tauren for horde; dwarf, gnome, dreanai for alliance

u dont need ud for warrior cos warriors are practically fear proof
on top of that u got a larger hp tank and a 2 min cd stun

for alliance is a matter of preference...
if u got sick fetish for midgets then go for dwarf (stoneskin) or gnomes (escape artist)

dreanai has the 1% hit aura, so its all good...


im not too sure about weapons...
there's an on going debate about it

some are saying axe some are saying swords
axe for crit bursts, some say with the resilience in play, crit bursts are not that effective
swords for the proc burst, still some say that the proc is a 1 per minute thing, which im not too sure either.
personally, i'd go for the axe on a small gnome... midgets with big ass weapons makes me tingle.

then again im a healer, hahahaha

hammers are gona get nerfed, but depending on the level of the nerf, hammers might still be viable....

as for fury warrior, any weapon with high dps you can get your hands on... cos unlike rogues, a full fury warrior doesn't have the opportunity to go for a weapon specialization

This post has been edited by sets84: Sep 13 2007, 03:21 PM

orc warr is awesome too. and the best weapon for pvp is lolherald.

hmm hmm ok, suggestions taken. using tauren now. name wildwalker... plz invite me to guild if any officer see this

btw, is polearm = spear? polearm better or axe better? and has anyone proven that sword spec (extra 1 hit) really only trigger once per min?

edit: ok, i m in the guild now @@

extra questions...

1) what is kara?
2) will there be people who willing to bring me to RFC to get some better items so that i can level up faster?
3) is arm warrior a good tank?
4) is arm warrior a better tank, compare to rogue?
5) again not really understand, why most people dont learn any level of parry and dodge talent for rogue. its 5% + 5% = 10% "immune" to physical attack isnt it? i tot thats a great thing to have, which at least reduce the job of healer?

plz do add me and meet me in the game if u want to friend me (anyone). need to know more people so that, errr... at emergency situation, i got ppl to ask for assist. lol~~~

sets84, your name in the game is..?

This post has been edited by sttomato: Sep 14 2007, 07:47 AM

1. Kara is short for karazhan, its a 10 man level 70 instance that drops epics.
2. lol I'm just helping to answer general questions, you'll have to ask your guild.
3. arms can tank most instances fine, but if you seriously want to tank end game its still best to go prot. That said I've healed arms warriors in SLab as a shadow priest just fine (except for a very scary Time for Fun!)
4. Rogues... are NOT tanks, nuff said.
5. Its been awhile since I lvl-ed my rogue, so I can't comment on talent choices while lvl-ing, but talent points are limited, and there are many many talents better then extra parry and dodge. And rogues don't get heals anyway so meh

my ign name is kudou, from barthilas server. i'm currently guildless though... not much interest in playing wow anymore. the last few times i login were to kill time by doing some pvping, however streamyx seems to have f***ed up my connection again and again... been getting major downtime from night till morning everyday

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Added on September 14, 2007, 11:27 am1) karazhan
2) no, I don't even help my brother till he actually reaches 70
3) no
4) better yes, good? no
5) bcos u have to sacrifice dps stats to increase your avoidance stats.

This post has been edited by sets84: Sep 14 2007, 11:27 AM

hmmm... why u quit the game? got bored? how long u took to reach lv 70?

anyone done the "water of seer" mission? need to take the water to something call "tribal fire" to reveal the quest... i got the water but dont know where is that tribal fire thingy. anyone can help? its at tauren there one i guess.

This post has been edited by sttomato: Sep 14 2007, 11:49 AM

took me a week and a half on my warlock from 60-70

mainly because of work and other commitments i guess... i thought of playing again, but i find my social life to be much better than raiding with the guild...

u can seek for tips on how to do quests from www.thottbot.com or www.wowhead.com. also, install a map mod so that u have access to map coords.

i wont run u they instances with my main.. but maybe when u are at the same lvl as my alt then we can run thru instances together =p

erm, i try to seek the quest using those websites before asking here. but i cant find it though T_T

edit: finally found it @@

This post has been edited by sttomato: Sep 14 2007, 11:27 PM

for levelling up:
http://www.curse.com/downloads/details/8293/

how to use it? seem complicated. so far i didnt use any addon yet...

Greetings to all,

Would like to express my intention to join the guild. I feel that an introduction is necessary, so here goes...

My 2 younger brothers and i, from Kuala Lumpur, have played WoW ever since it was launched. For the most part of it, we played in Tichondrius. We have been in multiple guilds and have had raiding experiences. Recently, due to real life responsibilities, we stopped for about 6 months and have decided to make a comeback as casual players. Reason being is that our friends have also made a fresh start in Thaurissan and yes, they are in LoTH. Also, being gamers since childhood, we've always had the nagging itch to step back into the world of Azeroth. Along with us is our cousin from singapore. She is a fresh gamer but nonetheless a very fast learner and full of enthusiasm. That's pretty much it in a nutshell...

I hope there are still openings for the four of us. We have read the guild description and it very much suits our casual gaming lifestyle at the moment since we are all tied down with careers and what not. Nevertheless, we are definitely a progressive bunch with a longing for end-game content should time allow us to. Below are our in-game names and classes:

1. Burnt - Undead Warrior
2. Buried - Undead Warlock
3. Jawdrop - Undead Mage
4. Blimey - Undead Priest

Thanks and Best Regards to all!

THERE'S AN OPENING FOR YOU ALL.

LoTH hits record by registering 95 users online last night at about 10pm.


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thank you for your interest to our lovely guild. fyi LoTH is a mix of casuals and hardcore populations. we are not a casual only guild. 25% of LoTH population is hardcore in our first 25man raid. the rest is semi casual, clearing upper kara and also started a second 25man about 2 weeks ago. the 3rd batch after this is presumably much more casuals then the 2nd batch. i hope this information clear some of the misunderstandings that most people have about us. nevertheless, we welcome low level freshies into our guild. only level 60 and above is required to use the proper application procedure.

btw, i notice that the fresh new members who recently started is lacking of druids. so if possible, try to roll for that class if you can. pls pm me or the officers in game for invites. thank you.

I really appreciate the prompt reply and am glad that the guild is open to us for invites.

To clarify on matters, we prefer to regard ourselves as casual players on the pretence that we can't foresee ourselves being hardcore, at least not for the time being as we just started out barely a week ago. We do not wish to make a commitment that we cannot meet, as it would be unfair to the guild. Our position and intention of playing is close to the description that the guild has elaborated in the first page of this thread. However, as i have mentioned before, we long for end game content and will surely strive for it when the chances arise with the given opportunities. It is likely that as we progress in level, so will our goals. Time and other worldly responsibilties are usually the decisive factor

We have made queries to our friends and have read through the forum enough to understand the population build-up of the guild. Hence, we are filled with anticipation to join the ranks of LoTH, a very well diversified guild. As for rolling a druid, both my brothers were druids in our previous server so i guess that explains why they are playing different classes now.

We will do as instructed for invites. You have our gratitude.

some of the 70's in this LoTH guild, they are very free for chatting in the guild message but when the low level guildies ask for helps from the 70's guildies and they will say "i got something to do later on" "ask other 70's in our guild" ._. a very bad impression when i just joined this guild, lots of my current guildmates had the same feeling as i am.

to answer your issues, i invite you to read this stories narrated by the guild commander, mr rantic. i hope u find the stories can enlighten us all.


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A Story of Early LoTH
www.lothguild.org
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I had just turned 70. First thing on my mind was to hit the 5man instances, the Oblivion Set just looked so UBER, i had to have it! The guild was not yet ready for Kara, we hardly had enough level 70s, and most who were 70 didn't even have their keys yet. So rushing to Kara was out of the question. Besides, gear was a problem, and even without stepping into Kara, just by reading the strats, i had a rough idea what we needed to succeed. LoTH wasn't ready yet, not by a long shot.

So off to the 5mans i went, not even heroics, just regular 5man. Sometimes i got lucky, and snagged a guild grp, but most times i just pugged it. Reason being, i was sorta like "stuck" in the middle of the 70s: there were people like Tehsai who had been 70 for quite some time, so they were doing more heroics than normal instances. I felt bad asking them for help to run stuff that they had already run 1000x times before, so i didn't ask (i hate rejection, it'll just make me feel bad, and i know how bad it feels to have to say no, so i didn't want to put the seniors in a position of having to say "no").

So that was at least more than a month, i think closer to 2 months where i logged on everyday, spent 4-5 hours a day farming everything from SV, Arca, BF etc etc. Going with pugs was painful most times, but it was a great learning platform. But the time i had hit revered with all the factions, i had 2-3 pieces of Oblivion (i was so HAWT back then, i thought!), and i started doing heroics.

Again, i pugged most heroics, and it was seriously painful. There was one time, when i spent nearly 60g on a SH run because the grp just kept on wiping on the multi-mob pulls, but we refused to give up. So i spent 5 hours in SH. That was the day i learned how to juggle-fear, and seduce-lock AND dps all at the same time. Tbh, we never even made it to the 2nd boss before we finally decided to call it quits. That was also in a pug.

Around this time, the guild started to talk about Kara. I was the raid leader, so it was my responsibility to look at what we had and get things going. This was in the early days, remember. We didn't have Daibzai as a tank yet, no Pinata, Symonz was still some random lowbie in the guild, no Nelo, etc. The guild was very thin on players, but we were determined to start.

We had a team who had keys, i know i pugged my key, and i think most of the others did as well. And when we finally, after many nights of fruitless trying, to get enough ppl online with the correct balance to try it (we ran with 4 healers back then), we went into Kara for the first time. I remember the first words i said to the raid was, "Welcome to Kara, LoTH. We're about to make history."

The first night went badly progression wise. We wiped on trash leading up to Attu repeatedly. We got 1 try on the boss before there was respawned then we had to reclear. That first night was a complete wipefest. So was the second. So was the third. A wipefest on Attumen. Can you believe it?

Its not about not knowing the strats, i had spent HOURS, over several DAYS to learn the strats from the web. And it wasnt just me who had studied up, i know the other raiders had done the same. And still we wiped. LOL. Nubcakes we all were.

Finally, we got Attumen down, and it felt as though we had just killed Illidan! The screams of joy on vent was overwhelming, and the first sight of Kara purples was our just reward. We really felt as though we had earned them -- no one had served them to us on a platter. They were ours, and there was a pride attached to getting them because of what we had gone through to get them.

So we thought we were hot now. Next boss Maiden should be easy. Oh how wrong we were. A week later, and we were still wiping on Maiden. The week after, we were still wiping. It was a nightmare. We decided to go back and do Moroes first, took a week to get him, only then went back to work on Maiden. Finally we got her, and there was more screams of orgasmic ecstasy on Vent!

And all during the time we were trying Kara at night, we were still running heroics during the day. So i suppose they came a point when our gear was just good enough to take down Maiden, while it previously wasnt.

The next big cockblock was Curator. We spent many days wiping on him as well, hundreds of gold used for repairs and consumables. It was nasty, but not nearly as nasty as Maiden was. Surprisingly, after Curator the instance actually got easier. The only ***** boss we couldn't get was Illhoof, but since that wasn't a compulsory boss, we weren't too fussed. I think it was 2 weeks after we got Curator was when we first got Prince down. More screaming in Vent, Kara was ours!

All in all, 6-7 weeks of Kara, collectively we spent thousands of gold on repairs and consumables, before getting Prince down. And over the next 2 months, more farming of Kara, the set up of our 2nd Kara grp (they moved a heck of a lot faster than us because 2-3 of the original G1 was in their grp), then more farming, more farming.

Then one day we were ready for 25mans. And the rest is history.

Whats the point of this story?

There are people in the guild today that feel that the guild has a duty to give them free epics. If there isn't a senior raider like Tendon, or Rantic, leading the raid, or if there isn't an uber tank like Daibzai or Shyfter leading the raid, then the raid is not worth turning up for; there is no point to raid.

There are people willing to lead BG2 raids, both 25man and Kara raids. The problem is not them. The problem are the people who do not want to follow them.

The gear and experience that most BG2 raiders already have due to the guild's earlier policy of mixing up the raids FAR FAR outweighs the gear and experience the original senior raiders had when we first started those instances. Why do people lack the confidence that they will be able to make the raid a success?

Raids = wipes. If you're afraid to wipe, and you just want farm, then pls, the door out of LoTH is --> that way. Do not feel that you are indispensible, the moment you leave, you will be replaced just by a simple post in the realm forums.

Have confidence in the new batch of raid leaders who are WILLING to take up the mantle of leadership. Leadership is not easy, i know this better than most, and i tip my hat to those who are stepping up to the plate. Follow them, believe in them, and most of all support them. If you dont have the faith in yourself to lead, at least have faith in those who do, and be willing to FOLLOW them when they issue a call to arms. If you can't lead, and you can't follow (or rather, "dont want" to follow), then you really need to ask yourself what are you doing playing an MMORPG.

What is the guild here for then?

The guild is here to support you.

- You have access to free vent (and believe me its not really "free", our GM pays for it, and pays a very hefty bill each month).
- You have access to free raid recipes and craftables.
- You have access to the guild NAME. By having LoTH under your names in game is a mark of pride, and people respect this guild.
- You have access to raid experience -- whatever we can do to help advise a new raid to succeed, we will do.
- You have access to the realm's best website and all the information and support that such an uber website provides the guild.
- You have access to officers who look after you, non stingy with knowledge, ever willing to help with things like specs, or gear suggestions.
- You have access, if you work your way up and prove yourself, to a BG1 that, from what i can see, is going to be pwning content now that we have a very solid, progressive team.

There is so much that LoTH gives you. And still you want more? To me, thats just plain greedy, selfish and short-sighted.

If you are in this guild to raid, then LoTH promises you a chance to raid.

Sign-up to one of the raids available, make sure you are ready gear-wise, consumable-wise, and go. We have progressive raids EVERY single night, we will have Kara raids going every night starting next week, if people are willing to step up, we will have early T4 25man raids going once BG2 raid leadership is sorted out. There are raids at every level available, surely you can find a place to fit in.

If you are in this guild for free epics, then LoTH makes you no promise. You want to improve your character, you will have to work for it. Have faith in the people who are willing to lead, or if you wish, approach me and tell me that you want to step up and lead. Thats all there is to it.

Currently, there are 3 people who have spoken to me and will be leading Kara raids next week, in addition to 25man early T4 for BG2.

- Eilistraee -- overall he is in charge of BG2 and had the ability to dispense EPGP for 25mans.
- Geekstomper -- new to the guild, but strikes me as a competent player who has the initiative to do what needs to be done.
- Zoorena -- is willing to sacrifice his 25man spot to help BG2 -- this is an awesome sacrifice. Very competent, knows all the strats to everything.
- Samiscool -- wants to lead, knows all the strats, and reasonably well geared.

Speak to them if you want to run Kara next week. They will do their best to setup the raids.

So your point in posting this up is what? To discredit a guild that you're still in? You're doing yourself more disservice and making a bad impression to your guildies anyway.

I'm not in LoTH but posts like these to whine about not getting help from higher level ppl is silly. If they're not free to help or they don't want to, move on and stop whining. Being a guildmember doesn't warrant free handouts. If they do it out of the kindness, it's a plus note. If they don't, move out and see if you can get help elsewhere.

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Added on September 25, 2007, 2:06 pmNitrofang,

Excellent post. Sorry about mine. Just hit a nerve on a bad day.

All the best to LoTH btw

This post has been edited by myremi: Sep 25 2007, 02:06 PM

Dont take things for granted dude ! , They dont pay their monthly fees to help you, they pay it to enjoy the game.