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post Oct 18 2015, 10:05 PM, updated 2w ago

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Continue from v1
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Reorganisation will see AirAsia Group Berhad (AAGB)assuming AirAsia Bhd's listing status on Bursa Malaysia. According to AirAsia Bhd's extraordinary general meeting (EGM) and court-convened meeting notices, the reorganisation involves the exchange of 3.34 billion existing AirAsia Bhd shares for new AAGB shares on a one-for-one basis.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/tony...-reorganisation

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post Oct 18 2015, 10:44 PM

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post Oct 19 2015, 09:38 PM

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Great discussion in v1
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post Oct 20 2015, 07:26 AM

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airasia takeoff has been long gone, i will park my $$ at AAX instead. at Rm0.22 there is a potential to fly high in next year. Finger cross.
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post Oct 20 2015, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(JustForCheonging @ Oct 20 2015, 08:26 AM)
airasia takeoff has been long gone, i will park my $$ at AAX instead. at Rm0.22 there is a potential to fly high in next year. Finger cross.
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Should I invest for this too?

Now I am investing in TunePro (5230)…
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QUOTE(marine88 @ Oct 20 2015, 07:59 AM)
Should I invest for this too?

Now I am investing in TunePro (5230)…
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high risk high return bro. i am all in and hope for best.
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post Oct 20 2015, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(JustForCheonging @ Oct 20 2015, 09:56 AM)
high risk high return bro. i am all in and hope for best.
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post Oct 20 2015, 10:15 AM

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AirAsia today bridge RM1.60. What's the upside call on this counter?
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post Oct 20 2015, 05:59 PM

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some profit taking rolleyes.gif

closed @ 1.52 down 0.05
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post Oct 20 2015, 11:58 PM

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post Oct 23 2015, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(JustForCheonging @ Oct 20 2015, 08:56 AM)
high risk high return bro. i am all in and hope for best.
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you think airasia x profit will increase many?tt
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post Oct 23 2015, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(PLOUFFLE @ Oct 23 2015, 12:49 PM)
you think airasia x profit will increase many?tt
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"goodluck" is all i will say.

Nobody knows what lies on tomorrow, its my choice and so do u to pick what ever stock we think is good. I have faith that tony wont let theit investors drown into deep sea just that. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(JustForCheonging @ Oct 23 2015, 12:58 PM)
"goodluck" is all i will say.

Nobody knows what lies on tomorrow, its my choice and so do u to pick what ever stock we think is good. I have faith that tony wont let theit investors drown into deep sea just that. biggrin.gif
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ok.thanks.you put all eggs on a basket?
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QUOTE(PLOUFFLE @ Oct 23 2015, 01:11 PM)
ok.thanks.you put all eggs on a basket?
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not exactly, but we shall see.
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QUOTE(JustForCheonging @ Oct 23 2015, 01:22 PM)
not exactly, but we shall see.
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hah i also have some in AAX. still thinking whether should i let go or just keep it long term.
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post Oct 29 2015, 05:54 PM

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AirAsia could be a cheap privatisation
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/a...?type=Corporate
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post Oct 30 2015, 05:38 PM

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AirAsia founder Tan Sri Tony Fernandes began talks with bankers to take Asia's No.1 budget airline private after a plunge in its stock price put $200 million worth of loans borrowed against AirAsia's shares at risk, people familiar with the situation told Reuters.

The Malaysian entrepreneur and his business partner Datuk Kamarudin Meranun, respectively Group CEO and Chairman of AirAsia Bhd, borrowed the money against their 19 percent indirect holding in AirAsia from Credit Suisse and CIMB to help fund private ventures, people familiar with the situation said.

A fall in AirAsia's share price though has led to a breach of the loans' collateral terms, according to two sources, and is one reason why the two businessmen have begun talks for a possible management-led buyout.

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...risk/?style=biz
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post Oct 31 2015, 01:00 PM

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not similar risk for aax?
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post Nov 1 2015, 08:57 AM

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Anyone bought aax-wa? Unker wil-i-am sure have haha biggrin.gif
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post Nov 1 2015, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ Nov 1 2015, 08:57 AM)
Anyone bought aax-wa? Unker wil-i-am sure have haha biggrin.gif
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U can read my mind notworthy.gif
Yes, m holding both Aax n Aax-wa n awaiting the uptrend by Christmas brows.gif
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Nov 1 2015, 08:59 AM)
U can read my mind  notworthy.gif
Yes, m holding both Aax n Aax-wa n awaiting the uptrend by Christmas  brows.gif
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Super like! Hahaha this time u bought lower then me again??
Dunnnnn haha biggrin.gif nvm hope we can huat together by Christmas smile.gif

Ps: I am really keen to see what accounting magic or financial re-engineering takes place for AAX in the next few results to come. Too much negativity (losses), so Unker Tony and gang will definitely be doing something about it.

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post Nov 1 2015, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Nov 1 2015, 08:59 AM)
U can read my mind  notworthy.gif
Yes, m holding both Aax n Aax-wa n awaiting the uptrend by Christmas  brows.gif
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1 months and 23 days anything can happens.
For that amount of money you put in, with my way, I think by the time to Christmas, I already make 3-5 times more than you keep and wait laugh.gif
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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ Nov 1 2015, 09:02 AM)
Super like! Hahaha this time u bought lower then me again??
Dunnnnn haha biggrin.gif nvm hope we can huat together by Christmas  smile.gif

Ps: I am really keen to see what accounting magic or financial re-engineering takes place for AAX in the next few results to come. Too much negativity (losses), so Unker Tony and gang will definitely be doing something about it.
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It is not hard to hire few accountant firms to falsify the financial report. Almost all of the bosses are doing this.
Are you sure that AAX's fake report are investigated by accounting firm to know it is a fake report? Could it because of some party wants it to be like this so that the price will test new low.
Remember, during this period of time, we have to see who is keep on buying. By knowing this, it is not hard to know the reason the price drops.
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post Nov 1 2015, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Nov 1 2015, 09:57 AM)
1 months and 23 days anything can happens.
For that amount of money you put in, with my way, I think by the time to Christmas, I already make 3-5 times more than you keep and wait laugh.gif
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Goreng master detected that makes calls to buy and sell like Gordon Gecko! rclxms.gif tongue.gif

So your Bluestar Airlines is AAX? laugh.gif
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post Nov 1 2015, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ Nov 1 2015, 11:04 AM)
Goreng master detected that makes calls to buy and sell like Gordon Gecko!  rclxms.gif  tongue.gif

So your Bluestar Airlines is AAX?  laugh.gif
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Nope, my criteria on frying :
penny stocks
high volume
subjected to speculations

AAX was 1 of them last month, now the price is a bit high for me.
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post Nov 1 2015, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ Nov 1 2015, 09:02 AM)
Super like! Hahaha this time u bought lower then me again??
Dunnnnn haha biggrin.gif nvm hope we can huat together by Christmas  smile.gif

Ps: I am really keen to see what accounting magic or financial re-engineering takes place for AAX in the next few results to come. Too much negativity (losses), so Unker Tony and gang will definitely be doing something about it.
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Both my cost is below current price
Lets wait for their Q3/2015 results end of tis mth to determine the next movement
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post Nov 1 2015, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Nov 1 2015, 09:57 AM)
1 months and 23 days anything can happens.
For that amount of money you put in, with my way, I think by the time to Christmas, I already make 3-5 times more than you keep and wait laugh.gif
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Lets ride the upside momentum anytime now icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(hyzam1212 @ Oct 31 2015, 01:00 PM)
not similar risk for aax?
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I don't think Tony & co do the same thing for AAX shares.

AA listed long time compare with AAX.

& the share above IPO price for very long time compare with AAX sweat.gif
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Nov 1 2015, 12:32 PM)
Lets ride the upside momentum anytime now  icon_idea.gif
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Not for me for the time being whistling.gif
It already an open news, so do fry carefully icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 1 2015, 12:36 PM)
I don't think Tony & co do the same thing for AAX shares.

AA listed long time compare with AAX.

& the share above IPO price for very long time compare with AAX  sweat.gif
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Yup, Tony won't do this, now it is not making money. He will do this when they are making money.

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AirAsia major shareholders says no plans to take private
http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...vate/?style=biz

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AirAsia Bhd has hired lenders Barclays PLC, CIMB Group Holdings Bhd and RHB Capital Bhd to arrange financing through a US dollar medium-term note programme, IFR reported on Tuesday.

The report comes as Asia's biggest budget carrier earlier this month said major shareholders were evaluating "all strategic options" after Reuters reported that its chief executive was seeking investors to take the airline private.

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/a...?type=Corporate
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Why Wellington Investment and EPF selling so much of AA share today? Bad sign or good sign???


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post Nov 23 2015, 12:05 PM

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Still stuck in the 1.36~1.39 price point, seems we need to wait for the Q3 report to see any more movement.
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post Nov 26 2015, 11:32 PM

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AirAsia Bhd (AirAsia) sunk into the red in its third quarter ended Sept 30, 2015 (3Q15) with a net loss of RM405.72 million, dragged down by a foreign exchange (forex) loss on borrowings and losses from the share of results of associates and jointly-controlled entities, as well as one-off costs related to the sale and leaseback of aircraft.

Its forex loss came in at RM435.98 million, its filing to Bursa Malaysia today showed; it recorded a net profit of RM5.4 million in the previous year's corresponding period.

Thus, it posted a 14.6 sen loss per share in its 3QFY15, compared with an earnings per share (EPS) of 0.2 sen a year ago.

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/a...?type=Corporate
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share buyback meaning means good or bad ?
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post Dec 13 2015, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(ramsey012 @ Dec 13 2015, 07:30 PM)
share buyback meaning means good or bad ?
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Generally tis is gud for shareholders
Having said tat, some shareholders will opined to utilize surplus funds to retire bank borrowings
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Anyone read the airasia gmt research report?
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post Jan 13 2016, 09:54 PM

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AirAsia Bhd announced that 47.62 per cent of its issued and paid-up capital of 2.78 billion ordinary shares of RM0.10 each were held by foreigners as at Dec 31, 2015.

In a filing to Bursa Malaysia, the low-cost carrier said the percentage of ownership of shares in the company by foreigners had exceeded the limit of 45 per cent of its total issued and paid-up capital.

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Airasia posted very good 4Q15 result
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post Mar 7 2016, 11:39 AM

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Looks like it dropped a little.. but i think the company has hopes la cause introducing new routes this year. + With low fuel prices..
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thought the week before it was rising, now drop already.

why? What happened?
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QUOTE(TSOM @ Mar 8 2016, 11:10 AM)
thought the week before it was rising, now drop already.

why? What happened?
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Profit taking?
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post Mar 8 2016, 01:55 PM

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Malaysia's tycoon Fernandes' Indian roots may help skirt air rules
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/m...?type=Corporate

how tis "Overseas Citizen of India" thingy work? hmm.gif
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still got some lots @ rm1.20 grabbed from last year panic sell. thanks
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AirAsia India announces new CEO in management shake-up
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former American Express executive Amar Abrol will take over from Mittu Chandilya, stepping step down at the end of this month after almost three years in the job.

Abrol was most recently the CEO of a financial products start-up and spent 19 years at American Express, AirAsia India said.

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/a...?type=Corporate
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Potential privatisation by Tune Air (AirAsia founder) in partnership with China Everbright? dry.gif
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post Mar 28 2016, 06:35 PM

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privatisation price @ RM2.21 each, 20% premium to last Friday's closing price of RM1.84 hmm.gif

book value per share of RM1.60, as at December 2015.
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AirAsia set to announce fund raising of up to US$200mil - sources
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...il-say-sources/

Tune Air's stake in AirAsia to rise to 30% after share placement?
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ds-for-airasia/

lol I was thinking about privatisation news doh.gif

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 1 2016, 12:16 PM)
AirAsia set to announce fund raising of up to US$200mil - sources
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...il-say-sources/

Tune Air's stake in AirAsia to rise to 30% after share placement?
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ds-for-airasia/

lol I was thinking about privatisation news  doh.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Apr 1 2016, 12:16 PM)
AirAsia set to announce fund raising of up to US$200mil - sources
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...il-say-sources/

Tune Air's stake in AirAsia to rise to 30% after share placement?
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ds-for-airasia/

lol I was thinking about privatisation news  doh.gif
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Those who bought AA after hearing the rumor of privatization must be regretting now biggrin.gif


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Those who bought AA after hearing the rumor of privatization must be regretting now  biggrin.gif
private placement
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yes. regret big time bangwall.gif
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AirAsia Bhd plans to raise RM1bil from the issuance of new shares to the founders Tan Sri Anthony Fernandes and Datuk Kamarudin Meranun.

It said on Friday it would place out 559 million new shares at an issue price of RM1.84 per share to Tune Live Sdn Bhd, which is owned by Fernandes and Kamarudin.

AirAsia said the subscription shares account for 16.7% of its enlarged issued and paid-up share capital and are to be issued at RM1.84 each to be satisfied in cash.

The issue price of RM1.84 per subscription share was based on the five-market day VWAP of the shares up to March 31, 2016.

http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...s-to-tune-live/
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After the PP, long term prospect still good right?
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4 sen dividend is just a sweetener for a thing that going to turn sour.. ? 16.5% dilution.

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Sky-high DCA fees, airlines to pay up to 10 times present rate
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Based on the briefing given to the airlines, the ANFC charges will rise from five sen per nautical mile now to 50 sen for lightweight aircraft. For the bigger birds (the A320/A330 and B737/B777), the cost will rise from RM1-RM2.50 per nautical mile from 10-25 sen now, and the super jumbo A380 will see charges swelling to RM3 from 30 sen now. The minimum charges will be raised from RM5 to RM50 per nautical mile.

As for the AOC, which is a vital document for airlines to fly, the initial approval fees will balloon to RM80,000 yearly from RM400 now for mid-sized aircraft, and yearly renewals will rise from RM400 to RM30,000.

Pilots who have to be licensed to fly will have to fork out RM500 for their initial flight crew licence and RM300 for yearly renewals from RM100 and RM60 now.

http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...yhigh-dca-fees/
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AirAsia offers 50% discount to affected Rayani Air passengers
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AirAsia said the discount is applicable to all Rayani air passengers who hold a confirmed flight booking to and from Kuala Lumpur, Langkawi, Kota Baru, Kuching, and Kota Kinabalu, from today until April 27.

AirAsia said these passengers can present their flight tickets at any of AirAsia Travel & Service Centres at klia2 in Sepang, Langkawi International Airport, Sultan Ismail Petra Airport (Kota Bharu), Kuching International Airport, and Kota Kinabalu International Airport.

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/a...?type=Corporate

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Annual Report - 2015
http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed...cements/5081185
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AirAsia mulling international headquarters in Thailand, Thai DPM says
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Low-cost airline AirAsia is mulling the possibility of setting up its Internatioal Headquarters (IHQ) in Thailand as well as building its own airport in the country, said Thai Deputy Prime Minister Somkid Jatusripitak.

The matter, he said, was discussed when AirAsia’s founder and Group Chief Executive Officer Tan Sri Tony Fernandes made a courtesy call on Thai Prime Minister Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha at Government House yesterday.

The budget carrier’s owner, he said, also envisaged the consolidation of its subsidiaries in the region and listing the consolidated company on the Stock Exchange of Thailand (SET) or seeking a dual listing in Malaysia and Thailand.
- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia...h.iZ0bxToI.dpuf
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AirAsia introduces BIG loyalty card for civil servants
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2016...civil-servants/
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AirAsia Bhd posted an almost six-fold increase in its earnings for the first quarter ended March 31, 2016 to RM877.8mil, mainly due to higher revenue and lower fuel price.

http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...lmost-six-fold/
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 26 2016, 11:54 PM)
AirAsia Bhd posted an almost six-fold increase in its earnings for the first quarter ended March 31, 2016 to RM877.8mil, mainly due to higher revenue and lower fuel price.

http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...lmost-six-fold/
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I heard a number of "value investor" gurus targeting RM3.

Interesting thing is when I browsed thru their qtrly report, the forex gain is 400+mill which is half of the 800+ profit now.

If u look around, there's a lot of hedging and derivatives being used. Some of this figures are seriously damn huge, that I'm not sure whether the comp already has a new business segment specialising and focusing in all this instruments instead of their core biz.
I guess it's a lot of pressure for TF to make AA and AAX appear in the black a.s.a.p eh.
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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ May 27 2016, 05:21 PM)
I heard a number of "value investor" gurus targeting RM3.

Interesting thing is when I browsed thru their qtrly report, the forex gain is 400+mill which is half of the 800+ profit now.

If u look around, there's a lot of hedging and derivatives being used. Some of this figures are seriously damn huge, that I'm not sure whether the comp already has a new business segment specialising and focusing in all this instruments instead of their core biz.
I guess it's a lot of pressure for TF to make AA and AAX appear in the black a.s.a.p eh.
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well AA & AAX have bad record previously. so TF needed to do his level best to "save" the company. so I guess he found out 1 new tactic to make profit & make shareholders happy devil.gif

and juz heard my friend complaining about price hike on AA flight to KB for upcoming Raya. previous years paid around 1.5k for her whole family. Now she needed to pay around 1.9k bruce.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ May 27 2016, 06:02 PM)
well AA & AAX have bad record previously. so TF needed to do his level best to "save" the company. so I guess he found out 1 new tactic to make profit & make shareholders happy devil.gif 

and juz heard my friend complaining about price hike on AA flight to KB for upcoming Raya. previous years paid around 1.5k for her whole family. Now she needed to pay around 1.9k  bruce.gif
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airport tax also increased la... thats why.... but should be happy with that as an investor...
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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ May 27 2016, 05:21 PM)


Interesting thing is when I browsed thru their qtrly report, the forex gain is 400+mill which is half of the 800+ profit now.

If u look around, there's a lot of hedging and derivatives being used. Some of this figures are seriously damn huge, that I'm not sure whether the comp already has a new business segment specialising and focusing in all this instruments instead of their core biz.
I guess it's a lot of pressure for TF to make AA and AAX appear in the black a.s.a.p eh.
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LOL!

You seem to bery active here.
Why?
Here nobody la....

Forex gain? If you look at the segmental, it's actually 547 million plus.

But these type of gains.....
it's half wet half dry....
cos with the bulk of its billions and billions of loans still in USD...
AirAsia carries a massive chunk of unrealised loss in forex,

Like I said before...
Tony is STILL pissed poor in hedging.
When USD starts flying...
and the oil starts falling....
he fast hand fast leg...
scare lose....
and he went on a hedging orgy....
started hedging oil at 80++ (ahem... scroll down to the end of the report, look at the fair value of the fuel contract)
and also...
as per report...
AirAsia is still carrying more millions of barrels of fuel contracts.....
looks like AirAsia bought more.... laugh.gif

his crazed action....
was saved by the USD...
cos his hedging of the USD started around 3.20+.

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and yeah... you are right to ask...
and you probably wonder if he thinks he is hell of a super derivative trader. (he once almost lost the pants of airasia in hedging that he had to loudly claim that there will be no more bets (yeah.. that was the exact word used. 'bets') for Airasia.... whistling.gif

having said that he made one hell of a move recently....
and that seriously changed the fortunes around for AirAsia. tongue.gif


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LOL!

You seem to bery active here.
Why?
Here nobody la....

Forex gain? If you look at the segmental, it's actually 547 million plus.

But these type of gains.....
it's half wet half dry....
cos with the bulk of its billions and billions of loans still in USD...
AirAsia carries a massive chunk of unrealised loss in forex,

Like I said before...
Tony is STILL pissed poor in hedging.
When USD starts flying...
and the oil starts falling....
he fast hand fast leg...
scare lose....
and he went on a hedging orgy....
started hedging oil at 80++ (ahem... scroll down to the end of the report, look at the fair value of the fuel contract)
and also...
as per report...
AirAsia is still carrying more millions of barrels of fuel contracts.....
looks like AirAsia bought more....  laugh.gif

his crazed action....
was saved by the USD...
cos his hedging of the USD started around 3.20+.

rolleyes.gif

and yeah... you are right to ask...
and you probably wonder if he thinks he is hell of a super derivative trader.  (he once almost lost the pants of airasia in hedging that he had to loudly claim that there will be no more bets (yeah.. that was the exact word used. 'bets') for Airasia.... whistling.gif

having said that he made one hell of a move recently....
and that seriously changed the fortunes around for AirAsia. tongue.gif
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Welcome back and Thanks Sifu for making an appearance to give your insight on AA and Tony!
Hibernate for too long d. Lai come back discuss on stocks.
Well, let's see how Tony continues to perform with his mastermind tactics.

And yeah... he hedged for the next 3 qtrs already laugh.gif

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Well, let's see how Tony continues to perform with his mastermind tactics.

And yeah... he hedged for the next 3 qtrs already laugh.gif
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Mastermind tactics?

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So tell me....
What really changed fir AirAsia?


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Mastermind tactics?

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So tell me....
What really changed fir AirAsia?
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Sifu, I don't really follow AA or AAX as an investment. Not too keen on their industry too.

Not sure, whether the great move you were referring to was on the private placement (559 million new AA shares to Tune Live at RM1.84 per share).
To me, that was a psychological/tactical move to cement the share price above the RM2 mark added along with other tactical moves and sweeteners if you like.

The other key moves to me are as follows:

1. 4th Qtr 15
- hedged approx 58% of the US dollar liabilities
(Note: forex range from start (Oct) to end (Dec) was around 4.40 to 4.29. Lowest was 4.12)
- Fuel hedged for about 5+ months for 1st and 2nd qtr FY16
(Note: crude oil went from 47 to 37).
AA became more creative in this department by entering into Singapore Jet Kerosene fixed swaps (SJKFS), Brent options and Crack swaps arrangements as opposed to just SJKFS as noted in 1st qtr FY15.

VERSUS

2. 1st Qtr 16
- hedged approx 61% of the US dollar liabilities
(Note: forex range went from 4.29 to 3.90)
- Fuel hedged for the next 3 qtrs in FY16.
(Note: crude oil went from 37 to 39. Lowest was around 28).
The arrangement apart from those mentioned above was to add in Brent swaps.

Apart from the improved market sentiment (passengers increase @ load factor) on using AA plus other marketing schemes plus doing other interesting things in Thailand etc, I think the above plays a big role on the results and the next remaining few quarters to come.

Pass or Fail? blush.gif

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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ May 28 2016, 11:50 AM)
I don't really follow AA or AAX as an investment. Not too keen on their industry too.


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Understanding the business model helps.

long post...................................... tongue.gif

Many years ago....

Everyone knows that AA model is one that builds on leverage.
Using other people money to build your dream.
What a dream world.

And that is what Tony did.
He build up AirAsia from scratch with the massive help of borrowings.

As everyone knows...
You cannot borrow and borrow forever.....
and that's when Tony got into trouble few years ago....
With debts reaching 8 billion (or so ... cannot remember precisely) .....
and with the influx of more planes...
and with sales revenue not growing as fast as its debts.....
something had to give.....
Tony were forced to give the order to ask deferment of airplane delivery....
that slowed the borrowings down ( new planes equals many millions of new debt)...
and it worked....

..... and you can see clearly how AirAsia became a darling of many traders in late 2010....


(* its not whether you love or hate the industry but the need to understand what's happening *)

Can you see how much the stock rise?
Look chart......


and as you can see also in the chart....
AirAsia then started falling again in 2011....

After crawling out of the gates of hell of its debts problem...
which was caused by the fact that AirAsia could not possibly take in so many new orders of airplanes.....

AirAsia did the dumb dumb thing once more...
Arrogance I think....
AirAsia in 2011 announced it ordered 200 new planes...
worth over 50 billion ringgit....
so dumbfounding...
cos the old airplanes order....
AirAsia was already having trouble digesting....

that order...iif I would recall....
forced AirAsia to carry a capital commitment to buy new airplanes to be worth around 70+ billion.

Here was a company....
less than a billion cash...
carrying close to 10 billion in loans...
taking a new order, increasing the future airplanes purchase to over 70+ billion........
how to survive?

And that's why the stock tumbled...
and tumbled....

RECENTLY....

what changed?

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SALE and LEASEBACK!

Yup.... survival tactics..... selling own plane and then leasing back.
(makes one wonder...consider that AirAsia still has more than a hundred new planes to take delivery!)

this is where I don't understand...
cos I am not smart enough to be an accountant... tongue.gif
There is lease income...
and also lease expense...

for example... lease income this Q is 322 million (see note 10) (see how big a booster it was to the sales revenue?)
and then there's lease expense.... 111 million (income statement) ....

err.... err ....... (* I wish AirAsia was more transparent and give more details in its leasing. There is major money involved here!)

and then ..... borrowings went down a lot (thanks to the planes sold).....

and also ...
this year....
in Feb....
AirAsia again were forced to eat humble pie...
and asked Airbus to postpone delivery of 7 new airplanes. ( which begs again... why did Tony give that freaking order of 50 billion new airplanes back in 2011? Old order still got, order new one for what F***? )

and boom....
the balance sheet of AirAsia got a whole lot better.....


can this sustain?
in the short short term..... probably yes.
.... until..... airbus starts asking Tony about when he will take delivery of the new airplanes!)


and the stock chart.....

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Sifu, I hampir crap my pants after seeing your nice long post.
Reminds me back of the days when people use to write pen-pal letters manually. biggrin.gif

On more info on the sale and leaseback arrangement can refer to 2015 AR - Note 29 b).

AA's capital commitment hasn't reduced yet but still expanding...
If I'm not mistaken they were suppose to receive 15 A320s and four A320neos in 2016. Not sure how many deferments are there apart from the 7 mentioned by you earlier.

The only way for Uncle Tony to get a really GOOD night's sleep is to cancel some of the plane orders lo. 300+ plane of orders too excessive. No need to be a hero of the planet lo.

My wild guess is he will continue with the sales & leaseback arrangements with all his associates, create more spiderweb Related party transactions, then ultimately list all of them in their respective countries. Win kao kao to the max $$$$$$ after plenty of sleepless nights haha laugh.gif tongue.gif
Not surprised if he has other comps that he wants to bring for listing too (si beh not focused ar this Tony. Hand, leg and balls everywhere).

But hor, I think now he has done well la on the hedging part this round (considered lucky or bold?), I think he will going to continue to play the game until full delivery of all the planes.
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On more info on the sale and leaseback arrangement can refer to 2015 AR - Note 29 b).

AA's capital commitment hasn't reduced yet but still expanding...
If I'm not mistaken they were suppose to receive 15 A320s and four A320neos in 2016. Not sure how many deferments are there apart from the 7 mentioned by you earlier.

The only way for Uncle Tony to get a really GOOD night's sleep is to cancel some of the plane orders lo. 300+ plane of orders too excessive. No need to be a hero of the planet lo.

My wild guess is he will continue with the sales & leaseback arrangements with all his associates, create more spiderweb Related party transactions, then ultimately list all of them in their respective countries. Win kao kao to the max $$$$$$ after plenty of sleepless nights haha  laugh.gif  tongue.gif
Not surprised if he has other comps that he wants to bring for listing too (si beh not focused ar this Tony. Hand, leg and balls everywhere). 

But hor, I think now he has done well la on the hedging part this round (considered lucky or bold?), I think he will going to continue to play the game until full delivery of all the planes.
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You need to look at the bigger picture.
The fact is Tony is pretty much a very arrogant person and his hedging activities over the years shows his reckless gambling behavior.

Instead of focusing on current hedging form/result...
Go dig deeper.
Look at the historical results from AirAsia.
Go make a yearly comparison table...
No need any bloody fancy formula...

find out the past 10 years profit/losses in fuel and forex hedgng.
Go have a look.

For starters.... this wasn't too long ago.
http://themalaysianreserve.com/new/story/a...rex-losses-year



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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 29 2016, 09:48 AM)
You need to look at the bigger picture.
The fact is Tony is pretty much a very arrogant person and his hedging activities over the years shows his reckless gambling behavior.

Instead of focusing on current hedging form/result...
Go dig deeper.
Look at the historical results from AirAsia.
Go make a yearly comparison table...
No need any bloody fancy formula...

find out the past 10 years profit/losses in fuel and forex hedgng.
Go have a look.

For starters.... this wasn't too long ago.
http://themalaysianreserve.com/new/story/a...rex-losses-year
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Agreed. Once he starts hedging... difficult to stop to see whether the hedging is really essential for the business or not.

On the leasing part and doing IPO again, check out the latest news.
AirAsia gets US$1 bil offer to acquire leasing company
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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ May 30 2016, 02:42 PM)
Agreed. Once he starts hedging... difficult to stop to see whether the hedging is really essential for the business or not.

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There's actually a point much about that exercise. tongue.gif

You had pointed out the fact that a huge chunk of AirAsia profit is derived from its foreign gain.

What's more interesting or mind blowing is much of the gains is actually derived from AirAsia borrowings of the USD in the very first place (
so the gains is actually 'savings', would this be correct? and the rest comes from the hedging on USD, hedging of the jet fuel (lol .. Tony is not very good at jet fuel hedging cos he's getting burned many times) and hedging of the interest rates ...

So 3 type of bets... tongue.gif

And as we saw last year...
many, many millions was 'lost' ....

in fact....
every year..... millions were either lost or gain....

so the point is...........................

one cannot or should I say 'must not' treat such gains as extraordinary item gains...

Each year.... millions of forex gain or losses.....

so therefor.....

one needs to included this issue when considering investing/trading in AirAsia.

So if you think about it.....
if one is investing in AirAsia...
isn't one betting on whether Tony win or fail in his hedging bets? rolleyes.gif

so how should or how could one evaluate the risk?



* ps: if one had understood the past and knew what hat happened when AirAsia deferred their delivery of new aircrafts....
the one should realise how big a month it was for AirAsia the stock in Feb 2016.......

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Look at the historical results from AirAsia.
Go make a yearly comparison table...
No need any bloody fancy formula...

find out the past 10 years profit/losses in fuel and forex hedgng.
http://themalaysianreserve.com/new/story/a...rex-losses-year
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Just for fun. tongue.gif

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Just for fun.  tongue.gif

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AirAsia appointing advisors for sale of aircraft leasing biz
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...ft-leasing-biz/
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Airasia buys private jet.
LH buys from RH. Duh!

LOL !!!

*wink* *wink*

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AirAsia places order for 100 A321neos
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/a...?type=Corporate

wtf tony trying to do doh.gif take more debts huh bruce.gif
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http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/a...imb-ib-research

In his note to investors today, Yap said investors have generally been cautious on the potential orders, fearing that AirAsia is once again over-expanding.
"Investors did not like the additional 100 orders which come at a list price of US$125.7 million each, as they come on top of the undelivered 304 A320neo orders," he said.


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304 belum deliver...
Order 100 lagi.....


LOL

How to write the word DIE ah?



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just when we thought everything going to be good..

AA went on to order another 100 plans doh.gif

now back to old problem again..

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just when we thought everything going to be good..

AA went on to order another 100 plans doh.gif

now back to old problem again..
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100 plans?

what plans?

tongue.gif



seriously... do you know the rough implication?


roughly....

304 fei kei not yet taken by AirAsia.
How much? ________

Current cash balance. How much?
Current total loans. How much?

Add in 100 new one at USD$125.7 million each.

125 million x 100 = ..... ?

Add this figure to the 304 fei kei....

how many BEEEEEEEEEEE-lioooooons ?


15 year or 20 year delivery period?
So that BEEEEEEEEEEE-lioooooons divided by say 20. (20 years la. Tony's mouth gung fu so geng)


which means....

AirAsia.... has to find a way.... to beg or borrow.... or maybe gift-a-ton or donatr-ton....... tongue.gif
that much money........
in order to take in delivery of the new fei keis.....



you follow so far ah?

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so is Tony's new toy company...
there that the leasing company....
where AirAsia sell and then leaseback own fei kei....
so is this leasing company so geng ?






if you know history...
last time...
the same exact thing happened !




Dejavu baby!
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Memang déjà vu blush.gif..
Keep on buying new planes..
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Give u kasar numbers...

Cash 1.7 Billion ring
Total loans 10.9 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions.

304 fei kei ~ 86 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions.



now go add in the 100 new ones.







Tony head always kembang one....

mine too.

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Unker Tony is super aggressive eh.
Either way, I think it's good that he is bold and has big bola to do anything and everything.
If he is so pussy, how is everyone gonna make money haha tongue.gif
Chill and enjoy the game as it folds.
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Unker Tony is super aggressive eh.
Either way, I think it's good that he is bold and has big bola to do anything and everything.
If he is so pussy, how is everyone gonna make money haha tongue.gif
Chill and enjoy the game as it folds.
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Lol !

Typical.
Instead of simply saying chill...
Go do some research la ...

Like i said the same events happened before.
It went overly aggresive....
Bought many fei kei...
Stock tanked big time when its debts went crazy....
He was forced to eat humble pie....
Started to postpone delivery of fei kei...
No choice....
Debts too high...
No money...
Balance sheet imptoved immediately....
Stock soared....
He got cocky....
Lol....typical....
Ordered crazy amount of new fei kei.....
Stock tanked again....
Aax born..
No help...
Lol....
It soon became a penny stock....

Then it was forced to....
Sell and leaseback...
Private placement to raise funds...
Lol...owners ownself bought....
Lol.. owners ownself fry stock or maybe ..what if they could not find any other party to buy?....doesn't matter....
Then...it postoone delivery....

Now is one a trader or is one the stupid keyboard warrior?
Lol......

Stock flew of course....
Hmmmm.....
Why do people study history?

Lol...

Recent events....
Harloo....

Started to poke poke MAHB....
Buy corporate jets...
Talking big....
Started ordering many new fei kei....

Lol....
Washing machine?

Doesn't matter.........

Yeah I am a keyboard warrior....
My these comments are simply poison .....

Hahahahaha



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Lol !

Typical.
Instead of simply saying chill...
Go do some research la ...

Like i said the same events happened before.
It went overly aggresive....
Bought many fei kei...
Stock tanked big time when its debts went crazy....
He was forced to eat humble pie....
Started to postpone delivery of fei kei...
No choice....
Debts too high...
No money...
Balance sheet imptoved immediately....
Stock soared....
He got cocky....
Lol....typical....
Ordered crazy amount of new fei kei.....
Stock tanked again....
Aax born..
No help...
Lol....
It soon became a penny stock....

Then it was forced to....
Sell and leaseback...
Private placement to raise funds...
Lol...owners ownself bought....
Lol.. owners ownself fry stock or maybe ..what if they could not find any other party to buy?....doesn't  matter....
Then...it postoone delivery....

Now is one a trader or is one the stupid keyboard warrior?
Lol......

Stock flew of course....
Hmmmm.....
Why do people study history?

Lol...

Recent events....
Harloo....

Started to poke poke MAHB....
Buy corporate jets...
Talking big....
Started ordering many new fei kei....

Lol....
Washing machine?

Doesn't matter.........

Yeah I am a keyboard warrior....
My these comments are simply poison .....

Hahahahaha
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We have discussed before about him.

Key thing for me is he is very entrepreneurial and seems like a smart arse (or maybe that's his tonne of advisors).
So whatever he does... I dun think it really matters at all.
I just see more opportunities to trade or invest from whatever actions (whether it's dumb, smart, strategic or innovative) he makes in AA, AAX, tunepro, new listings etc.

For all u know, he could be a Master trader himself either directly or indirectly as well and plays a major role on the trend of his counters.

So if history were to supposedly repeat and AA drops to 1 Buck with other stories coming in later to defer the orders of the new planes or to do new listings etc, then not good for u? So just chill and let him play his game lo.
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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ Jul 14 2016, 06:54 AM)
So whatever he does... I dun think it really matters at all.
LOL!

Really it doesn't matter?

Look at the core numbers la...

Cash 1.7 Billion ring
Total loans 10.9 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions. (It was reaching 13 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions until he was forced to embark on his sales and leaseback program)

304 fei kei means total capital commitment of 86 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions.

86 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions if AirAsia takes delivery of 304 fei kei.

Go imagine for a moment or two or maybe you need more ....
Can 1.7 Billion buy 86 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions worth of fei kei?

Is the funding possible?

How much will AirAsia debts ballooooon to?

How many Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions?


if that was remotely even possible...

now bring in the super computers to do the math and add in the 100 new fei kei.....

can a company sustain such an illogical and reckless setup?




and so why does it matter?

it matters to me...
cos one day....
AirAsia will be one company drowned in Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions of debts....
and when it does fail.....

what will happen?

gift-a-ton to bailout AirAsia?

will it matters to me then?





... and needless to say I am chill ....
(actually that's such a stupid remark from me... do I go berserk or do I jump myself happily silly when I am a keyboard warrior. LOL! ) .... but unfortunately I have been wide awake and aware of such an unsustainable business model of AirAsia for many years already...

yeah... Tony gifts me the chance to fly cheap....
but I won't idolize just cos of that....
and neither will I idolize him for this recent wonderful, incredible flying stock.

LOL!

what to do...


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Aiyoyo. Awal pagi already Abang Boon3 sudah banyak energetic and excited oh.
Type long long and main with Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions.
Make Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions sound like tissue paper money d laugh.gif

Let Unker Tony manage his biz and play with his Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions lo.
Whether possible to fund ke, sustainable or not, to be bailed out eventually or whatever, let him do whatever he wants lo. Who knows we might have our kampung made "too big to fail" scenario and have a movie made about it biggrin.gif

Either way, I'm sure all the big boys are watching and taking notes.

PS: I was thinking last night, whether all this planes (about 400?) will still be used say after 2 to 3 decades. Why so hasty to over-commit and dominate everywhere. If there is a new tech or or even something close to a spaceship that comes out later, he could be screwed bad. But yeah, I'm sure he knows his biz well enuf to know what he is doing.
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i think this could be another episode of the last series, or an entire new show already.

time to collect and speculate when the price tank again?
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Aiyoyo. Awal pagi already Abang Boon3 sudah banyak energetic and excited oh.
Type long long and main with Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions.
Make Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions sound like tissue paper money d  laugh.gif

Let Unker Tony manage his biz and play with his Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions lo.
Whether possible to fund ke, sustainable or not, to be bailed out eventually or whatever, let him do whatever he wants lo. Who knows we might have our kampung made "too big to fail" scenario and have a movie made about it  biggrin.gif

Either way, I'm sure all the big boys are watching and taking notes.

PS: I was thinking last night, whether all this planes (about 400?) will still be used say after 2 to 3 decades. Why so hasty to over-commit and dominate everywhere. If there is a new tech or or even something close to a spaceship that comes out later, he could be screwed bad. But yeah, I'm sure he knows his biz well enuf to know what he is doing.
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...and that's becoming of our culture....





... in the stock market when the stock is correct.....
one is ALWAYS correct...
so correct one can not be wrong !


Many years I pointed out Ah Booo high fees for doing nothing....
But market hot...
Stock hot...
How can Ah Booo be wrong....

Now?
Lol !!!!




Ps when the publuc money is used for bailout....
Hope you diam and don't complain... tongue.gif





Oh... chiiiiiillll dude.
I may be wrong.....
My figures all fei kei one..
Pluck from sky.....



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Good to be a smartphone keyboard king !!!!!
Hell yea !!!!!!


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hahaha chillax lo Abang Boon3

U have made a huge killing already (or is it considered immaterial to you?) since u have made a correct assessment on their prior news and bet in the change in trend.
No one is saying AA is correct and a sure win stock forever. It's subjective.

But, I'm sure there will be more trends to come from Unker Tony's stocks. And I'm also sure u will be actively looking out for any good opportunities to trade after all your poison prerequisites are met. tongue.gif
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hahaha chillax lo Abang Boon3

U have made a huge killing already (or is it considered immaterial to you?) since u have made a correct assessment on their prior news and bet in the change in trend.
No one is saying AA is correct and a sure win stock forever. It's subjective.

But, I'm sure there will be more trends to come from Unker Tony's stocks. And I'm also sure u will be actively looking out for any good opportunities to trade after all your poison prerequisites are met.  tongue.gif
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Lol... yea...everything is subjective.
And if you trade the market long enough...
The market never always trade to its value or fundamentals....
That is why there is overvalue and undervalue ....
And oh....then there are the comatose.....

And that's why there is stock forum discussion.....

And the issue that is subjective at this moment....
Is not whether the stock is going up or going down...

The simple issue is the subject of airasia buying 100 new fei kei...
When it still has 300 plus fei kei ....
Yet to be delivered....

Yeah....so subjective.....why should we even be talking about it...
ESPECIALLY....
When the stock is clearly breaking out higher.....

LOL !




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Of course most important is the stock fei higher or lower.

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Oolala....new engine orders somemore...

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/a...ircraft-engines

So power Tony.
Lol



Ah Boon sure wrong....
See....

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/a...rs-good-airasia




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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jul 14 2016, 11:59 AM)
Oolala....new engine orders somemore...

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/a...ircraft-engines

So power Tony.
Lol
Ah Boon sure wrong....
See....

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/a...rs-good-airasia
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Just a couple more Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions in the capcom. No worries mate~ rclxs0.gif
They won a number of dildo awards too eh from the “Oscars of the Aviation Industry” tongue.gif
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Syukur~~~  laugh.gif
Just a couple more Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions in the capcom. No worries mate~  rclxs0.gif
They won a number of dildo awards too eh from the “Oscars of the Aviation Industry”  tongue.gif
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http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...1bil-in-2-days/

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PETALING JAYA: Two days in London and AirAsia Bhd boss Tan Sri Tony Fernandes has signed two deals worth RM61bil for aircraft and engine purchases.



QUOTE
“AirAsia was the belle of the ball...RM61bil in two days. (I feel) very good,” said Fernandes in an SMS to StarBiz
Sounding damn cocky once more....

It was just recently that AirAsia the stock was dying....

Never change. LOL!
Same old same old.

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On Tuesday, AirAsia lifted airplane maker Airbus’ order books by signing a US$12.6bil (RM49.9bil) deal to buy 100 A321neo aircraft. A day later, it signed a US$2.7bil (RM10.7bil) deal with CFM International for 200 engines to power the 100 A321neo aircraft.
List price.

20% discount ah?
LOL! tongue.gif

Haiyaaaa.... make it 25% la.... why? Tony mouth geng ma!

So we are talking about 45.7 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions

Existing order of 304 fei kei.
In latest account, these order is worth 86 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions
Give or take a couple 86 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions to account for USD fluctuations laaa...
Note majority of debts is in USD.
Note last I remember a portion of the debts is hedged at USD3.50 to the ringgit.

So.....
drum roll phluzzzzzzzzzzeeeeeeeeeeeeeee......

the new order means...
AirAsia is committed to buy 131.75 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions worth of fei kei and engines!


* note if AirAsia has no marney, it has to do what it is so good at.... ie.... borrow! *

Note its balancing shiiit shows cash 1.7 Billion
Total loans 10.9 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions. (It was reaching 13 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions until he was forced to embark on his sales and leaseback program) (LOL! Copy and paste from recent own remarks)

Note....
Does this sound remotely possible...
Can a person who has cash asset of 1.7 86 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiion and currently owing 10.9 86 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions COMMIT itself to buy new assets worth 131.75 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions????


Where is the damn calculator????

LOL!

Yes, yes, yes.... the 131.75 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions is not one time one...
can split...
can postpone one....
but assuming a time span of .... not 20.... but 25 years....
AirAsia is committing itself to 5.27 Beeeeeeeeeee-liiiiions worth of new asset EACH year....

do the math....
do the risk assessment of such ridiculously absurd corporate exercise........







note:
this posting does not suggest anything about the stock....
I am no fortune teller...
I can not tell you if the stock will fei or lam.... tongue.gif
do contact your own saham bomoh.... laugh.gif

note:
previous postings earlier have NOTED that its hedging profits and losses is a huge integral of the company...
sometimes much more than the fei kei's core profits.....
yeah... a company whose fortunes depends a lot on the company's gamble in the oil and forex company.


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Wah Abang Boon ini still very turn on by AA. thumbsup.gif
Kipidap and Curry On~! icon_rolleyes.gif

PS: why don't u write a formal letter to Unker Tony and AA's BOD stating your concerns? If u're more bold, cc that letter to the press and that would mean they need to officially reply u wink.gif

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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

Wah Abang Boon ini still very turn on by AA.   :thumbsup:
Kipidap and Curry On~!   icon_rolleyes.gif

PS: why don't u write a formal letter to Unker Tony and AA's BOD stating your concerns? If u're more bold, cc that letter to the press and that would mean they need to officially reply u  wink.gif

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So I write...
You say chillax....
Errr...
Now I write to myself....
You are troubled with me talking to meself?

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And you ask me to write to BOD?

LOL !

Eat full ah?
Harlooooo.... I am not even a shareholder....
Write for what?



Lol !


Tell you what....
Why don't you show where and what I am writing to meself is wrong?
Why is my risk assessment wrong?


Be subjective maaah



Wait..... I chlillax dulu.....


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A msg to yourself with a lot of notes for other people eh brows.gif
Nothing wrong with your risk assessment and nothing wrong with your postings.
Ps: who dare to comment u're wrong la? whistling.gif

Erm... who said u can't write in to the BOD without being an investor in their company?
Alternatively just buy 1 lot lo.

I think the points u have raised are interesting and any layman can relate to them. So I'm keen to see what is Tony or mgmt's response to your points.

Shouldn't be that difficult to write a letter for a self-declared key-board warrior tongue.gif
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AirAsia's leasing unit to receive 30 percent of A321neo order.

Asia Aviation Capital also said it had identified a likely chief executive officer for the firm with "decades of experience in the aircraft leasing industry" and a chief financial officer, but did not disclose the names of the likely new executives.

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AirAsia's leasing unit to receive 30 percent of A321neo order.

Asia Aviation Capital also said it had identified a likely chief executive officer for the firm with "decades of experience in the aircraft leasing industry" and a chief financial officer, but did not disclose the names of the likely new executives.

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waaa..... 30% ah?



* wtf am I reading and posting *

lol .... delete...delete

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my only worry is then the company failed, our gomen come out to bailout (which I doubt) since they already have big headache with MAS blush.gif

hope the new CEO & CFO is good & have a lot of experiences .. if not GG wor..
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my only worry is then the company failed, our gomen come out to bailout (which I doubt) since they already have big headache with MAS blush.gif

hope the new CEO & CFO is good & have a lot of experiences .. if not GG wor..
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the thing is ....
if and when it does happen... (cannot run away one la .....)
my question is where is Tony then ???

and where all the folks who are nice nice carry bola and grant him to be the far related UNCLE Tony?

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Just sold off my holdings in AirAsia. Made a 79% profit.
Hopefully we will see a drop again soon? XD
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Just sold off my holdings in AirAsia. Made a 79% profit.
Hopefully we will see a drop again soon? XD
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A little more than a year boss
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guess upcoming results must be very good blush.gif
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Malaysia's AirAsia values leasing arm at $1 bln -investor presentation
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/m...?type=Corporate
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AirAsia’s monetisation plan
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...etisation-plan/

Looking forward to special dividend from the plan
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AirAsia’s monetisation plan
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...etisation-plan/

Looking forward to special dividend from the plan
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Ask yourself the most logical question.

Why the need for all these monetisation plans or many would put it business RESTRUCTURING.

yeah... why do business restructure?

why?


Special dividend?
LOL!

Look at the balance sheet laaaa...
Not difficult to look one.





hehe... or maybe you just like posting to increase your post count.

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Sorry to say.
No special dividend because the sale is to reduce debt or working capital or any others stuff the company needed...
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Some said upcoming Q2 >500 million. Let's wait for the result later today.


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Airasia's Q2 report out. Around 340 mil. Yoy increased by a lot. I'm happy!!! rclxm9.gif

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed...cements/5191657


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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 29 2016, 07:24 PM)
tomorrow price up up brows.gif
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Yes, will go up. News of Airasia's monetisation plan will be out this week.

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Yes, will go up. News of Airasia's monetisation plan will be out this week.
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Airasia's board approves divestment plan. Once this is done, AA can focus on it's core business and expansion.

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/a...ft-leasing-unit
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Those holding can start selling now blush.gif
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Dah become stock jedi master adviser ah? tongue.gif

Ok... some 3 sen worth.

Earnings is actually ..... OK.

ya.. some say fuel hedges... some say forex hedges .... some say interest rates hedges.... have distorted the earnings...
some even pointed out the massive tax exemption (which someone AirAsia declares the exemption as an asset and books profit from it. - the tax exemption (close to a billion plus was granted to AirAsia to help it purchase airplanes (innm) )

But as discussed earlier with someone else....
Airasia should be an entity ( thanks to its big boss ) that should valued WITH all its hedging activities.

Yes. Count all the hedges profits + losses...
It's in the boss dna...
he gambles with the hedges....
and mind you...
we are all aware that he started his fuel hedges when oil was 80++
and yeah... the size of the hedges... it's pretty scary....

And these hedges profits and losses are huge...
many times they dwarf the actual airline operating profits... wink.gif

yea... so what... a profit is still a profit... some say.

and as mentioned/discussed before...
the deferment of aircraft deliveries helped a lot.

Simple..
when it takes delivery of an aircraft...
they have to pay for it...
and AirAsia thru its dna...
is an entity that views the bank is their bestest friend...
so they borrow the fark out of the bank to finance their airplanes...
since they all the way has so little capital...
now when it defers an aircraft...
they take on less borrowing...
less borrowing means less stress on balance sheet...less loan interest to pay...

and needless to say...
such activity/strategy cannot last forever...
it was hurting BIG TIME...
as the stock crashed to a penny stock...
it was clearly dying...
NO MONEY!!!!

and of course the selling of their own aircraft and leasing back helped a lot...

look at the balance sheet...
total loans ONLY stood at around 10 billion ( yea.. being sarcastic here )

ok... cash flow was very poor....

but overall it was OK.

decent.


but then...
the longer term view....
it's still on the suicide road....

simple la...
one man...
got a billion ringgit...
this one man...
wants to embark on a project to buy 100 billion plus worth of 'business asset'....
asset which are rather extremely appreciative in nature....
this one man...
decides that via financing...
his project is viable....
how?
can it work?

you tell me.... smile.gif




Ooo.... stock is UP.
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let's hope after the selling off the leasing arm, better future for AA dry.gif
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well said boss  rclxms.gif  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:

let's hope after the selling off the leasing arm, better future for AA  dry.gif
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HLIB says accumulate AirAsia shares laugh.gif
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...airasia-shares/

Accumulate AirAsia shares and ride with the expected corporate restructuring exercises, earnings growth and higher dividend payout in 2017 laugh.gif laugh.gif
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China Merchants, Ping An units among bidders for AirAsia plane leasing unit - sources
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...unit---sources/

Chinese firms to the rescue devil.gif China ke arah kuasa besar dunia laugh.gif
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AirAsia injects RM1b into Indonesia ops
http://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...-indonesia-ops/

seems like some bailout devil.gif
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Sina, Youku name AirAsia the most influential airline in China
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/my/article/s...?type=Corporate


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anyone here still holding this counter?
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worth to buy since TF hints on better profit?
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Korea Transportation Asset Management (KOTAM) preferred bidder for Asia Aviation Capital Ltd?
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What's the deal here with AA? I only have a very small allocation to the company but kinda interesting how it has run up these past two days!
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What's the deal here with AA? I only have a very small allocation to the company but kinda interesting how it has run up these past two days!
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What's the deal here with AA? I only have a very small allocation to the company but kinda interesting how it has run up these past two days!
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and reduce some debts..

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is it a good price to sell now, like above RM3??
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is it a good price to sell now, like above RM3??
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Average TP is like RM3.60+

U sure u wanna run so fast? P/E wise it's still quite "cheap"

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Vietnamese airlines battle over air fare floor price proposal

The Transport Ministry says it will study the proposal carefully before making a final decision.
National flag carrier Vietnam Airlines has proposed to the aviation authority to set a floor price for air tickets, similar to a plan sought by its subsidiary Jetstar Pacific, but budget airline VietJet has opposed the move, saying it would create "unfair competition".

Vietnam Airlines, which reported a huge loss in late 2016, suggested the floor price for domestic air fares should be set at between VND1.54 million and VND4.2 million ($68-$185) in a proposal sent to the transport ministry in late March.

The Civil Aviation Authority of Vietnam (CAAV) is seeking opinions from airlines whether to raise the air fare cap for economy class by 7-16 percent from the current range of VND1.6 million to VND3.75 million.

Jetstar Pacific, one of Vietnam's two budget airlines, has suggested the floor be set at 29-34 percent of the cap. The carrier is 70 percent owned by Vietnam Airlines, while Australia's Qantas Airways owns the remaining 30 percent.

But VietJet Air, Vietnam's only private airliner, said setting a price floor is not a common rule worldwide and is also against Vietnam’s Competition Law.

“The rule will hinder the opportunities for low-cost carriers. That means it will create unfair competition,” a VietJet representative said.

Lai Xuan Thanh, head of the CAAV, said the aviation authority has yet to make a proposal to the transport ministry, and the idea of a floor price comes from the carriers.

http://e.vnexpress.net/news/business/vietn...al-3565328.html


If floor price is implemented, Tony's AAV (Asia Adult Video Air Asia Vietnam) will be in trouble unsure.gif
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AirAsia Bhd signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) with China Everbright Group and the Henan Government Working Group to jointly explore the planned establishment of a budget airline in China.

AirAsia told Bursa Malaysia today that the MoU enabled AirAsia, Everbright and the Henan Government "to confirm their interest" in forming joint venture (JV) entity AirAsia (China). Henan is a province in central China.

AirAsia said the MoU parties planned to incorporate AirAsia (China) in Henan's capital city Zhengzhou, which is intended to be the headquarters of AirAsia (China).

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/airasia-plans-china-jv

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AirAsia Bhd signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) with China Everbright Group and the Henan Government Working Group to jointly explore the planned establishment of a budget airline in China.

AirAsia told Bursa Malaysia today that the MoU enabled AirAsia, Everbright and the Henan Government "to confirm their interest" in forming joint venture (JV) entity AirAsia (China). Henan is a province in central China.

AirAsia said the MoU parties planned to incorporate AirAsia (China) in Henan's capital city Zhengzhou, which is intended to be the headquarters of AirAsia (China).

http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/airasia-plans-china-jv

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Yeah!! Still waiting on their disposal of their unit AAV for 3.5 billion.  cry.gif

http://dividendmagic.com.my/2017/02/23/airasia/
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Fingers crossed though!
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Name changed from AirAsia Berhad to AirAsia Group Berhad..

AirAsia consolidates biz under AirAsia Group
https://themalaysianreserve.com/2018/01/09/...-airasia-group/
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another future listing...

AirAsia Group may relist M’sian ops to unlock value
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/aira...ps-unlock-value
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what's cooking with AirAsia??

dropped like 5%

closed @ rm 3.96, down 24sen hmm.gif
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Is AA good to buy now or wait a bit more first?
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AirAsia claiming RM480m damages from MAHB because of operating at klia2 (mainly due to the loss of customers in the last four years, owing to disruptions and poor condition of the terminal).

https://www.thesundaily.my/business/airasia...m-mahb-CJ469253

walao like this also can...
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actually what AA mention have valid point too...
KLIA2 design is really failed... I don't know what the authorities thinking when designing it.. given choice.. would rather use KLIA even it's kinda old. at least it much better...
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Crude oil prices dropped. Good enough reason to buy AA now?

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Oil prices dip on rising U.S. rig count

Crude prices dipped early on Monday in Asia as U.S. drilling activity picked up and as Russia's biggest oil producer pressured President Vladimir Putin to end the supply cut deal with Middle East-dominated producer club OPEC.

U.S. West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude futures were at $52.44 per barrel at 0036 GMT, down 28 cents, or 0.5 percent, from their last settlement.

International Brent crude oil futures were down 10 cents, or 0.2 percent, at $62 a barrel.

In the United States, energy firms last week increased the number of oil rigs operating for the second time in three weeks, a weekly report by Baker Hughes said on Friday.

Companies added 7 oil rigs in the week to Feb. 8, bringing the total count to 854, pointing to a further rise in U.S. crude production, which already stands at a record 11.9 million barrels per day (bpd). <C-OUT-T-EIA>

Elsewhere, the head of Russian oil giant Rosneft, Igor Sechin, has written to the Russian President Vladimir Putin saying Moscow's deal with the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) to withhold output is a strategic threat and plays into the hands of the United States.

The so-called OPEC+ deal has been in place since 2017, aimed at reining in a global supply overhang. It has been extended several times and, under the latest deal, participants are cutting output by 1.2 million bpd until the end of June.

OPEC and its allies will meet on April 17-18 in Vienna to review the pact.

Preventing crude prices from falling much further have been U.S. sanctions on Venezuela, targetting its state-owned oil firm PDVSA.

"The issues in Venezuela continue to support prices. Reports are emerging that PDVSA is scrambling to secure new markets for its crude, after the U.S. placed additional sanctions on the country," ANZ bank said on Monday.
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Thai AirAsia owner in talks to buy stake in rival Nok Air
http://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/thai...e-rival-nok-air

Thai AirAsia - Nok Airlines mergers later on blink.gif brows.gif endless possibilities blush.gif
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Asia's largest budget carrier posted a bigger than expected loss of 395 million ringgit
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but it's expected....
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KUALA LUMPUR: AirAsia Group Bhd group chief executive officer (CEO) Tan Sri Tony Fernandes on Thursday said the low-cost carrier made all the right moves in 2018.

His comment came after the low-cost carrier announced its largest ever quarterly loss of RM394.97 million, prompting some analysts to downgrade the group. And the airline share price has tumbled from the peak of RM3.84 a year ago.

In a tweet from his handle @tonyfernandes yesterday, Fernandes said, “Made all the right moves in 2018 cutting-cost, adding capacity, taking market share and setting up new business like Red Logistics which is going to be huge.

“AirAsia operates the group’s logistics businesses via RedCargo Logistics Sdn Bhd. The stars appear to be lining up. Asean airlines will all make money this year. India and Japan reduce losses. Cash strong. Oil is 54% hedged and stable. Currencies stronger,” read the tweet.

However, Fernandes said AirAsia was really hurt by the closure of Boracay in the Philippines and numerous national disasters in Indonesia which led to huge losses.

On the co-founder’s comment thatAirAsia Group was doing all the right things, for shareholders one could be the bumper dividend that it has declared for the financial year ended Dec 31, 2018 (FY18).

The airline has rewarded its shareholders generously with a total dividend of 24 sen per share along with a special dividend of 40 sen, translating into a payout ratio of 108% — it pays out more than it earns to reward shareholders. Its annual earnings per share for FY18 came in higher at 59.2 sen versus 49.3 sen the year before.

Being the controlling shareholder Fernandes, who owns the most shares, has more reason to smile.

His two investment vehicles — Tune Live Sdn Bhd and Tune Air Sdn Bhd, which collectively hold 1.075 billion shares, or a 32.18% stake, are receiving RM688 million cash in dividends for FY18.

It is worth noting that the low-cost carrier declared 12 sen dividend per share in FY17. For the block of 1.075 billion shares, Fernandes and his partner Datuk Kamarudin Meranun received dividends of RM210 million in FY17.

The duo are surely laughing all the way to the bank for the good investment they made in the airline.

To recap, in April 2016, Fernandes and Kamarudin announced a massive RM1 billion capital injection by them through placement of new shares into AirAsia.

Some 559 million new shares, or a 16.7% stake of the enlarged capital were then issued to their vehicle, Tune Live, at RM1.84 each.

This bumped up their shareholdings to 32.5% from 19%.

AirAsia share price has been on the decline since the first quarter last year from the peak of RM3.84 in March last year to a low of RM2.07 in October last year.

Still, yesterday’s closing of RM2.77 is higher than the placement price of RM1.84 then.

The aviation stock succumbed to heavy selling pressure yesterday amid the gloomy outlook that the group might have seen its peak in terms of profitability as some analysts described having combed through the latest financial numbers. Its share price slid 8.9% or 27 sen to RM2.77.

Nonetheless, Fernandes will probably disagree with such a view as the airline has made the right moves.
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SEMENYIH: Low cost carrier, AirAsia, aims to roll out the face recognition system for flight boarding at selected airport across Malaysia this year.

Deputy group chief executive officer Aireen Omar said the face recognition's pilot project is currently being done at the Senai Airport, Johor.

"Since the pilot test began, we have firmed up and improved the whole technology and we are looking to roll up at the various airport throughout Malaysia," she told reporters after the launching of Aviatar 2019 Hackathon competition here today.
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good news... Now seems like some Developed countries using it...
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facial recognition? nice wo. like high tech
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Yes. Nice. Very high technology...
But just hope the systems is stable... If not really issues.. Also risk of being hack also there 😈
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People buying up before 11th march for dividend. Might drop after 11th if you looking for cheaper price.
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AirAsia to benefit if govt does away with Malaysia Airlines, says HLIB Research sweat.gif
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/aira...s-hlib-research


who gave Tony the rights to buy over Loss Making AirAsia airline years ago whistling.gif
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Airasia went down to 2.63 today. Anyone buying?

I going to buy for medium term and div , good??
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Airasia 2.53 today. Anyone buying yet? smile.gif

Everyone can fly or not??

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Wow! Went down a lot already
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AIRASIA GROUP BERHAD ("AAGB" OR THE "COMPANY")
PROPOSED SHARE BUY-BACK AUTHORITY OF UP TO TEN PER CENT (10%) OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ISSUED SHARES OF AAGB ("PROPOSED SHARE BUY-BACK")

The Board of Directors of AAGB wishes to announce that the Company will be seeking the approval of its shareholders for the Proposed Share Buy-Back at the forthcoming Annual General Meeting of the Company.



A circular containing details of the Proposed Share Buy-Back will be issued to the shareholders of the Company in due course.



This announcement is dated 26 April 2019.
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It looks like an aggressive group considering its diversified biz venture (latest is FinTec biz).
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- The only new fintech co doesn't try to build its own QR code network but leverage on existing infra.
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- When EMV tokenization implementations like Apple Pay/Google Pay enter, BigPay is the only one outside of big banks that can work with them.

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QUOTE(KPPY @ Mar 4 2019, 04:49 PM)
SEMENYIH: Low cost carrier, AirAsia, aims to roll out the face recognition system for flight boarding at selected airport across Malaysia this year.

Deputy group chief executive officer Aireen Omar said the face recognition's pilot project is currently being done at the Senai Airport, Johor.

"Since the pilot test began, we have firmed up and improved the whole technology and we are looking to roll up at the various airport throughout Malaysia," she told reporters after the launching of Aviatar 2019 Hackathon competition here today.
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singapore already using it. when i q at AA departure lanes, they ady use facial recognition system. Might be fast or slow, depends on your face.
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singapore already using it. when i q at AA departure lanes, they ady use facial recognition system. Might be fast or slow, depends on your face.
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Singapore is high risk country. So the security must be at top. Since they one of the main entry to Asia.
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lol. i am one of those ppl which bought in Airasia anticipating the special dividend payment.

After 1 year, factor in the dividend received and unrealized loss on share price, i am at a breakeven position. Even investing in FD brings me more return LOL
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lol. i am one of those ppl which bought in Airasia anticipating the special dividend payment.

After 1 year, factor in the dividend received and unrealized loss on share price, i am at a breakeven position. Even investing in FD brings me more return LOL
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3.06  sad.gif Now at paper loss d, even with the dividends  sweat.gif
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what do you think about the company? Is there any future? If yes, then you should increase some units to lower your purchase price now.


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btw, does anyone know what's AA door gift for their AGM this year??
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90 sen special dividend!
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hmm gg. but hor, looking at last year trend, even with the SD,the unrealized paper loss willoffset all the dividend received LOL
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Prior this Red tune (Tony and kamaruddin holding company) subscribe about RM1bil private placement at RM1.80 per share. Now they have received special dividend of about RM1.3bil until to date (40 cents + 90 cents special dividend).

Where goes the dividend come from? It is by selling and leaseback the plane to a third party, mind u airasia has to spend a huge sum of money to refurbish and hand over, after leasing period has to refurbish back to good condition back to lessor. Now my question is about this, why does Airasia need to sell plane while its core business is in airline. They still has to pay rental at higher rate with fix term, in the mean time have to pay for plane maintenance as well.

It is fine where they sell the old plane, lease it for 5-7 years then proceed with the A320 neo where fuel consumption is lesser, if u read the report, the lease is about 15 years.
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QUOTE(yhtan @ May 29 2019, 11:48 PM)
Prior this Red tune (Tony and kamaruddin holding company) subscribe about RM1bil private placement at RM1.80 per share. Now they have received special dividend of about  RM1.3bil until to date (40 cents + 90 cents special dividend).

Where goes the dividend come from? It is by selling and leaseback the plane to a third party, mind u airasia has to spend a huge sum of money to refurbish and hand over, after leasing period has to refurbish back to good condition back to lessor. Now my question is about this, why does Airasia need to sell plane while its core business is in airline. They still has to pay rental at higher rate with fix term, in the mean time have to pay for plane maintenance as well.

It is fine where they sell the old plane, lease it for 5-7 years then proceed with the A320 neo where fuel consumption is lesser, if u read the report, the lease is about 15 years.
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I am new to stock. Wish to buy hold some dividend counter.

Is AA still healthy?

Keep giving out divided but the revenue flatish or dropping is not the way. Some more this gov keep pressing them the lower fare.

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ May 30 2019, 07:41 AM)
I am new to stock. Wish to buy hold some dividend counter.

Is AA still healthy?

Keep giving out divided but the revenue flatish or dropping is not the way. Some more this gov keep pressing them the lower fare.
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special dividend is derived from sale and leaseback of the existing fleet, it is one off dividend.

Healthy - Yes. But in future their cost will be higher
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special dividend is derived from sale and leaseback of the existing fleet, it is one off dividend.

Healthy - Yes. But in future their cost will be higher
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1. The sale of the leaseback company. It really sounds so Donald Duck.

Lemme get this correct...

A. They borrowed like hell to purchase planes - wassit 80 billion worth? Or somewhere around there...

B. Deep in debts. Did their debt reached over 10 billion at one time?

C. To cut this debt problem down, they started doing sales and leaseback of the planes, which they grossly overbought.

D. They then do a Sale of that sales and leaseback company and they also did THAT private placement with its own bosses. Sold some planes too.

2. So they got money.

3. With that money and a slower acceptance of new planes from that mega planes purchase order, cash flow looked OK.

4. Now with a rich pocket, they decided to do special dividends? Huh?

That's right. HUH! 2 special dividends. Is that even remotely prudent??????

Backlog of planes, that runs into billions.. yeah.. much more than that 42 billion... still exists. Multi Billion backlog of planes ordered, and with the money thinks they are so rich that they give away their money like confetti?

So what logically will happen next? My guess? As they start accepting new planes, they will seek funding, more borrowings. What then? Sale and leaseback again?

See where it is going?

Would you call it healthy? Will I?





Lastly, the stock price will be readjusted once this special dividend goes ex. Yup. Minus back that 90 sen......



Oh.. satu lagi. Anyone noticed how shitty the earnings was? Anyone bothered why? Lol

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QUOTE(yhtan @ May 29 2019, 11:48 PM)
Prior this Red tune (Tony and kamaruddin holding company) subscribe about RM1bil private placement at RM1.80 per share. Now they have received special dividend of about  RM1.3bil until to date (40 cents + 90 cents special dividend).

Where goes the dividend come from? It is by selling and leaseback the plane to a third party, mind u airasia has to spend a huge sum of money to refurbish and hand over, after leasing period has to refurbish back to good condition back to lessor. Now my question is about this, why does Airasia need to sell plane while its core business is in airline. They still has to pay rental at higher rate with fix term, in the mean time have to pay for plane maintenance as well.

It is fine where they sell the old plane, lease it for 5-7 years then proceed with the A320 neo where fuel consumption is lesser, if u read the report, the lease is about 15 years.
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Sell and lease back will make company balance sheet looks good (the planes asset and loan of it, won't in the balance sheet) and enhances cash position.

But with new MFRS 16, it requires the company added back into the balance sheet in the form "right to use lease" under liabilities section.
That's why we see big difference in the balance sheet compared to previous year one.
Also, depreciation is incurred with the new MFRS 16, which may affect the bottom line figure.

Sell and leaseback will do one good thing, the cash.
Many airliners worldwide are doing this to free up cash, instead borrow billion to own the planes.
Just like company rent a place to run a business instead buy or own the place.
It always depends on company financial situation and needs (particularly cashflow)

Yes, the special dividend mainly come from the cash generated from the sell and leaseback of planes.
90 cents dividend means the company will fork out roughly 2.9 bil cash to shareholders.



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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 30 2019, 09:25 AM)
1. The sale of the leaseback company. It really sounds so Donald Duck.

Lemme get this correct...

A. They borrowed like hell to purchase planes - wassit 80 billion worth? Or somewhere around there...

B. Deep in debts. Did their debt reached over 10 billion at one time?

C. To cut this debt problem down, they started doing sales and leaseback of the planes, which they grossly overbought.

D. They then do a Sale of that sales and leaseback and they also did THAT private placement with its own bosses. Sold some planes too.

2. So they got money.

3. With that money and a slower acceptance of new planes from that mega planes purchase order, cash flow looked OK.

4. Now with a rich pocket, they decided to do special dividends? Huh?

That's right. HUH! 2 special dividends. Is that even remotely prudent??????

Backlog of planes, that runs into billions.. yeah.. much more than that 42 billion... still exists. Multi Billion backlog of planes ordered, and the money thinks they are so rich that they give away their money like confetti?

So what logically will happen next? My guess? As they start accepting new planes, they will seek funding, more borrowings.  What then? Sale and leaseback again?

See where it is going?

Would you call it healthy? Will I?
Lastly, the stock price will be readjusted once this special dividend goes ex. Yup. Minus back that 90 sen......
Oh.. satu lagi. Anyone noticed how shitty the earnings was? Anyone bothered why? Lol
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The profit was hit by the increase of fuel price, which they only hedge about 40-60% on it, even SIA also posted not so good result so i think overall airline company has been hit on earnings.

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CIMB Research also said AirAsia Group sold 79 aircraft to lessor BBAM during 2018 and is expected to sell a further 25 planes to lessor Castlelake by 3Q19F.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 30 2019, 09:44 AM)
Sell and lease back will make company balance sheet looks good (the planes asset and loan of it, won't in the balance sheet) and enhances cash position.

But with new MFRS 16, it requires the company added back into the balance sheet in the form "right to use lease" under liabilities section.
That's why we see big difference in the balance sheet compared to previous year one.
Also, depreciation is incurred with the new MFRS 16, which may affect the bottom line figure.

Sell and leaseback will do one good thing, the cash.
Many airliners worldwide are doing this to free up cash, instead borrow billion to own the planes.
Just like company rent a place to run a business instead buy or own the place.
It always depends on company financial situation and needs (particularly cashflow)

Yes, the special dividend mainly come from the cash generated from the sell and leaseback of planes.
90 cents dividend means the company will fork out roughly 2.9 bil cash to shareholders.
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I'm not sure whether it is feasible for them to conduct such massive move, almost 80% of the fleet was sold to BBAM & Castlelake and leasing back with higher price. The rental was on 15 years tenure sweat.gif

If the company buy and leaseback building, then it is wise to free up their balance sheet, but airasia core business is in airline business and aircraft is their bread and butter. Maybe it will work but definitely operating cost will be going up as well.

P/S : Oh ya i forgot Airasia owe MAHB hell lot of money, hearsay they withhold the airport tax close to few hundred millions. laugh.gif

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General rule of thumb. If a company is doing well and they announce high dividend that is a good sign and means company is doing ok and they look after share holders.

However if revenue / profit goes down but they still declare higher than average dividend it could be a smokescreen. Dont let that misguide your decisions
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QUOTE(yhtan @ May 30 2019, 10:00 AM)
The profit was hit by the increase of fuel price, which they only hedge about 40-60% on it, even SIA also posted not so good result so i think overall airline company has been hit on earnings.
I'm not sure whether it is feasible for them to conduct such massive move, almost 80% of the fleet was sold to BBAM & Castlelake and leasing back with higher price. The rental was on 15 years tenure sweat.gif

If the company buy and leaseback building, then it is wise to free up their balance sheet, but airasia core business is in airline business and aircraft is their bread and butter. Maybe it will work but definitely operating cost will be going up as well.

P/S : Oh ya i forgot Airasia owe MAHB hell lot of money, hearsay they withhold the airport tax close to few hundred millions. laugh.gif
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And hedging. Already mentioned few times before. tongue.gif

Well, there's hedging and then there's excessive hedging. You know what my opinion on Airasia's hedging.

Yeah the point of my summary of Airasia, is that it borrowed too much till it was forced to do a sales and leaseback of its assets. A well managed company will NEVER on such a strategy.

Nevertheless, since it decided on such a poor strategy, it then embarks on this utterly reckless strategy of giving back huge dividends. Utterly stupid in my opinion. If got extra money, pay off loans lor..

And that MAHB squabble...was it a planned squabble so that it can use those money? Remember this PETTY squabble coincided during a period when Airasia debts was soaring....




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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 30 2019, 10:21 AM)
And hedging. Already mentioned few times before. tongue.gif

Well, there's hedging and then there's excessive hedging. You know what my opinion on Airasia's hedging.

Yeah the point of my summary of Airasia, is that it borrowed too much till it was forced to do a sales and leaseback of its assets. A well managed company will NEVER on such a strategy.

Nevertheless, since it decided on such a poor strategy, it then embarks on this utterly reckless strategy of giving back huge dividends. Utterly stupid in my opinion. If got extra money, pay off loans lor..

And that MAHB squabble...was it a planned squabble so that it can use those money? Remember this PETTY squabble coincided during a period when Airasia debts was soaring....
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Now their fleet size shrink from 100+ to around 10-20, about 80 plane conducted the sale and leaseback. It is a well plan by Tony, he subscribe the share at RM1bil, give IB interest of about 6-8%, let say over 3 years total cost is about RM1.3bil, special dividend can get RM1.3bil. In summary get free share. Win-win situation for him. It could be a sign where Tony find the market saturated and unable to find growth, he got stuck in Japan and India recently. The long haul flight unable to compete with full fledge airline, which is why AAX is bleeding non-stop. I once check flight ticket price to Tokyo, surprisingly adding in those luggage and package, the price is almost the same as full fledge airline like MAS/SIA, sometime even higher. sweat.gif

All the while they using MAHB money to keep it rolling, but this transport minister is not a guy to mess around laugh.gif
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Hello, new to all this. My friend asked me to take advantage of the 90c share thing, but i cant seem to make sense of it. How he explains it is, you can buy right on 30 June, then sell off on 1st August and you will get the dividend. Is that true? What if a millionaire jumps in on 30 June, then get dividend and ciao? Can help me make sense of this. Thanks guys.
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QUOTE(yhtan @ May 30 2019, 10:31 AM)
Now their fleet size shrink from 100+ to around 10-20, about 80 plane conducted the sale and leaseback. It is a well plan by Tony, he subscribe the share at RM1bil, give IB interest of about 6-8%, let say over 3 years total cost is about RM1.3bil, special dividend can get RM1.3bil. In summary get free share. Win-win situation for him. It could be a sign where Tony find the market saturated and unable to find growth, he got stuck in Japan and India recently. The long haul flight unable to compete with full fledge airline, which is why AAX is bleeding non-stop. I once check flight ticket price to Tokyo, surprisingly adding in those luggage and package, the price is almost the same as full fledge airline like MAS/SIA, sometime even higher. sweat.gif

All the while they using MAHB money to keep it rolling, but this transport minister is not a guy to mess around laugh.gif
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Of course it is good for Tony laugh.gif

What is his pay package already?


Yeah. MAHB thing is unreal. Where can use petty squabble as an excuse not yo pay?
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QUOTE(Sypher @ May 30 2019, 10:35 AM)
Hello, new to all this. My friend asked me to take advantage of the 90c share thing, but i cant seem to make sense of it. How he explains it is, you can buy right on 30 June, then sell off on 1st August and you will get the dividend. Is that true? What if a millionaire jumps in on 30 June, then get dividend and ciao? Can help me make sense of this. Thanks guys.
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You won't get the whole 90 sen.

Once the stock goes ex dividend, the share price will deduct 90 sen from its last traded price the following trading day.

Eg

Stock price b4 ex = 3.10
After ex. date, the share will be adjusted 3.10 - 0.90 = 2.20

So after this, count your buy price...

Got make money?

If you cannot understand this, my kind advice to you is save your money. Don't play stocks...
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 30 2019, 10:41 AM)
You won't get the whole 90 sen.

Once the stock goes ex dividend, the share price will deduct 90 sen from its last traded price the following trading day.

Eg

Stock price b4 ex = 3.10
After ex. date, the share will be adjusted 3.10 - 0.90 = 2.20

So after this, count your buy price...

Got make money?

If you cannot understand this, my kind advice to you is save your money. Don't play stocks...
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then just pray that 2.20 will back to 3.10 again.... means earn RM0.90...this happens before for Maybank after div ex... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(indahr39 @ May 30 2019, 10:49 AM)
then just pray that 2.20 will back to 3.10 again.... means earn RM0.90...this happens before for Maybank after div ex... tongue.gif
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Well did it happen for the other special dividend that AA paid out?

Let me ask you the other important question.. If earnings remain poor,you think the share price up or down?
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QUOTE(indahr39 @ May 30 2019, 10:49 AM)
then just pray that 2.20 will back to 3.10 again.... means earn RM0.90...this happens before for Maybank after div ex... tongue.gif
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Maybank dividend comes from its operation profit and cashflow and almost consistently every year throughout.

For share price to back up after ex-date, it is actually simple, the company shows good profit and dividend to shareholders in the financial result.

Share market is not a place to "pray", share price is not 4D lottery, you pray abc stock price to hit a number.
Every share price in the market is backed up its own pillar aka the company's ability to generate profit and worth.

That's why it is always important to look at company financial result.
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then just pray that 2.20 will back to 3.10 again.... means earn RM0.90...this happens before for Maybank after div ex... tongue.gif
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Well did it happen for the other special dividend that AA paid out?

Let me ask you the other important question.. If earnings remain poor,you think the share price up or down?
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QUOTE(Sypher @ May 30 2019, 10:35 AM)
Hello, new to all this. My friend asked me to take advantage of the 90c share thing, but i cant seem to make sense of it. How he explains it is, you can buy right on 30 June, then sell off on 1st August and you will get the dividend. Is that true? What if a millionaire jumps in on 30 June, then get dividend and ciao? Can help me make sense of this. Thanks guys.
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If that's the case, so easy make money
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QUOTE(Sypher @ May 30 2019, 10:35 AM)
Hello, new to all this. My friend asked me to take advantage of the 90c share thing, but i cant seem to make sense of it. How he explains it is, you can buy right on 30 June, then sell off on 1st August and you will get the dividend. Is that true? What if a millionaire jumps in on 30 June, then get dividend and ciao? Can help me make sense of this. Thanks guys.
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LOL, if making money in share market is so easy....
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 30 2019, 10:41 AM)
You won't get the whole 90 sen.

Once the stock goes ex dividend, the share price will deduct 90 sen from its last traded price the following trading day.

Eg

Stock price b4 ex = 3.10
After ex. date, the share will be adjusted 3.10 - 0.90 = 2.20

So after this, count your buy price...

Got make money?

If you cannot understand this, my kind advice to you is save your money. Don't play stocks...
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Amazing reply, you've made complete sense to me for the scenario. Thank you guru! And thanks guys for explaining more.
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QUOTE(Sypher @ May 30 2019, 11:14 AM)
Amazing reply, you've made complete sense to me for the scenario. Thank you guru! And thanks guys for explaining more.
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You are welcome. Sorry my reply was a bit blunt. Too many newbies thinks that the stock market is an atm machine, in which they have the divine rights to take money anyhow, anytime....
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 30 2019, 11:42 AM)
You are welcome. Sorry my reply was a bit blunt. Too many newbies thinks that the stock market is an atm machine, in which they have the divine rights to take money anyhow, anytime....
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That's exactly why I posted here first, I knew it sounded way too good to be true. And don't worry, bluntness works best. If ever I wanna do this seriously, I'll have to research even more.
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ May 30 2019, 10:52 AM)
Well did it happen for the other special dividend that AA paid out?

Let me ask you the other important question.. If earnings remain poor,you think the share price up or down?
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it did happen on 12 Dec ex before....price was ard 3.00 before ex....and back to the price 3rd week Jan if you follow the price movement....

anyway, in Bursa, earnings poor doesnt guarantee the stock price will down....and earnings good doesnt guarantee price will up...no one will know....
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QUOTE(indahr39 @ May 30 2019, 12:10 PM)
it did happen on 12 Dec ex before....price was ard 3.00 before ex....and back to the price 3rd week Jan if you follow the price movement....

anyway, in Bursa, earnings poor doesnt guarantee the stock price will down....and earnings good doesnt guarantee price will up...no one will know....
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There is never a guarantee from the market.
It's all about managing your risk.
If you think it's wise to bet on a stock whose earnings is going down, go ahead. Your money. Your decision. Really. It's OK with me. I do not need to win this point with you.

However, I suggest you to make a personal note to yourself (yes, don't need to show me cos it's all about you yourself)... Make 20 trades based on such strategy...
Calculate your win rate....
Then you decide if it was a wise move or not.....

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QUOTE(Sypher @ May 30 2019, 11:48 AM)
That's exactly why I posted here first, I knew it sounded way too good to be true. And don't worry, bluntness works best. If ever I wanna do this seriously, I'll have to research even more.
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Research is always needed. It's a must. Learning how to search the net...

But more importantly is the testing of strategies. Knowing a strategy (like trading breakouts or value investing) is not the same as whether we can utilise that particular strategy...
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3.06  sad.gif Now at paper loss d, even with the dividends  sweat.gif
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Mine is only slightly better. sad.gif
RM 2.49 after deducting all the dividends that I've received.
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Mine is only slightly better. sad.gif
RM 2.49 after deducting all the dividends that I've received.
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Does that mean u bought at 2.49 + 0.90?
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Does that mean u bought at 2.49 + 0.90?
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Anybody bought AA this week? tongue.gif

What's your strategy?
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Anybody bought AA this week? tongue.gif

What's your strategy?
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Entered @ RM2.00

No strategy. I trust this company to deliver.
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RM1.87 anyone still entering?
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Best is few years ago..
Around 1.30 like that 👍

Now it's seems like "over price" 😑
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Best is few years ago..
Around 1.30 like that 👍

Now it's seems like "over price" 😑
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wah ... It was RM 1.30??? Could have sold it for RM 4 when it was at peak.
Appreciated so much over the years.
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wah ... It was RM 1.30??? Could have sold it for RM 4 when it was at peak.
Appreciated so much over the years.
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Yup. Many sold at peak..
Then later re-enter again around 1.30/1.40 like that 💪
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I bought some at 1.88 today to average down my previous purchase at 2.08.

Hope I make a right decision tongue.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 5 2019, 09:51 AM)
Best is few years ago..
Around 1.30 like that 👍

Now it's seems like "over price" 😑
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How many years ago was that?
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I bought some at 1.88 today to average down my previous purchase at 2.08.

Hope I make a right decision tongue.gif
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I bought at 2.6 in May....hahaha. Will buy again if it goes lower to average down. But good thing I will be getting the 90cents dividend.
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QUOTE(donhay @ Aug 5 2019, 03:40 PM)
I bought some at 1.88 today to average down my previous purchase at 2.08.

Hope I make a right decision tongue.gif
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QUOTE(PHI_1.618 @ Aug 5 2019, 04:56 PM)
I bought at 2.6 in May....hahaha. Will buy again if it goes lower to average down. But good thing I will be getting the 90cents dividend.
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The moment checkout wt 1.88, then end of day become 1.85 .

Should we keep buying to balance back our previous lose , keep the stock until rm2.2 like that only sell off . No gain no lose lol.

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I just checked, I had 600 units at time of EX-date of the special dividend but my bank acct does not reflect the RM540 I shud b getting
Plz advise wad I can do. Thanks

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I just checked, I had 600 units at time of EX-date of the special dividend but my bank acct does not reflect the RM540 I shud b getting
Plz advise wad I can do. Thanks
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SPECIAL DIVIDEND OF 90 SEN PER SHARE

EX-date 29 Jul 2019

Payment date 29 Aug 2019

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed...cements/6212777
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SPECIAL DIVIDEND OF 90 SEN PER SHARE

EX-date 29 Jul 2019

Payment date 29 Aug 2019

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed...cements/6212777
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Do we get tax and service fee from dividend payment?
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I just checked, I had 600 units at time of EX-date of the special dividend but my bank acct does not reflect the RM540 I shud b getting
Plz advise wad I can do. Thanks
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Check your bank account again after 29/8. It should be reflected by then nod.gif

QUOTE(PHI_1.618 @ Aug 15 2019, 04:39 PM)
Do we get tax and service fee from dividend payment?
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Most of the dividends received are single-tier dividends now, which means whatever amount declared to be paid will be NET amount.
So there shall NOT be any deduction of any sort on our dividends received.
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Check your bank account again after 29/8. It should be reflected by then nod.gif
Most of the dividends received are single-tier dividends now, which means whatever amount declared to be paid will be NET amount.
So there shall NOT be any deduction of any sort on our dividends received.
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what do all the sifus here think about AA? Still got hope to gain?

The sharp 50% decline really bothersome...
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what do all the sifus here think about AA? Still got hope to gain?

The sharp 50% decline really bothersome...
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The big drop was due to the big special dividends going ex. This is an automatic process, n nothing to do with the business model.

As to future prospects of AA, I have no view as I don't own this stock or plan to own it in the near future.



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RM 1.68 now, is it gone case for Airasia?

Still have holding some in RED sad.gif
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It was around RM 1.78-181.
Suddenly last 2 day crash to around RM 1.68-1.7

Should I sell my 5,000 units.

whats reason of current decline?

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QUOTE(gratfe @ Oct 4 2019, 11:11 AM)
It was around RM 1.78-181.
Suddenly last 2 day crash to around RM 1.68-1.7

Should I sell my 5,000 units.

whats reason of current decline?
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Lol a few cents down is not a crash. Furthermore, KLCI went from 1,600 to 1,550, so I wouldn’t raise any alarm.
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QUOTE(gratfe @ Oct 4 2019, 11:11 AM)
It was around RM 1.78-181.
Suddenly last 2 day crash to around RM 1.68-1.7

Should I sell my 5,000 units.

whats reason of current decline?
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If dropped to 1.00 then we call it crash..
For now its normal situation...

btw what's your entry cost? Per share?

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1.90 now. Should I buy more to average out my cost? hmmm...
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2 weeks ago RM 1.66 you don't buy, now only you buy? hmm.gif
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Finally my airasia back into black since beginning of august
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what's your average buy price?
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According to the news report...
AA current valuations is kinda "rich" @ high side...
It's the maximum..

So the potential of it dropping is high..
Just beware 😒🤔
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what's your average buy price?
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 6 2019, 12:11 PM)
According to the news report...
AA current valuations is kinda "rich" @ high side...
It's the maximum..

So the potential of it dropping is high..
Just beware 😒🤔
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may i know where to find the report??
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how AAX makes so much loss???

I don't understand. Their long haul flights are quite full, no??

AAX performance affects AA, right?
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how AAX makes so much loss???

I don't understand. Their long haul flights are quite full, no??

AAX performance affects AA, right?
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Well, not directly affect but when their management decided to use AA to saving AAX, sharing route and profit etc then it will eat up into AA profitability right?

with FAA downgrading Malaysia safety cat that is bad news for AAX as well yawn.gif

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Well, not directly affect but when their management decided to use AA to saving AAX, sharing route and profit etc then it will eat up into AA profitability right?

with FAA downgrading Malaysia safety cat that is bad news for AAX as well  yawn.gif
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eh, but AA owns 13.8% of AAX....

so AA investment in AAX doesn't give any good returns....
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https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/aira...-says-fernandes
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bad qr announced. what is your take on this?
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today paper loss, -10% already.

Hit rock bottom already? sad.gif
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Well it's not low enough I would say..
But well if u trust their long term plan..
Then buy... Batch by batch..
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Well it's not low enough I would say..
But well if u trust their long term plan..
Then buy... Batch by batch..
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how low is low enough?
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how low is low enough?
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Well like in 2016 time..
Around 1.30 +/-
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will their dividend continue to be good? better than FD?
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will their dividend continue to be good? better than FD?
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I would say yes, because they are making a loss due to changes in accounting standard, not affecting the company's tangible cashflow. As long as they maintain their strong positive cashflow, then they are able to maintain the average 12 sen dividend rate (circa 7% at current price).

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analyst normally cannot really follow...
Sometimes they bring u to Holland..

Personally better seek alternative advice from lowyat forummers too...

I normally does that too... Don't underestimated members here...

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AA stock so quiet now?
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about RM 1.50++ now. Good time to enter?
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Recently there are lots of bad news that could affect the price of this counter.
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Q1 results sure would be affected...
Possibility Q2 too but not bad as Q1 devil.gif
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My Airasia paper loss is -15% today sad.gif

What should I do???
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My Airasia paper loss is -15%  today sad.gif

What should I do???
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i just dumped.

fight another day.

it is already weak in the last few months.

now, this virus will add to the misery.

the effect on airlines, hotels, tourism has yet to be felt.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/28/coronavirus...-economies.html

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argh.... missed the price at RM 1.40 .... now back at RM 1.50 again.
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argh.... missed the price at RM 1.40 .... now back at RM 1.50 again.
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it would go down. mark my word
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it would go down. mark my word
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How low u think 🤔
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will definitely go down without a doubt.
My only hope is the DPU is still increasing.
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QUOTE(moosset @ Jan 28 2020, 11:25 PM)
will definitely go down without a doubt.
My only hope is the DPU is still increasing.
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question is drop by how much
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question is drop by how much
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With the latest scandal, Sure drop until niama camnot recognise.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ure-contracts/P
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How low u think 🤔
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Below 1.40
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QUOTE(airtawarian @ Feb 1 2020, 07:07 PM)
With the latest scandal, Sure drop until niama camnot recognise.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...ure-contracts/P
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wrong link ah? haha
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wrong link ah? haha
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this one not football xD

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/airb...ip-secure-deals
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some said they miss 1.40 previously, I think it will go below 1.40 now
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Damn..
nCov+Airbus Scandal

Not good time for AA 😒😑
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wrong link ah? haha
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Paiseh

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...cure-contracts/
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drop to below rm1.00 then got hope
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drop to below rm1.00 then got hope
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90cents maybe
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90cents maybe
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Resistancr at 1.40 seems will be broken. Next support at rm1.2x then RM1 and below.
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im preparing rm 100k to masuk when it drops to rm 1
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Better think twice. Heard more arrest will be made against top official management. Please diversify

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Better think twice. Heard more arrest will be made against top official management. Please diversify
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TF gonna be arrested? brows.gif devil.gif
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im preparing rm 100k to masuk when it drops to rm 1
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for real?

but I think it'll only reach around RM1.20 ....
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for real?

but I think it'll only reach around RM1.20 ....
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see how it goes next week onwards

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aiya. Will the shareholder of AA suffer total loss after this?
My unrealize loss on AA is very bad already T.T
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aiya. Will the shareholder of AA suffer total loss after this?
My unrealize loss on AA is very bad already T.T
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How mych total loss
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aiya. Will the shareholder of AA suffer total loss after this?
My unrealize loss on AA is very bad already T.T
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Total loss? Why would you even say that? You do know this involves the “Exec” only so at worst case if convicted guilty just fire and replace. Company goes on and continue operation as usual.

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im preparing rm 100k to masuk when it drops to rm 1
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Why not AirAsia drop until RM0.50 - 0.60?

RM1 is still high, right?
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Support around RM 1.30 based on 2015 prices.

If this is broken, free fall to next support RM 1.00.

Who dares catch falling knife? Huat arr...
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I queued at RM 1.25 but I probably can't get it.
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will it rebound tomorrow or go lower?
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Worse yet to come I guess..
Didn't mention which person involve clearly..
I suspect TF & his partner tho 😑
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Feb 3 2020, 10:09 AM)
Worse yet to come I guess..
Didn't mention which person involve clearly..
I suspect TF & his partner tho 😑
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so you'll not buy any today to average down??
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so you'll not buy any today to average down??
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better wait & see first..
virus & macc case not yet fully "explode" to the max devil.gif

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u don't catch falling knife whistling.gif
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but in the long term, I don't think gov will let AA to go bankrupt, right?

if AA goes down, it will badly affect M'sian tourism and economy. I'm sure they will do what they can to help AA.
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QUOTE(moosset @ Feb 3 2020, 08:09 PM)
but in the long term, I don't think gov will let AA to go bankrupt, right?

if AA goes down, it will badly affect M'sian tourism and economy. I'm sure they will do what they can to help AA.
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What price is the lowest?
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GG, below RM1
https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/509423
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QUOTE(Rainings @ Feb 3 2020, 10:08 PM)
drop drop drop.
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QUOTE(moosset @ Feb 3 2020, 08:09 PM)
but in the long term, I don't think gov will let AA to go bankrupt, right?

if AA goes down, it will badly affect M'sian tourism and economy. I'm sure they will do what they can to help AA.
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Don't expect gov save AA while MAS itself is a black hole
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QUOTE(Rainings @ Feb 3 2020, 10:08 PM)
Hmm..
So the 2 person is them after all...
Tomorrow sure GG one 🤔
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QUOTE(moosset @ Feb 3 2020, 08:09 PM)
but in the long term, I don't think gov will let AA to go bankrupt, right?

if AA goes down, it will badly affect M'sian tourism and economy. I'm sure they will do what they can to help AA.
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If really trouble..
Don't think government would get involved..
More like foreign investor comes into the company...
AA is Asia's biggest LCC... That really carry weight 💪

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in my portfolio AirAsia is definitely the most drama. There's suspense, when the price of the oil surge after the attack on Saudi Aramco oil field. There's joy, where they give wonderful special div. There's sorrow now with the corruption saga.
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collect at RM1.20??
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The saga yet to begins tongue.gif
So much rumours I getting..
Don't know which is which now...
Some involved politics too devil.gif

For now.
All can I say..
Stay away first... Temporarily until case settled or have some kind of ending...
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for real?

but I think it'll only reach around RM1.20 ....
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Wah... Really hit less than RM 1.20!!! laugh.gif


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Tony Fernandes and Kamarudin just resigned from AirAsia today
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QUOTE(liangzai84 @ Feb 4 2020, 12:28 PM)
Tony Fernandes and Kamarudin just resigned from AirAsia today
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For two months.
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Tony Fernandes and Kamarudin just resigned from AirAsia today
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Temporarily only devil.gif

btw it's yesterday news...
u slowpoke leh dry.gif
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PETALING JAYA: In the past week, the Employees Provident Fund (EPF) has disposed of 7.92 million shares in AirAsia Group Berhad.

According to two separate filings on Bursa Malaysia, the retirement fund disposed of 7.43 million shares on Jan 28 and another 492,500 shares the following day.

After the disposals, EPF continues to hold 210.4 million shares, representing a 6.29% stake in the company.

This was a couple of days before allegations that the airline received a US$50 million bribe from aircraft manufacturer Airbus was reported. AirAsia has vigorously denied the allegations.
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...claims-emerged/

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AAX at all time low @ 0.11, good time to buy?
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EPF knows before anyone else?
hmm.gif

insider trading? but no action would be taken I guess.. since it's "national asset fund for employee" devil.gif
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QUOTE(AhBoy~~ @ Feb 3 2020, 11:05 PM)
Don't expect gov save AA while MAS itself is a black hole
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This sounds make sense too.
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QUOTE(AhBoy~~ @ Feb 3 2020, 11:05 PM)
Don't expect gov save AA while MAS itself is a black hole
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If AA goes byebye, what will happen to all investor money?
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Don't expect gov save AA while MAS itself is a black hole
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I expect gov would come to the rescue.
1. EPF still has 6%++ in it;
2. AA is profit making, unlike MAS. Saving MAS is for pride; saving AA is for Malaysia's benefits, not just tourism. It's AA that has made Malaysia a hub, like Emirates is for Dubai, Etihad is for Abu Dhabi and Qatar is for Doha. Saving AA is in their (and also in our) best interest;
3. Many cheapskate companies still ask their employees to travel by AA. Without AA, domestic travel would be way more expensive.

QUOTE(westernkl @ Feb 4 2020, 05:41 PM)
If AA goes byebye, what will happen to all investor money?
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investors would lose money lo .... that's all. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(moosset @ Feb 4 2020, 05:58 PM)
I expect gov would come to the rescue.
1. EPF still has 6%++ in it;
2. AA is profit making, unlike MAS. Saving MAS is for pride; saving AA is for Malaysia's benefits, not just tourism. It's AA that has made Malaysia a hub, like Emirates is for Dubai, Etihad is for Abu Dhabi and Qatar is for Doha. Saving AA is in their (and also in our) best interest;
3. Many cheapskate companies still ask their employees to travel by AA. Without AA, domestic travel would be way more expensive.
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1. Only 6%+.. So it's not really significant to bailout if anything happens.. what I know now AA is in foreign hand (accumulated from various shareholders) since it's like over 60% foreign shareholdings...

2. agreed. AA is the one make Malaysia some hub.. but still cannot fight the might of Changi flex.gif

3. This one really true. many companies boss "suggest" to use AA for domestic & regional Travel.. Possible Long Distance Travel too (but normally Emirates is the next pick). but there's also complain from fellow Sabahan & Sarawakian too.. Air travel becoming more expensive within Malaysia... Heck one says fly to HCMC is cheaper than to KL icon_question.gif

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I sold at 1.23 at a 15% loss in the morning sad.gif sad.gif
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I sold at 1.23 at a 15% loss in the morning sad.gif sad.gif
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Do u intend to buy at lower price later on? 🤔
Or no look forward again...
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Do u intend to buy at lower price later on? 🤔
Or no look forward again...
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possible another story like how SIA is the major shareholder of scoot air.

while malaysia will be MAS major shareholder for AA and eventually create another dynamic? whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Syie9^_^ @ Feb 4 2020, 08:39 PM)
possible another story like how SIA is the major shareholder of scoot air.

while malaysia will be MAS major shareholder for AA and eventually create another dynamic? whistling.gif
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Endless possibilities are in the making 😁
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If AA goes byebye, what will happen to all investor money?
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won't bye bye so easy(or fast), fundamentally AA is a performing business.

Worst case, main share holders selling stakes and other investors(those bought on high) can't recover their money
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I sold at 1.23 at a 15% loss in the morning sad.gif sad.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Feb 4 2020, 08:33 PM)
Do u intend to buy at lower price later on? 🤔
Or no look forward again...
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Do u intend to buy at lower price later on? 🤔
Or no look forward again...
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Don't think I will buy again for short-medium term. It gave a bit too many emotional feelings.

I still believe it's business model still is good. Will put my money in others in KLSE
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QUOTE(donhay @ Feb 5 2020, 09:28 AM)
Don't think I will buy again for short-medium term. It gave a bit too many emotional feelings.

I still believe it's business model still is good. Will put my money in others in KLSE
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Yup. It's business model is quite good..
People needed to travel no matter what especially those Sabah & Sarawak to KL... And regional destination...

For now.. stay away first.. for at least we get some conclusion 😑
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What is the best price to buy AirAsia??


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Btw guys, where do you guys buy the stock? Where's is the cheapest?
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lower than RM1
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lower than RM1
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I bought mine at 1.13.. hopefully by next month go up back to 1.43 then i will sell out
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yup, rebounded as soon as he said that
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Any advise for 5238 AAX stock?
its pretty low now.
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Any advise for 5238 AAX stock?
its pretty low now.
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I entered some in 1.13 too. Not sure if now is the time or not.
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I just saw AA past quarterly reports. How come they have been making losses?

everytime I took AA, the flight is almost always full. Recently I went to Japan also quite full.
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I entered some in 1.13 too. Not sure if now is the time or not.
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i am referring AirAsia X 5238 not AirAsia 5099 biggrin.gif
r u sure u masuk the right one? tongue.gif
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So EPF can sell all the remaining stake 1st  laugh.gif
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Later u get mid night knock from authorities whistling.gif
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Careful what u post
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good luck for those you joining the roller coaster

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going to sell when reach 1.43... going strong now.. bought at 1.13
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going to sell when reach 1.43... going strong now.. bought at 1.13
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No worry. It will go down Later. Mark My word!
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No worry. It will go down Later. Mark My word!
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when?

without a time period, it's like saying, "I know it will rain soon." laugh.gif
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what's goes down must come up later on....
don't be suprise EPF accumulated at lower price & now keep selling..
next week we shall know the announcement tongue.gif
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Reports on Dr M’s remarks on AirAsia bribery claims inaccurate, says PMO
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...urate-says-pmo/

next week drop again whistling.gif
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when?

without a time period, it's like saying, "I know it will rain soon."  laugh.gif
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Reports on Dr M’s remarks on AirAsia bribery claims inaccurate, says PMO
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...urate-says-pmo/

next week drop again whistling.gif
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please don't tell me the price will be at the same level as AAX.... sad.gif
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please don't tell me the price will be at the same level as AAX.... sad.gif
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Endless possibilities 😁

I'm not in position to comment on future share price performance.. because I got no crystal balls to predict the future 🙏😂
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wait till quarter result release sure drop alot again

MFRS16 impact is real LOL
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so, no dividend this year? sad.gif

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AirAsia Group expected to post a loss of RM1.1b amid Covid-19 outbreak

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/aira...ovid19-outbreak

KUALA LUMPUR (Feb 18): AirAsia Group Bhd (AAGB) is expected to post a core net loss of RM1.1 billion amid the current Covid-19 outbreak, following lower demand and yields in Malaysia, Thailand and the Philippines.

In a Feb 17 note, CGS-CIMB Research said it was slashing its previous forecasted financial year ended Dec 31, 2020 (FY20) core net profit (CNP) estimate of RM147 million to RM1.1 billion core net loss (CNL) as the Covid-19 virus continues to impact Malaysia AirAsia(MAA), Thai AirAsia (TAA) and Philippines AirAsia (PAA).
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so, no dividend this year? sad.gif

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AirAsia Group expected to post a loss of RM1.1b amid Covid-19 outbreak

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/aira...ovid19-outbreak

KUALA LUMPUR (Feb 18): AirAsia Group Bhd (AAGB) is expected to post a core net loss of RM1.1 billion amid the current Covid-19 outbreak, following lower demand and yields in Malaysia, Thailand and the Philippines.

In a Feb 17 note, CGS-CIMB Research said it was slashing its previous forecasted financial year ended Dec 31, 2020 (FY20) core net profit (CNP) estimate of RM147 million to RM1.1 billion core net loss (CNL) as the Covid-19 virus continues to impact Malaysia AirAsia(MAA), Thai AirAsia (TAA) and Philippines AirAsia (PAA).
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drop drop drop
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Huhuh..
I expect AA to record losses.. since virus impact is huge..
But didn't expect until 1.1bil leh 😑😒


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Huhuh..
I expect AA to record losses.. since virus impact is huge..
But didn't expect until 1.1bil leh 😑😒
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Burn!!!! 0.50 in coming rclxms.gif
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Endless possibilities yo...

btw did u realizes AA now doing "Fake Sales"..
I mean price is like few weeks ago before the recently price hike... Now back to "old" price... And says its on sales tongue.gif
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Endless possibilities yo...

btw did u realizes AA now doing "Fake Sales"..
I mean price is like few weeks ago before the recently price hike... Now back to "old"  price... And says its on sales tongue.gif
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Oh yes; always fake sale. Should report to competition watchdogs; and penalty them up.

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Oh yes; always fake sale. Should report to competition watchdogs; and penalty them up.
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Well it's seems like trend for others airline too...
But since AA is top choice for most cheapskate flyer.
It's more obvious 😂
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Well it's seems like trend for others airline too...
But since AA is top choice for most cheapskate flyer.
It's more obvious 😂
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obvious they have lack of common sense what to expect.

cheapskate is as cheap as cheapskate itself.
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"AA is a digitial transformation company, not an airlines company".

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"AA is a digitial transformation company, not an airlines company".

Lol
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But they connected people from different country right...
By flight..
Then should be airline lorh tongue.gif
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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Feb 19 2020, 08:18 AM)
"AA is a digitial transformation company, not an airlines company".

Lol
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Sold off all the plane then name it as digital company laugh.gif

Anyway go read up CIMB report on Air Asia, the analyst was point on Air Asia strategy and the price can goes further downward if situation keep going on like this.
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Sold off all the plane then name it as digital company laugh.gif

Anyway go read up CIMB report on Air Asia, the analyst was point on Air Asia strategy and the price can goes further downward if situation keep going on like this.
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Buat kacau ah? laugh.gif

There are those who like the product so much that it clouds their ability to judge clearly. Same goes with those caught holding the stock.

The sports team was not owned by Airasia the stock.
And what was the sports team? A chapalang F1 team.
Was the team had so much sporting value that Airbus die die want to sponsor?
50 million USD wo.
Sponsored in 2012.
Coincidence that Airasia placed an absurd order of US18 billion worth of planes with Airbus in 2011.

Surely it would benefited Airasia the stock if that Us50 million was a discount in prices instead of sponsoring a chapalang F1 team owned by Ah Tony.

If Airasia wasn't a stock, how would you describe it what happened?

LOL. If this deal wasnt bribery, why Airbus so stupid and pay so much fine? laugh.gif



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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 19 2020, 05:38 PM)
tongue.gif

Buat kacau ah? laugh.gif

There are those who like the product so much that it clouds their ability to judge clearly. Same goes with those caught holding the stock.

The sports team was not owned by Airasia the stock.
And what was the sports team? A chapalang F1 team.
Was the team had so much sporting value that Airbus die die want to sponsor?
50 million USD wo.
Sponsored in 2012.
Coincidence that Airasia placed an absurd order of US18 billion worth of planes with Airbus in 2011.

Surely it would benefited Airasia the stock if that Us50 million was a discount in prices instead of sponsoring a chapalang F1 team owned by Ah Tony.

If Airasia wasn't a stock, how would you describe it what happened?

LOL. If this deal wasnt bribery, why Airbus so stupid and pay so much fine? laugh.gif
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Tarak buat kacau lah, just kasi warning only.

That bribery case is follow the culture of "I help u, u help me" and i leave it to the shareholders to decide. The F1 is part of the big boss venture or hobby, ended up burn up quite a lot money in it. Beside that got the QPR football club, also burn up quite a lot of money and ended up at English Championship league.

AAX could be another bomb in future, keep losing money and possibility might ask for right issue.

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QUOTE(yhtan @ Feb 19 2020, 05:47 PM)
Tarak buat kacau lah, just kasi warning only.

That bribery case is follow the culture of "I help u, u help me" and i leave it to the shareholders to decide. The F1 is part of the big boss venture or hobby, ended up burn up quite a lot money in it. Beside that got the QPR football club, also burn up quite a lot of money and ended up at English Championship league.

AAX could be another bomb in future, keep losing money and possibility might ask for right issue.
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Well, exactly!! It was Ah Tony venture and not Airasia!


And yup AAX is in more dire condition than AA.


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https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=95362820
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AirAsia slips into red ink in FY19 on absence of RM1.1b gains, impacted by accounting standards

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/aira...standards%C2%A0

KUALA LUMPUR (Feb 27): AirAsia Group Bhd, Asia's largest low-cost carrier by passengers carried, fell into the red in the financial year ended Dec 31, 2019 (FY19), mainly due to the absence of a RM1.1 billion gain in 2018.

It posted a net loss of RM303.72 million in FY19 compared with a net profit of RM1.97 billion in the previous year.
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AirAsia has a lot of loans and high operating leverage due to leases. If recession come GG especially the bank's that lend to AirAsia.
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exactly a month ago, jan 28, i dumped it at 1.50, took small loss.

1.00... likely go to 80 sen.

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are you sure RM1 is the lowest?

any possibility that it becomes like AAX, a penny stock?
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not only cv19 but home politics... see which crony fren-fren with new pm,dpm, cabinet in new gomen.

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AirAsia has a lot of loans and high operating leverage due to leases. If recession come GG especially the bank's that lend to AirAsia.
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Recall Airasia order(S) to buy new planes?
One of them orders which saw Airbus to sponsor 5o million US to one chapalang no name F1 team? ( ask Liverpool if it is easy to find a 50 million USD sports sponsor? laugh.gif)

Anyway... this order to buy them airplanes...the value has grown exponentially over the years...i just saw in their latest qr, the commitment value to buy airplane has jumped to 98 Billion!!!

Lmao.

This coming from a company that is resorting to buy, sale and leaseback to survive.... laugh.gif

So can this sale and leaseback company got enough king fu to buy, sale and leaseback to continue and continue and continue and continue this trick for this 98 billion worth of airplanes?

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are you sure RM1 is the lowest?

any possibility that it becomes like AAX, a penny stock?
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Despite the loss, AirAsia got 3bn revenue but AAX only 1bn with higher loss

As a company AirAsia is too entrenched in the life of people traveling cheap in this region to fail. Raya sure all flights fully booked, covid or not. Christmas too.

So I’ll enter at RM1 now, forget about it, wait for the scandal thing to resolve itself, capital gain by mid to late 2021
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QUOTE(Intimidated @ Feb 29 2020, 08:04 AM)
As a company AirAsia is too entrenched in the life of people traveling cheap in this region to fail. Raya sure all flights fully booked, covid or not. Christmas too.
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But that's what people said last time. "Banks are too big to fail".
For me, I wouldn't want a company managed by people who are corrupt/committed fraud because I'm not surprised if the balance sheet can be fraudulent too. This makes it hard to make decisions.
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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Feb 29 2020, 09:50 AM)
But that's what people said last time. "Banks are too big to fail".
For me, I wouldn't want a company managed by people who are corrupt/committed fraud because I'm not surprised if the balance sheet can be fraudulent too. This makes it hard to make decisions.
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The context with banks is different. The US-based banks that failed in subprime were investment banks.

AirAsia is a flight service provider, not a financial service provider. US-based bankers got greedy because of the incentive structure, which allows them to profit on transactions instead of the actual performance of what they are selling. So the business model is lined with moral hazards (eg: they don’t really care if the bond/unit trust/mutual fund/etc they sell you is junk because it’s not their money).

AirAsia takes your money and provide you a flight service, and that’s the end of your relationship as a customer with the company. If you find it tolerable, you will return. If not, you won’t. So it’s AirAsia’s incentive to not make the low cost flights too miserable.

Yes, COVID-19 dampened the demand, to put mildly. But there are upcoming festivities that will provide some demand for AirAsia, at least domestically. In terms of revenue, AirAsia unlikely to drop 50% over two quarters.

As for the corruption management etc, well, I don’t have insider info nor do I work in there. I just have this fundamental belief that the scandal will sort itself in two years. Either Tony acquitted or management roles change. But the company will still be there because the business model itself is not hinging on if Tony took bribes
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QUOTE(Intimidated @ Feb 29 2020, 10:18 AM)
The context with banks is different. The US-based banks that failed in subprime were investment banks.

AirAsia is a flight service provider, not a financial service provider. US-based bankers got greedy because of the incentive structure, which allows them to profit on transactions instead of the actual performance of what they are selling. So the business model is lined with moral hazards (eg: they don’t really care if the bond/unit trust/mutual fund/etc they sell you is junk because it’s not their money).

AirAsia takes your money and provide you a flight service, and that’s the end of your relationship as a customer with the company. If you find it tolerable, you will return. If not, you won’t. So it’s AirAsia’s incentive to not make the low cost flights too miserable.

Yes, COVID-19 dampened the demand, to put mildly. But there are upcoming festivities that will provide some demand for AirAsia, at least domestically. In terms of revenue, AirAsia unlikely to drop 50% over two quarters.

As for the corruption management etc, well, I don’t have insider info nor do I work in there. I just have this fundamental belief that the scandal will sort itself in two years. Either Tony acquitted or management roles change. But the company will still be there because the business model itself is not hinging on if Tony took bribes
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You have your points. smile.gif
So does yygdrasil.

However, let's talk about the company itself.

How did Airasia got so big?
Was it because it used debts/leverage to built itself up?

Buy/borrow/buy... use whatever cash flow to buy new planes again.

That was what it did. Agree?

That was obviously not gonna to last. It got to the point where Airasia had only less than a billion in cash and more than 12 billion in loans.

That buy and borrow had to slow down. So it asked to defer its obscene backlog of new planes.

Got breathing space but not enough. Clearly it was grossly over leveraged.

** in the midst came that 18billion usd new airplane order. In which the following year, that chapalang F1 team got a usd50 million sponsorship. The F1 team that was not owned by Airasia. Duh **

Next came the leasing plan.

Sell whatever plane it had and then lease back. Use the money to pay back loans. And yeah, to hook investors in, despite in dire need of money, Airasia gave away millions in dividends.

New planes also sell.

So the balance sheet bank borrowings came down in a hurry. But the lease amount soared.

Financial engineering at its finest.

But now with lesser planes flying, can Airasia be able to finance its leases???

And yeah, Airasia still got plenty of planes ordered with Airbus. Latest quarter, the amount is 99.6 Billion.

99.6 Billion. Not too much?

Can this buy, sell and lease back be played for so long?

And yeah, every company hedges. It is a norm. However, there are some companies who over does it their hedging turns into gambling. Have you check how much? If I say their total hedges is more then 2.5 Billion... would you say too much?

Many years ago Airasia once lost more than 500 million in hedging. Tony had to apologise and say no more betting. But yet after these many years, Airasia is still hedging. Betting on oil, interest rate and currency. All which had been having huge swings. A bad hedge could see Airasia lose millions.

Latest qr? Any hedging losses? Better go check......


And yeah, its qr is getting more complex to read. So many inter related companies. How does one really gauge the validity of its accounts?

So if I have to base any trading decision on such a company, I always, always take the easy way... No bet. If it goes up, so be it.

Anyway gl.

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You have your points. smile.gif
So does yygdrasil.

However, let's talk about the company itself.

How did Airasia got so big?
Was it because it used debts/leverage to built itself up?

Buy/borrow/buy... use whatever cash flow to buy new planes again.

That was what it did. Agree?

That was obviously not gonna to last. It got to the point where Airasia had only less than a billion in cash and more than 12 billion in loans.

That buy and borrow had to slow down. So it asked to defer its obscene backlog of new planes.

Got breathing space but not enough. Clearly it was grossly over leveraged.

** in the midst came that 18billion usd new airplane order. In which the following year, that chapalang F1 team got a usd50 million sponsorship. The F1 team that was not owned by Airasia. Duh **

Next came the leasing plan.

Sell whatever plane it had and then lease back. Use the money to pay back loans. And yeah, to hook investors in, despite in dire need of money, Airasia gave away millions in dividends.

New planes also sell.

So the balance sheet bank borrowings came down in a hurry. But the lease amount soared.

Financial engineering at its finest.

But now with lesser planes flying, can Airasia be able to finance its leases???

And yeah, Airasia still got plenty of planes ordered with Airbus. Latest quarter, the amount is 99.6 Billion.

99.6  Billion.  Not too much?

Can this buy, sell and lease back be played for so long?

And yeah, every company hedges. It is a norm. However, there are some companies who over does it their hedging turns into gambling. Have you check how much? If I say their total hedges is more then 2.5 Billion... would you say too much?

Many years ago Airasia once lost more than 500 million in hedging. Tony had to apologise and say no more betting. But yet after these many years, Airasia is still hedging. Betting on oil, interest rate and currency. All which had been having huge swings. A bad hedge could see Airasia lose millions.

Latest qr? Any hedging losses? Better go check......
And yeah, its qr is getting more complex to read. So many inter related companies. How does one really gauge the validity of its accounts?

So if I have to base any trading decision on such a company, I always, always take the easy way... No bet. If it goes up, so be it.

Anyway gl.
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In short: AirAsia’s survival in 2020 and 2021 is based on if it can take in enough revenue to meet the minimum debt obligation or whatever bets its making. It is unlikely to see profit until end-2021 or early-2022.

So to buy/hold now is to believe it can weather the storm and return to profitability in mid-term. biggrin.gif As you said: good luck to the optimists like me!

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Feb 29 2020, 09:50 AM)
But that's what people said last time. "Banks are too big to fail".
For me, I wouldn't want a company managed by people who are corrupt/committed fraud because I'm not surprised if the balance sheet can be fraudulent too. This makes it hard to make decisions.
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QUOTE(Intimidated @ Feb 29 2020, 10:18 AM)
The context with banks is different. The US-based banks that failed in subprime were investment banks.

AirAsia is a flight service provider, not a financial service provider. US-based bankers got greedy because of the incentive structure, which allows them to profit on transactions instead of the actual performance of what they are selling. So the business model is lined with moral hazards (eg: they don’t really care if the bond/unit trust/mutual fund/etc they sell you is junk because it’s not their money).

AirAsia takes your money and provide you a flight service, and that’s the end of your relationship as a customer with the company. If you find it tolerable, you will return. If not, you won’t. So it’s AirAsia’s incentive to not make the low cost flights too miserable.

Yes, COVID-19 dampened the demand, to put mildly. But there are upcoming festivities that will provide some demand for AirAsia, at least domestically. In terms of revenue, AirAsia unlikely to drop 50% over two quarters.

As for the corruption management etc, well, I don’t have insider info nor do I work in there. I just have this fundamental belief that the scandal will sort itself in two years. Either Tony acquitted or management roles change. But the company will still be there because the business model itself is not hinging on if Tony took bribes
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Good point!


QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 29 2020, 10:54 AM)
You have your points. smile.gif
So does yygdrasil.

However, let's talk about the company itself.

How did Airasia got so big?
Was it because it used debts/leverage to built itself up?

Buy/borrow/buy... use whatever cash flow to buy new planes again.

That was what it did. Agree?

That was obviously not gonna to last. It got to the point where Airasia had only less than a billion in cash and more than 12 billion in loans.

That buy and borrow had to slow down. So it asked to defer its obscene backlog of new planes.

Got breathing space but not enough. Clearly it was grossly over leveraged.

** in the midst came that 18billion usd new airplane order. In which the following year, that chapalang F1 team got a usd50 million sponsorship. The F1 team that was not owned by Airasia. Duh **

Next came the leasing plan.

Sell whatever plane it had and then lease back. Use the money to pay back loans. And yeah, to hook investors in, despite in dire need of money, Airasia gave away millions in dividends.

New planes also sell.

So the balance sheet bank borrowings came down in a hurry. But the lease amount soared.

Financial engineering at its finest.

But now with lesser planes flying, can Airasia be able to finance its leases???

And yeah, Airasia still got plenty of planes ordered with Airbus. Latest quarter, the amount is 99.6 Billion.

99.6  Billion.  Not too much?

Can this buy, sell and lease back be played for so long?

And yeah, every company hedges. It is a norm. However, there are some companies who over does it their hedging turns into gambling. Have you check how much? If I say their total hedges is more then 2.5 Billion... would you say too much?

Many years ago Airasia once lost more than 500 million in hedging. Tony had to apologise and say no more betting. But yet after these many years, Airasia is still hedging. Betting on oil, interest rate and currency. All which had been having huge swings. A bad hedge could see Airasia lose millions.

Latest qr? Any hedging losses? Better go check......
And yeah, its qr is getting more complex to read. So many inter related companies. How does one really gauge the validity of its accounts?

So if I have to base any trading decision on such a company, I always, always take the easy way... No bet. If it goes up, so be it.

Anyway gl.
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Valid points! About that sell & lease airplane models, I think Cherroy once pointed out that it's a normal airlines practice.

Maybe I can send you as my proxy if you want in the next AGM, then you can grill them. brows.gif
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QUOTE(Intimidated @ Feb 29 2020, 11:20 AM)
In short: AirAsia’s survival in 2020 and 2021 is based on if it can take in enough revenue to meet the minimum debt obligation or whatever bets its making. It is unlikely to see profit until end-2021 or early-2022.

So to buy/hold now is to believe it can weather the storm and return to profitability in mid-term. biggrin.gif As you said: good luck to the optimists like me!
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Let's assume you are right to be optimistic about Airasia and lets base on your assessment that Airasia would see profit come end 2021...

But what about now till then? That's a long time.

What if it continues to see losses? Not possible? If losses continue to happen then how? Wouldn't the stock react to it losses and falls more? If that's the case, why buy/hold now?
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 29 2020, 02:06 PM)
Let's assume you are right to be optimistic about Airasia and lets base on your assessment that Airasia would see profit come end 2021...

But what about now till then? That's a long time.

What if it continues to see losses? Not possible? If losses continue to happen then how? Wouldn't the stock react to it losses and falls more? If that's the case, why buy/hold now?
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Precisely because I can’t predict how low it might drop until end-March, I rather just enter now and don’t think too much about it. Sure, most traders would think about exit plan, cut loss, etc. I’m more of a “if gain, great, if not, too bad” kind of person. If you call my behaviour as “betting” I wouldn’t be able to refute you biggrin.gif

Of course I’m not betting my life savings on this. I’m more of a REITs and yield guy. I just happen to think people are too pessimistic about AirAsia and I would like to bet on it biggrin.gif

As for exit price, I’ll be happy with anything above 1.30 by end-2021
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QUOTE(Intimidated @ Feb 29 2020, 02:36 PM)
Precisely because I can’t predict how low it might drop until end-March, I rather just enter now and don’t think too much about it. Sure, most traders would think about exit plan, cut loss, etc. I’m more of a “if gain, great, if not, too bad” kind of person. If you call my behaviour as “betting” I wouldn’t be able to refute you biggrin.gif

Of course I’m not betting my life savings on this. I’m more of a REITs and yield guy. I just happen to think people are too pessimistic about AirAsia and I would like to bet on it biggrin.gif

As for exit price, I’ll be happy with anything above 1.30 by end-2021
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How would you honestly rate this tactic?

At best, as per your analysis, is 1.30 or 30% upside. Time frame - close to 2 years.

But you don't know how low it would drop....

If drop to 90sen, or drop to 80sen or drop to 70sen...Then you think your risk/reward is even worth it?

Or wouldn't your hard earned money be much better off in a Reit?

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 29 2020, 03:55 PM)
How would you honestly rate this tactic?

At best, as per your analysis, is 1.30 or 30% upside. Time frame - close to 2 years.

But you don't know how low it would drop....

If drop to 90sen, or drop to 80sen or drop to 70sen...Then you think your risk/reward is even worth it?

Or wouldn't your hard earned money be much better off in a Reit?
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How high do I want it to go? Probably MYR 10. But is it a realistic expectation?

Some people spend money in Casino for thrills, I do this at home biggrin.gif the greater reward is the satisfaction of calling the movement

Also, don’t call it an analysis lol. It’s nothing more than armchair fantasising
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should go less than RM1 tomorrow.

company loss + political crisis + global crisis + coronavirus + company scandal .... really all in one. Couldn't be worse!!
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US restricting travel already
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should go less than RM1 tomorrow.

company loss + political crisis + global crisis + coronavirus + company scandal .... really all in one. Couldn't be worse!!
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will it burst?
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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 1 2020, 08:43 PM)
should go less than RM1 tomorrow.

company loss + political crisis + global crisis + coronavirus + company scandal .... really all in one. Couldn't be worse!!
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Surprisingly it went up 2 cents after opening.
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Surprisingly it went up 2 cents after opening.
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Early morning optimism biggrin.gif
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Early morning optimism biggrin.gif
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5 cents liao. those who bought at 0.98 untung lah.
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5 cents liao. those who bought at 0.98 untung lah.
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For quick exits with bulk purchase ya biggrin.gif it’ll be up down up down in the coming months. I’m gonna ride this until end-2021

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they just declared they've sold 50k AAX unlimited pass within 1 week

that's fast RM25mil revenue injection within a week!

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they just declared they've sold 50k AAX unlimited pass within 1 week

that's fast RM25mil revenue injection within a week!
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wah ........ so many ppl bought?

I'm still undecided whether I should buy AAX unlimited pass.
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they just declared they've sold 50k AAX unlimited pass within 1 week

that's fast RM25mil revenue injection within a week!
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but AAX ≠ AA, no?
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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Mar 6 2020, 11:49 AM)
they just declared they've sold 50k AAX unlimited pass within 1 week

that's fast RM25mil revenue injection within a week!
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50k ppl fighting for limited seats. lol.
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they just declared they've sold 50k AAX unlimited pass within 1 week

that's fast RM25mil revenue injection within a week!
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Huh?
With so much T&C also got many bought...
Malaysian really cheapskate kiasu 😋
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Huh?
With so much T&C also got many bought...
Malaysian really cheapskate kiasu 😋
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later when cannot redeem they will flood facebook. haha
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later when cannot redeem they will flood facebook. haha
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Don't worry..
It's sure would happen...
Matter of time only...

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 6 2020, 01:44 PM)
Huh?
With so much T&C also got many bought...
Malaysian really cheapskate kiasu 😋
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The TnC didn't bother me so much as the prospect of travelling to virus outbreak areas. Those people who bought are basically gambling that the situation will be under control, and soon. I mean realistically, how many times can you fly out for holiday lol. And it must be holiday related travel under the pass, as business travel would be impossible with the blackout dates etc.

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The TnC didn't bother me so much as the prospect of travelling to virus outbreak areas. Those people who bought are basically gambling that the situation will be under control, and soon. I mean realistically, how many times can you fly out for holiday lol. And it must be holiday related travel under the pass, as business travel would be impossible with the blackout dates etc.
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Well it's only would get worse then only better..
Based on previous outbreak.. it means around 6month to 1 year...
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have a look at /k ..... AA is having another promo soon.
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No dividends to be announced ?
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No dividends to be announced ?
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expected losses would be rm 1bil or more for this financial year...
u think? have dividends or not tongue.gif
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have a look at /k ..... AA is having another promo soon.
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Malindo Airline cuts 50% of the staff salary...
AA won't be any better too tongue.gif

30% maybe devil.gif brows.gif
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No dividends to be announced ?
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 7 2020, 06:21 PM)
expected losses would be rm 1bil or more for this financial year...
u think? have dividends or not  tongue.gif
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if distribute dividend despite having losses, then more red flags!!

but I see other companies are distributing RM0.01 per share. laugh.gif
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the unlimited pass is promo from AAX....

now it's time for AA promo.


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if distribute dividend despite having losses, then more red flags!!

but I see other companies are distributing RM0.01 per share. laugh.gif
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endless possibilities
but yup. really raise red flag if they can give out dividends...

anyhow AA do have history of not paying dividend for years...
so this year No dividend is not surprised tongue.gif

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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 2 2020, 12:49 PM)
5 cents liao. those who bought at 0.98 untung lah.
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back to RM1. You can buy now! rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Feb 29 2020, 02:06 PM)
Let's assume you are right to be optimistic about Airasia and lets base on your assessment that Airasia would see profit come end 2021...

But what about now till then? That's a long time.

What if it continues to see losses? Not possible? If losses continue to happen then how? Wouldn't the stock react to it losses and falls more? If that's the case, why buy/hold now?
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Meanwhile in today's news... According to Mavcom, between Jan and Feb 2020...

"The spokesman said Malaysia Airlines cancelled 376 flights, AirAsia 644, AirAsia X 114 and Malindo 442."

644 flights cancelled.... March figures not included...

Flights cancelled means lost of revenue...

For a company like Airasia, which is so financially engineered, how long can it survive?

How much per quarter does Airasia require to pay for its airplane leases? How many hundred millions?

Other financial costs? How many millions?

USDMYR has been swinging up and down like crazy...
Interest rates has been swinging....
And oil is now plunging...

Wonder how Airasia millions and millions and millions hedging is doing?


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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 9 2020, 10:30 AM)
Meanwhile in today's news... According to Mavcom, between Jan and Feb 2020...

"The spokesman said Malaysia Airlines cancelled 376 flights, AirAsia 644, AirAsia X 114 and Malindo 442."

644 flights cancelled.... March figures not included...

Flights cancelled means lost of revenue...

For a company like Airasia, which is so financially engineered, how long can it survive?

How much per quarter does Airasia require to pay for its airplane leases? How many hundred millions?

Other financial costs? How many millions?

USDMYR has been swinging up and down like crazy...
Interest rates has been swinging....
And oil is now plunging...

Wonder how Airasia millions and millions and millions hedging is doing?
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In b4 "2019 will be the best year".
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In b4 "2019 will be the best year".
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Put la the link.... tongue.gif

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/fern...ll-be-best-year

Your memory pretty damn good la...no wonder he has left the building....

http://www.businessinsider.my/tony-fernand...sts-of-2019/amp
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 9 2020, 10:46 AM)
laugh.gif

Put la the link.... tongue.gif

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/fern...ll-be-best-year

Your memory pretty damn good la...no wonder he has left the building....

http://www.businessinsider.my/tony-fernand...sts-of-2019/amp
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That was exactly a year ago. Lets look back the financial performance for FY 2019.

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Some sifu says as long AIRASIA has strong Cash Flow from Operating Activities, it will be fine.

The question here :

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Mar 9 2020, 11:09 AM)
That was exactly a year ago. Lets look back the financial performance for FY 2019.

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Some sifu says as long AIRASIA has strong Cash Flow from Operating Activities, it will be fine.

The question here :

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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That’s the eternal question isn’t it biggrin.gif the factor that determines your behaviour as betting or investing is how often you come out on top. So if I’m right about this, I’ve been investing, if I’m not, I’m just betting biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Mar 9 2020, 11:09 AM)
That was exactly a year ago. Lets look back the financial performance for FY 2019.

user posted image

Some sifu says as long AIRASIA has strong Cash Flow from Operating Activities, it will be fine.

The question here :

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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Some places got plenty of sifu one... tongue.gif

Kung Fu movies also a lot of sifu......

Strong cash flow? Omg. Lol. I guess the proceed from disposal of airplanes under their ingenious sale and leaseback engineering is considered strong cash flow. Hohoho...
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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 9 2020, 10:29 AM)
back to RM1. You can buy now!  rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 9 2020, 10:30 AM)
Meanwhile in today's news... According to Mavcom, between Jan and Feb 2020...

"The spokesman said Malaysia Airlines cancelled 376 flights, AirAsia 644, AirAsia X 114 and Malindo 442."

644 flights cancelled.... March figures not included...

Flights cancelled means lost of revenue...

For a company like Airasia, which is so financially engineered, how long can it survive?

How much per quarter does Airasia require to pay for its airplane leases? How many hundred millions?

Other financial costs? How many millions?

USDMYR has been swinging up and down like crazy...
Interest rates has been swinging....
And oil is now plunging...

Wonder how Airasia millions and millions and millions hedging is doing?
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technically if no Covid-19 the oil price today is amazing for airlines.
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technically if no Covid-19 the oil price today is amazing for airlines.
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Technically no since MOST airlines hedge their oil requirements.

In a normal business sense hedging is OK but on the other hand, some abuses it and uses hedges as a form of betting.

Airasia current fuel hedges amounts to 14.8 million barrels. Ahem. This info can be found in their qr report. As a gauge, go run thru this figure and compare previous years amount and one can have a fair assessment if Airasia is over hedging or not....

So anyway this 14.8 million barrels is already hedged at X price. And Airasia said "For the year 2020 and 2021, Brent swaps represents up to 73% and 20% of the Group’s total budgeted fuel consumption each of the years respectively."

Now fuel prices has crashed. Prices already hedged at a higher prices. How to untung? Err.. Keep buying fuel hedges? What if fuel continues to fall? Airasia cash flow so good meh?
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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 9 2020, 11:57 AM)

technically if no Covid-19 the oil price today is amazing for airlines.
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https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/aira...all-fuel-hedges

That's an old article... but interesting points to note...

1.He added that at US$50 per barrel, it would have to incur a total of US$481 million of fuel-hedging losses. - so said Ah Tony back then. Also see how it said it wanted to come clen with its hedges back then?

Anyway atm, oil has just down the same. It has plunged... So would the plunge in oil helped AirAsia? It would ONLY if Airasia bought spot prices of the oil.

2. Read the part about credit interest rates swaps...

Current hedged amount as per latest qr shows 1.8Bilion.
LOL. A lot of money hedged, yes?

And rates have come down hard... but again for Airasia it had already hedged at a higher price.....




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Technically no since MOST airlines hedge their oil requirements.

In a normal business sense hedging is OK but on the other hand, some abuses it and uses hedges as a form of betting.

Airasia current fuel hedges amounts to 14.8 million barrels. Ahem. This info can be found in their qr report. As a gauge, go run thru this figure and compare previous years amount and one can have a fair assessment if Airasia is over hedging or not....

So anyway this 14.8 million barrels is already hedged at X price. And Airasia said "For the year 2020 and 2021, Brent swaps represents up to 73% and 20% of the Group’s total budgeted fuel consumption each of the years respectively."

Now fuel prices has crashed. Prices already hedged at a higher prices. How to untung? Err.. Keep buying fuel hedges? What if fuel continues to fall? Airasia cash flow so good meh?
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not sure about AirAsia.. but during last oil crash in 2015 fuh MAS punya prices damn syok. Hopefully they can change the hedging. After covid 19 then can travel the world liao if saudi continue to throw petrol proce.
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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 9 2020, 12:28 PM)
not sure about AirAsia.. but during last oil crash in 2015 fuh MAS punya prices damn syok. Hopefully they can change the hedging. After covid 19 then can travel the world liao if saudi continue to throw petrol proce.
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See the other posting....
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Continue...

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/aira...all-fuel-hedges

That's an old article... but interesting points to note...

1.He added that at US$50 per barrel, it would have to incur a total of US$481 million of fuel-hedging losses. - so said Ah Tony back then. Also see how it said it wanted to come clen with its hedges back then?

Anyway atm, oil has just down the same. It has plunged... So would the plunge in oil helped AirAsia? It would ONLY if Airasia bought spot prices of the oil.

2. Read the part about credit interest rates swaps...

Current hedged amount as per latest qr shows 1.8Bilion.
LOL. A lot of money hedged, yes?

And rates have come down hard... but again for Airasia it had already hedged at a higher price.....
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RIP. Cash flow gone Air Asia bankrupt
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QUOTE(zstan @ Mar 9 2020, 12:28 PM)
not sure about AirAsia.. but during last oil crash in 2015 fuh MAS punya prices damn syok. Hopefully they can change the hedging. After covid 19 then can travel the world liao if saudi continue to throw petrol proce.
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Ps... you can change your hedge if you unwind your existing hedges... which means millions of losses.
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Ps... you can change your hedge if you unwind your existing hedges... which means millions of losses.
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Tony got big mountain and AP queen behind him. Few million is spare change.
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RIP. Cash flow gone Air Asia bankrupt
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Not as straight forward since currently it's disposal of planes in its sale and leaseback program is helping to cushion its financial.

Point is, if flights are cancelled left right center... losses will be mega huge.
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Tony got big mountain and AP queen behind him. Few million is spare change.
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Last crash was from 90+ to fifty... and the said losses was around 480 million. (spare change???)

This time... how?
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Oh wow thread come alive again on downtrend but very quiet when it recovered from 0.99 last time biggrin.gif

Anyway, being an optimist, I’m gonna queue up and cost average in 1k increment per 0.1 dip biggrin.gif maintaining same exit horizon at late-2021

EDITED: a disclaimer lol, my behaviour is essentially gambling, don’t join the train if your analysis says AA will become penny stock or bankrupt by June 2020 biggrin.gif

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keep falling, will bankrupt or not?
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keep falling, will bankrupt or not?
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I hope not biggrin.gif
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keep falling, will bankrupt or not?
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U see they throw price like crazy...
To fill up the plane....

and also u see report AA cancel around 600 flights..
Even higher than Malindo or MAS...
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https://samchui.com/2020/03/09/top-10-airli...ed-by-covid-19/

AA not on the list biggrin.gif still got hope!
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perhaps because AA only suspended a small number of destination flights
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Hmm like not so logic only..
Maybe they didn't detect yet 😂
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Some news about Fuel Hedging :

Air France-KLM Loss 1B,

Hedging price : $65/barrel

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton1/20...s/#35accd3f07b9

AirAsia Hedging price : 60/barrel

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...olitical-shocks

The group is hedging 72.8% of Brent crude oil price at US$60.22 per barrel for the financial year 2020 (FY20) and MIDF Research is of the opinion that AirAsia’s prudent hedging strategy could weather the expected rise in oil prices.
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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Mar 11 2020, 08:06 AM)
Some news about Fuel Hedging :

Air France-KLM Loss 1B,

Hedging price : $65/barrel

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton1/20...s/#35accd3f07b9

AirAsia Hedging price : 60/barrel

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...olitical-shocks

The group is hedging 72.8% of Brent crude oil price at US$60.22 per barrel for the financial year 2020 (FY20) and MIDF Research is of the opinion that AirAsia’s prudent hedging strategy could weather the expected rise in oil prices.
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Wah! Airasia panda leh. Hedged cheaper than KLM..... tongue.gif

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Wah! Airasia panda leh. Hedged cheaper than KLM..... tongue.gif
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but in the case of KLM-AirFrance, I'm sure their gov will come to the rescue if anything, so they are not worried.
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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Mar 11 2020, 08:06 AM)
Some news about Fuel Hedging :

Air France-KLM Loss 1B,

Hedging price : $65/barrel

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton1/20...s/#35accd3f07b9

AirAsia Hedging price : 60/barrel

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...olitical-shocks

The group is hedging 72.8% of Brent crude oil price at US$60.22 per barrel for the financial year 2020 (FY20) and MIDF Research is of the opinion that AirAsia’s prudent hedging strategy could weather the expected rise in oil prices.
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Huh..
And now the price is almost half 😒🤣
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 11 2020, 10:14 AM)
Huh..
And now the price is almost half 😒🤣
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so now can invest in AirFrance-KLM? or BA??
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https://www.retailnews.asia/airasia-shares-...top-management/

Entering survival mode liao biggrin.gif
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Hitting as low as 0.91 already today! Steady, ready, top up!
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you dare to buy?
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Hitting as low as 0.91 already today! Steady, ready, top up!
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that's heroic.

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Malaysia Airlines staff asked to take 3 months’ unpaid leave due to Covid-19, says report
https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...19-says-report/

The sky is full of empty planes thanks to coronavirus and a curious EU rule
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/the...to-coronavirus/

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you dare to buy?
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Yeah gonna buy at every 0.1 interval down from 0.99, queuing up for 0.89 now

Not betting my life savings biggrin.gif this is like how some people like to go genting, I like to bet against certain prevailing sentiments
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Trump banned more flights today
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Yeah gonna buy at every 0.1 interval down from 0.99, queuing up for 0.89 now

Not betting my life savings biggrin.gif this is like how some people like to go genting, I like to bet against certain prevailing sentiments
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how much each time? RM 10k??

the fees are quite expensive .... sad.gif
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Trump banned more flights today
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I almost bought the unlimited pass and book a flight to Honolulu.
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how much each time? RM 10k??

the fees are quite expensive ....  sad.gif
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Waliao you big roller can bet 10k one hand la I small potato bet way smaller sum biggrin.gif

Go genting also need to pay toll pay petrol etc biggrin.gif transaction fees for this are not that bad
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Trump banned more flights today
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Well even third world country like India also banned all visitors from their country..
Must be following Trump their big boss 💪
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0.89
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i already told will drop but many sohai dunwan listen keep saying i bullshit.

hah ambik kau
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i already told will drop but many sohai dunwan listen keep saying i bullshit.

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0.50 next? biggrin.gif
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so now can invest in AirFrance-KLM? or BA??
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still long way~~ biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(airtawarian @ Mar 12 2020, 06:39 PM)
i already told will drop but many sohai dunwan listen keep saying i bullshit.

hah ambik kau
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Lucky me didn't follow all the sohais advice of buying first..
Covid19 is yet to bust it's maximum force on Malaysia & Asia 😑😣😡
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Lucky me didn't follow all the sohais advice of buying first..
Covid19 is yet to bust it's maximum force on Malaysia & Asia 😑😣😡
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Means you want to buy at 0.50? biggrin.gif if you don’t even believe the company at 0.99, whats gonna happen at 0.50 that will make it suddenly a bright prospect?
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Means you want to buy at 0.50? biggrin.gif if you don’t even believe the company at 0.99, whats gonna happen at 0.50 that will make it suddenly a bright prospect?
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1 word..
What comes down must go up one day...
Unless it's goes burst & declare bankrupt 😑
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 12 2020, 08:51 PM)
1 word..
What comes down must go up one day...
Unless it's goes burst & declare bankrupt 😑
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Seems like that’s what most people here is afraid isn’t it? Want to earn big money by betting on this, but don’t know if the price will keep falling until 0 biggrin.gif

That’s why I say earlier, if my bet turns out right, I’m suddenly “an investor”, if it turns out wrong then I’m just “a gambler”
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QUOTE(Intimidated @ Mar 10 2020, 07:20 AM)
Oh wow thread come alive again on downtrend but very quiet when it recovered from 0.99 last time biggrin.gif

Anyway, being an optimist, I’m gonna queue up and cost average in 1k increment per 0.1 dip biggrin.gif maintaining same exit horizon at late-2021

EDITED: a disclaimer lol, my behaviour is essentially gambling, don’t join the train if your analysis says AA will become penny stock or bankrupt by June 2020 biggrin.gif
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We hav same strategy... each round 10k increment... hehe.
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QUOTE(Intimidated @ Mar 12 2020, 08:54 PM)
Seems like that’s what most people here is afraid isn’t it? Want to earn big money by betting on this, but don’t know if the price will keep falling until 0 biggrin.gif

That’s why I say earlier, if my bet turns out right, I’m suddenly “an investor”, if it turns out wrong then I’m just “a gambler”
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Keep falling till zero?
🤔🤔

Please show me the way which counter dropped till zero
🤔🤔

Maybe I didn't see or missed it...
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 12 2020, 08:56 PM)
Keep falling till zero?
🤔🤔

Please show me the way which counter dropped till zero
🤔🤔

Maybe I didn't see or missed it...
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Figure of speech biggrin.gif like the recently delisted APFT
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time to collect?
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Airasia dividend payout and sales/leaseback program is coming back to haunt them.

I hope it doesn't go into cash flow problem
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Mar 13 2020, 09:32 AM)
Airasia dividend payout and sales/leaseback program is coming back to haunt them.

I hope it doesn't go into cash flow problem

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hopefully not....

otherwise, "now everyone cannot fly!" sad.gif
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hopefully not....

otherwise, "now everyone cannot fly!"  sad.gif
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Did you understand how AirAsia was able to give out dividends?
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Figure of speech biggrin.gif like the recently delisted APFT
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Oooh okay 😋
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Airasia dividend payout and sales/leaseback program is coming back to haunt them.

I hope it doesn't go into cash flow problem
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Somehow would be affected...
Because many route is being cancelled or reduce flying frequency....

China gone.. Japan gone... S.Korea gone..
Into US also might be gone.. recently added Indian continent also gone...

Basically gone case for now..
Losses of over 1bil for the financial year is confirmed...
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Loss is certain, hopefully no bankruptcy biggrin.gif mass panic in aviation sector now, further drop is expected. I’m still lining for the 0.1 interval
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While Tony & Co. cash out quite a big chunk already. To the tune of close to RM1bil lol.
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Mar 13 2020, 10:34 AM)
While Tony & Co. cash out quite a big chunk already. To the tune of close to RM1bil lol.
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Exactly. Sometimes if one takes the stock out of the equation, they will then understand if the stock is worth bothering....

For me, I always ask the simple question...

How was Airasia able to pay big dividends not too long ago?

Well, they already decided they needed the sales and leaseback. Debts gearing was way too big already. Unsustainable. Esp when you have less than 1 billion cash and carry more than 12 billion bank borrowings. New planes are coming in regularly (that 19us billion plane order). Ticket sales are simply not growing fast enough. So sales and leaseback was needed.

They then created a wholly owned subsidiary to handle the leaseback, called AAC.

So AAC but the planes and leaseback to their parent company, Airasia.

So voila. Airasia became rich by selling own planes and leasing back own planes. How rich? Was it 1 billion?

And they then got some company to buy this leasing company. LMAO!!

So Airasia got millions and millions and millions to give back to shareholder.

They needed the money cause too much bank borrowings. Instead of trying to lower the debts and improve their balance sheet, they gave out millions and millions in dividends.

Wait. The curveball was the previous year(s), Airasia did a cash call but that cash call (private placement of shares) as offered to only Tony and his partner.

Thinking about it. It was genius. Share placement to its big boss. Subsequently big dividend was given out. I think it was genius. You say?


Yes, the brand Airasia is there. Cheap flights are good. Who doesn't love cheap flights? But since there exist so many other stocks why should I bother trading the stock that carries so much questionable issues?

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 13 2020, 11:53 AM)
Exactly. Sometimes if one takes the stock out of the equation, they will then understand if the stock is worth bothering....

For me, I always ask the simple question...

How was Airasia able to pay big dividends not too long ago?

Well, they already decided they needed the sales and leaseback. Debts gearing was way too big already. Unsustainable. Esp when you have less than 1 billion cash and carry more than 12 billion bank borrowings. New planes are coming in regularly (that 19us billion plane order). Ticket sales are simply not growing fast enough. So sales and leaseback was needed.

They then created a wholly owned subsidiary to handle the leaseback, called AAC.

So AAC but the planes and leaseback to their parent company, Airasia.

So voila. Airasia became rich by selling own planes and leasing back own planes. How rich? Was it 1 billion?

And they then got some company to buy this leasing company. LMAO!!

So Airasia got millions and millions and millions to give back to shareholder.

They needed the money cause too much bank borrowings. Instead of trying to lower the debts and improve their balance sheet, they gave out millions and millions in dividends.

Wait. The curveball was the previous year(s), Airasia did a cash call but that cash call (private placement of shares) as offered to only Tony and his partner.

Thinking about it. It was genius. Share placement to its big boss. Subsequently big dividend was given out. I think it was genius. You say?
Yes, the brand Airasia is there. Cheap flights are good. Who doesn't love cheap flights? But since there exist so many other stocks why should I bother trading the stock that carries so much questionable issues?
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People don't care and they still buy. Buy low sell high ya.

They would be better off buying genm dip.
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People don't care and they still buy. Buy low sell high ya.

They would be better off buying genm dip.
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How true!!

They anchored their believes based on what they witnessed. All full Airasia flights. Every place they visit, all they see is Airasia...... they simply ignore to peep into Airasia drawer and realise that it might be a house of paper airplanes!!
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 13 2020, 12:03 PM)
How true!!

They anchored their believes based on what they witnessed. All full Airasia flights. Every place they visit, all they see is Airasia...... they simply ignore to peep into Airasia drawer and realise that it might be a house of paper airplanes!!
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Each to their own biggrin.gif you have your analysis, I have my blind optimism!

Can’t help but notice people without a stake in this seems to be more invested in seeing the company go bust than industry short sellers or blind believers biggrin.gif I wonder what’s really at stake here - actual money or ego?
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 13 2020, 11:53 AM)
Exactly. Sometimes if one takes the stock out of the equation, they will then understand if the stock is worth bothering....

For me, I always ask the simple question...

How was Airasia able to pay big dividends not too long ago?

Well, they already decided they needed the sales and leaseback. Debts gearing was way too big already. Unsustainable. Esp when you have less than 1 billion cash and carry more than 12 billion bank borrowings. New planes are coming in regularly (that 19us billion plane order). Ticket sales are simply not growing fast enough. So sales and leaseback was needed.

They then created a wholly owned subsidiary to handle the leaseback, called AAC.

So AAC but the planes and leaseback to their parent company, Airasia.

So voila. Airasia became rich by selling own planes and leasing back own planes. How rich? Was it 1 billion?

And they then got some company to buy this leasing company. LMAO!!

So Airasia got millions and millions and millions to give back to shareholder.

They needed the money cause too much bank borrowings. Instead of trying to lower the debts and improve their balance sheet, they gave out millions and millions in dividends.

Wait. The curveball was the previous year(s), Airasia did a cash call but that cash call (private placement of shares) as offered to only Tony and his partner.

Thinking about it. It was genius. Share placement to its big boss. Subsequently big dividend was given out. I think it was genius. You say?
Yes, the brand Airasia is there. Cheap flights are good. Who doesn't love cheap flights? But since there exist so many other stocks why should I bother trading the stock that carries so much questionable issues?
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with all those questionable decisions, and this year covid causes serious disruptions to their business, any hope for them to survive? it looks very bleak.

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with all those questionable decisions, and this year covid causes serious disruptions to their business, any hope for them to survive? it looks very bleak.
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Raya will be a good indication biggrin.gif see if they can fill at least 70% of their capacity
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QUOTE(anakMY @ Mar 13 2020, 12:09 PM)
with all those questionable decisions, and this year covid causes serious disruptions to their business, any hope for them to survive? it looks very bleak.
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Flights cancelled. Dwindling passengers.

And then you have the many fundamental issues about the company.

Stocks worldwide has corrected substantially.

Simple question is why need to bet on this stock?
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 13 2020, 12:16 PM)
Flights cancelled. Dwindling passengers.

And then you have the many fundamental issues about the company.

Stocks worldwide has corrected substantially.

Simple question is why need to bet on this stock?
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Why do people go to the casino? biggrin.gif

You’re probably ignoring me already but to be fair, i appreciate that you do know what you’re talking about when it comes to the actual state of the company. Like, you did your homework. But sometimes people just get this feeling that they should do something, even if it flies against the conventional wisdom and it’s a really bad idea, like taking a cheap holiday in Shanghai now biggrin.gif either end up getting COVID-19 and die, or hey it’s a bloody cheap holiday!

At least in this casino called bursa I won’t lose my life if I’m wrong biggrin.gif but the upside apart from monetary gain? The joy of knowing my fart-based decision made me money lol

1.30 or higher by late-2021. I’ll bookmark this and set alarm for October 2021 biggrin.gif
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If anyone is still interested in investing in AirAsia, I'd highly suggest to compare to the performance of budget airlines around the world, especially take a look at their core performance indicators such as RPM/APM/Passenger capacity/Debts and balance sheet strength, including their fuel hedging strategy (or lack of it). Then compare their stock market performance to see which one has been beaten down way worse than AirAsia.

Those that have a stronger performance/financial position and shares that have declined way more is a better bet for upside.

Hint: Spirit Airlines.

Just my 2 cents. Study well before putting your hard earned money in any counters. Facts don't lie (unless of course there's accounting manipulation tongue.gif)
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QUOTE(Raymond_ACCA @ Mar 13 2020, 12:55 PM)
If anyone is still interested in investing in AirAsia, I'd highly suggest to compare to the performance of budget airlines around the world, especially take a look at their core performance indicators such as RPM/APM/Passenger capacity/Debts and balance sheet strength, including their fuel hedging strategy (or lack of it). Then compare their stock market performance to see which one has been beaten down way worse than AirAsia.

Those that have a stronger performance/financial position and shares that have declined way more is a better bet for upside.

Hint: Spirit Airlines.

Just my 2 cents. Study well before putting your hard earned money in any counters. Facts don't lie (unless of course there's accounting manipulation tongue.gif)
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Good tips!

I’ll take your word and put a small sum on spirit airlines biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 13 2020, 11:53 AM)
Exactly. Sometimes if one takes the stock out of the equation, they will then understand if the stock is worth bothering....

For me, I always ask the simple question...

How was Airasia able to pay big dividends not too long ago?

Well, they already decided they needed the sales and leaseback. Debts gearing was way too big already. Unsustainable. Esp when you have less than 1 billion cash and carry more than 12 billion bank borrowings. New planes are coming in regularly (that 19us billion plane order). Ticket sales are simply not growing fast enough. So sales and leaseback was needed.

They then created a wholly owned subsidiary to handle the leaseback, called AAC.

So AAC but the planes and leaseback to their parent company, Airasia.

So voila. Airasia became rich by selling own planes and leasing back own planes. How rich? Was it 1 billion?

And they then got some company to buy this leasing company. LMAO!!

So Airasia got millions and millions and millions to give back to shareholder.

They needed the money cause too much bank borrowings. Instead of trying to lower the debts and improve their balance sheet, they gave out millions and millions in dividends.

Wait. The curveball was the previous year(s), Airasia did a cash call but that cash call (private placement of shares) as offered to only Tony and his partner.

Thinking about it. It was genius. Share placement to its big boss. Subsequently big dividend was given out. I think it was genius. You say?
Yes, the brand Airasia is there. Cheap flights are good. Who doesn't love cheap flights? But since there exist so many other stocks why should I bother trading the stock that carries so much questionable issues?
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wah.... you're not a shareholder also research so much about the company?? thumbup.gif

Is this your day time job?
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wah.... you're not a shareholder also research so much about the company??  thumbup.gif

Is this your day time job?
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My opinion(S) on all Airasia issues can be found all over the forum. I had been consistently critical against the way the company had been run. It's a sham. A company built on credit cannot be sustained.

A house of paper airplane.
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 13 2020, 01:54 PM)
My opinion(S) on all Airasia issues can be found all over the forum. I had been consistently critical against the way the company had been run. It's a sham. A company built on credit cannot be sustained.

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Not many ppl read the AR n even lesser understand that AA was an aircraft-leasing company few years back should u judge a company based on its sources of income.
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Not many ppl read the AR n even lesser understand that AA was an aircraft-leasing company few years back should u judge a company based on its sources of income.
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It’s a very simplistic but also easy way to gauge if a company/person has a future biggrin.gif

Just like personal finance, you can only save as much as you earn. You earn RM1, your maximum saving is RM1 if you don’t spend anything at all biggrin.gif if you can earn RM10,000, then only it’s worthwhile to look into cutting down commitments and keep what’s left biggrin.gif

So base on that really naive analogy, AA just need to survive the coming six months (which they plan to, according to the recent pay cuts and etc), see what they can about whatever leasing/hedging, and pray for revenue to come back again biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(tangtang22 @ Mar 13 2020, 02:06 PM)
Not many ppl read the AR n even lesser understand that AA was an aircraft-leasing company few years back should u judge a company based on its sources of income.
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Well exactly. The facts are all there that the company financial engineering is not gonna last. Many questionable issues. The incredible intercompany transactions. The layers and the layers of it. The integrity issue of the boss. The hedging issues which highlighted the boss tendency to bet rather than to hedge.
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 13 2020, 04:19 PM)
Well exactly. The facts are all there that the company financial engineering is not gonna last. Many questionable issues. The incredible intercompany transactions. The layers and the layers of it. The integrity issue of the boss.  The hedging issues which highlighted the boss tendency to bet rather than to hedge.
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the last thing one of the stock owner will ever found out it is flying cans of worm sweat.gif
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the last thing one of the stock owner will ever found out it is flying cans of worm  sweat.gif
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Problem is once the issue of stock price is factored in most issues are usually ignored.....


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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Mar 13 2020, 04:28 PM)
Problem is once the issue of stock price is factored in most issues are usually ignored.....
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Hahaha alright someone just reported my post biggrin.gif I’m sorry if I offended your sensibilities by taking an opposite position of yours

But hey if it turns out I’m right about this and I make money from this, quote me this post and I’ll buy you a drink. No hard feelings. Peace out folks
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QUOTE(Intimidated @ Mar 13 2020, 01:00 PM)
Good tips!

I’ll take your word and put a small sum on spirit airlines biggrin.gif
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I am in no way asking you to buy.. just asking you to compare. There are also alot of factors to think - i.e. will an airline declare bankruptcy to break plane purchase agreements etc. Also, who are the main customers of budget airlines - these group of people might be out of jobs etc etc. There's a whole macro picture to consider and not buying in just because the price is "low". Of course, if you have lots of bullets and would like to make an informed bet, so be it..
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Airasia will drop to what price? Think to get some when bottom price. Any idea?
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Airasia will drop to what price? Think to get some when bottom price. Any idea?
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Drop to 0 like all pyramid scheme.
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Airasia will drop to what price? Think to get some when bottom price. Any idea?
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drop until niama cannot recognize
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they need to go private... but o too much debt, boss himself won't want to take the company private
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FYI... MAS, airlines...

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MAS tells staff carrier risks bankruptcy amid Covid-19 travel ban
https://www.themalaysianinsight.com/s/228941

Virus could bankrupt most airlines by end of May
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/regional/20...s-by-end-of-may


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bankrupt by end of May??
huuhuhuh

then better don't enter at all whistling.gif
BUT what if there's U turn??? U shape recovery... another chance gone up i smoke laugh.gif laugh.gif

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