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> All hell will break loose if vernacular schools sh, lets hear smart malays opinion here.

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post Sep 28 2015, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(pobox @ Sep 28 2015, 11:05 AM)
It's not about learning Mandarin anymore. The way the SJKC managing their school is very different. They maybe very annoying in asking for money every now and then, but they will ensure everything stays relevant to the latest development. That's what make the difference.

Back in the 80's, SJKC and SK are both ok for the Chinese community. I have friends from SK that doesn't read Chinese. My wife couldn't even speak Mandarin. But my generation now is either sending their kids to private (international) or Chinese school. No one is sending their kids to SK anymore.
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Exactly. I dun read/write Mandarin either. Vernacular schools has nothing to do with racial dis-unity. It's the biased racist goverment who is screwing everything up, and then blame vernacular schools. Just like they blame all failures on DAP/Cina/Yahoodee/Kpop. Easy target.

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post Sep 28 2015, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Sep 28 2015, 11:26 AM)
I came from SK, and i saw with my own eyes the decline of the general quality and standards.
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Same here. SK school either lack management or lack teachers...my niece SK secondary school....SPM year...teacher dunno go maternity for months, ZERO replacement teacher. In the end have to take tuition outside to continue study!!! WTF!!! and this is not ulu school...School in PJ somemore.

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post Sep 28 2015, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(ohman @ Sep 28 2015, 11:55 AM)
Red shirt all from sjkc?
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post Sep 28 2015, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(nabelon @ Sep 28 2015, 11:57 AM)
Probably came from sk school.with all malay students. The result of neighbouring vernacular school absorbing  other races in the vicinity.
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post Sep 28 2015, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Sep 28 2015, 11:45 AM)
dont really understand the fuss about abolishment of such schools, why not? and along the way also abolish religious schools, quota system and what ever system that restricts one race to another.

my only worry is that for srjk ©'s in particular, their funding and environment is miles and eons better than anything the government can put up over its years. the facilities they have can tapau anything the government has in their own schools, whatever that is working there is good and needs to be replicated into other schools.

but i do note the point that people argue, demographics from some areas will result to the same issue to arise. how true is that tho, remains to be seen.
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This is only true for rich areas like PJ coz parents are rich (not me ok, i tumpang leeching..). Those ulu places are pathetic....remember there's one case..one chinese teacher dropped from 1st floor and die because the wooden floor broke and gave way.
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post Sep 28 2015, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(ohman @ Sep 28 2015, 11:59 AM)
Racists in this thread thought textbook in sjkc are from china?

You idiots from which school?

Text book all same like sk just in different llanguage.  Yes. Ah chong ali abu muthu in the text book.

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Yep..lots of idiots think people learn Romance of the 3 kingdoms in SRJK.
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post Sep 28 2015, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(neoexcaliber @ Sep 28 2015, 11:57 AM)
Abolish all schools and start from scratch.
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If SK changed to international standard like IGSE, everything taught in Engrand,with options for secondary languages and standard like International School. BM be made a compulsory subject and a choice of another language (Mandarin/Tamil/French/whatever). Hell, i totally support abort all SRJK.

But hahaha...i can dream.
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post Sep 28 2015, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(andrewhtf @ Sep 28 2015, 12:04 PM)
no way man. definitely you paid, it's only u realise or not. "computer fees", "ko-kurikulum fees", etc any other name but it costs more than what you would otherwise pay in SK. also let's not forget the half-yearly "donation cards" that teachers tell students to bring home to collect from family members. got minimum amount somemore!

plus, it also depends on your location mah. if i am gonna admit my dotter into this 2 sjkc in my ulu town, very minimal "donations" needed.
but if imma gonna admit her ininto any sjkc in Klang town, in Puchong, in Subang Jaya or PJ - i better start selling my buttocks.
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Not so serious lah.

Yah, the computer class memang bodoh. Waste of money, no choice, otherwise your kid go where during that class? Additional stuff, maybe subscribe to some kids magazine..ok lah, good also like "Young Scientist". Donations yearly, small donation can lah. RM100 etc per year. My kid school there got rich parents. No worries. We leech from them...brows.gif
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post Sep 28 2015, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Sep 28 2015, 12:12 PM)
A LOT OF NONSENSE TLDR
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Please learn to use quote properly. Mata sakit tengok. TLDR.
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post Sep 28 2015, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Sep 28 2015, 11:08 AM)
In the eighties n early nineties, I was enrolled into national school. There were substantial non Malays in national schools that time coz the standard were perceived to be equal or just slightly inferior to vernacular schools.

Its not the vernacular schools are breeding racists, or non Malays just 'suddenly' decide to send their children to vernacular schools. Its not surprising if some Malays think this is a form of non malay rebellion against national unity.

It it the dropping standards of our national schools, creeping islamization, and yes, racism in our national schools. Used to be, teachers are racially mixed and teach because they want to impart knowledge. Nowadays, ppl work as teachers because they can't find other jobs. How to be a good teacher like that? What knowledge and attitude can they impart to the students? Compare that against vernacular school teachers. Do you know their performance are constantly reviewed? If the teacher can't perform, out you go.

Contrast that with our national school teachers. What happened to the racist female teacher in namewee's song? What happened to the teachers involved in the bulan puasa makan tandas fiasco?

You want vernacular schools to die off? Easy. Increase the national schools standard. Hire only dedicated teachers who teach coz they want to teach, not teach coz they can't find any other job (now this is a sweeping statement, i am sure there are teachers who are dedicated, but I leave it to you guys to see with your own eyes how is it with the national school teachers, what's the ratio between dedicated vs just teach just for sake of working). And leave racism out of national schools.

If national schools can produce BETTER quality students than vernacular schools, you don't need to shout close them, they will close themselves due to low enrollment.

Rather than close vernacular schools now and hope to fix the national school later, fix the national schools FIRST ffs!
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Well said. This pretty much sums it up. Yet some idiots have to come out with political motives and "national unity" rubbish. There is a few reason i sent my kid to vernacular schools.
1) Better standards (perceived or otherwise)
2) Avoid creeping islamization and RACISM...by the teachers themselves who supposely protect the students. I want my kid to learn in a safe environment. Just don't feel safe with all the SK fiasco nowadays.
3) Learn the Mandarin language.
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post Sep 28 2015, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(Ichibanichi @ Sep 28 2015, 12:16 PM)
U can continue dreaming even reaching the day u forever dreaming stage.

The flip flop of using england in science and maths already shown current gomen only penny wise pound foolish mentality.

Everyday want cukur but kill off the hope of next generation.
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yah, not gonna happen..deswei looking into International schools now for my kid...at least maybe private school. But i tulan my kid have to spent all those time to learn a language(BM) in a country which is turning ever racist and hostile towards the non-malays. In the end, the end-game plan is to exit this country for my kid. So BM is not so important. (Melei pls dun butthurt ok, i am just being pratical). I rather he focus to strengthen his English and Mandarin as a 2nd language.

Lots of chinese parents sent their kids overseas...if possible, ask them not to come back if can settle there.
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post Sep 28 2015, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Sep 28 2015, 12:35 PM)
Nop
Yes, thats what im referring too.

I want the new unified school system to be race neutral with better educatiob syllabus, better yet, make it compulsory for all malaysian to learn bm, chineese, indian and English language.

So that we all have the advantage of communicating with each other better.
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Not sure you gila or bodoh or what...

learning 3 languages is already a freaking hard time. Not all kids are genius. Most country they learn 1 or 2 languages. Now you want them to learn 4. Use brain lah. You must not have a kid yet. Otherwise you won't say such brainless statement.
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post Sep 28 2015, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(estcin @ Sep 28 2015, 12:38 PM)
Moral studies should be replaced with Chinese or Tamil. Moral studies is a useless subject. A person who scores A doesnt mean he has high moral values and vice versa. Moral values should be instilled by all teachers regardless of subject
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This is basically another subject to strengthen the language (Mandarin/Tamil etc). I think it's ok. No conflict.
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post Sep 28 2015, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Sep 28 2015, 02:03 PM)
Thats a false dichotomy, unity and fairness is two separate entity altogether.

U are talking a different issue altogether.

If you are saying unfairness are one of the cause od disunity then i agree with u, but the issue we are talking here in this thread is about making schools to have similar and unified syllabus with no race specific enrollment criteria.

So I would go for that, one syllabus, one school system with unified teaching mechnism that comprises of all existing schools into one type of school.

An environment where all race will work together, eat together, live together, and learn together as a unified team.

Speaks the same language, able to communicate better, and respect each other differences.

It will be much better than just race specific curriculum and language environment.

U want unity and equality, this new school will be the bluprint of new Malaysian.
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Dude, not sure you're trolling, dreaming or what...enuff lah.

1) There is no race specific enrollment criteria. Anyone can study at SRJK. How many times need to tell you???
2) We don't have the quality teachers with integrity to do all the things you mentioned, thanks to our gov.
2) The rest no need to say because not gonna happen.

btw, pls STFU lah...many came from SK here, like myself. Unity??? LOL. Phailed objective. How can one claim unity when one is opppressed and insulted on a daily basis by the Gov, Utusan and Mazlan 3.85??

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post Sep 28 2015, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(Clement1001 @ Sep 28 2015, 02:22 PM)
Join in SK for the sake of unity , then come to local U, all seperated due to some racial committes, after U then racial party. Back to square one.
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EXACTLY!!! Buat apa unity kecil-kecil then bila besar kasi racist sama u kaw-kaw!!! Ini agenda 3.85!!!
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post Sep 28 2015, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Sep 28 2015, 02:24 PM)
This.

But u see all the Cainis in this forum is getting derailed.

Close SJKC = mempersuasui kan maruah cainis.

Want abolish tongkat, but dun wan abolish SJK. Deswai i see DAP as just as an opportunist.

Just change SJK to SKK (sekolah khas kebangsaan), also cant do it because why? because pride. Wat tok kok nonsense, u all are malaysian, be prideful lar of being malaysian.

Take this opportunity, push the one nation one race to the max.
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Farker...pls READ and UNDERSTAND. Almost everyone here is concerned about the education quality and racism factors. Not about maruah shits.

Onl=y Red Shirts monkey like you everyday wanna tok Maruah shit.
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post Sep 28 2015, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(LivingActive @ Sep 28 2015, 02:25 PM)
Want abolish tongkat, but dun wan abolish SJK.
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Nobody's tokking tongkat. Chinese no give fcuk about tongkat already. But red shirt will die without tongkat. whistling.gif
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post Sep 28 2015, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Sep 28 2015, 02:32 PM)
Who said BN ignore Vernacular schools?
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Obviously songlap case lah.... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Sep 28 2015, 02:35 PM)
Dunno but thats my ideal view for the new system.
Lol, i was referring to the enrollment system as a whole, that includes the sk and skjc skji whatever.

And im not saying current sk succeeded in promoting unity, im talking about a new unified national school with new education system and better learning experience.

And u people seems to have this idea that the govt will insist on leaving current schools to remain inefficient. For whatever unknown reason.

We still have the opportunity to design a better system, that is why I support for one unified schools, as long as they revamp the whole syllabus to create a better learning experience for the whole students.

This includes retraining the teachers, redesign school subject, giving additional options for chineese language or indian language etc.

Unlike most of k/ i am giving out solutions here rather than mindless bashing.

Haihhh...again, using one sentence to conclude the whole statement.
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Same answer. You are dreaming. NEXT!
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QUOTE(Exiled_Gundam @ Sep 28 2015, 02:37 PM)
You think you are the only one who got PCB'ed every month ka? Even govt servants also got taxed weh
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Yah...but overall, you know which race contributed the most to income tax, hmm?? Or just don't want to admit?

GST is made specifically to tax the Melei. Chinese no give fcuk, already get used to disadvantage. Cukur ada GST!!!

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