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post Oct 14 2015, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Oct 14 2015, 01:51 PM)
Such as?
Some of those in the hypermarkets look pretty cheap to me.
You're a business grad and you're talking about things being free for all?
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1. For one of the potential problem, you can refer to the earlier comment of this chemist with the nickname FireIceCombo above.

2. There could be better water. Doesn't need to stop at RO.

3. Business studies and its corresponding reality is diverse. It's probably not as bad as you think it is. For example, heard of the social business model?
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post Oct 14 2015, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 14 2015, 01:57 PM)
1. For one of the potential problem, you can refer to the earlier comment of this chemist with the nickname FireIceCombo above.

2. There could be better water. Doesn't need to stop at RO.

3. Business studies and its corresponding reality is diverse. It's probably not as bad as you think it is. For example, heard of the social business model?
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1. That's not a problem..

2. Then you need funding.. and we're talking tens of millions for research that will last 10 years or more.

3. I am not a marketer, but I think there's always a cost involved somewhere along the line.
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post Oct 14 2015, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Oct 14 2015, 02:17 PM)
1. That's not a problem..

2. Then you need funding.. and we're talking tens of millions for research that will last 10 years or more.

3. I am not a marketer, but I think there's always a cost involved somewhere along the line.
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1. It may not be a major problem in the larger scale of things. But there still are inadequacies. If you are in the health sciences / chemistry we could talk via PM, I can show you other areas of support and we can discuss further. Otherwise, I don't think there's a need to argue here.

2. I'm working on the basis that there is an existing product already, it is relatively new to the market. We can improve on it. And it doesn't need that much.

3. There is cost involved with everything. It's also how much profit you want to make that has to be factored into the equation.

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post Oct 14 2015, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(FireIceCombo @ Oct 13 2015, 04:47 PM)
not really interested. if u have questions u can forward them to me. i'll try to answer them and lead u in the right path,.
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So the best water is the water straight from our pipe without any water filter? And then boiled it and drink? hmm.gif
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post Oct 14 2015, 08:22 PM

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QUOTE(LaVilla. @ Oct 14 2015, 08:16 PM)
So the best water is the water straight from our pipe without any water filter? And then boiled it and drink?  hmm.gif
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Adequate, yes. But best? Of course not. laugh.gif
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post Oct 14 2015, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 14 2015, 08:22 PM)
Adequate, yes. But best? Of course not.  laugh.gif
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I want answer from him only tongue.gif Since you got some plan behind, so i don't trust you biggrin.gif

Anyway, just wanna say to you is, it's easier to criticize and point out bad points about someone than doing it yourself wink.gif
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post Oct 14 2015, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(LaVilla. @ Oct 14 2015, 08:31 PM)
I want answer from him only tongue.gif Since you got some plan behind, so i don't trust you biggrin.gif

Anyway, just wanna say to you is, it's easier to criticize and point out bad points about someone than doing it yourself wink.gif
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I like listening to bad points too, as I said it's important to know all the counter arguments in order to make a scientifically validated product. Just make sure they're logical and substantiated. smile.gif
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post Oct 14 2015, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 14 2015, 09:07 PM)
I like listening to bad points too, as I said it's important to know all the counter arguments in order to make a scientifically validated product. Just make sure they're logical and substantiated. smile.gif
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What I meant is, do not get discourage by all these criticism and whatsoever that people replied at here wink.gif Wish you all the best though smile.gif And good luck of course smile.gif

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post Oct 15 2015, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(LaVilla. @ Oct 14 2015, 08:16 PM)
So the best water is the water straight from our pipe without any water filter? And then boiled it and drink?  hmm.gif
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Not enough studies to pin the best water for drinking. So far, most scientific journals point to natural spring and boiled. Since most do not have access to a natural spring, our tap treated water is good enough and safe for consumption.
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post Oct 15 2015, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(FireIceCombo @ Oct 15 2015, 09:46 AM)
Not enough studies to pin the best water for drinking. So far, most scientific journals point to natural spring and boiled. Since most do not have access to a natural spring, our tap treated water is good enough and safe for consumption.
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LaVilla., told you icon_idea.gif

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post Oct 15 2015, 10:02 AM

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pseudo science?
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post Oct 15 2015, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 15 2015, 10:02 AM)
pseudo science?
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Nope. smile.gif
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post Oct 15 2015, 10:14 AM

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There's no proof that "alkaline" water is good for you. If anything, a drop of lemon juice or milk rapidly changes the pH level of water.
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post Oct 15 2015, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ Oct 15 2015, 10:14 AM)
There's no proof that "alkaline" water is good for you. If anything, a drop of lemon juice or milk rapidly changes the pH level of water.
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Thanks for your comment. What you indicated is right as well. But my first post doesn't specifically mention the sale of 'alkaline water' similar to what we see in the current water filter landscape. May I know how you got this impression?
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post Oct 15 2015, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 15 2015, 10:19 AM)
Thanks for your comment. What you indicated is right as well. But my first post doesn't specifically mention the sale of 'alkaline water' similar to what we see in the current water filter landscape. May I know how you got this impression?
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You mentioned in your "short description" of the idea.

Anyway, if I was a consumer I will not buy gimmicky water products because through my own understand is humans have been drinking unfiltered water for thousands of years, i.e. water which could have bacteria, sediments etc. Our standard of water today is much cleaner already by comparison.

Personally, I'm more interested in water related products that:
1) Prevents sediments settling on the pipes in the house to prevent rusting/clogs/leaks
2) Stops my light colored clothes from turning gray-ish over time after repeated washing.
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post Oct 15 2015, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 15 2015, 10:07 AM)
Nope.  smile.gif
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There are thousands of water purifier products in the market, most offering nothing of value added except some punchlines!

The most important aspects of filtration at the tap is to remove

a) Undesirable solids- Dissolved and undissolved
b) Heavy metals
c) Excessive chlorine

while retaining desirable minerals and trace elements.

All else is bunk. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 15 2015, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(FireIceCombo @ Oct 15 2015, 09:46 AM)
Not enough studies to pin the best water for drinking. So far, most scientific journals point to natural spring and boiled. Since most do not have access to a natural spring, our tap treated water is good enough and safe for consumption.
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Then does those mineral water sell in the store are better than our boiled tap water? How about drinking water sell in the store compares to mineral water and boiled tap water?

QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 15 2015, 10:01 AM)
LaVilla., told you  icon_idea.gif
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Haha ok. You win tongue.gif
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post Oct 15 2015, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ Oct 15 2015, 10:47 AM)
You mentioned in your "short description" of the idea.

Anyway, if I was a consumer I will not buy gimmicky water products because through my own understand is humans have been drinking unfiltered water for thousands of years, i.e. water which could have bacteria, sediments etc. Our standard of water today is much cleaner already by comparison.

Personally, I'm more interested in water related products that:
1) Prevents sediments settling on the pipes in the house to prevent rusting/clogs/leaks
2) Stops my light colored clothes from turning gray-ish over time after repeated washing.
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Thanks for commenting, appreciate it.

Current water quality may be cleaner in comparison, but there is a market for everything. I am also trying to make those gimmicks as scientifically validated as possible, so no gimmicks.

QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 15 2015, 10:47 AM)
There are thousands of water purifier products in the market, most offering nothing of value added except some punchlines!

The most important aspects of filtration at the tap is to remove

a) Undesirable solids- Dissolved and undissolved
b) Heavy metals
c) Excessive chlorine

while retaining desirable minerals and trace elements.

All else is bunk.   biggrin.gif
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Thanks for your input, appreciate them.

Yep. You're right. Except for some smaller details which we may have differing opinion on - but that's what creates a market for different goods and services.

Quick question: would you rely on a UV lamp device to avoid the need to boil + convenience?

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post Oct 15 2015, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 15 2015, 11:16 AM)
Current water quality may be cleaner in comparison, but there is a market for everything.
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Yes. But are you planning to go into the market for suckers for some short term profit, or a viable market for long term growth?
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post Oct 15 2015, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ Oct 15 2015, 11:19 AM)
Yes. But are you planning to go into the market for suckers for some short term profit, or a viable market for long term growth?
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Check out Amway's device. I personally think that it is a good product + a good recurring income model from servicing and replacements.

Only downside is possibly the price, which may hamper purchases from the lower-middle and lower spending demographics.

However, as evidenced throughout the years, there is still a market even for this premium-priced product, and arguably growing.

That said, I'm not eyeing the premium market, want to make it available to the wider public, as a semi-premium / affordable good due to personal values and principles.

Maybe something similar to Panasonic/Philips pricing or cheaper, but offering more premium water profile.

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