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 Looking for SCIENCE degree holders, To innovate on a water product together

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TStagz8
post Oct 13 2015, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(ancientguy2 @ Oct 13 2015, 02:14 PM)
Very good idea bro, its about time we have people who innovate to bring costs down and make some money along the way , instead of whining of rising costs.

I wish i had any of the knowledge required to join this success story.  Nevertheless,  congratulations on your first step towards success.
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Thanks a lot for taking time to comment. What are your expertise (and personal contacts) in?

Perhaps we could work on other stuff when suitable opportunities arise.
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post Oct 13 2015, 05:18 PM

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The only water that I think is good is reverse osmosis water. The main reason is to remove fluoride which I found is a poison instead of helping our teeth it actually make it worse.

As for alkaline water, it could have some benefit. As I learned from my vegan diet, omnivorous diet is mostly acidic and by changing my diet to vegan, it has become predominantly alkaline. I would not dismiss the akaline water theory blindly but from my understanding, it would have little to no effect on me as my food is already alkaline.
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post Oct 13 2015, 05:19 PM

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maybe u should post at more appropiate section....
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post Oct 13 2015, 05:22 PM

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I'm in scientific line, not related to this, but last I heard,
Ppl in Singapore n China is developing atmospheric water generating machine, basically creating water from air
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post Oct 13 2015, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 13 2015, 05:18 PM)
The only water that I think is good is reverse osmosis water. The main reason is to remove fluoride which I found is a poison instead of helping our teeth it actually make it worse.

As for alkaline water, it could have some benefit. As I learned from my vegan diet, omnivorous diet is mostly acidic and by changing my diet to vegan, it has become predominantly alkaline. I would not dismiss the akaline water theory blindly but from my understanding, it would have little to no effect on me as my food is already alkaline.
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Most of the nutritious and healthy foods are acidic in pH. Your vegan diet would also comprise mainly acidic pH foods.

What you are referring to is the alkaline diet theory, which is linked to the PRAL formula (see Dr Thomas Remer), and to a certain extent the inflammation factor theory (see Monica Reinagel, and Dr Andrew Weil).

You will find that highly a highly nutritious diet following popular diets such as the DASH and Mediterranean diets, would comprise many acidic foods but most likely yielding an overall alkaline ash based on the PRAL formula. wink.gif

Any my understanding on alkaline water is probably different from yours. And yes, it would likely yield minimal differences assuming you are on a very well-balanced diet with minimal deficiencies.

QUOTE(3rdEdition @ Oct 13 2015, 05:19 PM)
maybe u should post at more appropiate section....
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I find that this section is possibly the best section as it is a wider target audience. The other is H&F but that's a very small subset. smile.gif

This post has been edited by tagz8: Oct 13 2015, 05:58 PM
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post Oct 13 2015, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(tdzheng @ Oct 13 2015, 05:22 PM)
I'm in scientific line, not related to this, but last I heard,
Ppl in Singapore n China is developing atmospheric water generating machine, basically creating water from air
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There are already such companies, the ones I know are from US.
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post Oct 13 2015, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 13 2015, 05:32 PM)
There are already such companies, the ones I know are from US.
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Yep, heard it many years ago. But I will find it very useful in the future if it's proliferated
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post Oct 13 2015, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(tdzheng @ Oct 13 2015, 05:38 PM)
Yep, heard it many years ago. But I will find it very useful in the future if it's proliferated
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It would be expensive I believe, and cost-viable in areas where drought is the norm, probably not going to be widespread in daily use. That's what I think lah. May be wrong as technology constantly evolves.
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post Oct 14 2015, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(Mr.Sohai @ Oct 13 2015, 05:30 PM)
done after join liao its become MLM company
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Oh no la, no product and license yet, how to be mlm co smile.gif
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post Oct 14 2015, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(ray123 @ Oct 13 2015, 02:21 PM)
All you need are a couple of religious figures who are willing to give their endorsement and put their faces on the product.
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Different target market. My ethnic languages not that good to know the market either.

QUOTE(EducationMaster @ Oct 13 2015, 05:29 PM)
U forgot most important character
U need religious person to bless ur product
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Can bless during product development and business setup stages smile.gif


QUOTE(chokia @ Oct 13 2015, 03:16 PM)
miracle water got?
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Near to smile.gif

QUOTE(WhySoStress @ Oct 13 2015, 05:24 PM)
just hire me and no need interview
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What's your expertise in? Fine with probono? smile.gif
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post Oct 14 2015, 11:58 AM

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They need doctor to endorse the product

That is dangerous

My biotechnology degree told me alkaline water or kangen water doesn't work

Placebo effect

Try this:

Get a person with diabetes, high blood pressure or gout
Give them alkaline water but without control their diet (eat as normal)

Sure nothing will happen

Patients already diagnosed with health issues will automatically control their diets n take medicines to control their conditin.
Therefore drinking alkaline water will do nothing
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post Oct 14 2015, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 13 2015, 05:46 PM)
It would be expensive I believe, and cost-viable in areas where drought is the norm, probably not going to be widespread in daily use. That's what I think lah. May be wrong as technology constantly evolves.
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Maybe, but Singapore has invested heavily on it.
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post Oct 14 2015, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(haroldz123 @ Oct 14 2015, 11:58 AM)
They need doctor to endorse the product

That is dangerous

My biotechnology degree told me alkaline water or kangen water doesn't work

Placebo effect

Try this:

Get a person with diabetes, high blood pressure or gout
Give them alkaline water but without control their diet (eat as normal)

Sure nothing will happen

Patients already diagnosed with health issues will automatically control their diets n take medicines to control their conditin.
Therefore drinking alkaline water will do nothing
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Those range of products do not work in line with the claimed medical miraculous claims, hence you're right in that sense.

But my original post wasn't about alkaline water.
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post Oct 14 2015, 01:36 PM

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lol! you want engineers to work for FREE..
Sorry, if your product is so ground breaking.. you'll consider paying at least some compensation for their expertise..
topkek..
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post Oct 14 2015, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(the99percent1 @ Oct 14 2015, 01:36 PM)
lol! you want engineers to work for FREE..
Sorry, if your product is so ground breaking.. you'll consider paying at least some compensation for their expertise..
topkek..
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I'm working for free too. You didn't read the word 'like-minded'?
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post Oct 14 2015, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 13 2015, 01:59 PM)
Looking for a few like-minded people to develop a product, based on an idea I have for a home-based water purifier system.

Before I begin, it should be stated beforehand that things should be done on pro-bono basis. We can meet on weekends to develop the concept. To purchase materials, we can pool money together too. All that is needed is your commitment and expertise.

A short description on the idea:

Pretty sure you've heard about (and have your own criticisms) alkaline water and other types of 'miraculous' water, energy-charged water, etc. and all the popular brands that cost upwards of thousands of Ringgit (e.g. A****, C****, D****). And most people feel that these are overpriced. Not only that, many claims of health benefits are hyped up and probably false marketing. Simply put, they are overpriced fanciful gadgets that probably do not work.

What I am looking to do is to create a similar water product that not only FULFILLS the hype, but is also affordable. Above all, the product concept and all claims should be backed up by findings in research papers. In short, I believe in the power of marketing HYPE, but at the same time being CORRECT and IRREFUTABLE; in other words I want to be the underdog that becomes a pesky challenge to existing corporations' principles and marketing standards.

Also, it would be based on irrefutable health and nutrition FACTS, supported by valid research.

I can't point out the specific type or example of product here, as that would be a hush hush for now; in short it's a home-based water purifier system, just like what you see in Malaysia. There are existing ones in the market already for this particular product I am eyeing, and I feel that we can copy them, and innovate on cost and production methods.

The workaround:

There are already a few live products in the market, but they are not widespread like your usual brands and marketing hype, YET.

I have identified the necessary supporting research papers for this cause. These include: A paper on lab experiments done to yield a particular chemical reaction, also papers on the benefits of such chemicals to the body.

I have also identified the existing product (it is already quickly gaining traction so we want to be fast). Will need to purchase the product, deconstruct it and make it better. Yes, this probably infringes some ethics and IP but this is how things work worldwide; not to mention we should innovate it so that it no longer infringes on IP, but also becomes a better product.

A short background on myself:

I am not a science guy, I came from business-related studies. However, being analytical, factual, logical, and correct is my game. My work requires me to be in regular contact with senior management of a number of leading corporations in Malaysia. Not looking stupid is among the first few rules in my playbook.

I have a knack for identifying new product trends too, related to health and fitness. Something that really works, not just a fad. Well, I'm not the first to identify, but I'm definitely among the first 5% in the market do recognize the importance of something and its potential applications.

For example, recognizing blue-light to be bad for our eyes after poring through some research papers, I couldn't find blue-light blocking glasses in Malaysia a couple of years back, but now they are selling widespread here, and you can see monitor brands coming up with low blue-light screens. Even lens companies like Zeiss have already started selling blue-light preventing spectacle lens. Again, should reiterate that I am not the first, but I am among the first 5% to identify.

My next prediction: DNA profiling and associated lifestyle adaptations to perform your best would be the next big thing. (This is unrelated to the topic at hand  tongue.gif )

The team required:

I have identified the following skill sets to be necessary for the success of the initial stages this endeavor:

(1) Good in chemistry, familiar with replicating lab experiments, e.g.

- Chemical engineer
- Chemist
- Final year/fresh graduate with the above degrees

* Required to read a few lab papers on a particular chemical reaction and try to replicate it, as well as study how an existing product in the market is able to do this, and how to make one by ourselves. Able to work with food-grade minerals.

(2) Good in electrical modifications, wiring, systems, and a knack for deconstructing and inventing, e.g.

- Electrical engineer
- Mechatronic engineer
- Final year/ fresh graduate with the above degrees

*To support the chemical engineer/chemist in constructing something that works as abovementioned, also to innovate in terms of how to make things cost cheaper, less bulk, more reliable, and new way of doing things. Perhaps integrating other solutions in the market such as piezoelectric. Resourceful and able to work with diverse range of materials including carbon filters, plastic moldings, stainless steel fabrication, river sand, etc.

(3) Someone in the health/medical line, e.g.
- Doctor
- Nutritionist
- Final year/fresh graduate with a science degree that is qualified to comment on matters relating to the human body/health/nutrition

*To consult on the factual accuracy and validity of the ideas in relation to health and nutrition best standards, to play the devil's advocate. In future to serve as a qualified figurehead of the team as the 'health and nutrition/science' consultant.

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Looking forward to your replies and comments. Do refer a friend if you think he/she may be interested.  smile.gif

*distasteful comments will be deleted

Note: This piece of writeup is a work in progress, and I will edit it from time to time based on responses from fellow forumers.
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You can already buy a really cheap RO-based water filter, where's the market for this?

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post Oct 14 2015, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 14 2015, 01:37 PM)
I'm working for free too. You didn't read the word 'like-minded'?
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sure, but you are the leader/ultimate benefactor right?
Hope you find your wozniak.. Not everyone is as lucky as a Steve Jobs...
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post Oct 14 2015, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(the99percent1 @ Oct 14 2015, 01:44 PM)
sure, but you are the leader/ultimate benefactor right?
Hope you find your wozniak.. Not everyone is as lucky as a Steve Jobs...
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And you are ignorant in business. Who says I will be the ultimate benefactor? And which team doesn't need a team lead?
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post Oct 14 2015, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Oct 14 2015, 01:38 PM)
You can already buy a really cheap RO-based water filter, where's the market for this?
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There are some issues with RO-filters. We can make it better.

And it is not targeted for the lower end market, it's for the middle-upper who want premium water.

Or at least until technology costs get much cheaper, then it will be free for all.
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QUOTE(tagz8 @ Oct 14 2015, 01:48 PM)
There are some issues with RO-filters.


Such as?

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And it is not targeted for the lower end market, it's for the middle-upper who want premium water.


Some of those in the hypermarkets look pretty cheap to me.

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Or at least until technology costs get much cheaper, then it will be free for all.


You're a business grad and you're talking about things being free for all?

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