any idea if they will come up with a 3G model ?

i drool upon this phone...

it's indeed a revolutionary gadget...

one of the feature i like is the "slide to unlock"

ngek ngek ngek...
i want i want!~!!

Made for its own kind

I believe iPhone did not live to the Phone Industry standards. Its a GREAT device, trust me... I'm loving it... However, they fail to realize that it is a phone. Thus the iPhone is more of a 'Media Player' such as a Internet Browser and Music/Photos/Video Player. So its a Media Player built-in phone.

With the lack of the main high-end specifications, such as the obvious 3G, GPS, External Memory Card and a VGA internal camera. All these features cannot be upgraded as it requires hardware installation.

Some of you may or already did mention some lack of software features, such, Voice Recognition, Hand Writing Recognition, Java/ Flash Games and Applications, Office applications (Word, Excel, PDF, etc). I am not to worry about this, with an OS X in a phone, all this can be upgraded with future firmware or installation.

Thus this applies to my statement of iPhone being a more of a Media Player/iPod built-in phone, than a Phone built-in Media Player/iPod. From a statement from Mr Steve Jobs, "a phone at least 5 years ahead of the current phones," I agree in terms of software and OS only.. that is far as it goes. Whereas hardware wise, I can sadly say, they are atleast 5 years behind time.

Without 3G and Internal VGA camera, Video Calls (iChat) is out of the picture. For security, they can implement Face Recognition which my phone already have... which i bought nearly a year ago at 05, so that too is out of the picture. Interesting enough, Mr Steve Jobs did not even showed us a demo of how the 2MP camera works, yes maybe what he is holding is still a prototype, but since when does he hold and presents a prototype one might asked. Why? Not a good idea, because it may not be as good as the already high-end phones such Nokia Carl-Zeiss or SonyEriccson Cyber Shot phones?? Wait.. no Optical Zoom, for a phone that is 5 years ahead of its time? From the back, its just a tiny pin hole for a 2MP camera... the only pin hole camera size that can be that small and fit into a slim body is a VGA camera, that now is mainly found in the internal camera of a 3G phone that can be use as Video Calls. How can that be a 2MP camera?? Upscaled??

Still on the statement made by Mr Steve Jobs, such security mention above are not made for the iPhone, another security might be a finger print recognition that is already out in the market in Japan.. yes its a phone but he also did mention 5 years of its time.. maybe a software can be made for one to place its thumb on the Multi-Touch screen.. thats another Patent for you Mr Steve Jobs to add on the 200 Patents you already made on iPhone.

With all this disadvantages mention, would one buy an iPhone? I would, not because its an Apple. Its because they did Reinvented the phone, in its unique design and how a phone works. It is 1st of its kind, thus its is incomparable with any phone that is out in the market. Its not a Smart phone, not a PDA phone and not a phone. Its a whole new kind of phone. Its an iPhone.

Dude, there already is one. It's black and looks like an iPod nano. Mostly looks like sh*t la. But it was over at IPMart.com. I captured the screen and sent an email to Steve @ Apple before MacWorld. No reply though. The site seemed to have removed the link though, so good luck finding it. They branded it Apple iPhone, and sometimes with an 'l' at the end of iPhone. Prolly to keep Apple lawyers from suing.

Heh.

China is such a crappy, unoriginal place. They copy, mass market and sell things cheaply. But that's basically it, cheap and crap. Sorry for the rant.

That's quite an insightful comment shaznizzle. I share the same feelings. Where software and user interface is concerned, it's miles ahead of the competition, but where actual phone hardware and features, there are a lot of deficiencies. A Sony Ericsson would seriously kick the iPhone's ass (with buttons and all!). Having said that, it is still a cool phone/mediaplayer hybrid. And knowing Apple, this is only the beginning. Expect the next 6-12 months to be VERY VERY interesting.

I think Apple knows all these. They made a mistake once with the Newton (and it was way ahead of it's time in terms of technological features).

Erm... Phone industry standards? From what I see, Apple surpass many 'industry standards' and of course left out several features.

3G? How many people are actually using 3G at this moment? With it just being rolled out (in several locations in KL and Malaysia) and with WiMAX (and what was it? HSDPA?) in the horizon, 3G seems like it's gonna fade away fast. Plus, 3G isn't really popular over there in the States right? It's all marketing purpose, why bother adding something like 3G in your phone knowing well, that it would only incur extra cost and a lot of folks won't even really be able to use it. While I think EDGE sucks (slow man... haha), I also believe that Apple omitted 3G for a very good reason.

Handwriting recognition? What on earth for? The iPhone doesn't come with a stylus (thank God!! I hate the stylus!) so it doesn't need handwriting recognition. External memory? Ermm.. it comes with 4GB and 8GB (for now), most other mobile devices have Bluetooth so most folks would probably use BT to transfer files and backup their data on their computer instead of a external memory like SD, MMC, etc which is also a waste of money and IMHO, adding that memory reader into the iPhone really serves no purpose.

It doesn't come with a camera on the front. That's what I dislike about it. I guess Apple wants to put that in with the next upgrade (2nd gen) so that folks would upgrade. Yet, another marketing strategy. I'll have to go with them if I was working for Apple. You need to keep a few 'upgrades' up your sleeve to keep folks coming back to you. I guess with that, comes 'face recognition' though I've no idea what good that would do. Fingerprint recognition, adding scanning features on the screen again, adds to cost... personally, I wouldn't even wanna get a device/gadget that uses fingerprint recognition for security. I think I need not explain why. Might as well add a camera upfront that does retinal scans? Would that make you happy? hehe

Java/ Flash Games and Applications, Office applications (Word, Excel, PDF, etc)? Ermmm... that would have to come from software developers now, won't it? I only hope open source developers really release something ground breaking so that we don't have to rely on 'Microsoft Office for iPhone'. hehe

Is it a GREAT device. At first look, I wasn't impressed but when I watched the keynote, I was impressed and then now after re-looking at it, I'm really not that impressed. Maybe it's because our infrastructure here doesn't really allow us to fully utilise the capabilities of the iPhone, making it just another expensive toy.

Not everyone uses GPS. It should be coming but dude, this is the first version, what do u expect? With 4GB of flash, why they hell would anyone want memory cards that will make it thicker? And when Apple say that it's a 2MP, it is one. No upscaling.

The Safari is a full web browser. Chances are that it can play Java/Flash games. There's plenty of stuff that u mentioned, but how many of those cellphones does everything good. I've tried those high-end phones n their UI is hard to use, their feature is confusing. Don't judge how good a camera is by the megapixel hype. Cause my 3MP Canon can beat a hell lot of 5MP cameras. Uuu, look, i got a Nokia with Carl-Zeiss lens. Bullshit, for all u know they just sign agreement to use Carl-Zeiss name. Show me some photos, then decide. I don't blindly eat all those marketing hype after being scammed by Sony E anymore. It's about time someone scare the big players to give something that users want. If they can't even make loading the contacts fast enough, don't bother showing me the music player.

Have fun waiting 3 sec just to load ur contacts.

FREE Iphone at http://iphonecountdown.com/iphone_readymech.pdf . Get it now

This post has been edited by N0eL: Jan 11 2007, 04:43 PM

I think Apple knows all these. They made a mistake once with the Newton (and it was way ahead of it's time in terms of technological features).

Erm... Phone industry standards? From what I see, Apple surpass many 'industry standards' and of course left out several features.(Many?? Many?? Its mainly just the OS and a cool Multi-Touch thats it.)

3G? How many people are actually using 3G at this moment? With it just being rolled out (in several locations in KL and Malaysia) and with WiMAX (and what was it? HSDPA?) in the horizon, 3G seems like it's gonna fade away fast. Plus, 3G isn't really popular over there in the States right? It's all marketing purpose, why bother adding something like 3G in your phone knowing well, that it would only incur extra cost and a lot of folks won't even really be able to use it. (We're taling about people who can afford to buy a US$599 phone here?? Your like saying, a guy buys a PS3 but cant afford the games.... lol) While I think EDGE sucks (slow man... haha), I also believe that Apple omitted 3G for a very good reason.(3G is slow or not regardless, it is a High-End phone. Thus it should be a standard.. like it or not it is a bonus. What I realise that they didnt implement 3G is due to, no front camera.. thus no video calls means no need for 3G)

Handwriting recognition? What on earth for? The iPhone doesn't come with a stylus (thank God!! I hate the stylus!) so it doesn't need handwriting recognition (You can write it with your fingers, do you know how small the QWERTY keys are?? Pls visit http://www.apple.com/iphone/ right there in the 1st page you'll see an actual size of the iPhone.. try placing your thumb there.. the keys are small.. thats why you see Mr Steve Jobs typing with his index finger 1 by 1). External memory? Ermm.. it comes with 4GB and 8GB (for now), most other mobile devices have Bluetooth so most folks would probably use BT to transfer files and backup their data on their computer instead of a external memory like SD, MMC, etc which is also a waste of money and IMHO, adding that memory reader into the iPhone really serves no purpose.(You fail to realise, it will be faster and easier to transfer a whole loads of pictures and files to a computer easily with a external memory, regardless of the device having a 20GB HDD built in, No iTunes, No iPhone dock needed, means no fuss.. what happens when your using your friend's or the sch's pc?? No hope of transfering at all.. unless you bring your iPhone dock where ever you go and installing iTunes in every PC you use.. hhmmmm. I have a phone, but I do know for one thing for sure most user transfer their files using the external memory card.. or the universal USB drive. I dont think user transfer their 40-50 pictures using Bluetooth.)



It doesn't come with a camera on the front. That's what I dislike about it. I guess Apple wants to put that in with the next upgrade (2nd gen) so that folks would upgrade. Yet, another marketing strategy. I'll have to go with them if I was working for Apple. You need to keep a few 'upgrades' up your sleeve to keep folks coming back to you. (5 years of its time?? what next iPhone 2 comes with a front camera and he will say this is a phone 5 years ahead of its time, by then Nokia has HD camera equip in their Nseries) I guess with that, comes 'face recognition' though I've no idea what good that would do. Fingerprint recognition, adding scanning features on the screen again, adds to cost... personally, I wouldn't even wanna get a device/gadget that uses fingerprint recognition for security. (Trust me, in this world we're living right now, the best possible security is the best way to go)I think I need not explain why. Might as well add a camera upfront that does retinal scans? Would that make you happy? hehe (Possible, he did mention "5 years ahead of its time")

Java/ Flash Games and Applications, Office applications (Word, Excel, PDF, etc)? Ermmm... that would have to come from software developers now, won't it? I only hope open source developers really release something ground breaking so that we don't have to rely on 'Microsoft Office for iPhone'. hehe (I did mention, its not a issue at all, they can be installed or upgrade with future firmware)

Is it a GREAT device. At first look, I wasn't impressed but when I watched the keynote, I was impressed and then now after re-looking at it, I'm really not that impressed. Maybe it's because our infrastructure here doesn't really allow us to fully utilise the capabilities of the iPhone, making it just another expensive toy. (I think we do have the infrastructure, in terms of 3G. I have a 3G phone which I use Maxis 3G line, but how many do have a 3G line.. but have a 3G phone..?? Its all about, are we willing to spend, on what we have spent)

Yup I agree.. its all software for this phone. I believe they realised.. thats what they are all about... and thats not enough to take on the competition. So they added some cool hardware, like directional sensors, light sensor and multi-touch. Which I think was the highlight of the phone that can back it up to level with competitors, which is cool by me.

Not everyone uses GPS.(Majority does in the U.S and Japan) It should be coming but dude, this is the first version, what do u expect? (Yeap I agree, than the statement, 5 years of its time should not be made) With 4GB of flash, why they hell would anyone want memory cards that will make it thicker?(Thicker?? lol) And when Apple say that it's a 2MP, it is one. No upscaling. (I will be pissed if they did not)

The Safari is a full web browser. Chances are that it can play Java/Flash games. (Yup, if they didnt, it can be installed or upgrade with firmware. I did mention that) There's plenty of stuff that u mentioned, but how many of those cellphones does everything good. I've tried those high-end phones n their UI is hard to use, their feature is confusing. Don't judge how good a camera is by the megapixel hype. Cause my 3MP Canon can beat a hell lot of 5MP cameras. Uuu, look, i got a Nokia with Carl-Zeiss lens. Bullshit, for all u know they just sign agreement to use Carl-Zeiss name. (Yup true, Nokia Carl-Zeiss is a gimmick. Now Imagine Apple very new to the industry.. and yet alone their 1st product to have a camera... a 2MP camera... man I wonder how that camera works.. my guess is the same as yours) Show me some photos, then decide. I don't blindly eat all those marketing hype after being scammed by Sony E anymore. It's about time someone scare the big players to give something that users want. If they can't even make loading the contacts fast enough, don't bother showing me the music player.
(Yup its about time, time will tell....)
Have fun waiting 3 sec just to load ur contacts.

Sorry guys, I just got mine. Don't jeles-jeles!

great phone with great design and concept.
i like the idea of multi-touch and no stylus

just wondering, if apple lose, whats the name will be? iPwned?

no fuzz over the name, i still want it

no more iphone

Apple Is Sued By Cisco Over IPhone Name After Negotiations Fail

By Ari Levy and Susan Decker

Jan. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Apple Inc. was sued by Cisco Systems Inc. over its new iPhone a day after Chief Executive Officer Steve Jobs introduced the device to fanfare in San Francisco.

Cisco sued Apple yesterday in U.S. District Court in San Francisco, alleging use of the name violates its trademark. The lawsuit was filed after talks to share the iPhone name ended, San Jose, California-based Cisco said in a statement.

Apple, maker of the iPod music player, failed to reach an agreement with Cisco on use of the name after five years of talks and chose to go ahead with the iPhone announcement this week. The move surprised trademark lawyers who said it's rare for a company to introduce a product without rights to the name.

``This is a gutsy move by Apple,'' said William Heller of McCarter & English in Newark, New Jersey. ``I wouldn't handicap this race just yet. There are lots of arguments on both sides.''

Apple took steps to register iPhone under a fake company name even as it continued talks with Cisco, court papers said. Cisco, the world's largest maker of networking equipment, asked the court to block Apple from using the iPhone name.

Cisco said a company called Ocean Telecom Services LLC filed an application with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office for the name in September. Apple filed an application for the iPhone name in Australia. Both applications cite a third filing in Trinidad and Tobago as being connected, Cisco said.

The U.S. application ``is being held up'' because of the Cisco trademark, Cisco said.

Plan B

Ocean Telecom appears to be ``either Apple directly or a company that is doing it for Apple,'' said Allonn E. Levy, a trademark lawyer at Hopkins & Carley in San Jose, California. ``I can see where Apple says, `Negotiations aren't going so well; we'd better have a Plan B.'''

Shares of Cupertino, California-based Apple rose $4.43 to $97 yesterday in Nasdaq Stock Market composite trading. Cisco gained 21 cents to $28.68. The suit was filed after the close of regular trading in the U.S.

Apple spokesman Steve Dowling said yesterday there's a difference between cordless phones marketed by Cisco's Linksys division and the cell phone Apple introduced two days ago.

``We are the first company to use the name iPhone for a cell phone, and if Cisco wants to challenge us on it we are very confident we will prevail,'' Dowling said in an interview.

That position is ``not consistent with the discussions we've had for several years,'' Cisco General Counsel Mark Chandler said yesterday in an interview. ``Apple approached us numerous times starting in 2001 regarding use of the iPhone name.''

Negotiations

As recently as Jan. 9, Cisco said it expected Apple to sign an agreement under which the two would share the iPhone name. Cisco said it was unwilling to cede full rights to the name and couldn't agree on terms that would let Apple proceed.

Cisco has owned the iPhone trademark for six years. It bought the name as part of a 2000 purchase of InfoGear Technology Corp. and in January began selling a line of Internet-based cordless phones called iPhones.

Other companies have tried to trademark the iPhone name.

The Trademark Office has issued a non-final rejection to Teledex LLC, a San Jose company that makes telephones for hotels, on the ``likelihood of confusion'' with the Cisco name, according to the trademark office's Web site.

Apple contends Cisco's right to the name is tenuous, and that other companies use the iPhone name for cordless phones.

The company also is likely to argue the mark is ``weak'' because it hasn't been used continuously since registered in 1999, trademark lawyers said. Apple also may claim its iPod, iBook computer and iTunes Web site have popularized the use of products starting with ``I.''

The case is Cisco Systems Inc. v. Apple Inc., 07-198, U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California.

To contact the reporters on this story: Ari Levy in Las Vegas at alevy5@bloomberg.net ; Susan Decker in Washington at sdecker1@bloomberg.net .

Last Updated: January 11, 2007 00:10 EST

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Many? Yes, many. If you were to look at the OS itself, it goes to show the many features surpasses industry standards. USD599 converted to RM would be about RM2500 or more? That doesn't make it a 'High End' phone now does it? A high end phone would be those that cost RM3500 or so and I guess you should know which models they are. Yes, I am saying that a guy who spends RM3K on a PS3 might not be able to afford Original games. Another thing is attitude of people. I dare say only 20% (or less) people who own a 3G phone actually even use 3G. Just as the number of people who own a Bluetooth enabled handphone use Bluetooth headsets. Again, I'd stressed that the iPhone isn't a high-end phone. It's price for one doesn't make it one.

Oh, but I do reaslise it. I admit that I sometimes do use the SD card to transfer photos and files from my PDA phone to my PC and Mac but how often do I do it? Eermm... Once a blue moon. Again, I wouldn't bother with handwriting recognition, now with such a small screen. "No iTunes, No iPhone dock needed, means no fuss"? That's exactly what Apple doesn't want you to do. If Apple released something that doesn't uses it's applications, then they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. I guess if you knew a thing or two about business (not that I know any), you'd see why things are they way they are. Sharing and pirating music and movies is what Apple is trying to discourage, others are simply collateral damage. While I'm not like you who would want to keep and transfer 40-50 photos to others, I really wouldn't understand where you're coming from.

Yea, so the Nokia N series has 2 cameras. I know that even SE has a rotating camera in one of the flip phones for video conferencing even before the N series came out. The thing is that is it even used? If you have one, would you be using it at this time? The only people I see using it are the promoters from Maxis.

Trust me, in this time and age and in this world we're living now, you wouldn't want fingerprint recognition, eventhough it 'seems' like the best way to go. Heck! I wouldn't want retinal scans either... our 3G infrastructure is still in its infancy if you asked me. It should be how many 3G phone users actually even use 3G? Then again, look at it from the US. How many users in the US that owns a 3G phone actually uses 3G? I believe Steve Jobs knows that.

ei, everyone plz calm down le....is jus bout a coming soon stuff.....

jus hav peace of mind and enjoy it...come on man....relax.......

@crash
WOW!! you beat me to it... but mine works.. in June I hope.. hehe

@azxel
Be in mind its priced at a 2 years contact.

its high-end.

Yes I've used the 1st SE 3G phone its the Z800 with the rotating camera you mentioned. I think it all depends, if your just a phone user just get yourself a phone. But if your a true phone user, like Mr Steve Jobs said, "Its having your life in the phone" than he should be well aware of some security..

Dude I have a Sharp 903, I can guarantee its the best 3.2MP camera on a phone right now.. . 1 picture is just below 1MB, and I cannot stand and wait to transfer it via Bluetooth. Slide it in the SD slot, highlight the the whole pictures, Drag and Drop.. how convenient. Yes I'm a heavy phone user, 3G, Calls, SMS, Pictures, Videos.. thats why I dont mind investing my $$$$ on a phone.. same goes to the iPhone.

You must realize that I stress on what Mr Steve Jobs said and how over-rated a phone can be...

@iPhone name issue

Apple is a target... they somehow always lost in this court case.. so whats will it be?
iFone? iPP (iPod Phone)? iPone? iCall?

This post has been edited by shaznizzle: Jan 11 2007, 06:07 PM

italk perhaps?? then kena sue by our malaysia company...and they get rich by leetching from Apple Corp... haha

This post has been edited by shortleg88: Jan 11 2007, 06:23 PM

ApplePhone perhaps?

iCell?

@shaznizzle, i strongly agree with you on the transfer data part. What if let say the OS crash itself? How? ALL your DATA gone.. Just like that