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post Feb 8 2016, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Feb 8 2016, 02:15 AM)
For those using Plex, can you stream dts ma files smoothly? I get stuttering sound when I try playing those files from my notebook in another room on the Sharp UE630X. Using dual band router from Tplink. When I play smaller files it runs smoothly. What's the likely culprit?
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This is most probably due to bitrate. The wifi throughput you're getting is not enough. You need to improve your local network by using devices with more bandwidth or go for a wired connection with gigabit ethernet or av1200 powerline.

Maybe test out other big files and see how it goes first. Does the tv have ac wifi or only n? What about your notebook and your router? Which band are you using 2.4 or 5.0?

If only the sound is stuttering and the video is smooth, then try to downmix the audio to dts only. HD audio has high bitrate and needs a better network.

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post Feb 8 2016, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 8 2016, 08:44 AM)
This is most probably due to bitrate. The wifi throughput you're getting is not enough. You need to improve your local network by using devices with more bandwidth or go for a wired connection with gigabit ethernet or av1200 powerline.

Maybe test out other big files and see how it goes first. Does the tv have ac wifi or only n? What about your notebook and your router? Which band are you using 2.4 or 5.0?

If only the sound is stuttering and the video is smooth, then try to downmix the audio to dts only. HD audio has high bitrate and needs a better network.
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At the moment I'm using 2.4.. Will try out 5.0, thanks for your suggestions.

* found the problem. I used an old 10/100 switch to add more ports and plugged in the ethernet cable from the tv to the switch, restricting it's bandwidth. Looks like that needs to be upgraded. I unplugged the cable and connected it direct to the router and voila no more stuttering.

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post Feb 8 2016, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Feb 8 2016, 10:05 AM)
At the moment I'm using 2.4.. Will try out 5.0, thanks for your suggestions.

* found the problem. I used an old 10/100 switch to add more ports and plugged in the ethernet cable from the tv to the switch, restricting it's bandwidth. Looks like that needs to be upgraded. I unplugged the cable and connected it direct to the router and voila no more stuttering.
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Great troubleshooting there! It's important to ensure all parts of the network are gigabit to get the best speed.
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post Feb 8 2016, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Feb 8 2016, 10:05 AM)
At the moment I'm using 2.4.. Will try out 5.0, thanks for your suggestions.

* found the problem. I used an old 10/100 switch to add more ports and plugged in the ethernet cable from the tv to the switch, restricting it's bandwidth. Looks like that needs to be upgraded. I unplugged the cable and connected it direct to the router and voila no more stuttering.
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what audio did you get with plex streaming wifi dtshdma files?

u are doing optical out from tv to avr, right?
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for sharp ue630x users...

been trying all kinds pf picture settings.

i finally settle for this:

.. turn on eco1.
.. standard - use default reset.
.. movie - use default reset.

tv android apps (incc netflix, iflix), android box, acryan, bd player, - use movie.

hypptv - use standard (this one is ough becos diff channels come out diff video brightness, colors, sharpness).

since a standard or movie setting applies to all hdmi inputs and can't do individual variations, so it's either std or movie. there are also game, pc, dynamic settings which are irrelevant to me.

diff eyes see diff things.... please share yr settings, i can try them! biggrin.gif

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post Feb 9 2016, 02:58 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 8 2016, 12:41 PM)
what audio did you get with plex streaming wifi dtshdma files?

u are doing optical out from tv to avr, right?
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I still can get 5.1 but not dts ma, mainly due to limitation of the optical cable.

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Feb 9 2016, 02:58 AM)
I still can get 5.1 but not dts ma, mainly due to limitation of the optical cable.
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quite ok if dts 5.1 with optical out.

think should be same if using hdmi1/arc.

the tv hardware can't do hd audio, i would think.

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IMO, I believe it's best to get a HT/AVR with ARC, ample HDMI inputs and at least 1 HDMI output. At the very minimum, HD audio support up to the popular Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA. Maybe even Dolby Atmos. Cuz I believe (wouldn't blame them) TV manufacturers worry more about picture quality than HD audio options.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 8 2016, 12:50 PM)
for sharp ue630x users...

been trying all kinds pf picture settings.

i finally settle for this:

.. turn on eco1.
.. standard - use default reset.
.. movie - use default reset.

tv android apps (incc netflix, iflix), android box, acryan, bd player, - use movie.

hypptv - use standard (this one is ough becos diff channels come out diff video brightness, colors, sharpness).

since a standard or movie setting applies to all hdmi inputs and can't do individual variations, so it's either std or movie. there are also game, pc, dynamic settings which are irrelevant to me.

diff eyes see diff things.... please share yr settings, i can try them! biggrin.gif
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Where to find eco 1 setting?
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post Feb 10 2016, 01:33 AM

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Feb 9 2016, 08:32 PM)
Where to find eco 1 setting?
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under settings, control.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 10 2016, 01:33 AM)
under settings, control.
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When I click tv setup there are 3 categories
1) picture
2) audio
3) general

But no control under these 3 settings. Could it be your options are different?
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Feb 10 2016, 09:13 AM)
When I click tv setup there are 3 categories
1) picture
2) audio
3) general

But no control under these 3 settings. Could it be your options are different?
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no, not under tv setup.

on the tv launcher, go to the bottom.

settings, then control.

the same page where u access apps - the self installed apps.

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post Feb 11 2016, 07:56 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 10 2016, 11:18 AM)
no, not under tv setup.

on the tv launcher, go to the bottom.

settings, then control.

the same page where u access apps - the self installed apps.
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Found it thanks, it was already on eco 1. Will try a few calibration methods to see if I can get a better picture.

The only picture mode I can't take is Dynamic, the colours are too vibrant for long viewing that it hurts my eyes.
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Feb 9 2016, 08:05 AM)
IMO, I believe it's best to get a HT/AVR with ARC, ample HDMI inputs and at least 1 HDMI output. At the very minimum, HD audio support up to the popular Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA. Maybe even Dolby Atmos. Cuz I believe (wouldn't blame them) TV manufacturers worry more about picture quality than HD audio options.
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I already have an avr which support DTS MA and truehd, the limiting factor is the TV doesn't support those formats, and I haven't seen one that does. Best way to get those support now is add an Android box which does.
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Feb 11 2016, 08:00 AM)
I already have an avr which support DTS MA and truehd, the limiting factor is the TV doesn't support those formats, and I haven't seen one that does. Best way to get those support now is add an Android box which does.
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Yeah, same point... TVs (more towards PQ improvement than audio)... For those that want more, an external player & AVR that supports MKV, MP4, ISO, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, etc will do.
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QUOTE(voncrane @ Feb 11 2016, 09:41 AM)
Yeah, same point... TVs (more towards PQ improvement than audio)... For those that want more, an external player & AVR that supports MKV, MP4, ISO, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, etc will do.
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Well TVs are adding all this smart functions but they are all half baked coz these TVs can't even pass 5.1 properly let alone HD / aural audio. I suppose they just want to cater to the masses and keep costs down.

Maybe we will see a TV with built in AVR sometime in the future or maybe some form of project ARA for TVs biggrin.gif
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Looking forward to see what's in store for 2016. Especially cost improvements to Oled and introduction of HDR.

I hope the Sharp UE630X will keep me good company in the meantime. Will try to adjust my sitting position also in the meantime. Currently sitting 15 feet away which makes the TV look small. It's not easy to position furniture in the living area which will also affect the view of the scenery.

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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Feb 11 2016, 08:00 AM)
I already have an avr which support DTS MA and truehd, the limiting factor is the TV doesn't support those formats, and I haven't seen one that does. Best way to get those support now is add an Android box which does.
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yes. some years ago, smart tv's can ony do dd, can't even give audio with dts files!

those that can now do dd and dts incl arc/optical out are quite good already. biggrin.gif

i think it is not only cost of hardware but the licensing of the codecs - all that add to costs. tv makers rightly should focus on video, not audio.


about android box that can pass thru dtshdma/dd truehd/dd atmos, jdgobio commented in a previous post that this feature is an exception rather than the norm. so, do check carefully if buying one of them.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Feb 11 2016, 10:43 AM)
yes. some years ago, smart tv's can ony do dd, can't even give audio with dts files!

those that can now do dd and dts incl arc/optical out are quite good already. biggrin.gif

i think it is not only cost of hardware but the licensing of the codecs - all that add to costs. tv makers rightly should focus on video, not audio.
about android box that can pass thru dtshdma/dd truehd/dd atmos, jdgobio commented in a previous post that this feature is an exception rather than the norm. so, do check carefully if buying one of them.
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Yes, codec licensing appears to be an expensive affair to the extent that even mass manufacturers don't want to support them. In reality we are probably talking about just USD1-5 per item which I am sure most of us will gladly pay but manufacturers want to keep costs down as much as possible.
Sometimes its also that the hardware (SoC) is unable to support the audio but I have seen many cases where the SoC is disabled to not support the audio format due to licensing.
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 11 2016, 10:29 AM)
Well TVs are adding all this smart functions but they are all half baked coz these TVs can't even pass 5.1 properly let alone HD / aural audio. I suppose they just want to cater to the masses and keep costs down.

Maybe we will see a TV with built in AVR sometime in the future or maybe some form of project ARA for TVs  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(jdgobio @ Feb 11 2016, 02:13 PM)
Yes, codec licensing appears to be an expensive affair to the extent that even mass manufacturers don't want to support them. In reality we are probably talking about just USD1-5 per item which I am sure most of us will gladly pay but manufacturers want to keep costs down as much as possible.
Sometimes its also that the hardware (SoC) is unable to support the audio but I have seen many cases where the SoC is disabled to not support the audio format due to licensing.
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A TV with built-in basic features of an AVR? Perhaps.. Maybe the guys @ Xiaomi can make this a reality.. The Samsung One Connect Evolution Kit is kinda similar to being a "project ARA" for TVs. Well, the closest at least for now. Profits-wise, I doubt any all-in-one package will be introduced. It's like today's smartphones, manufacturers simply won't make that one phone to rule them all for a couple of years (minimum), why? Cuz they want us to replace it, there'll always be something missing.. biggrin.gif

Sure, those in the know who care about audio passthrough, formats, high res audio, etc won't mind paying even an extra $25 per TV to get codecs supported etc. But from the manufacturer's point of view, $25 x say 200 million units is a lot of lost profit, especially when the people who care about such issues are definitely "negligible" in the grand scheme of things. When a new UHD/SUHD is launched, people go gaga over color reproduction, clarity, motion, processing speed, upscaling engines, etc.. Very rarely do they bother about sound since TV speakers don't cut it anyway. I think the only way they'll all budge, is if it's made an international standard/requirement that all TVs (@ least Mid-range & above) be able to play and passthrough (HDMI) the latest codecs onto a supporting AVR/HT. That just might do it... smile.gif

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