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post Jul 16 2016, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(e_X @ Jul 14 2016, 11:53 PM)
Thanks zenix
How about Vios 2008?
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Old tech engine = cheap to maintain and decent fc, however travelling on highways often like you do you'll feel the car underpowered and fc not as good.
Safety = with just 2 airbags and an old tech chassis, i wouldn't say it is safe for highways speeds.



4 star for adult occupant
48% for child occupant

do you really want to buy this?

there was a reason why i didn't even bother to talk about this crap in my first reply.

QUOTE(nabelon @ Jul 16 2016, 12:27 AM)
Hi there. Any mechanic offering car checkup service for used vehicle ?
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nope, they'd make more money fixing cars then going with you on a joyride.
if you have a mechanic/workshop you always go to and trust them.
drive the used car over the workshop then ask them to inspect it there.
if the seller disagree then find another seller, or just pay rm5 for the petrol.
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post Jul 16 2016, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Jul 16 2016, 11:10 AM)
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Yes including local cars smile.gif
the lowest spec almera only have one airbags seems not up to standard
Umm and the car above are above 60k ohmy.gif
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are there any known problems/issues with Kia Cerato 1.6l SX? I plan to use the car for more than 5 years (typically 8-10years) and do mostly driving in KL/PJ and weekly to Putrjaya, occasionally (monthly) trip outstation
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post Jul 16 2016, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(young_97 @ Jul 16 2016, 11:33 AM)
Yes including local cars smile.gif
the lowest spec almera only have one airbags seems not up to standard
Umm and the car above are above 60k ohmy.gif
Thanks
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I think for your budget the best (on paper) in terms of FC and Safety would be Perodua's new car the Bezza as the advance version comes with quite alot of stuff including ESC.

2015 Honda Jazz Hybrid 1.3 - if you're willing to look into used cars here is an option you can consider. It looks like a showroom/demo car in a used car dealer lot. Although stated manufactured in 2015 do check the car card of the original manufactured date because I think 2015 is when it got registered not manufactured as if I am not mistaken Honda Malaysia received a few batches of these Japan CBU's which I think the last batch was in 2014 so it could be made in 2013, anyway don't worry about it being that old if it is really a showroom car the mileage and usage shouldn't be very high. And there is a longer warranty period (from Honda) for all HYbrids so don't worry the warranty starts from the date of registration so if it is registered in 2015 you have until 2020 to make a claim (or maybe by Wawasan 2020 Proton already better than Honda).

In terms of FC you can't beat a hybrid, it will be better than anything else on the market. I've driven this car before it feels very powerful and peppy for a Hybrid thanks to the IMA boost and CVT gearbox. Don't worry about this CVT it is made in Japan so quality assured just remember to maintain it well, the only expensive part about maintenance for this car is the CVT gearbox fluids as the 1300cc engine doesn't require much TLC and the IMA (electric engine) requires almost no maintenance.

In terms of safety you've the full gamut of features from ABS, EBD, BA, VSA and 6 airbags. Also comes with ISOFIX seats (baby chair). It is pretty loaded and if you sit inside this Hybrid and the ones made in Thailand (the ordinary Jazz) the materials and build quality is vastly superior.

As close to a new car with all the benefits you need and more under budget. This used to be a 90k car if sold new laugh.gif
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post Jul 16 2016, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Jul 16 2016, 11:10 AM)



One is a used D-segment car another is a new C-segment car.
Apple and Watermelon cannot be compared.


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I know that , but the civic has as much interior space as the mazda 6. Also the ride and handling has also improved for the civic.
This is like comparing an apple which is as big as a watermelon. Different and yet roughly the same.




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post Jul 16 2016, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Jul 16 2016, 11:10 AM)
what to do?
people want cheap  rolleyes.gif
If 60k is the absolute number then your choices are pretty limited to Nissan Almera (lowest spec), Toyota Vios (J-spec) or Mitsubishi Attrage.
Any of these cars interest you?
FC wise Almera/Attrage doesn't cut it unless you drive like a grandpa.
Vios is pretty decent for FC but technology wise it is pretty dated.
Safety wise in this price range there isn't anything amazing.

Things would change if you want to consider local cars from Proton/Perodua or even Koreans.
Let me know what you think.
One is a used D-segment car another is a new C-segment car.
Apple and Watermelon cannot be compared.

2011 Merc C200 - if you're thinking of the Civic Turbo then I'm assuming you've got the budget up until 130k with that kind of budget and your requirements why not consider a recon/unreg instead of used? You're able to fetch a pretty good Merc recon for that price. It would be a great family car because it is a C-Class it has the space, comfort, luxury and safety equipment you wanted in the Mazda6 but this C200 even has more and is better. Then it also has the performance you'd want from the Civic, as this is a 1800cc turbo charged engine (Merc lingo CGI engine = turbo), now this is not crazy performance turbo like that in an Evo. GTI or Impreza, like most modern turbo's it is meant more for fuel economy and passing emissions but c'mon it is a German car they don't make wimpy engines so it is going to be pretty quick much quicker than the Civic despite it's bulk but it is not going to surge ahead and give you whiplash like an Evo, you've gotta test drive to understand. Maintenance part well as you can see this model of Merc is everywhere and there are many Merc specialist around so don't worry about expensive maintenance, I'm not saying it is going to be cheap to maintain like a Civic it would be in the range of a Mazda6, Camry, and other D-segments generally. An advantage of recons/unreg over used is dealer warranty and new car interest rates.
Lol! twice you defended the Mazda2 without backup, i guess you really like it, just buy it then  brows.gif
What you mean buy buy tax and fc tak buli?  confused.gif
That's just silly nonsense excuse to exclude City  laugh.gif
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Oops. Its a typo. Should me fluenc can buy but the fc and road tax seems abit high for me. Somewhat they discontinued it and replaced with megene? I am not so clear about it.

Next is when telling my parents about fluency they kind of object it. What to do haha. They are deciding factor also. Actually I keep thinking the pros over m2 is it just space? If yes, seems not worth because I always drive alone.

But actually is kind of weird no seeing much m2 otr compared to city. And I like something unique which not everyone having. Don't know why haha. That's why I take both cold car into consideration.

Besides finance is main point also. After long thinking, 20k is pretty much, if chosen over Renault.

Need your much guidance in automotive field haha

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QUOTE(Drian @ Jul 16 2016, 12:43 PM)
I know that , but the civic has as much interior space as the mazda 6. Also the ride and handling has also improved for the civic. 
This is like comparing an apple which is as big as a watermelon. Different and yet roughly the same.
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kinda true.... went to see the civic, its a roomy car, if im not wrong, around 50L dif between the 2 in terms of interior space..... which do you like better?
both are very pretty cars, both come laoded with safety, just that one is newer and isnt exactly proven at the moment
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jul 16 2016, 12:57 PM)
Oops. Its a typo. Should me fluenc can buy but the fc and road tax seems abit high for me. Somewhat they discontinued it and replaced with megene? I am not so clear about it.

Next is when telling my parents about fluency they kind of object it. What to do haha. They are deciding factor also. Actually I keep thinking the pros over m2 is it just space? If yes, seems not worth because I always drive alone.

But actually is kind of weird no seeing much m2 otr compared to city. And I like something unique which not everyone having. Don't know why haha. That's why I take both cold car into consideration.

Besides finance is main point also. After long thinking,  20k is pretty much, if chosen over Renault.

Need your much guidance in automotive field haha
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if you are paying for it, i dont think your parrents really have much of a say in this, your money mah, anything wrong also keluar ur pocket haha. If they are helping pay or something then well, i think u better just drop the fluence... laterone, lets say something happens, they will harp about it all the time mega_shok.gif

if you really like the mazda, go for it! since you dont really have passengers, space should not have been a concern in the 1st place (at least you can still pick passangers up when the need arises, my car is too cramp, backseats work for legless, headless mutant humans only)

as for why you dont see so many m2's compared to hondas, well, the honda is a better 'overall' package, its a clever design packed with the latest tech and comes with lots of toys hence why its so popular
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Been on the hunt for cars for quite some time now. So many choices in second hand market ! Cant decide as c segment b segment d segment all overlapnin pricing !
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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Jul 16 2016, 02:05 PM)
if you are paying for it, i dont think your parrents really have much of a say in this, your money mah, anything wrong also keluar ur pocket haha. If they are helping pay or something then well, i think u better just drop the fluence... laterone, lets say something happens, they will harp about it all the time mega_shok.gif

if you really like the mazda, go for it! since you dont really have passengers, space should not have been a concern in the 1st place (at least you can still pick passangers up when the need arises, my car is too cramp, backseats work for legless, headless mutant humans only)

as for why you dont see so many m2's compared to hondas, well, the honda is a better 'overall' package, its a clever design packed with the latest tech and comes with lots of toys hence why its so popular
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ok for now, hi, i am back i will stick with proton iriz 1.6 exec mt but perodua bezza makes me to rethink about the car that i am choosing right now which is proton iriz 1.6 exec mt and it's engine is is toyota vios's engine even though it is 1.0-1.3 litre but i still have to wait for new persona and new saga to see what engine are they using
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QUOTE(nabelon @ Jul 16 2016, 01:07 PM)
Been on the hunt for cars for quite some time now. So many choices in second hand market ! Cant decide as c segment b segment d segment all overlapnin pricing  !
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i have a solution for you....ask yourself
1)Can i afford the d segment running/maintenance costs?
if no well obviously you can just give up on the idea, if yes continue to question2
2)Do i need the space
if yes, then you need a d seg or bigger, if no you may continue to question 3
3)Why do i want a d segment
if you can convince yourself you want/need one, get one! otherwise why consider getting one?

QUOTE(andrewyu2005 @ Jul 16 2016, 01:19 PM)
ok for now, hi, i am back i will stick with proton iriz 1.6 exec mt but perodua bezza makes me to rethink about the car that i am choosing right now which is proton iriz 1.6 exec mt and it's engine is is toyota vios's engine even though it is 1.0-1.3 litre but i still have to wait for new persona and new saga to see what engine are they using
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which expert told you it is using a vios engine this time..... 1.0 and 1.3 are not even the same engines

proton,s 1.3 and 1.6 campros are basically twins with dif internals (crank shaft, pistons, that stuff), so yes one can call them basically the same engine (ecu is also the same) but this and the vios... NO

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Jul 16 2016, 02:30 PM)
i have a solution for you....ask yourself
1)Can i afford the d segment running/maintenance costs?
if no well obviously you can just give up on the idea, if yes continue to question2
2)Do i need the space
if yes, then you need a d seg or bigger, if no you may continue to question 3
3)Why do i want a d segment
if you can convince yourself you want/need one, get one! otherwise why consider getting one?
which expert told you it is using a vios engine this time.....  1.0 and 1.3 are not even the same engines

proton,s 1.3 and 1.6 campros are basically twins with dif internals (crank shaft, pistons, that stuff), you yes one can call them basically the same engine (ecu is also the same) but this and the vios... NO
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thank you for correcting my mistakes.pERODUA bezza's engine for standard manual and auto are 1.0l 1kr-ve with vvt-i and for the premium and advanced mt and auto are 1.3l 1nr-ve with dual vvt-i.But for all of the variants of toyota vios are running 1.5 1NZ-FE 4-cylinder, In-line, 16-Valve, DOHC with VVT-i

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QUOTE(roadie @ Jul 16 2016, 11:55 AM)
are there any known problems/issues with Kia Cerato 1.6l SX? I plan to use the car for more than 5 years (typically 8-10years) and do mostly driving in KL/PJ and weekly to Putrjaya, occasionally (monthly) trip outstation
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Honestly it is crap.
If you're thinking of long term look for a Japanese car that doesn't use CVT.

QUOTE(Drian @ Jul 16 2016, 12:43 PM)
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So you rather buy a Mazda6 at 100k without warranty than consider an unreg Merc with warranty rclxub.gif

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It is true that the Mazda2 (not freaking M2 ok?) uses Skyactiv technology so it's fuel economy is close to that of a hybrid. If you wanna compare it that way then all B-segment cars no need to talk already. I find it kinda cramped but if you're not big sized and tall and you're a lonely driver usually and mostly for work and without family man duty then Mazda2 is the car, no need think already.

If you got go outstation and need bigger car for family man duty then you need a C-segment like the Fluence/Sylpy, else you're better off with a B-segment. Road tax is something that comes up once a year so if you can't pay that 300+ once a year for road tax you should stop thinking even of B-segment maybe your finances more suitable for A-segment car like Attrage or local car like Perodua Bezza. Also you like having a unique car but do you know that uniqueness means less critical mass means less distributors would bother to keep parts for it meaning you're going to get locked in to only buying parts at a higher price from the SC/3S. So if you cannot afford that roadtax, don't talk about this factor, you should be finding the cheapest thing on the market. I'm suggest maybe Vios.

QUOTE(nabelon @ Jul 16 2016, 01:07 PM)
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Step1: think of what you will use it for.
Step2: how much you can afford to pay every month to the bank? or one lump sum?
Step3: how much you can afford for maintenance every 2-3 months?

then only look for a car.
looking for car then fitting it into those steps above is the wrong way about it.

QUOTE(andrewyu2005 @ Jul 16 2016, 01:19 PM)
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LOL!
It is true that Daihatsu/Perodua source their engines nowadays from Toyota for their cars but the 1300cc in the Bezza isn't even the same as the 1300cc in the Myvi so how come you're so confident it is the same as the 1500cc in the Vios? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Jul 16 2016, 01:30 PM)
which expert told you it is using a vios engine this time.....  1.0 and 1.3 are not even the same engines
proton,s 1.3 and 1.6 campros are basically twins with dif internals (crank shaft, pistons, that stuff), you yes one can call them basically the same engine (ecu is also the same) but this and the vios... NO
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QUOTE(zenix @ Jul 16 2016, 02:52 PM)
Honestly it is crap.
If you're thinking of long term look for a Japanese car that doesn't use CVT.
So you rather buy a Mazda6 at 100k without warranty than consider an unreg Merc with warranty  rclxub.gif
It is true that the Mazda2 (not freaking M2 ok?) uses Skyactiv technology so it's fuel economy is close to that of a hybrid. If you wanna compare it that way then all B-segment cars no need to talk already. I find it kinda cramped but if you're not big sized and tall and you're a lonely driver usually and mostly for work and without family man duty then Mazda2 is the car, no need think already.

If you got go outstation and need bigger car for family man duty then you need a C-segment like the Fluence/Sylpy, else you're better off with a B-segment. Road tax is something that comes up once a year so if you can't pay that 300+ once a year for road tax you should stop thinking even of B-segment maybe your finances more suitable for A-segment car like Attrage or local car like Perodua Bezza. Also you like having a unique car but do you know that uniqueness means less critical mass means less distributors would bother to keep parts for it meaning you're going to get locked in to only buying parts at a higher price from the SC/3S. So if you cannot afford that roadtax, don't talk about this factor, you should be finding the cheapest thing on the market. I'm suggest maybe Vios.
Step1: think of what you will use it for.
Step2: how much you can afford to pay every month to the bank? or one lump sum?
Step3: how much you can afford for maintenance every 2-3 months?

then only look for a car.
looking for car then fitting it into those steps above is the wrong way about it.
LOL!
It is true that Daihatsu/Perodua source their engines nowadays from Toyota for their cars but the 1300cc in the Bezza isn't even the same as the 1300cc in the Myvi so how come you're so confident it is the same as the 1500cc in the Vios?  rclxub.gif
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thank you for correcting my mistakes too.My favourite b segment hatchback car is still proton iriz. And my favourite A segment sedan cars are Perodua Bezza and New Proton Saga. my favourite B segment car sedan are toyota vios and Honda City and New Persona. My favourite c segment car sedan are proton preve cfe and Honda Civic.And My favourite c segment hatchback car is Proton Suprima S. My favourite d segment car are Nissan Teana and Toyota Camry Hybrid not Honda Accord(8th (Proton Perdana)and 9th generation and Sam loo's favourite car Toyota Camry 2.0) My favourtie mpv is New/current Proton Exora CFE.

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Jul 16 2016, 01:05 PM)
if you are paying for it, i dont think your parrents really have much of a say in this, your money mah, anything wrong also keluar ur pocket haha. If they are helping pay or something then well, i think u better just drop the fluence... laterone, lets say something happens, they will harp about it all the time mega_shok.gif

if you really like the mazda, go for it! since you dont really have passengers, space should not have been a concern in the 1st place (at least you can still pick passangers up when the need arises, my car is too cramp, backseats work for legless, headless mutant humans only)

as for why you dont see so many m2's compared to hondas, well, the honda is a better 'overall' package, its a clever design packed with the latest tech and comes with lots of toys hence why its so popular
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QUOTE(zenix @ Jul 16 2016, 01:52 PM)
Honestly it is crap.
If you're thinking of long term look for a Japanese car that doesn't use CVT.
So you rather buy a Mazda6 at 100k without warranty than consider an unreg Merc with warranty  rclxub.gif
It is true that the Mazda2 (not freaking M2 ok?) uses Skyactiv technology so it's fuel economy is close to that of a hybrid. If you wanna compare it that way then all B-segment cars no need to talk already. I find it kinda cramped but if you're not big sized and tall and you're a lonely driver usually and mostly for work and without family man duty then Mazda2 is the car, no need think already.

If you got go outstation and need bigger car for family man duty then you need a C-segment like the Fluence/Sylpy, else you're better off with a B-segment. Road tax is something that comes up once a year so if you can't pay that 300+ once a year for road tax you should stop thinking even of B-segment maybe your finances more suitable for A-segment car like Attrage or local car like Perodua Bezza. Also you like having a unique car but do you know that uniqueness means less critical mass means less distributors would bother to keep parts for it meaning you're going to get locked in to only buying parts at a higher price from the SC/3S. So if you cannot afford that roadtax, don't talk about this factor, you should be finding the cheapest thing on the market. I'm suggest maybe Vios.
Step1: think of what you will use it for.
Step2: how much you can afford to pay every month to the bank? or one lump sum?
Step3: how much you can afford for maintenance every 2-3 months?

then only look for a car.
looking for car then fitting it into those steps above is the wrong way about it.
LOL!
It is true that Daihatsu/Perodua source their engines nowadays from Toyota for their cars but the 1300cc in the Bezza isn't even the same as the 1300cc in the Myvi so how come you're so confident it is the same as the 1500cc in the Vios?  rclxub.gif
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Well, yea they are actually paying it. They wanted to buy me a new one last year but I refused because I think that current ride still can be used then why go get new one. But I was wrong, I never know that my sis who drive it for the past few years, we give her a good condition car and she never bother to maintain it properly. End up, when I am using it, my parent need to change so many compartment. Tires, water tank, battery, absorber rear, shaft, suspension, belt, mounting, bulb, eo, auto oil, sparks plugs, thermostats, air filter, scratch marks at rear and front bumper, dents from and back which ketuk back with poor workmanship, we asked is it dented before she says no well its pretty obvious women....
Initially my plan was using it until I get a job then only get myself a new ride. End up last month they offered me to change new car.....

My opt now will still maz2 and city. Will test drive it only decide. Thanks for the head up.
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QUOTE(andrewyu2005 @ Jul 16 2016, 01:59 PM)
thank you for correcting my  mistakes too.My favourite b segment hatchback car is still proton iriz. And my favourite A segment  sedan cars are Perodua Bezza and New Proton Saga. my favourite B segment car sedan are toyota vios and Honda City and New Persona. My favourite c segment car sedan are  proton preve cfe and Honda Civic.And My favourite c segment hatchback car is Proton Suprima S. My favourite d segment car are Nissan Teana and Toyota Camry Hybrid not Honda Accord(8th (Proton Perdana)and 9th generation and Sam loo's favourite car Toyota Camry 2.0) My favourtie mpv is  New/current Proton Exora CFE.
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Dude, since proton is in your favourite list. I guess its good for you and budgets wise, you will like in in anyway.
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jul 16 2016, 03:24 PM)
Dude, since proton is in your favourite list. I guess its good for you and budgets wise, you will like in in anyway.
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thank you so much for your complement.
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jul 16 2016, 03:24 PM)
Dude, since proton is in your favourite list. I guess its good for you and budgets wise, you will like in in anyway.
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thank you so much for your complement.
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jul 16 2016, 02:22 PM)
Well, yea they are actually paying it. They wanted to buy me a new one last year but I refused because I think that current ride still can be used then why go get new one. But I was wrong, I never know that my sis who drive it for the past few years, we give her a good condition car and she never bother to maintain it properly. End up, when I am using it, my parent need to change so many compartment. Tires, water tank, battery, absorber rear, shaft, suspension, belt, mounting, bulb, eo, auto oil, sparks plugs, thermostats, air filter, scratch marks at rear and front bumper, dents from and back which ketuk back with poor workmanship, we asked is it dented before she says no well its pretty obvious women....
Initially my plan was using it until I get a job then only get myself a new ride. End up last month they offered me to change new car.....

My opt now will still maz2 and city. Will test drive it only decide. Thanks for the head up.
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macam tu, maybe can just forget the fluence, i guess you are a non married young fella so, no real need for such a big car anyway......

actually it sounds like you have done alot of repairs on the vios.... why not keep it around for a while since its fine now. Sounds like an older car so, u wont lose that much in resale even if u keep it around anyway.

QUOTE(andrewyu2005 @ Jul 16 2016, 02:29 PM)
thank you so much for your complement.
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dont think that was a complement......

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