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FireIceCombo
post Oct 13 2015, 03:11 PM

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there is no best water. safe for drinking is definitely boiled water which is efficient.

i have been workiing with de-ionized water for the past 15 years. Touted to be the cleanest purest water available. Definitely not for drinking, this i can tell u .
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post Oct 13 2015, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(xelrix @ Oct 13 2015, 03:06 PM)
The only good thing about these best, alkaline water sources is their taste and purity.

There is nothing special about alkaline.

I would suggest that you ditch this alkaline idea.

Get these scientists you're going to work with to research water taste. Good tasting water can wasily fit the hype of "good water". Maybe the smell (chlorine smells is bad), maybe the colour (very slight bluish tinge may infer a "clean" image.) Shit like that. It doesn't have to be actual changes to water. Maybe some light tricks to the container of the water could manifest such illusion without actually do anything to the water that has a potential of some lawsuits.

For purity, just devise some generic filtration system and youre good to go. Or just make a reverse osmosis machine, then have the machine do something about the taste later.

The rest, do whatever marketing gimmicks you want.

But, if youre looking to make something revolutionary, something that could cure cancer (or ambitious shit like that), out of plain water, youre out of luck.
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My reply was tailored for joe_mamak.

I do concur that there is nothing special about alkaline in itself. Alkalinity is just a measurement of something else.

The whole idea of selling alkaline water is part-gimmick, part truth.

I am tweaking it further to be fully substantiated by science and logic. Plus those stuff that you mentioned. And other stuff too. smile.gif
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post Oct 13 2015, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 13 2015, 03:01 PM)
Not the best water based on my understanding. But feel free to post some real science here substantiating your belief.
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"Real science" is laid bare in the internet with plenty of conflicting interests at play here. The rest boils down the anecdotes. And I trust my own anecdotes.
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post Oct 13 2015, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(VanishS @ Oct 13 2015, 03:13 PM)
"Real science" is laid bare in the internet with plenty of conflicting interests at play here. The rest boils down the anecdotes. And I trust my own anecdotes.
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If the science works, the anecdotal evidence will come in too. You can work from that end of the spectrum, while I work from this end, or start from both ends, it's the same.
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post Oct 13 2015, 03:16 PM

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miracle water got?
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post Oct 13 2015, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(FireIceCombo @ Oct 13 2015, 03:11 PM)
there is no best water. safe for drinking is definitely boiled water which is efficient.

i have been workiing with de-ionized water for the past 15 years. Touted to be the cleanest purest water available. Definitely not for drinking, this i can tell u .
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What are you working as again? Sounds interesting to me.
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post Oct 13 2015, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(VanishS @ Oct 13 2015, 03:00 PM)
You might want to switch to mineral water for a few months and see the difference. No need to thank me for this.
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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 13 2015, 03:01 PM)
Not the best water based on my understanding. But feel free to post some real science here substantiating your belief.
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Those are the functions of water in our body. A lot of people misunderstand "water provide minerals to body" and it's also the most common argument against distilled water.

There are organic minerals and inorganic minerals. Take calcium for example:

calcium from rocks = inorganic
calcium from spinach = organic

We need minerals from plants (food), not from ground. The ground minerals are for plants, because to humans, they are less bioavailable (more difficult to be assimilated into our body). Water's function here is to carry and distribute all the minerals and nutrients from food to our cells.

Distilled water is the purest form of water, and it can do all the functions mentioned above efficiently without the interference from other stuffs inside the water.

This post has been edited by J1g54w: Oct 13 2015, 03:20 PM
FireIceCombo
post Oct 13 2015, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 13 2015, 03:16 PM)
What are you working as again? Sounds interesting to me.
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post Oct 13 2015, 03:20 PM

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Sounds like what TS wants to do is let you all do the work, while he makes all the money.
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post Oct 13 2015, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(differ @ Oct 13 2015, 03:20 PM)
Sounds like what TS wants to do is let you all do the work, while he makes all the money.
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If you have the idea in the first place.
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post Oct 13 2015, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(FireIceCombo @ Oct 13 2015, 03:19 PM)
chemist
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I do agree with your comments by the way.

And would be interesting to hear a professional's explanation on why de-ionized water is not for drinking, please elaborate smile.gif
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post Oct 13 2015, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 13 2015, 03:21 PM)
If you have the idea in the first place.
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There's plenty of ideas floating around, just that /k "looks" lazy enough not to do anything about it. tongue.gif
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post Oct 13 2015, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 13 2015, 03:14 PM)
If the science works, the anecdotal evidence will come in too. You can work from that end of the spectrum, while I work from this end, or start from both ends, it's the same.
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Oh yeah i'm sure it does. Sure it does. As long there are no corporate interests at play here.

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post Oct 13 2015, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 13 2015, 03:21 PM)
If you have the idea in the first place.
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So I'm right?
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post Oct 13 2015, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(differ @ Oct 13 2015, 03:38 PM)
So I'm right?
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FireIceCombo
post Oct 13 2015, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 13 2015, 03:22 PM)
I do agree with your comments by the way.

And would be interesting to hear a professional's explanation on why de-ionized water is not for drinking, please elaborate smile.gif
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de-ionized water is hungry water. long story short, its sucks up both the good and bad. it doesnt know which is good and which is bad, its hungry and just takes in everything.

imagine if it goes in your body, good and bad both being charged into the water, so u might end up with nothing or u might end up with more of the good or the bad perhaps ?
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post Oct 13 2015, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(FireIceCombo @ Oct 13 2015, 03:45 PM)
de-ionized water is hungry water. long story short, its sucks up both the good and bad. it doesnt know which is good and which is bad, its hungry and just takes in everything.

imagine if it goes in your body, good and bad both being charged into the water, so u might end up with nothing or u might end up with more of the good or the bad perhaps ?
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Links to papers that talk about this?
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post Oct 13 2015, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 13 2015, 03:58 PM)
Links to papers that talk about this?
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if via WHO, there are some published papers, but u'll need to go thru scores of them. u can find it on WHO's website for de-ionized and health benefits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purified_wate..._purified_water
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post Oct 13 2015, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(FireIceCombo @ Oct 13 2015, 04:03 PM)
if via WHO, there are some published papers, but u'll need to go thru scores of them. u can find it on WHO's website for de-ionized and health benefits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purified_wate..._purified_water
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Yeah I've got a few already, looking for more. Thanks for the link!

By the way, are you keen to provide some consultation on chemistry related stuff as per my first post? smile.gif

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FireIceCombo
post Oct 13 2015, 04:47 PM

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not really interested. if u have questions u can forward them to me. i'll try to answer them and lead u in the right path,.

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