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Hardware The iPhone, First Mac OS based phones

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azxel
post Jan 10 2007, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(youngkies @ Jan 10 2007, 11:55 AM)
advantages over 3G?

WiMAX could be the 4G (fourth generation) of the communication system..
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WiMAX isn't 4G. WiMAX is more of a larger scale WiFi.

QUOTE(khazz @ Jan 10 2007, 12:33 PM)
the battery lifetime should be more hours..5 hour is not enough sweat.gif
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battery life with WiFi... expect to get only 2-3 hours max.

Frankly speaking, I won't be getting the first version of the iPhone. Especially with 20GB flash memory in the horizon... I'll wait for the 20GB version (with enhanced battery technology... if it ever comes out). thumbup.gif

Honestly, it came out exactly the way I thought it would especially with so many different versions (done by fans and artists) out there. Shortening or removing the top and bottom (black band) part and making it really 'fullscreen' would have made it perfect. Then again, the speakers and microphone placement would have been an issue. 61mm means it's 10mm smaller than my O2 XDA IIs and 11.6mm is really thin. I've yet to see the back of the phone as well.
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post Jan 11 2007, 11:23 AM

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imagine this... 1 month after iPhone hits the market... watch out for the Made in China 'aiPhone' that's totally identical, very much cheaper but comes with 256 & 512MB memory variant. laugh.gif but not sure what OS though.
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post Jan 11 2007, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(shaznizzle @ Jan 11 2007, 02:33 PM)
Made for its own kind

I believe iPhone did not live to the Phone Industry standards. Its a GREAT device, trust me... I'm loving it... However, they fail to realize that it is a phone. Thus the iPhone is more of a 'Media Player' such as a Internet Browser and Music/Photos/Video Player. So its a Media Player built-in phone.

With the lack of the main high-end specifications, such as the obvious 3G, GPS, External Memory Card and a VGA internal camera. All these features cannot be upgraded as it requires hardware installation.

Some of you may or already did mention some lack of software features, such, Voice Recognition, Hand Writing Recognition, Java/ Flash Games and Applications, Office applications (Word, Excel, PDF, etc). I am not to worry about this, with an OS X in a phone, all this can be upgraded with future firmware or installation.

Thus this applies to my statement of iPhone being a more of a Media Player/iPod built-in phone, than a Phone built-in Media Player/iPod. From a statement from Mr Steve Jobs, "a phone at least 5 years ahead of the current phones," I agree in terms of software and OS only.. that is far as it goes. Whereas hardware wise, I can sadly say, they are atleast 5 years behind time.

Without 3G and Internal VGA camera, Video Calls (iChat) is out of the picture. For security, they can implement Face Recognition which my phone already have... which i bought nearly a year ago at 05, so that too is out of the picture. Interesting enough, Mr Steve Jobs did not even showed us a demo of how the 2MP camera works, yes maybe what he is holding is still a prototype, but since when does he hold and presents a prototype one might asked. Why? Not a good idea, because it may not be as good as the already high-end phones such Nokia Carl-Zeiss or SonyEriccson Cyber Shot phones?? Wait.. no Optical Zoom, for a phone that is 5 years ahead of its time? From the back, its just a tiny pin hole for a 2MP camera... the only pin hole camera size that can be that small and fit into a slim body is a VGA camera, that now is mainly found in the internal camera of a 3G phone that can be use as Video Calls. How can that be a 2MP camera?? Upscaled??

Still on the statement made by Mr Steve Jobs, such security mention above are not made for the iPhone, another security might be a finger print recognition that is already out in the market in Japan.. yes its a phone but he also did mention 5 years of its time.. maybe a software can be made for one to place its thumb on the Multi-Touch screen.. thats another Patent for you Mr Steve Jobs to add on the 200 Patents you already made on iPhone.

With all this disadvantages mention, would one buy an iPhone? I would, not because its an Apple. Its because they did Reinvented the phone, in its unique design and how a phone works. It is 1st of its kind, thus its is incomparable with any phone that is out in the market. Its not a Smart phone, not a PDA phone and not a phone. Its a whole new  kind of phone. Its an iPhone.
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I think Apple knows all these. laugh.gif They made a mistake once with the Newton (and it was way ahead of it's time in terms of technological features).

Erm... Phone industry standards? From what I see, Apple surpass many 'industry standards' and of course left out several features.

3G? How many people are actually using 3G at this moment? With it just being rolled out (in several locations in KL and Malaysia) and with WiMAX (and what was it? HSDPA?) in the horizon, 3G seems like it's gonna fade away fast. Plus, 3G isn't really popular over there in the States right? It's all marketing purpose, why bother adding something like 3G in your phone knowing well, that it would only incur extra cost and a lot of folks won't even really be able to use it. While I think EDGE sucks (slow man... haha), I also believe that Apple omitted 3G for a very good reason.

Handwriting recognition? What on earth for? The iPhone doesn't come with a stylus (thank God!! I hate the stylus!) so it doesn't need handwriting recognition. External memory? Ermm.. it comes with 4GB and 8GB (for now), most other mobile devices have Bluetooth so most folks would probably use BT to transfer files and backup their data on their computer instead of a external memory like SD, MMC, etc which is also a waste of money and IMHO, adding that memory reader into the iPhone really serves no purpose.

It doesn't come with a camera on the front. That's what I dislike about it. I guess Apple wants to put that in with the next upgrade (2nd gen) so that folks would upgrade. Yet, another marketing strategy. I'll have to go with them if I was working for Apple. You need to keep a few 'upgrades' up your sleeve to keep folks coming back to you. I guess with that, comes 'face recognition' though I've no idea what good that would do. Fingerprint recognition, adding scanning features on the screen again, adds to cost... personally, I wouldn't even wanna get a device/gadget that uses fingerprint recognition for security. I think I need not explain why. Might as well add a camera upfront that does retinal scans? Would that make you happy? hehe

Java/ Flash Games and Applications, Office applications (Word, Excel, PDF, etc)? Ermmm... that would have to come from software developers now, won't it? I only hope open source developers really release something ground breaking so that we don't have to rely on 'Microsoft Office for iPhone'. hehe

Is it a GREAT device. At first look, I wasn't impressed but when I watched the keynote, I was impressed and then now after re-looking at it, I'm really not that impressed. Maybe it's because our infrastructure here doesn't really allow us to fully utilise the capabilities of the iPhone, making it just another expensive toy.
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post Jan 11 2007, 05:28 PM

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Many? Yes, many. If you were to look at the OS itself, it goes to show the many features surpasses industry standards. USD599 converted to RM would be about RM2500 or more? That doesn't make it a 'High End' phone now does it? A high end phone would be those that cost RM3500 or so and I guess you should know which models they are. Yes, I am saying that a guy who spends RM3K on a PS3 might not be able to afford Original games. Another thing is attitude of people. I dare say only 20% (or less) people who own a 3G phone actually even use 3G. Just as the number of people who own a Bluetooth enabled handphone use Bluetooth headsets. Again, I'd stressed that the iPhone isn't a high-end phone. It's price for one doesn't make it one.

Oh, but I do reaslise it. I admit that I sometimes do use the SD card to transfer photos and files from my PDA phone to my PC and Mac but how often do I do it? Eermm... Once a blue moon. Again, I wouldn't bother with handwriting recognition, now with such a small screen. "No iTunes, No iPhone dock needed, means no fuss"? That's exactly what Apple doesn't want you to do. If Apple released something that doesn't uses it's applications, then they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. I guess if you knew a thing or two about business (not that I know any), you'd see why things are they way they are. Sharing and pirating music and movies is what Apple is trying to discourage, others are simply collateral damage. While I'm not like you who would want to keep and transfer 40-50 photos to others, I really wouldn't understand where you're coming from.

Yea, so the Nokia N series has 2 cameras. I know that even SE has a rotating camera in one of the flip phones for video conferencing even before the N series came out. The thing is that is it even used? If you have one, would you be using it at this time? The only people I see using it are the promoters from Maxis. laugh.gif

Trust me, in this time and age and in this world we're living now, you wouldn't want fingerprint recognition, eventhough it 'seems' like the best way to go. Heck! I wouldn't want retinal scans either... our 3G infrastructure is still in its infancy if you asked me. It should be how many 3G phone users actually even use 3G? Then again, look at it from the US. How many users in the US that owns a 3G phone actually uses 3G? I believe Steve Jobs knows that.
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post Jan 12 2007, 09:59 AM

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the screen will be the first to go if you ask me... either that or it won't be as sensitive as it should be once those screen protectors come on. laugh.gif
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post Jan 15 2007, 04:07 PM

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wait for 2009 when Apple releases the Flip iPhone. laugh.gif
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post Feb 26 2007, 12:58 PM

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with all the big hoo haa and lawsuit with the iPhone, why don't they just change the name to 'MacPhone'? laugh.gif I mean, they call the iBook the MacBook now anyway... but 'MacPod' does sound weird.

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