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shaznizzle
post Jan 11 2007, 02:33 PM

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Made for its own kind

I believe iPhone did not live to the Phone Industry standards. Its a GREAT device, trust me... I'm loving it... However, they fail to realize that it is a phone. Thus the iPhone is more of a 'Media Player' such as a Internet Browser and Music/Photos/Video Player. So its a Media Player built-in phone.

With the lack of the main high-end specifications, such as the obvious 3G, GPS, External Memory Card and a VGA internal camera. All these features cannot be upgraded as it requires hardware installation.

Some of you may or already did mention some lack of software features, such, Voice Recognition, Hand Writing Recognition, Java/ Flash Games and Applications, Office applications (Word, Excel, PDF, etc). I am not to worry about this, with an OS X in a phone, all this can be upgraded with future firmware or installation.

Thus this applies to my statement of iPhone being a more of a Media Player/iPod built-in phone, than a Phone built-in Media Player/iPod. From a statement from Mr Steve Jobs, "a phone at least 5 years ahead of the current phones," I agree in terms of software and OS only.. that is far as it goes. Whereas hardware wise, I can sadly say, they are atleast 5 years behind time.

Without 3G and Internal VGA camera, Video Calls (iChat) is out of the picture. For security, they can implement Face Recognition which my phone already have... which i bought nearly a year ago at 05, so that too is out of the picture. Interesting enough, Mr Steve Jobs did not even showed us a demo of how the 2MP camera works, yes maybe what he is holding is still a prototype, but since when does he hold and presents a prototype one might asked. Why? Not a good idea, because it may not be as good as the already high-end phones such Nokia Carl-Zeiss or SonyEriccson Cyber Shot phones?? Wait.. no Optical Zoom, for a phone that is 5 years ahead of its time? From the back, its just a tiny pin hole for a 2MP camera... the only pin hole camera size that can be that small and fit into a slim body is a VGA camera, that now is mainly found in the internal camera of a 3G phone that can be use as Video Calls. How can that be a 2MP camera?? Upscaled??

Still on the statement made by Mr Steve Jobs, such security mention above are not made for the iPhone, another security might be a finger print recognition that is already out in the market in Japan.. yes its a phone but he also did mention 5 years of its time.. maybe a software can be made for one to place its thumb on the Multi-Touch screen.. thats another Patent for you Mr Steve Jobs to add on the 200 Patents you already made on iPhone.

With all this disadvantages mention, would one buy an iPhone? I would, not because its an Apple. Its because they did Reinvented the phone, in its unique design and how a phone works. It is 1st of its kind, thus its is incomparable with any phone that is out in the market. Its not a Smart phone, not a PDA phone and not a phone. Its a whole new kind of phone. Its an iPhone.
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post Jan 11 2007, 04:54 PM

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I think Apple knows all these. laugh.gif They made a mistake once with the Newton (and it was way ahead of it's time in terms of technological features).

Erm... Phone industry standards? From what I see, Apple surpass many 'industry standards' and of course left out several features.(Many?? Many?? Its mainly just the OS and a cool Multi-Touch thats it.)

3G? How many people are actually using 3G at this moment? With it just being rolled out (in several locations in KL and Malaysia) and with WiMAX (and what was it? HSDPA?) in the horizon, 3G seems like it's gonna fade away fast. Plus, 3G isn't really popular over there in the States right? It's all marketing purpose, why bother adding something like 3G in your phone knowing well, that it would only incur extra cost and a lot of folks won't even really be able to use it. (We're taling about people who can afford to buy a US$599 phone here?? Your like saying, a guy buys a PS3 but cant afford the games.... lol) While I think EDGE sucks (slow man... haha), I also believe that Apple omitted 3G for a very good reason.(3G is slow or not regardless, it is a High-End phone. Thus it should be a standard.. like it or not it is a bonus. What I realise that they didnt implement 3G is due to, no front camera.. thus no video calls means no need for 3G)

Handwriting recognition? What on earth for? The iPhone doesn't come with a stylus (thank God!! I hate the stylus!) so it doesn't need handwriting recognition (You can write it with your fingers, do you know how small the QWERTY keys are?? Pls visit http://www.apple.com/iphone/ right there in the 1st page you'll see an actual size of the iPhone.. try placing your thumb there.. the keys are small.. thats why you see Mr Steve Jobs typing with his index finger 1 by 1). External memory? Ermm.. it comes with 4GB and 8GB (for now), most other mobile devices have Bluetooth so most folks would probably use BT to transfer files and backup their data on their computer instead of a external memory like SD, MMC, etc which is also a waste of money and IMHO, adding that memory reader into the iPhone really serves no purpose.(You fail to realise, it will be faster and easier to transfer a whole loads of pictures and files to a computer easily with a external memory, regardless of the device having a 20GB HDD built in, No iTunes, No iPhone dock needed, means no fuss.. what happens when your using your friend's or the sch's pc?? No hope of transfering at all.. unless you bring your iPhone dock where ever you go and installing iTunes in every PC you use.. hhmmmm. I have a phone, but I do know for one thing for sure most user transfer their files using the external memory card.. or the universal USB drive. I dont think user transfer their 40-50 pictures using Bluetooth.)



It doesn't come with a camera on the front. That's what I dislike about it. I guess Apple wants to put that in with the next upgrade (2nd gen) so that folks would upgrade. Yet, another marketing strategy. I'll have to go with them if I was working for Apple. You need to keep a few 'upgrades' up your sleeve to keep folks coming back to you. (5 years of its time?? what next iPhone 2 comes with a front camera and he will say this is a phone 5 years ahead of its time, by then Nokia has HD camera equip in their Nseries) I guess with that, comes 'face recognition' though I've no idea what good that would do. Fingerprint recognition, adding scanning features on the screen again, adds to cost... personally, I wouldn't even wanna get a device/gadget that uses fingerprint recognition for security. (Trust me, in this world we're living right now, the best possible security is the best way to go)I think I need not explain why. Might as well add a camera upfront that does retinal scans? Would that make you happy? hehe (Possible, he did mention "5 years ahead of its time")

Java/ Flash Games and Applications, Office applications (Word, Excel, PDF, etc)? Ermmm... that would have to come from software developers now, won't it? I only hope open source developers really release something ground breaking so that we don't have to rely on 'Microsoft Office for iPhone'. hehe (I did mention, its not a issue at all, they can be installed or upgrade with future firmware)

Is it a GREAT device. At first look, I wasn't impressed but when I watched the keynote, I was impressed and then now after re-looking at it, I'm really not that impressed. Maybe it's because our infrastructure here doesn't really allow us to fully utilise the capabilities of the iPhone, making it just another expensive toy. (I think we do have the infrastructure, in terms of 3G. I have a 3G phone which I use Maxis 3G line, but how many do have a 3G line.. but have a 3G phone..?? Its all about, are we willing to spend, on what we have spent)
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QUOTE(crash @ Jan 11 2007, 03:39 PM)
That's quite an insightful comment shaznizzle. I share the same feelings. Where software and user interface is concerned, it's miles ahead of the competition, but where actual phone hardware and features, there are a lot of deficiencies. A Sony Ericsson would seriously kick the iPhone's ass (with buttons and all!). Having said that, it is still a cool phone/mediaplayer hybrid. And knowing Apple, this is only the beginning. Expect the next 6-12 months to be VERY VERY interesting.
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Yup I agree.. its all software for this phone. I believe they realised.. thats what they are all about... and thats not enough to take on the competition. So they added some cool hardware, like directional sensors, light sensor and multi-touch. Which I think was the highlight of the phone that can back it up to level with competitors, which is cool by me.
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post Jan 11 2007, 05:13 PM

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Not everyone uses GPS.(Majority does in the U.S and Japan) It should be coming but dude, this is the first version, what do u expect? (Yeap I agree, than the statement, 5 years of its time should not be made) With 4GB of flash, why they hell would anyone want memory cards that will make it thicker?(Thicker?? lol) And when Apple say that it's a 2MP, it is one. No upscaling. (I will be pissed if they did not)

The Safari is a full web browser. Chances are that it can play Java/Flash games. (Yup, if they didnt, it can be installed or upgrade with firmware. I did mention that) There's plenty of stuff that u mentioned, but how many of those cellphones does everything good. I've tried those high-end phones n their UI is hard to use, their feature is confusing. Don't judge how good a camera is by the megapixel hype. Cause my 3MP Canon can beat a hell lot of 5MP cameras. Uuu, look, i got a Nokia with Carl-Zeiss lens. Bullshit, for all u know they just sign agreement to use Carl-Zeiss name. (Yup true, Nokia Carl-Zeiss is a gimmick. Now Imagine Apple very new to the industry.. and yet alone their 1st product to have a camera... a 2MP camera... man I wonder how that camera works.. my guess is the same as yours) Show me some photos, then decide. I don't blindly eat all those marketing hype after being scammed by Sony E anymore. It's about time someone scare the big players to give something that users want. If they can't even make loading the contacts fast enough, don't bother showing me the music player.
(Yup its about time, time will tell....)
Have fun waiting 3 sec just to load ur contacts.
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post Jan 11 2007, 06:06 PM

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@crash
WOW!! you beat me to it... but mine works.. in June I hope.. hehe tongue.gif

@azxel
Be in mind its priced at a 2 years contact. whistling.gif

its high-end.

Yes I've used the 1st SE 3G phone its the Z800 with the rotating camera you mentioned. I think it all depends, if your just a phone user just get yourself a phone. But if your a true phone user, like Mr Steve Jobs said, "Its having your life in the phone" than he should be well aware of some security..

Dude I have a Sharp 903, I can guarantee its the best 3.2MP camera on a phone right now.. nod.gif . 1 picture is just below 1MB, and I cannot stand and wait to transfer it via Bluetooth. Slide it in the SD slot, highlight the the whole pictures, Drag and Drop.. how convenient. Yes I'm a heavy phone user, 3G, Calls, SMS, Pictures, Videos.. thats why I dont mind investing my $$$$ on a phone.. same goes to the iPhone.

You must realize that I stress on what Mr Steve Jobs said and how over-rated a phone can be...

@iPhone name issue

Apple is a target... they somehow always lost in this court case.. so whats will it be?
iFone? iPP (iPod Phone)? iPone? iCall?

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post Jan 11 2007, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(allvin @ Jan 11 2007, 06:27 PM)
iCell? laugh.gif

@shaznizzle, i strongly agree with you on the transfer data part. What if let say the OS crash itself? How? ALL your DATA gone.. Just like that biggrin.gif
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Yea I agree.... what happens if that happened.. my oh my... phone HDD corrupted and such.. But its rare for a Mac to crash these days.. hopefully the phone does not over heat and moo like the issues macbook did. lol

Its a good thing the iPhone sync with the PC/Mac everytime its back on the dock.

Oh yea... another note.. the "2MP" camera is useless at night... no flash not even a LED light... Just dont think highly on the 2MP I think its a downer.

How about.... AkuPhone??!! lol. iV (iVoice)?? iPwned??!! lol...

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post Jan 12 2007, 02:24 AM

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I wonder how the screen works.. after all that touch, the screen will definitely be smudge with prints and stuff.. and how much pressure must be applied, is normal too much pressure?? With all this touching, I am more worry of the screen wearing off than the battery.

Read at a website, where a guy did a hands on small review of the phone. The phone works, coz he called his mom using it. When touching the screen, he says it feels rubbery than the normal plastic like touch screen found in PDAs..
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post Jan 12 2007, 05:41 PM

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My iPhone 903!!!

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post Jan 12 2007, 06:41 PM

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haha... its just a fullscreen wallpaper. Thats a Sharp 903, the body looks like the iPhone.. smack it with OS X menu.. u got ur phone feeling 5 years ahead of its time. lol
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post Jan 12 2007, 09:55 PM

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unlock unlock unlock.... haha.... hhmmm... wonder when we will see this iPhones in our shores or Singapore...

Unlock or not, I want it!! If locked.. means we can use it only as an camera + iPod (Music/Video/Pictures). Probably get a small slim phone...

Yup, its a great screen. QVGA Sharp Aquos at 2.2" size.. 170degrees viewing angle.

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post Jan 14 2007, 03:11 PM

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I heard there will be a limited 200 versions coming out, carbon fiber body.
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post Jan 14 2007, 09:28 PM

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me too.. but still must wait for unlock
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post Jan 15 2007, 03:42 PM

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check www.gizmodo.com theres a cool video, Steve Jobs is in SNL!! The true, iPhone specs revealed..
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post Jan 25 2007, 06:24 PM

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visit cNet review, they have it reviewed... but they also did say, if u can wait, iPhone 2G (2nd Gen) is around the corner, double the memory and batt life with the same price..... ooooo....
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post Jan 26 2007, 03:13 PM

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UK this year October... its earlier than expected!
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post Jan 30 2007, 06:13 PM

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For a start the M8 has what the iPhone most obviously lacks: 3G, it also sports a 3.3in 720 x 480 high resolution touch screen and a three megapixel camera as well as PMP abilities. There's an ARM 11 processor at its heart which is capable of recording video at 30fps and Bluetooth and WiFi make it onboard.
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post Jan 31 2007, 01:44 AM

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Yea but what you said is base on assumptions and it can apply to iPhone too.

Meizu is known for its best know-off of Apple product, and they are pretty good at this.. and for its cheap quality near apple products they got some recognition and people are actually advising you to buy their products if you cant afford an iPod video as an alternative.

I cant wait what they can do next and with this M8.
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post Mar 27 2007, 10:00 AM

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wat are the odds for us gettin a iPhone by July..... I bet theres some selling it, locked or unlocked im not sure... but I bet some FANS would juz buy it and use it as an iPod + Cam for the time being until theres an unlock service goin on...
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3G for UK users!!

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