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Looking for SCIENCE degree holders, To innovate on a water product together
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LaVilla.
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Oct 22 2015, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 15 2015, 04:13 PM) At least consider using something in the RM140 - RM400 range here as a pre-filter before you boil. http://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/kitch...filtration.htmlFree Bump for your thread Anyway, really thank you for the recommendation ^^ Attached thumbnail(s)
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TStagz8
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Oct 23 2015, 09:04 AM
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QUOTE(LaVilla. @ Oct 22 2015, 09:35 PM) Free Bump for your thread Anyway, really thank you for the recommendation ^^ You're welcome. By the way, you still have to boil the water
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LaVilla.
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Oct 23 2015, 09:23 AM
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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 23 2015, 09:04 AM) You're welcome. By the way, you still have to boil the water  hehe..i know i know
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TStagz8
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Oct 23 2015, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE(LaVilla. @ Oct 23 2015, 09:23 AM) hehe..i know i know  Don't use the plastic kettle.. Use an electric stainless steel kettle
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LaVilla.
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Oct 23 2015, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 23 2015, 10:24 AM) Don't use the plastic kettle.. Use an electric stainless steel kettle  how you know i am using plastic kettle?
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TStagz8
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Oct 23 2015, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE(LaVilla. @ Oct 23 2015, 10:49 AM) how you know i am using plastic kettle?  心灵相通? Haha. Just guessed, it's very common anyway due to it being cheap and convenient.
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LaVilla.
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Oct 23 2015, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 23 2015, 10:55 AM) 心灵相通? Haha. Just guessed, it's very common anyway due to it being cheap and convenient. but then my thought is, since they used plastic and the plastic able to re-stand high temperature, so shall be okay right?
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TStagz8
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Oct 23 2015, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE(LaVilla. @ Oct 23 2015, 10:57 AM) but then my thought is, since they used plastic and the plastic able to re-stand high temperature, so shall be okay right?  Never know what they may be leaching into the water. Anyway, I have not looked into this matter. Very good idea you gave me. Will search more over the weekend and give you a proper reply.
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LaVilla.
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Oct 23 2015, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 23 2015, 11:02 AM) Never know what they may be leaching into the water. Anyway, I have not looked into this matter. Very good idea you gave me. Will search more over the weekend and give you a proper reply. yea, you are right somehow. Eh, erm ok. You are welcome then  I myself will also search and see, since i never actually think about this.
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TStagz8
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Oct 24 2015, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE(LaVilla. @ Oct 23 2015, 11:11 AM) yea, you are right somehow. Eh, erm ok. You are welcome then  I myself will also search and see, since i never actually think about this. I'll admit I didn't have much time to do a thorough research on that. But pulling ideas out of my mind, what I can think of as one of the safest (idealistic): Using an induction cooker (portable/non portable), and an induction friendly stainless steel pot The reason for this is to avoid potential nickel contamination from nickel coated heating coils in your regular stainless steel electric kettles. Unless you can verify with the manufacturer on whether it is nickel free or what measures they employ to mitigate such risk. Another even more idealistic way, is to use an induction cooker with an intermediate heat transfer disc and use a heat-resistant glass like pyrex to contain the water. Someone may find a more convenient way for the above, but I believe it's highly convenient already, and very likely even faster than using electric/gas.
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CyberSetan
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Oct 24 2015, 08:03 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 13 2015, 01:59 PM) Hi all,
Looking for a few like-minded people to develop a product together, based on an idea I have for a home-based water purifier system.
Before we begin, it should be stated that we should try to do things on a self-funded basis, just like a hobby we work on together. We can meet on weekends to develop the concept. To purchase materials, we can pool money together too. All that is needed is your commitment and expertise.
A short description on the idea:
Pretty sure you've heard about (and have your own criticisms) alkaline water and other types of miraculous water, energy-charged water, etc. and all the popular brands that cost upwards of thousands of Ringgit (e.g. A****, C****, D****).
And many people feel that these are overpriced. Not only that, many claims of health benefits are hyped up and probably false marketing. Simply put, they are fanciful gadgets that people would like to own, but often overpriced and probably do not work as claimed.
What I am looking to do is to create a similar system that not only FULFILLS the hype, but is also affordable. Above all, the product concept and claims should be backed up by findings in research papers.
In short, I believe in the power of marketing HYPE, but at the same time being CORRECT and IRREFUTABLE; in other words I want to be the underdog that becomes a pesky challenge to existing corporations' principles and marketing standards.
Also, it would be based on irrefutable health and nutrition FACTS, supported by valid research.
I have identified a specific working product in the market which launched only recently, which we would emulate and innovate on and sell for a profit, as the market is still new. This particular product already meets some of the high-standards I have stated above, but can still be optimized further.
I can't point out the specific products here, as that would be our competitive edge for now; in short it's very similar to a home-based water purifier system just like what you see in Malaysia. I feel that we can emulate the current products I am eyeing, and innovate on mechanism, production methods, and final end-produce for human consumption.
The workaround:
The current handful of live products I am referring to, have brought to market a new concept, but have YET to gain widespread traction like your usual brands and marketing hype. However, they are slowly but steadily gaining ground, so we'd want to be fast.
Will need to purchase the product, de-construct it and make it better. Yes, this probably infringes some ethics and IP but this is how things work worldwide; not to mention we should innovate it so that it no longer infringes on IP, but also becomes a better product.
I have also identified the necessary supporting research papers for this cause, in order to differentiate the product and make it a winner. These include: A paper on lab experiments done to yield a NOVEL chemical reaction, also papers on the BENEFICIAL effects of such chemicals to the body.
A short background on myself:
I am not a science guy, I came from business-related studies. However, being analytical, factual, logical, and correct is my game. My work requires me to be in regular contact with senior management of various leading corporations in Malaysia, and not looking stupid is among the first few rules in my playbook. Thanks to advice of a fellow forumer, a clarification: This statement is not meant to be bossy or shut out comments, what I meant was to reassure the science community of my character and credibility, and that our pursuit will be in good science as advised by yourself, with me giving input on consumer best standards.
I have a knack for identifying new product trends too, related to health and fitness. Something that really works, not just a fad. Well, I may not the first to identify, but I'm definitely among the first 5% in the market do recognize the importance of something and its potential applications.
For example, recognizing blue-light to be bad for our eyes after poring through some research papers, I couldn't find blue-light blocking glasses in Malaysia a couple of years back, but now they are selling widespread, and you can see monitor brands coming up with low blue-light screens. Even lens companies like Zeiss have already started selling blue-light preventing spectacle lens. Again, should reiterate that I am not the first, but I am among the first 5% to identify.
My next prediction: DNA profiling and associated lifestyle adaptations to perform your best would be the next big thing. (This is unrelated to the topic at hand )
The winning team, a prediction:
I have identified the following skill sets to be necessary for the success of the initial stages this endeavor:
(1) Good in chemistry, familiar with replicating lab experiments, e.g. - Chemical engineer, or - Chemist, or - Final year/fresh graduate with the above degrees
* Required to read a few lab papers on a particular chemical reaction and try to replicate it, as well as study how an existing product in the market is able to do this, and how to make one by ourselves. Able to work with food-grade minerals.
(2) Good in electrical modifications, wiring, systems, and a knack for deconstructing and inventing, e.g. - Electrical engineer, or - Mechatronic engineer, or - Final year/ fresh graduate with the above degrees
*To support the chemical engineer/chemist in constructing something that works as abovementioned, also to innovate in terms of how to make things cost cheaper, less bulk, more reliable, and new way of doing things. Perhaps integrating other solutions in the market such as piezoelectric. Resourceful and able to work with diverse range of materials including carbon filters, plastic moldings, stainless steel fabrication, river sand, etc.
(3) Someone in the health/medical line, e.g. - Doctor - Nutritionist - Final year/fresh graduate with a science degree that is qualified to comment on matters relating to the human body/health/nutrition
*To consult on the factual accuracy and validity of the ideas in relation to health and nutrition best standards, to play the devil's advocate. In future to serve as a qualified figurehead of the team as the 'health and nutrition/science' consultant.
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Looking forward to your replies and comments. Do refer a friend if you think he/she may be interested.
*All comments and viewpoints are welcome, though distasteful one-liner comments will be deleted.
Note: This piece of writeup is a work in progress, and I will edit it from time to time based on responses from fellow forumers. TLDR Doctor not interested. Kthxbye
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TStagz8
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Oct 24 2015, 08:08 PM
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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Oct 24 2015, 08:03 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
TLDR Doctor not interested. Kthxbye Ok, thanks for taking the trouble to comment anyway.
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popice2u
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Oct 24 2015, 08:34 PM
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another ecpi coming?
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TStagz8
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Oct 24 2015, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE(popice2u @ Oct 24 2015, 08:34 PM) What're your comments on that brand?
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TStagz8
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Oct 26 2015, 03:25 PM
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To update, a pharmaceutical chemistry graduate is now on board.
We're now onto developing a conceptual model based on the health sciences.
Targeted date to conceptualization is about 2 months.
Once we have developed this model, will be consulting an electrical engineering graduate on technical feasibility.
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FireIceCombo
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Oct 26 2015, 03:34 PM
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a pharma graduate is ok i guess. the more appropriate chemist is to look for those guarding semicon plants. those are the actual water experts. even those who are in personal care look highly upon the sifus in the semicon industry. pharma is 3rd or 4th graded.
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TStagz8
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Oct 26 2015, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE(FireIceCombo @ Oct 26 2015, 03:34 PM) a pharma graduate is ok i guess. the more appropriate chemist is to look for those guarding semicon plants. those are the actual water experts. even those who are in personal care look highly upon the sifus in the semicon industry. pharma is 3rd or 4th graded. Thanks for the suggestion, would hope to meet one someday. Can you introduce? However, even then, I would want to maximize my time with the semicon expert by presenting a conceptual idea that is somewhat feasible, so let us get that done first. Also, I guess each party would have his own expertise to contribute. For example, our pharm-chem guy would be able to provide an understanding skewed towards food and human health for the core of the concept, whereas the semicon chemist would be able to further optimize on water-composition chemistry. Thanks again. By the way, awesome username you have. This post has been edited by tagz8: Oct 26 2015, 03:55 PM
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FireIceCombo
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Oct 27 2015, 08:09 AM
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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 26 2015, 03:50 PM) Thanks for the suggestion, would hope to meet one someday. Can you introduce? However, even then, I would want to maximize my time with the semicon expert by presenting a conceptual idea that is somewhat feasible, so let us get that done first. Also, I guess each party would have his own expertise to contribute. For example, our pharm-chem guy would be able to provide an understanding skewed towards food and human health for the core of the concept, whereas the semicon chemist would be able to further optimize on water-composition chemistry. Thanks again. By the way, awesome username you have.  very difficult to get hold of 1. water specialists in semicon wont bother bout all these. paid very highly and constantly consulting syabas or even indah water. there are only like 8-9 specialists in whole of m'sia wei. u wan u can come and see me but gotta be either past 11pm or early 6am like that b4 i rush off to work.
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TStagz8
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Oct 27 2015, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE(FireIceCombo @ Oct 27 2015, 08:09 AM) very difficult to get hold of 1. water specialists in semicon wont bother bout all these. paid very highly and constantly consulting syabas or even indah water. there are only like 8-9 specialists in whole of m'sia wei. u wan u can come and see me but gotta be either past 11pm or early 6am like that b4 i rush off to work. Thanks so much for the offer. Will PM you on some technical questions once we get the concept ready.
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