learn to do things yourself... good players are those who are independant. u dont join a guild so that they will help you, you join a guild to HELP THEM progress...

i guess the first impression is back at ya

flyuphigh, please tell us your character name in LoTH. When you reach 70, please help my 3 alts to level up. No excuses ok?

edit: I meant please tell us the name of your character who is/was in LoTH.

This post has been edited by seen: Sep 25 2007, 03:37 PM

I joined cause I was bored. =/

i joined becoz they give me 1 gold.
(1 gold is huge for a lvl1 )

I'm no longer in LoTH, whats the point of staying there? even i asked some question in guild channel, they don't bother about it =/ most of them using bahasa and the complicated short forms which i dont really understand ._.

As a member of LoTH, we level 70's have no obligation of helping the low level's running them through instance. Of course, we do do it out of compassion and friendlyness but not compulsory. Our raiders have worked hard ourselves, pugging our way to level 70 and started raiding ourself.

Rantic's story is very similiar to the raiders of LoTH. We work hard leveling from 1 - 70 ourself.

As JFK once said... "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country". Now take that quote and apply it in the context of a guild.

Dont like the guild? Leave then, which obviously you did, but dont come on the forums QQing and badmouthing the guild bout nobody helping you bla bla bla. Leave with grace and dignity.

best comments that i have read for today

Was previously in LotH twice before my account expired.
As a non 70 person I understand how the 70s are all busy hardcoring the raids to get their loots and gear.
My comment on LotH is everyone is too focused on playing seriously that the entire community only bothers about the game and not the people.
Ok the guild is probably not community driven but I do at least expect some welcome or friendliness. It is a guild after all and we're in the game to know people and have fun.

Questions from lowbies are 90% of the time ignored, everyone is just focused on raiding. No one is talking. That's all there is to this guild...
I do hope my rants are taken into account and the least the guild people (or officers for that matter) can do is help out the lowbies or at least welcome new people into the guild rather than neglecting them.

You might have joined at a wrong time, but now.. We have heaps of people below level 60.. They started their own grp leveling together, instance, quest and stuff and they're still doing it.

These people are the future of LoTH, they worked hard when they were leveling and will be guranteed a raiding spot in the future together.

This post has been edited by CyberTroop: Sep 28 2007, 11:52 PM

Its all about people's attitude to the game. And i have found out, that most times, your attitude in a MMORPG, especially your attitude to other people, is the same attitude you will have in real life. And vice versa, of course.

In real life, Malaysians especially, and to a lesser extent many of the privileged generation of the last decade or two of the 20th century, expect things to be handed to them.

If you're a Bumiputera Malaysian, you'll know what i mean. If you're a non-Bumi Malaysian, you'll know what i mean in an even more painful manner.

While my post that Nitro quoted was more for the raiders in LoTH, on principle, it was the same degree of relevance to anyone in any guild in WoW, at any level of play, anywhere between level 1-70, junior or senior.

The principle being: there are no free lunches. Not in WoW, and for those of you who have yet to realize it, not in RL either.

Its ok to ask for help, but its not ok to expect it. Coz if you expect people to help you, then you have to wonder (i mean this is what i myself have sometimes wondered), will this lead to a slippery slope? If someone helps me now, i will expect them to help me again in the future. And if they help me again in the future, then whats the point of doing it myself? Why even bother making myself better or independent when i can always rely on others to do things for me/hand things to me on a platter?

You see the problem? By saying yes to you now, just because we're in a guild, it just makes you worse later. By running you through instances and heroics, getting you free loot, when are you ever going to learn your class? I daresay, the best players in LoTH today are the ones who did it on their own, took the time to learn how to get things done, be self-aware, and self-sufficient. Because, the simple truth is, if people do things for you, either in helping you level, or running you through instances, or even handing you free epics, then you will never really learn how to play. Is that what you really want?

Remember, my earlier premise holds true. If you are that type of person in-game, you're likely to be that type of person in real-life. Perhaps a bit of self-sufficiency in a game might teach you how to break the cycle on dependence you have in real-life? I dont know, it might.

LoTH seniors have never been stingy with knowledge. While we dont do things for you (well, sometimes we do ), we have always pointed you in the right direction to get the answers you need to the questions you have. I challenge anyone to prove to me that an officer in this guild has not done this.

I sincerely applaud flyuphigh (it doesn't matter to me what his IGN is) for bringing this issue up. Its something that has cropped up every once in a while in LoTH, and i'm sure in other guilds as well. The reason why i'm responding to it in a lengthy manner here is because, we're Malaysians, and we know what our country is like, and this issue has larger ramifications for us than just what we can find in a game.

Perhaps, there is something in this game that can teach us to be better human beings and better Malaysians. Lets not dismiss that as impossible.

Hold my hand kor. I scared of the mob. I on follow on u ok. Kill le mah? Ok die liao? Me Me Me give me the epicssssssssss.

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Added on October 1, 2007, 10:52 amWhen u hit 70, raid n have phat purples, u have different priorities in the game. Raiding takes something out of you. Gathering materials, farming rep, enchants, gems for new gear n so on. And with time being limited u like to make use of the time to do those stuff. On ocassion, i do help a lowbie run an instance (rare) but advice should always be readily given. Takes a few seconds to type.

This post has been edited by Kurei: Oct 1 2007, 10:52 AM

wakakakaka
me and moogen had the same problem, we whine and make noise BUT at the same time we still level. We are 70 now. . .

Just pug it, there a usually one or two decent players pugging as well. As for when you are greeted by silence, most of the time, they miss your question or they themselves have no answer for it.

Why answer a question that you have no answer to?

As for raiding takes something out of you. . . yes it does, it takes out another instance that i can raid cause the more i raid the same instance, the faster i fall asleep(bored mar).

and to end my rambling. . . i shall use my always used query in guild.

Alms for the poor?

Dude, does it even matter which instance you're doing? ALL you ever do is flay flay flay flayyyyyyyy, of course fall asleep la!!

L2DoSomethingElseFromFlay

i didn't even helped my brother till he reached 70, what makes u think we should help you?
the first thing i told my brother when he started this game is "learn to play the game yourself, wowhead.com is your best friend." he then proceeded to lvl his blood elf pally and was one of the top 5 on the server to hit 70 (paladins). This is the kind of players i'd like to play with, not some whiney b**** ass spoiled child who thinks that the whole freaking guild owes them.

while he is leveling there, i'm test running instances, finding strats to clear them. farm mats, farm more mats, and farming more f***ing mats. If you have not prove to me your significance, you obviously dont deserve my attention.

same with me.

lawl. . . why burst my balloon. . .
it is my basic instinct to make sure the "laser-like" light dun get cut off mar. . .
i like to stare at the beam and go, "So pretty. . ."

my warlock have to throw away 50 shards because every mob i soul drain. . .the soul drain light also very pretty. . .
feel like leveling the warlock so can join brood's soul drain for kicks.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH!

Very true. There's always so much to do, yet so little time. The only time I run people through instances is when they have convinced me that they will be a decent addition to the guild. I don't run random lowbies unless they can convince me that they're going to hit 70 and raid consistently.

PS: A warrior who begs the whole guild for 2500g gets irritating btw.