

2. Had Alonso kept his line and take the inside of turn 2, don't you think Alonso actually stand a chance to stay ahead of Massa? (He was ahead of massa at that point, taking the inside of turn 2 gives him further advantage, and may allow him to take the line into turn 3)

3. Had Alonso been in Massa place, do you think Alonso would slow down and let Massa go?

4. As Hamilton pointed out, Alonso almost collided with him when he was rushing to joint back in track, do you think that move was done with safety in mind for Alonso's part?

5. Do you think then, that both Massa and Alonso are driving unnecessarily dangerously or they are merely just racing?

I'd say they both are top drivers and that's how racing is. Nobody compromise.

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Listen what a former Formula One driver has to say tongue.gif

See how close Alonso's front right tyre nearly hitted Hamilton and Kimi's left rear tyre sweat.gif



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QUOTE(Hornet @ May 17 2007 @ 12:49 PM )
Turn 2 turn 2 and turn 2
Turn 2 is a left hander, if you see the tires marks, massa is going in parallel with the racing line. Going on the curbs means that massa will loose his grip and risk spinning 2. into mr alfonso car anyway.

1. Why did Alonso feel the need to go further into turn one when they are both approaching turn 2?

2. Had Alonso kept his line and take the inside of turn 2, don't you think Alonso actually stand a chance to stay ahead of Massa? (He was ahead of massa at that point, taking the inside of turn 2 gives him further advantage, and may allow him to take the line into turn 3)

3. Had Alonso been in Massa place, do you think Alonso would slow down and let Massa go?

4. As Hamilton pointed out, Alonso almost collided with him when he was rushing to joint back in track, do you think that move was done with safety in mind for Alonso's part?

5. Do you think then, that both Massa and Alonso are driving unnecessarily dangerously or they are merely just racing?

I'd say they both are top drivers and that's how racing is. Nobody compromise.


hihi r blind or something? u can see alonso squeezed massuck into turn 1 but u can't see massuck squeez alonso into turn 2? WTF...alonso willing to go into the dust but why massuck not willing to that in turn 1?

and for what appeton said, it just ALMOST,in F1 every inche is counted...if u see the video replay u can see alonso rejoined into the track but not into the racing line which is appeton using

if alonso in massuck place,he will be far ahead laugh.gif
what i think is, massuck is being childish n alonso just being matured and not being selfish

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QUOTE(TOYO @ May 17 2007, 01:21 PM)
what i think is, massuck is being childish n alonso just being matured and not being selfish
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yeah...he shld juz keep on wit his 2nd position...n never did all d maneuver.. whistling.gif then afterall he can avoid himself eating up dust...

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