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 Fixed Deposit Rates In Malaysia V. No.13, Strictly for FD Discussion Only

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okuribito
post Jun 23 2016, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Jun 23 2016, 05:48 PM)
Bro, for the GIA-i issue that few of us encountered, it is NOT due to the 366/365 days issue. We know how to calculate based on 366 days. Maybank is using 366 days for this year.

Your GIA issue could be it did not changed from 4% to 4.5% from 7th month on. biggrin.gif

MBB did NOT change from using 366 days to 365 days.
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Yeah I saw y'all post about them not adjusting 7th mth onwards so I went to check lor. But shit, the diff was few sen, so I did not crunch the numbers in fine detail. Lemme check again. But one thing lar.... the discrepancy DID NOT happen only for the crossover mth iirc. Anyhow, will check with microscope again . TQ

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post Jun 23 2016, 06:19 PM

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QUOTE(okuribito @ Jun 23 2016, 06:09 PM)
Yeah I saw y'all post about them not adjusting 7th mth onwards so I went to check lor. But shit, the diff was few sen, so I did not crunch the numbers in fine detail. Lemme check again. But one thing lar.... the discrepancy DID NOT happen only for the crossover mth iirc. Anyhow, will check with microscope again . TQ
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Bro, for my case, MBB has admitted the error. They are manually crediting the interest to me. For May month the extra is >RM15. Not small neither big. By 12th month, the difference total is RM185.
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post Jun 23 2016, 06:21 PM

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hsbc fixed deposit term
Where the Bank receives an instruction to place a fixed deposit by clearance of a cheque deposited by the customer, the Bank will value date the fixed deposit to the date on which funds are received by the Bank after clearance of the cheque;
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any other bank here follows?
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post Jun 23 2016, 06:35 PM

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AmBank aims to attract RM1.8b more in fixed deposits
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post Jun 23 2016, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Jun 23 2016, 06:19 PM)
Bro, for my case, MBB has admitted the error. They are manually crediting the interest to me. For May month the extra is >RM15. Not small neither big. By 12th month, the difference total is RM185.
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OK boss bbgoat, I checked mine already. For my case lar, dunno about urs, I was given 4.5% in May based on 366 days on the dot ie calculations to the dot.

For Jan 2016, I got 4%. But the base was using both 365 days and 366 days because I placed the deposit on 25th of the month ie 6 days for 26/12/2015 to 31/12 on 365 days base and 1/1/2016 to 25/1/2016 on 366 days base. The calculation was out by 1 sen only this time.

Up to you lar. If you happy, then thumbsup.gif Else, you can check calculations like I did.

Then again, different branch may work differently... heaven knows how Maybank actually work. Also I haven't checked if they gave me any credit in June smile.gif

btw, your 15 for 31 days in may at 0.5% interest diff tells me that your principal is about 35big ones, right? If correct, then your branch actually did not change to 4.5% in 7th month. Mine did. Which tells me that is driven by branch smile.gif

If you want, can PM me your start date, principal and what u actually got credited for Jan 2016 & I can do the calculations for you smile.gif
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post Jun 23 2016, 06:55 PM

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Sorry, I looked and searched, can't seem to locate any earlier answer:

MBB GIA-i, "Rate as declared on maturity date"

Does it mean the rate is only known when you uplift? So perhaps less than 12 months might be better in these volatile times?

Same tax regulations for this type of FD?

If compounded, added to principal, is it about the same as the eFD 2.0 ?


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post Jun 23 2016, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(oneeleven @ Jun 23 2016, 06:55 PM)
Sorry, I looked and searched, can't seem to locate any earlier answer:

MBB GIA-i, "Rate as declared on maturity date" 

Does it mean the rate is only known when you uplift? So perhaps less than 12 months might be better in these volatile times?

Same tax regulations for this type of FD? 

If compounded, added to principal, is it about the same as the eFD 2.0 ?
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Are you refering to eGIA-i or the GIA-i?
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post Jun 23 2016, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(oneeleven @ Jun 23 2016, 06:55 PM)
Sorry, I looked and searched, can't seem to locate any earlier answer:

MBB GIA-i, "Rate as declared on maturity date" 

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What does this rate refer to or affect? Is it the redemption rate ie on principal?

I get the impression from those who have been using GIA for short term "pocket money" that they get back their principal sum at 100%. Is that what u are referring to? I was also concerned because i remember they say something like redemption of the units at manager's quote/rate on redemption date (what I remember only & maybe not their exact words)

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QUOTE(okuribito @ Jun 23 2016, 07:13 PM)
What does this rate refer to or affect? Is it the redemption rate ie on principal?

I get the impression from those who have been using GIA for short term "pocket money" that they get back their principal sum at 100%. Is that what u are referring to? I was also concerned because i remember they say something like redemption of the units at manager's quote/rate on redemption date (what I remember only & maybe not their exact words)
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i thought e GIA-I interest calculated daily and deposit into ur savings acc once u did withdraw? hmm...
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post Jun 23 2016, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(okuribito @ Jun 23 2016, 06:49 PM)
OK boss bbgoat, I checked mine already. For my case lar, dunno about urs, I was given 4.5% in May based on 366 days on the dot ie calculations to the dot.

For  Jan 2016, I got 4%. But the base was using both 365 days and 366 days because I placed the deposit on 25th of the month ie 6 days for 26/12/2015 to 31/12 on 365 days base and 1/1/2016 to 25/1/2016 on 366 days base. The calculation was out by 1 sen only this time.

Up to you lar. If you happy, then  thumbsup.gif  Else, you can check calculations like I did.

Then again, different branch may work differently... heaven knows how Maybank actually work. Also I haven't checked if they gave me any credit in June smile.gif

btw, your 15 for 31 days in may at 0.5% interest diff tells me that your principal  is about 35big ones, right? If correct, then your branch actually did not change to 4.5% in 7th month. Mine did. Which tells me that is driven by branch smile.gif

If you want, can PM me your start date, principal and what u actually got credited for Jan 2016 & I can do the calculations for you smile.gif
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Bro, u miss out post talking about this issue few weeks back. The 7th mth 4.5% issue is NOT related to branch. One other forummer who has more than 1 placement on the same day said one of the placement on the 7th mth received 4.5% while another one received 4%. It is due to the coding error that the counter done wrongly in the MBB system.

As I said MBB has acknowledeged their error. Groups of people from my branch affected but probably some or most do not know unless they do the calculation and check the monthly interest.

The amount I placed is RM37k.

Thanks for your offer. I have been calculating the monthly interest exact to the last 3 digit of decimal points. tongue.gif

This post has been edited by bbgoat: Jun 23 2016, 08:17 PM
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post Jun 23 2016, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(aromachong @ Jun 23 2016, 07:55 PM)
i thought e GIA-I interest calculated daily and deposit into ur savings acc once u did withdraw? hmm...
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That's correct. thumbsup.gif
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post Jun 23 2016, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Jun 23 2016, 08:15 PM)
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Bro, u miss out post talking about this issue few weeks back. The 7th mth 4.5% issue is NOT related to branch. One other forummer who has more than 1 placement on the same day said one of the placement on the 7th mth received 4.5% while another one received 4%. It is due to the coding error that the counter done wrongly in the MBB system.

As I said MBB has acknowledeged their error. Groups of people from my branch affected but probably some or most do not know unless they do the calculation and check the monthly interest.

The amount I placed is RM37k.

Thanks for your offer. I have been calculating the monthly interest exact to the last 3 digit of decimal points.  tongue.gif
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post Jun 23 2016, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(okuribito @ Jun 23 2016, 08:24 PM)
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Actually the tricky part of monthly interest is some banks used 365 while others used 366 days for this year. Hahaha ! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Jun 23 2016, 10:31 AM)
is the adjustment interest amount = 1 day interest?
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Yup, 1 day interest.
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post Jun 23 2016, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 23 2016, 07:12 PM)
Are you refering to eGIA-i or the GIA-i?
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sorry to ask... i only went for the 4.5% effective rate offer last Oct. Is that GIA-i? Is eGIA-i the online version giving 4% now? If I go to counter now, can still get GIA-i? I don't expect 4.5% lar... got 4% also? TIA
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QUOTE(okuribito @ Jun 23 2016, 08:56 PM)
sorry to ask... i only went for the 4.5% effective rate offer last Oct. Is that GIA-i? Is eGIA-i the online version giving 4% now? If I go to counter now, can still get GIA-i? I don't expect 4.5% lar... got 4% also? TIA
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That's the promo GIA-i. Yes the eGIA-i is online version giving 4%. According to maybank page, can.
Maybank GIA-i
Seeing that it's not promo anymore, you won't get 4.5% but only 4%.

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post Jun 23 2016, 11:02 PM

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Next month my HLB mature. Hopefully still have affin bank @4.5%.
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post Jun 24 2016, 12:36 AM

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For STEP-UP type FD promotions, the effective rate quoted is a simplification. The actual effective rate depends on the particular month and whether you placed on the 29, 30 or 31.
ACTUAL accurate effective rate is the sum of the interests for each step period (number of days in step period / 365 x % step rate /100 x principal) divided by principal and multiplied by 365 / total number of days.
The SIMPLIFIED inaccurate effective rate used by the banks is calculated as if all the months have the same number of days, and the date near the month end does not matter at all.
For Maybank, the divisor is 365 or 366 depending on which year is involved for the December and January portions.
For those who qualify or get monthly payment of interests, you need to take into account that the bank needs to pay each month for those who did not avoid the 29, 30 and 31.
As for problems with rounding treatments, the simplest way out is to choose a multiple of 365 (or 366 for Maybank in 2016 tenor) which will give a fixed amount per day. For example Affin, rate 4.5%, principal 36,500, will give interest of 4.50 per day. Note that this calculation trick can work for any length of time except at Maybank on a leap year.

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Didnt log in for sometimes. Went to Public Bank, effective 20 June to end July. Fitst 6 months 4.1%, second 6 months 4.3%. Effective rate is 4.2% for 12 months. Most banks have reduced the rate, exception is certain branches of Affin bank
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post Jun 24 2016, 07:28 AM

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QUOTE(Deal Hunter @ Jun 24 2016, 12:36 AM)
For STEP-UP type FD promotions, the effective rate quoted is a simplification. The actual effective rate depends on the particular month and whether you placed on the 29, 30 or 31.
ACTUAL accurate effective rate is the sum of the interests for each step period (number of days in step period / 365 x % step rate /100 x principal) divided by principal and multiplied by 365 / total number of days.
The SIMPLIFIED inaccurate effective rate used by the banks is calculated as if all the months have the same number of days, and the date near the month end does not matter at all.  imho, banks cannot tell us our true effective rate unless they know exact date of the placement. you are right to assess it based on the total smile.gif
For Maybank, the divisor is 365 or 366 depending on which year is involved for the December and January portions.
For those who qualify or get monthly payment of interests, you need to take into account that the bank needs to pay each month for those who did not avoid the 29, 30 and 31.
As for problems with rounding treatments, the simplest way out is to choose a multiple of 365 (or 366 for Maybank in 2016 tenor) which will give a fixed amount per day. For example Affin, rate 4.5%, principal 36,500, will give interest of 4.50 per day. Note that this calculation trick can work for any length of time except at Maybank on a leap year.
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thumbsup.gif for taking the time to write that LOL

That's a good approach to use 36.500 principal for non-leap years. For maybank, how do you approach the issue where your 12mth term straddles a leap year? Which is what would happen in 99.9% of the time ... unless you place on 1/1/2016 smile.gif To me diff is immaterial but for others it might be significant. Curious

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