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> All hell will break loose if vernacular schools sh, lets hear smart malays opinion here.

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post Sep 28 2015, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Sep 28 2015, 03:05 PM)
The best solution is this:

1. Build the single unified stream schools NOW with improved & superior education standards thats better than vernacular schools
2. Don't disturb or close the vernacular schools. Let them run as they are
3. Observe the results 10 years from now

I dare to bet rm100-rm1 vernacular schools will lose out from enrollment alone. You win you take rm100. I win i take rm1 only. Ada berani?
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I wanna improvised.
1. Follow IGCSE level. Already got international proven system. Dun re-invent the wheel.
2. English as the medium of instructions. BM compulsory. Mandarin/Tamil optional.
3. Gov guaranteed ALL RACISM IN SCHOOL TO BE SEVERELY DEALT WITH (not just transfer teacher to another school to keep terrorizing the neighbourhood).

Hell, i don't even mind paying good money like Private school if they do this.
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(our_team89 @ Sep 28 2015, 10:52 AM)
if really want to shut down vernacular school, they can do it, but all national schools must have mandarin, english, tamil n BM as compulsory subject but still keeping pendidikan islam as compulsory to muslim only n moral to non-muslim

for discipline part, teacher should be given permission to punish students if they do wrong n national school should adopt learning n teaching style from vernacular
kids nowadays become rude, uncivilized due to they think their rank are above teacher..no respect at all
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Only just noticed your post.

Pendidikan Moral is quite possibly the dumbest subject ever.

Whoever thought that morals can be taught by rote memorization followed by an examination is just doh.gif doh.gif .

Seriously? Who ever took it to heart? Anybody? Does anyone still remember what they were taught? Was anyone actually even paying attention aside from those students who like to chase perfect A results? Even for such students, can they still remember or has it all already been forgotten the moment the exam is over, simply because its all a lot of irrelevant bullshit.

We are all pretty much the product of our parent's upbringing. Moral Studies didn't make anyone have an epiphany or become better people. If our parents brought us up well, we stayed that way unless there was a corrupting influence (which Moral Studies talks about but has ZERO effect). The troublemakers in my school continued to be troublemakers despite 5 years learning Pendidikan Moral. Fat lot of good it did.

It also smacks of discrimination. Why are Muslim students exempt from Pendidikan Moral? I find the explanation that Religious Studies is enough to be discriminatory. It basically implies that the other religions don't have proper morals compared to Islam.

If we're going to teach something like this, it should be done like Japan. Mandatory social studies for all.

This post has been edited by arubin: Sep 28 2015, 03:12 PM
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:10 PM

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Copy and paste Singapore education

Problem solved
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:10 PM


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QUOTE(bai1101 @ Sep 28 2015, 02:56 PM)
And one more thing that cause our education bull shit is every time there change the fcking education Minister there r changing the syllabus instead of improving it.
It is like every 3~5 year teacher had to used fcking new system and throw the old one to the drain.
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I concur.
Who the hell is the education minister? What qualification he/she has to hold that post?

Education should be free of politics.
Ideally the ones that should make decisions in education should comprise of a board of teachers, principles, parents, and representive of student and university graduates.
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(seijiseimura84 @ Sep 28 2015, 03:02 PM)
Its not about sacrifice
Its all about working on together
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sacrifice quality, work together forever as kuli right?
who can support racist aka master/serf agenda..?
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Sep 28 2015, 02:57 PM)
I am from the national school and during my time, English was the medium of instruction.

When we graduated and started working, we were laughing at those from the Chinese schools who were having problems conversing in English.

Now, 99% of the Chinese will enrol their children in Chinese schools due to the extreme quality difference.

Even when you close vernacular schools, the majority will opt for international schools though it will be more expensive. Many will be able to find a way to pay for it by working harder and later opt for sg.
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yes thumbup.gif , i believe many non-bumi parents will do so...work harder for international schools then, if can afford, boarding school so long that our kids need not go thru the ugly quota(s)..

this land is not for our next generation, let it just be our (old generation) burial ground ba!!

ape lu mau di buli-buli lagi, keluar ba
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:12 PM

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also better dont seperates class of smart and poor student put them together so smart can learn from poor student and poor student can teach smart student
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Sep 28 2015, 03:01 PM)
Chinese Independant School....it's like Devil May Cry on INSANE LEVEL. If your kid not the study/genius type, go there, sure die.
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Ya i know that.

Their ad math r uni level, 5k year of China history. World geography.

My self from teknik school take 10 subject on spm also Wanna cry i can't imagine themselves take like 20 plus subject for spm + their own exam
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:13 PM

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go to the High Performance Schools lah, and get the top tier. Sure happy, no need to bother SJ or not. But getting in is not easy
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Sep 28 2015, 03:02 PM)
Me Me Banana! Banana! LOL. Well, i know Canto, only half Banana. But i do know many SK friends also send all their kids to SRJK.
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can you read/write mandarin? no? then you're still a whole banana! not a halfling! lols
me oso canto at first but only start learn speaking mandarin from secondary school onwards. read/write still tabouli.

i oso wanted my kids to go SK if possible so i can be involved with them in their studies. if send them to SJKC, damn, like diff channel lah! chicken and duck talk. but then again, reason and logic have to be placed above all compared to sentiments if you want what's good for them (which parents doesnt?)

The SK in my town are producing rubbish, that eventually goes to the secondary school in my town that is one of the lousiest in Klang district. Gotta send my kids far far away for better environment.
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(our_team89 @ Sep 28 2015, 10:52 AM)
if really want to shut down vernacular school, they can do it, but all national schools must have mandarin, english, tamil n BM as compulsory subject but still keeping pendidikan islam as compulsory to muslim only n moral to non-muslim

for discipline part, teacher should be given permission to punish students if they do wrong n national school should adopt learning n teaching style from vernacular
kids nowadays become rude, uncivilized due to they think their rank are above teacher..no respect at all
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I'm rooting this all the way and heck yeah it goes the same for SMKA as well. All must go!
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(vincentwmh @ Sep 28 2015, 03:11 PM)
yes  thumbup.gif , i believe many non-bumi parents will do so...work harder for international schools then, if can afford, boarding school so long that our kids need not go thru the ugly quota(s)..

this land is not for our next generation, let it just be our (old generation) burial ground ba!!

ape lu mau di buli-buli lagi, keluar ba
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yep, even if we cannot keluar, have to make sure next gen can keluar.
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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Sep 28 2015, 03:14 PM)
I'm rooting this all the way and heck yeah it goes the same for SMKA as well. All must go!
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FYI
"national schools must have mandarin, english, tamil n BM as compulsory subject but still keeping pendidikan islam as compulsory to muslim only n moral to non-muslim"
"for discipline part, teacher should be given permission to punish students"

This is basically how it is in SJKC, except the tamil part. So what you guys are proposing is basically turning all schools to SJKC with the addition of tamil as a compulsory subject
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(Matrix @ Sep 28 2015, 03:15 PM)
yep, even if we cannot keluar, have to make sure next gen can keluar.
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work on becoming rich so that your next generation can finally keluar.
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ Sep 28 2015, 03:16 PM)
FYI
"national schools must have mandarin, english, tamil n BM as compulsory subject but still keeping pendidikan islam as compulsory to muslim only n moral to non-muslim"
"for discipline part, teacher should be given permission to punish students"

This is basically how it is in SJKC, except the tamil part. So what you guys are proposing is basically turning all schools to SJKC with the addition of tamil as a compulsory subject
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So then it's not a problem if SJKC is absorbed into this new module of National School right?
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(AxeFire @ Sep 28 2015, 03:10 PM)
Copy and paste Singapore education

Problem solved
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are they willing to live, earn, play, eat, drink etc solely based on merit??? of not, still not solved rclxub.gif
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(AxeFire @ Sep 28 2015, 03:10 PM)
Copy and paste Singapore education

Problem solved
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you can copy the system & methodology, but u can never copy the people and its attitude.
remember Dasar Pandang Ke Timur? kononnya nak copy kerajinan org jepun? yeah u knew how it turn out now.

QUOTE(vincentwmh @ Sep 28 2015, 03:11 PM)
yes  thumbup.gif , i believe many non-bumi parents will do so...work harder for international schools then, if can afford, boarding school so long that our kids need not go thru the ugly quota(s)..

this land is not for our next generation, let it just be our (old generation) burial ground ba!!

ape lu mau di buli-buli lagi, keluar ba
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i have said this before, in 100-150years from now, the Cina/India/Lain2 will reduce down to an insignificant number that has no impact to this country at all. That time Msia is a goner.
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Sep 28 2015, 03:14 PM)
can you read/write mandarin? no? then you're still a whole banana! not a halfling! lols
me oso canto at first but only start learn speaking mandarin from secondary school onwards. read/write still tabouli.

i oso wanted my kids to go SK if possible so i can be involved with them in their studies. if send them to SJKC, damn, like diff channel lah! chicken and duck talk. but then again, reason and logic have to be placed above all compared to sentiments if you want what's good for them (which parents doesnt?)

The SK in my town are producing rubbish, that eventually goes to the secondary school in my town that is one of the lousiest in Klang district. Gotta send my kids far far away for better environment.
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Wei! You wanna challenge Maruah banana??? Jangan cabar! Banana bangkit! Bangkit!

My son goes to SJKC...ok lah, won't be chicken and duck talk, can teach him Bahasa and English. My wife from SJK, so can teach him Mandarin. So he speaks English with me and English/Mandarin with wife. I would like him to learn Canto as well, but time constraint simply doesn't allow so. So he just knows a bit of Canto. Learning 3 languages is difficult enough. Dialect , just let it be.

But the BM/Mandarin level nowadays..really insane...compared to what we study back then. Don't see reason to make it so hard. In the end, our generation BM also ok. But the English standard nowadays is so low compared to the BM/Mandarin level. So learning English outside is a must.

This post has been edited by Matrix: Sep 28 2015, 03:21 PM
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post Sep 28 2015, 03:20 PM

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Send to international school

Best investment

Got chance ur kid can meet krony kids like what happen to jho low

Its all about making connections

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QUOTE(MsGaijin @ Sep 28 2015, 03:18 PM)
So then it's not a problem if SJKC is absorbed into this new module of National School right?
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Depends on the details of course, but for the most part I'm not opposed to change if I think its a change for the better

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