nice, no need stock up filter.

Do you know how about water dispenser ? As there is electrical component there also.

It is confusing...

Electrical cooled water dispensers are 84.18, which is 10%.

Water filter dispenser is 84.21, which is 0%.

So if your electrical dispenser includes a filter it falls under what? If your dispenser is not a cooler (has only hot function) it falls under what?

I would assume that pretty much everything, except maybe water coolers for bottles will fall under 84.21

But yes, I see how now it is easy to justify 10% increase on some items by just saying "it is 84.18"

This post has been edited by hestati: Aug 23 2018, 08:40 PM

Yes, the pre filter can be replace if really get clog for some places which water is really in bad condition. So there is not a problem.

Of course find some quality sand filter like those which can filter up to 10 micron to remove those unwanted sediments.

I believe it's a myth, sand filters cannot do 10 micron. It is written 10 micron, but realistically they can do 40. Unless there is something I missed and there is a very special media designed, but my guess is that it would cost an arm and a leg.

because to be honest, I am not sure if it is whole Asian or Malaysia only, but it is rare in the world to install sand filters as PoE. In both Americas (South and North) we used media filters only for special purposes, like for example iron filter or softener. The only place where media filters were used as sediment were swimming pools, but even there, as the cost of cartridges goes down, more and more are upgraded to cartridges.

Of course media filters are used in industry, but there too, their ability to filter sediment is just a by-product and they normally do something else (PH balancing etc).

Not saying sand PoE filter is bad, in fact can do few interesting things with it, like (again) solving iron issue where iron situation is very bad.

BTW, what is the micron rating for eSpring pre-filter?

This post has been edited by hestati: Aug 24 2018, 03:07 AM

bro hestati...what do u think of this korean made filter?

https://megabio.clickfunnels.com/20391061

Sand filter can do 10 micron this is true, btw how you justify them only can do 40 micron? There must be some prove right? Mayb u just missed out some. This water filter is come with five layers of media: coarse, medium and fine sand, garnet and zeolite. External Water Filter is assembled in Malaysia whereby the parts are from different countries:
1) Vessels are manufactured in India.
2) Coarse, Medium and Fine silica sands are from Malaysia.
3) Zeolite plus are imported from Australia.
4) Garnet is imported from United States.

How there gonna to be a myth?

Btw, eSpring pre-filter is 1 micron, water passes through the polypropylene non-woven Pleated Pre-Filter, removing the bigger particles such as sediments and turbidity down to 1 micron size.

This post has been edited by Ch33r: Aug 24 2018, 10:43 AM

I tried my best to search for some information about this filter, brand or any info at all and couldn't find it. Found US company with same name and slightly different logo based in San Diego.

Then, I noticed WQA logo on the cartridges, so I searched WQA, NSF and ANSI website, there was no information about this company or any certificates associated with this company.

Not sure if filters are made in S. Korea (notice how it says "MADE IN KOREA" and not S.Korea). To me, all that looks like Midea copycat.

The only other possibility I see if it is their in house brand, they buy dispenser from China and buy cartridges from S.Korea, then re-brand both cartridges and dispenser to this in house brand, but I wouldn't bet that it is the case, it is much simpler to just buy complete system from China.

There are plenty of "Korean" cartridges in the market, when you start searching any info, you cannot find the brand at all. I do not know whether it is Chinese cartridges or some OEM in Korea is making them and allowing everyone to use put their brand, but then they would never WQA certify it, no point.

If you're on Penang, maybe you can ask them what is that brand and where it comes from?

This post has been edited by hestati: Aug 24 2018, 02:53 PM

Sorry, I missed your message somehow.

The reason I'm saying that is because normally what I see is that finest silica sand particles used are 0.45mm and that is 500 microns. Of course particle size not equal to filtration size, but it is proportional. Now let's magnify it. Imagine we have a jar filled with balls of 500mm (that is 1/2 meter) in diameter. Will another ball of 10mm (just 1 cm) in diameter easily pass through? Yes. Will a 50mm ball easily pass through? Actually yes! However, of course sand particles are not perfect spheres and neither are dirt particles, so they create a slightly more fine mesh than actual balls would do, and these may hold 50mm (or in real life 50micron) particles. But still, expecting 500 micron particles to hold 10-20 micron particles is not realistic. This is why I say 40-50 micron at best.

But like I said, I am sure I haven't checked each and every single sand filter in Malaysia, maybe some use much finer particles, but all I found was 0.45 for finest sand.

Please understand that I'm not saying "absolutely impossible that they use even finer sand", what I'm saying is that with sand particles of 0.45mm you cannot realistically expect 10-20 micron filtration.

Ya, there are different type of sand filter over our country, that sand filter use five layer of different sand types which can filter up to 10 micron itself, but of course they still gt some sand filter which you mentioned before. There is possible to have those 10 micron filter, but then customer need to diffrentiate it if they really gonna install sand filter.

Do you know their particle sizes? Any brand I can research? I know it is 5 layers, but finest layer is 0.45mm.

I know you posted a picture above, but no brand on it.

hi.. you mentioned aquasana does not remove bacteria...

i thought cyst or MTBE things are bacteria? no? I'm not an expert and merely a user... please help enlighten us...

attached is the replacement filters for some aquasana countertop filters (which can also be found on aquasana website)


Attached File(s)
 AQ_4000_Performance_Data.pdf ( 48.32k ) Number of downloads: 10

Cyst are in fact micro organisms that are much larger in size than bacteria, therefore many small micron filters are able to remove cyst. MTBE is a chemical,,basically volatile compound, Methyl tert-butyl ether.

Then there are smaller bacteria (smaller than cyst) and even smaller viruses. Aquaphor, for instance, can remove bacteria, but not viruses. Disruptor/Lite for example can remove viruses, RO can, UV can (in theory).

Cyst is in fact 2 to 50 micron in size. Any filter with 0.5 to 1 micron absolute will be able to remove all cyst

This post has been edited by hestati: Aug 27 2018, 03:03 PM

aquaphor cannot remove viruses, is it safe to drink directly from the filter without boil?

In general, yes, because though the pores of the membrane are larger than viruses, it still stops significant numbers (but not 99.999%) of the viruses through the process of electrostatic interactions. Study showed that viruses are reduced by 40 times. Since we are talking about municipal treated water, it is pretty much safe to drink direct, since we don't normally get sick from just few virus body that make it through, it requires some critical number of them.

Now if your water is not municipal water, but well/surface water, then Aqauphor (or any UF filter) may not offer an adequate protection. Or if there is a large scale contamination of municipal water, more viruses may make it in your water. But we are talking about extreme cases. In normal cases, Aquaphor offers adequate protection.

One thing to consider though is that Aquaphor is less suitable to be used with dispensers with tanks, since all pathogenic viruses that made it through the membrane even in low quantities, are now free to grow and multiply in the tank, especially that no chlorine is present anymore.

Just saw this video in my FB... It is about Amway ESpring in China... Since I am half-banana , I am not really sure what they are talking about but from Google translation, it seems like bad news and something is wrong with the filter... Maybe someone who is fluent in Mandarin can watch the video and try to explain to us...
FB Video

This video is since 2014, and it already proven that the news is fake, the TV channel already made their apologize to the news that they report, and also teach consumers how to choose a good water filter.
Here are the proven, http://www.iqiyi.com/w_19rwg26y11.html

Some of the people just bought fake filter from people who sell on street especially in China, that's why the TV channel already make their correction. https://www.facebook.com/100011978287455/vi...?type=3&theater

This post has been edited by Ch33r: Aug 28 2018, 02:35 PM

yeah, my mom send me this too. then I forward to my Amway agent, he forward me another statement from HQ that is false news and taken down long ago.

I guess it will be soon a demand letter from company ask to taken down the news soon but oh well, is Facebook anyway.

Fake news, but damaged done, too bad. Now this video will circulate for years, being shared through facebook and whatsapp groups...