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MagnificM
post Feb 16 2016, 11:52 PM

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Hi guys, need to build a workstation/gaming rig with 2 different budget here

Budget : 4k and 2.5k ( include with monitor, keyboard sweat.gif )

Purpose : Workstation(Rendering) and Light gaming

Hardwares that will be reused : mouse

Monitor resolution : 1080p preferably

Games & Softwares : AutoCad, Sketchup, Photoshop

Personal preferences : maybe need at least i5 processor

Location : Penang
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post Feb 17 2016, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 17 2016, 08:45 AM)
So you want to build a rig, with 2 options? One is 4k and another one is 2.5k? Am I correct?

Intel Core i7 6700 - RM 1318
MSI B150M Bazooka D4 - RM 399
Kingston 16GB (8GB x 2) DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 392
Zotac GTX750TI 2GB GDDR5 ZT-70605-10M - RM 509
Kingston HyperX Fury 120GB SSD - RM 209
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 215
FSP Hexa+ 550W - RM 188
Bitfenix Nova - RM 149
Logitech MK200 Wired Combo - RM 63
Dell S2316H - RM 657

Total: RM 4099 (ETech price inclusive of GST)

Intel Core i5 6400 - RM 779
Gigabyte H110M-DS2 (D4) - RM 289
Kingston 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 196
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 215
FSP Hexa+ 400W - RM 145
Bitfenix Nova - RM 149
Logitech MK200 Wired Combo - RM 63
Dell S2316H - RM 657

Total: RM 2493 (ETech price inclusive of GST)
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yes you're correct, well, it seems that the 2.5k doesnt have gpu. Will it affect the usage of software as mentioned in my post before, and for the 4k, what is the differences in performance between GTX750TI and GTX960 ? sorry for noob question, kinda blurr here
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post Feb 17 2016, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 17 2016, 11:19 AM)
2.5k option has iGPU which is HD 530 (almost equivalent to R7 250/GT 740), suitable for light and casual gaming.

Some rendering software will utilize the CUDA technology of Nvidia GPU if available as hardware acceleration, if you don't have any compatible GPU, the software will still work as intended, just the operation time might take longer to complete.

GTX960 is almost twice the performance of GTX750Ti, if you aren't playing graphical demanding games then GTX750Ti is enough (i.e. Dota 2/CSGO etc.).
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TQVM for the explanation, it seems that my friend is not a big fan of high graphic games for 4k budget and 2.5k budget can get a GPU later on.And another question, what if the budget is used for a pure workstation, what is the specification for both 4 and 2.5k budget sweat.gif
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post Feb 17 2016, 02:01 PM

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ok, one last question biggrin.gif , is it possible to put an i7 with a gtx970 with a budget 4-5k ?
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post Feb 18 2016, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 17 2016, 02:22 PM)
Yep, you can.

Intel Core i7 6700 - RM 1318
MSI B150M Bazooka D4 - RM 399
Kingston 16GB (8GB x 2) DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 392
Zotac GTX970 4GB GDDR5 ZT-90101-10P - RM 1457
Kingston HyperX Fury 120GB SSD - RM 209
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 215
FSP Hexa+ 550W - RM 188
Bitfenix Nova - RM 149
Logitech MK200 Wired Combo - RM 63
Dell S2316H - RM 657

Total: RM 5047 (ETech price inclusive of GST)
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TQVM for the suggestions, anything ill ask again thumbup.gif
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post Feb 21 2016, 03:01 AM

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Hi guys, wanna ask whether this spec is worth the penny
This rig mainly used for rendering software, i do know that it is waste of money to use non-k proc in Z series mobo
but is it worth if we use this mobo to increase the speed of the ram as the base speed for the ram will be limit to 2133mhz
sorry for any wrong informations here sweat.gif

Intel Core i7-6700
Asus Z170M-Plus
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2666mhz 8GB
Seagate 1TB HDD
Asus Strix GTX960 4GB GDDR5
Seasonic S12 620watts PSU
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post Feb 21 2016, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 21 2016, 03:09 PM)
You can overclock a locked Skylake CPU with Z170 via BCLK overclocking (provided you install the correct BIOS), but due to BCLK overclocking, it will mess up the RAM frequency also, so meaning you won't get 2666MHz (likely to be slightly lesser than actual clock speed).

Going from 2133MHz to 2666MHz is not worth, you won't notice the real life difference, you will only see improvements if you benchmark it.

I recommend you to go at least 3000MHz if you really want to have high frequency memory.
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so you can actually overclock a locked Skylake, but still, even after asking google for more information about BCLK overclocking, i cant understand that much sweat.gif , so, if someone is going to use the exact same spec as the one i mentioned before, should they get spec like this ?

Intel Core i7-6700
Asus H170M-Plus
Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2133mhz 8GB
Seagate 1TB HDD
Asus Strix GTX960 4GB GDDR5
Seasonic S12 620watts PSU

they can just replace with 2133mhz ram and H170 right ? will cut cost almost rm100+, or you have a better suggestion ?

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post Feb 21 2016, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 21 2016, 06:24 PM)
That mobo is overpriced, mATX form factor at > RM 500, you can get Gigabyte H170-HD3 at less than RM 500 and it is ATX form factor.

And as for RAM, if you are staying at the base clock of DDR4 (2133MHz), no need to spend money and get high performance RAM, just get value RAM will do, the performance difference is too tiny to notice.

And for GPU part, how much is that 4GB GTX960? The R9 380 4GB is more powerful than it and is just around RM 1000.
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noted on RAM, for the GPU 4GB GTX960 is RM1099, as for the R9 380 4GB, a lot of my friends advice to avoid AMD GPU, i dont know why is it, what i know is, the differences between NVIDIA and AMD is power consumption and the temperature (correct me if i'm wrong)
well if you can explain more on these GPU sure will help a lot biggrin.gif
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post Feb 21 2016, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 21 2016, 08:06 PM)
You should ask them why they advice you to avoid AMD card, if they cannot give a reasonable reason, then fanboy detected  laugh.gif

Normally I will suggest people to go for Nvidia path due to lower power consumption so they can pair with cheaper PSU (if budget is low), but since you have a decent Seasonic PSU in your buying list, so I was thinking to promote R9 380 which is more powerful than GTX960 at same price point.

And yes AMD card consumes more power and temperature is slightly higher than Nvidia card, but in 300 series, they improved a lot and closed up the gap by quite a significant margin.

Choice is yours, if you happen to play Nvidia GameWorks titles a lot or need CUDA technology, then go for GTX960 path  nod.gif
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so, both GPU will differ even in games ? so if we're going to play more Nvidia GameWorks, does AMD GPU will reduce the performance and vice versa for Nvida GPU ? if it give a margin different, then i'm sure going for R9 380, if not, ill just go with GTX960, but i do check some reviews that GTX960 4GB doesn't have that much power to use that 4GB Vram compared to R9 380, is it true ? how about rendering performance ? are they on the same par ? hmm.gif
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post Feb 22 2016, 03:17 PM

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Budget : 6-7k
Purpose : Gaming
Hardware reuse : Keyboard and Mice
Monitor : Anything suitable with the spec
Games : AAA games
Personal reference : i7 + GTX980
Location : Penang

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post Feb 22 2016, 03:30 PM

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Budget : 6-7k
Purpose : Gaming
Hardware reuse : Keyboard and Mice
Monitor : Anything suitable with the spec
Games : AAA games
Personal reference : i7 + GTX980
Location : Penang

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post Feb 22 2016, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 22 2016, 04:49 PM)
Your budget can fit a GTX980Ti, which can be a little overkill for 1080p screen, but it is definitely able to max out all the games easily at such resolution for the time being.

Intel Core i7 6700 - RM 1317
Gigabyte H170-HD3 (D4) - RM 488
Corsair 16GB (8GB x 2) DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 400
Zotac GTX980Ti 6GB GDDR5 AMP - RM 2999
Kingston HyperX Fury 120GB SSD - RM 229
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 215
Seasonic M12II EVO 620W - RM 409
Thermaltake Versa H25 - RM 180
Dell S2316H - RM 669

Total: RM 6906 (Techview price inclusive of GST)

If you have extra funds later, upgrade to 1440p/4K or a G-Sync monitor then it would be perfect  nod.gif
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tqvm, sorry for the double post, accidentally post another one
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post Feb 25 2016, 11:54 AM

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may i know which gpu is better ?
Radeon R280 vs Asus GTX750Ti in term of performance and prices ?
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post Feb 25 2016, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 25 2016, 02:19 PM)
R9 280 is always better than GTX750Ti, even the weaker R9 270 is also faster than GTX750Ti.

If you want to buy GTX750Ti, don't look for Asus/Gigabyte, they are expensive, try looking for Zotac/Palit, especially those priced < RM 550.

PowerColor R9 270 is just RM 530.
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i seee, as they almost have the same price, which one should i go, R9 280 or GTX750Ti ?
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post Feb 25 2016, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 25 2016, 02:29 PM)
R9 280 without a doubt but R9 280's power consumption is much higher than GTX750Ti, so please ensure the PSU can support before making purchase.
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is 500+ is enough ? or should go for 600+ ?

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post Feb 25 2016, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 25 2016, 03:14 PM)
Which 500+? Not all 500W+ PSU are created equally.
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FSP+ Hexa 550W ? or you can suggest one ?

another question ? as i know, i7 6700 base clock speed is 3.4Ghz while i7 4790k is 4.0GHz, if i want to get a good one, which one should i go ? as i7 4790k is cheaper than i7 6700
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post Feb 25 2016, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 25 2016, 06:11 PM)
So you bought i7 6700K + GTX980Ti at last? Saw your signature update  drool.gif
Full load could draw nearly 270W, still ok but if you have extra money, go for something better, like Seasonic M12II EVO 620W.

i7 4790K is Haswell CPU (4th gen) so you need to get Haswell mobo, you can pair it with lower end H81/B85 without issue (some of them allow overclocking with BIOS update) and the RAM module will be the slightly slower DDR3.
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as rendering use cpu raw power, does that make i7 4790 is much better than i7 6700 ? coz most of the reviews i saw make more comparisons in term of gaming etc. The only downside of getting an i7 4790 is you cant use ddr4 ram is it ?
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post Feb 28 2016, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 28 2016, 05:37 PM)
i7 holds extra 4 threads (virtual cores), performance between i5 and i7 isn't big in gaming if the game isn't coded to use the extra threads of i7, but for workstation software, normally they take advantage of the extra threads.

Intel Core i7 6700 - RM 1328
Gigabyte H110M-DS2 (D4) - RM 289
Corsair 16GB (8GB x 2) DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 382
Zotac GTX750Ti 2GB GDDR5 ZT-70605-10M - RM 509
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 215
FSP Hexa+ 400W - RM 145
Bitfenix Nova - RM 149
BenQ GW2270 - RM 429

Total: RM 3446 (ETech price inclusive of GST)
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may i ask, which one is better for rendering software consider they use the same GPU

i7 + HDD
i5 + SSD

coz a friend of mine was recommended to get the i5 + SSD as the rendering speed is almost the same with i7 + HDD, or i7 will always be the best for rendering software ?
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post Feb 28 2016, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Feb 28 2016, 09:13 PM)
SSD improves rendering speed? It does speed up the booting speed of the rendering software but it doesn't help in improving the time needed to finish the render, it all depends on CPU and other parts (RAM, GPU etc.).

HDD is fast enough to load the necessary elements into the rendering software during the rendering process, no point getting a large SSD but being hold back by the CPU (not fast enough to process all the data transferred into the system, end up piling up in the RAM).

i7 is a better and safer pick.
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thx for the fact, as i dont know how to explain to him considering wrong facts that ive put on my reply before, haha, again, TQVM thumbup.gif
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post Feb 29 2016, 10:07 AM

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Can someone tell me, as ppl are saying that R9 390 is more powerful than GTX980 and have a bigger Vram with a cheaper price tag
but not so many ppl are getting R9 390 as their gpu and instead they get GTX980 as their GPU sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

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