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 [OFFICIAL]Rig Suggestion Q&A Thread V10!

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post Feb 21 2016, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(walou @ Feb 21 2016, 01:00 PM)
Hi Guys

I have difficulties to choose which monitor suit me the best...

Below are my googling result for the monitor
1) AOC Monitor LED IPS 23' i2369VM
http://www.lelong.com.my/dell-monitor-led-...7-01-Sale-P.htm

2) DELL MONITOR LED IPS 23' S2316H
http://www.lelong.com.my/aoc-monitor-led-i...6-06-Sale-P.htm

Open to other better brands, model, experience and opinion.

My Spec
1) Budget - RM700 below
2) Purpose - Movies and gaming
3) Thin bazzel - optional
4) Response time 8ms below - my eye hard to see ghosting
5) prefer IPS
6) regular user, not die hard use g sync and etc...

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I will go for Dell S2316H.
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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 16 2016, 09:47 PM)
Pick Skylake platform and use the iGPU to play Dota 2 for the time being, the iGPU of Skylake (HD 530) is quite powerful, you should be able to get more than 45 FPS at medium settings (1080p).

Get a dedicated GPU when you have extra funds in the future.

Intel Core i3 6100 - RM 485
Gigabyte H110M-DS2 (D4) - RM 289
Kingston 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 196
FSP Hexa+ 550W - RM 188
Bitfenix Nova - RM 149

Total: RM 1307 (ETech price inclusive of GST)
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TQVM for your recommendation. I'm thinking of choosing 6th generation Intel which is skylake and that i3 6100 is enough for me. But in the meantime i'm not going to purchase all of the item. I need to buy one item per month because i've collecting my budget, and i'm not rushing to use it too. my last purchase will be my CPU.

Anyway Bitfenix Nova is out of my list because I've bought Armaggeddon Teratron T7 White - RM165.
FSP Hexa+ 550W is my next buy.
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post Feb 21 2016, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 20 2016, 09:48 AM)
For Windows OS license key, try to get OEM key to save money, around RM200+/-, or just get Windows 7 (even cheaper I think) and upgrade to Windows 10 for free. OEM key activation is permanently tied to the first activated mobo, so it is not transferable, if you think you will build another PC again and would like to reuse the key, please opt for retail key (more expensive).

Intel Core i3 6100 - RM 487
Gigabyte H110M-DS2 (D4) - RM 290
Corsair 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 200
Zotac GTX750Ti 1GB GDDR5 ZT-70702-10M - RM 499
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 215
Samsung DVD-RW SATA ODD - RM 62
FSP Hexa+ 550W - RM 189
Thermaltake Versa H25 - RM 180

Total: RM 2122 (Techview price inclusive of GST)

Add USB port? I think it should be enough, but if you want to use USB Hub extender then go ahead.
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i just check the prices for Win 7 and 10 OEM from some shops, all above RM400. cry.gif

for usb ports, i found out mobo has some ports too, so it is enough. sweat.gif
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post Feb 21 2016, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(szb @ Feb 21 2016, 05:30 PM)
i just check the prices for Win 7 and 10 OEM from some shops, all above RM400.  cry.gif

for usb ports, i found out mobo has some ports too, so it is enough.  sweat.gif
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Normal retail shop will sell at MSRP, that's why expensive.

If you want cheap license key, you can look for Garage Sales section, but you have to be careful and make sure it is legit before you make the payment.
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QUOTE(szb @ Feb 21 2016, 05:30 PM)
i just check the prices for Win 7 and 10 OEM from some shops, all above RM400.  cry.gif

for usb ports, i found out mobo has some ports too, so it is enough.  sweat.gif
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get it here

http://www.kinguin.net/


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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 21 2016, 05:38 PM)
Normal retail shop will sell at MSRP, that's why expensive.

If you want cheap license key, you can look for Garage Sales section, but you have to be careful and make sure it is legit before you make the payment.
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Have anyone bought from these guys before?
legit?

iampokemon win7 pro oem RM75
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3443547
ctlim1 - rm120 win7 pro oem
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3034728
jasonsuna1 ? price
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3617950
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post Feb 21 2016, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 21 2016, 03:09 PM)
You can overclock a locked Skylake CPU with Z170 via BCLK overclocking (provided you install the correct BIOS), but due to BCLK overclocking, it will mess up the RAM frequency also, so meaning you won't get 2666MHz (likely to be slightly lesser than actual clock speed).

Going from 2133MHz to 2666MHz is not worth, you won't notice the real life difference, you will only see improvements if you benchmark it.

I recommend you to go at least 3000MHz if you really want to have high frequency memory.
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so you can actually overclock a locked Skylake, but still, even after asking google for more information about BCLK overclocking, i cant understand that much sweat.gif , so, if someone is going to use the exact same spec as the one i mentioned before, should they get spec like this ?

Intel Core i7-6700
Asus H170M-Plus
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133mhz 8GB
Seagate 1TB HDD
Asus Strix GTX960 4GB GDDR5
Seasonic S12 620watts PSU

they can just replace with 2133mhz ram and H170 right ? will cut cost almost rm100+, or you have a better suggestion ?

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post Feb 21 2016, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(MagnificM @ Feb 21 2016, 06:16 PM)
so you can actually overclock a locked Skylake, but still, even after asking google for more information about BCLK overclocking, i cant understand that much  sweat.gif , so, if someone is going to use the exact same spec as the one i mentioned before, should they get spec like this ?

Intel Core i7-6700
Asus H170M-Plus
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133mhz 8GB
Seagate 1TB HDD
Asus Strix  GTX960 4GB GDDR5
Seasonic S12 620watts PSU

they can just replace with 2133mhz ram and H170 right ? will cut cost almost rm100+, or you have a better suggestion ?
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That mobo is overpriced, mATX form factor at > RM 500, you can get Gigabyte H170-HD3 at less than RM 500 and it is ATX form factor.

And as for RAM, if you are staying at the base clock of DDR4 (2133MHz), no need to spend money and get high performance RAM, just get value RAM will do, the performance difference is too tiny to notice.

And for GPU part, how much is that 4GB GTX960? The R9 380 4GB is more powerful than it and is just around RM 1000.
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post Feb 21 2016, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 21 2016, 06:24 PM)
That mobo is overpriced, mATX form factor at > RM 500, you can get Gigabyte H170-HD3 at less than RM 500 and it is ATX form factor.

And as for RAM, if you are staying at the base clock of DDR4 (2133MHz), no need to spend money and get high performance RAM, just get value RAM will do, the performance difference is too tiny to notice.

And for GPU part, how much is that 4GB GTX960? The R9 380 4GB is more powerful than it and is just around RM 1000.
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noted on RAM, for the GPU 4GB GTX960 is RM1099, as for the R9 380 4GB, a lot of my friends advice to avoid AMD GPU, i dont know why is it, what i know is, the differences between NVIDIA and AMD is power consumption and the temperature (correct me if i'm wrong)
well if you can explain more on these GPU sure will help a lot biggrin.gif
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post Feb 21 2016, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 19 2016, 08:46 PM)
The games you listed aren't hardware demanding so the spec below is more than enough (unless you plan to play other triple A titles).

Intel Core i3 6100 - RM 487
Gigabyte H110M-DS2 (D4) - RM 290
Corsair 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 200
Palit GTX950 2GB GDDR5 StormX - RM 699
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 215
FSP Hexa+ 550W - RM 189
Thermaltake Versa H25 - RM 180

Total: RM 2260 (Techview price inclusive of GST)
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how much do i need to top up if i plan to play triple A games? a few hundreds or over 1,000? hmm.gif
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post Feb 21 2016, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(MagnificM @ Feb 21 2016, 06:41 PM)
noted on RAM, for the GPU 4GB GTX960 is RM1099, as for the R9 380 4GB, a lot of my friends advice to avoid AMD GPU, i dont know why is it, what i know is, the differences between NVIDIA and AMD is power consumption and the temperature (correct me if i'm wrong)
well if you can explain more on these GPU sure will help a lot  biggrin.gif
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You should ask them why they advice you to avoid AMD card, if they cannot give a reasonable reason, then fanboy detected laugh.gif

Normally I will suggest people to go for Nvidia path due to lower power consumption so they can pair with cheaper PSU (if budget is low), but since you have a decent Seasonic PSU in your buying list, so I was thinking to promote R9 380 which is more powerful than GTX960 at same price point.

And yes AMD card consumes more power and temperature is slightly higher than Nvidia card, but in 300 series, they improved a lot and closed up the gap by quite a significant margin.

Choice is yours, if you happen to play Nvidia GameWorks titles a lot or need CUDA technology, then go for GTX960 path nod.gif
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QUOTE(szb @ Feb 21 2016, 07:02 PM)
how much do i need to top up if i plan to play triple A games? a few hundreds or over 1,000?  hmm.gif
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The current setup is still able to run triple A games, you just need to tolerate with lower graphics settings in order to have higher frame rate in game.

If you can top up your budget, opt for i5 6400 (+ RM 300) and GTX960/R9 380 (+ RM 250+/-).
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hi terence, what is the best GTX 960 4GB below 1k or about RM900? is the extra 2GB really worth it for 960? thanks.
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QUOTE(svfn @ Feb 21 2016, 09:07 PM)
hi terence, what is the best GTX 960 4GB below 1k or about RM900? is the extra 2GB really worth it for 960? thanks.
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You can find Gigabyte GTX960 4GB WindForce here or Asus GTX960 4GB Turbo here.

If you only play Dota 2/CS:GO or other casual games then 2GB is enough, the extra 2GB is useful only when the game you play utilizes more than 2GB VRAM like GTA V, The Witcher 3 and other triple A titles.
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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 21 2016, 08:06 PM)
You should ask them why they advice you to avoid AMD card, if they cannot give a reasonable reason, then fanboy detected  laugh.gif

Normally I will suggest people to go for Nvidia path due to lower power consumption so they can pair with cheaper PSU (if budget is low), but since you have a decent Seasonic PSU in your buying list, so I was thinking to promote R9 380 which is more powerful than GTX960 at same price point.

And yes AMD card consumes more power and temperature is slightly higher than Nvidia card, but in 300 series, they improved a lot and closed up the gap by quite a significant margin.

Choice is yours, if you happen to play Nvidia GameWorks titles a lot or need CUDA technology, then go for GTX960 path  nod.gif
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so, both GPU will differ even in games ? so if we're going to play more Nvidia GameWorks, does AMD GPU will reduce the performance and vice versa for Nvida GPU ? if it give a margin different, then i'm sure going for R9 380, if not, ill just go with GTX960, but i do check some reviews that GTX960 4GB doesn't have that much power to use that 4GB Vram compared to R9 380, is it true ? how about rendering performance ? are they on the same par ? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(MagnificM @ Feb 21 2016, 10:26 PM)
so, both GPU will differ even in games ? so if we're going to play more Nvidia GameWorks, does AMD GPU will reduce the performance and vice versa for Nvida GPU ? if it give a margin different, then i'm sure going for R9 380, if not, ill just go with GTX960, but i do check some reviews that GTX960 4GB doesn't have that much power to use that 4GB Vram compared to R9 380, is it true ? how about rendering performance ? are they on the same par ?  hmm.gif
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Some games separate the GameWorks settings from other graphics settings, which you can completely disable them in game, some don't. If the game is optimized for both Nvidia and AMD cards, then R9 380 will yield higher frame rate, the difference is not huge but it is significant enough to bring you to a more stable 60 FPS.

GTX960/R9 380 is a mid end GPU which means we normally won't be able to max out all the graphics settings especially texture and environment settings, so VRAM usage won't be close to 4GB, 2-3GB is the most common usage pattern for this GPU category.

As for rendering, it depends on the software, if the software doesn't utilize GPU technology such as CUDA/OpenCL when rendering then you won't benefit from either one.
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Yo, I want to buy/upgrade a gaming pc, need sifus to recommend the specs, I want my pc can play latest games like Witcher 3, Tomb Raider etc.. at 1080p max settings, around 60fps. Dont want go below 50fps.

[Budget] 3.5k - 4k max? If below would be better, dont want spend a lot

[Purpose] Gaming

[Hardwares reuse] Not sure, this is my current PC

i5 3470
msi b54ma-p45
2GB*4 ddr3 ram 1333
sapphire hd 7870 xt 2GB
Enermax Naxn 550w
2*500GB WD caviar blue
cooler master k280 case

[Monitor resolution] 1080p

[Games & softwares that use frequently] Dota 2, CSGO, Dying Light, Witcher 3, Skyrim, Tomb Raider, GTAV, Mozilla Firefox

[Personal preference] Anything can

[Location] Selangor



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QUOTE(canf95 @ Feb 21 2016, 11:32 PM)
Yo, I want to buy/upgrade a gaming pc, need sifus to recommend the specs, I want my pc can play latest games like Witcher 3, Tomb Raider etc.. at 1080p max settings, around 60fps. Dont want go below 50fps.

[Budget] 3.5k - 4k max? If below would be better, dont want spend a lot

[Purpose] Gaming

[Hardwares reuse] Not sure, this is my current PC 

i5 3470
msi b54ma-p45
2GB*4 ddr3 ram 1333
sapphire hd 7870 xt 2GB
Enermax Naxn 550w
2*500GB WD caviar blue
cooler master k280 case

[Monitor resolution] 1080p

[Games & softwares that use frequently] Dota 2, CSGO, Dying Light, Witcher 3, Skyrim, Tomb Raider, GTAV, Mozilla Firefox

[Personal preference] Anything can

[Location] Selangor
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Max settings include max AA and GameWorks settings? If yes then you need the highest end card like GTX980Ti/Titan X, Rise of the Tomb Raider is an example, if you want to max it out with max AA then you seriously need to invest in GTX980Ti, even it is only for 1080p screen, the famous GTX970/R9 390 can only produce 40 FPS (average) with all settings maxed out.

CPU is still good for modern games, so you can just upgrade GPU and PSU if needed.

And yea your budget can fit a GTX980Ti, but the question is "is it worth to spend so much?", well I will suggest you to hold on and wait for next gen GPU (Pascal and Polaris) first before upgrading your rig.
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hi everyone, want to ask...Rm1200 can get skylake proc, mobo n ram?
usage for modern gaming
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QUOTE(pjsplayez @ Feb 22 2016, 12:08 AM)
hi everyone, want to ask...Rm1200 can get skylake proc, mobo n ram?
usage for modern gaming
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Roughly can get i5 with B150 and 8GB combo.

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