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This post has been edited by Ch33r: Sep 26 2017, 06:51 PM


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are those rm200-229 Panasonic filters good? how's the price of the filters?

or got better solution?

anyone managed to install big filters on apartments? do you install in your unit or near main pipe?

i know many folks here buy bulk filters direct from china.

the purpose just need to filter out unwanted particles, no need to be pure water.

here is filken company sent to me the link of cert

http://info.nsf.org/Certified/Common/Compa...icogram&x=0&y=0


now...how to check the contaminants which can filter by this brand???

Did they provides you the info that prove the filter can filter which kind of contaminants?

And from the info you give their filter is RO (Reverse Osmosis) water, and the at least basic NSF cert which is NSF/ANSI 42.

This post has been edited by Ch33r: Sep 27 2017, 09:48 AM


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Just a reminder, got NSF does not = the filter is very good. A cheap filter RM 400 also has NSF and AMWAY cost RM 3k+ also got NSF.
NSF only sets the minimum standards, that is why even a basic RM 400 filter can pass NSF

So, do not blindly trust the NSF logo. Some brands only submit for material compliance but also put the NSF logo on their filters.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Sep 27 2017, 11:19 AM

Most of the filter got at least the basic NSF cert which is 42 , if don't have, means maybe the quality of filter need to consider. Beside that, we still need to see other kind of cert to determine the filter. Normal filter pass the NSF 42 cert does not means it can compare to others , we still need to see other cert like below:

- Drinking Water System Components NSF/ANSI 61
- Drinking Water Treatment Chemicals NSF/ANSI 60
- Drinking Water Treatment Units NSF/ANSI 42, 44, 53, 55, 58, 62, 177, 401, NSF P231, P473, P477, NSF/JWPA P72, CSA B483.1, INMETRO
ABNT/NBR 16098

Consumer need to see and compare it. If a filter does not pass most of the NSF cert, they mostly cannot put the logo on their filter. Kindly remember, NSF/ANSI 42 is just a basic requirement for a basic filter , other than this we still need to see other cert that the filter have.

This post has been edited by Ch33r: Sep 27 2017, 11:49 AM

no...only provide the link

their filter is mild alkaline...not RO

how to check these others nsf cert beside 42???

Can check from the NSF International Website (The Public Health and Safety Organization), this is the link. http://www.nsf.org/certified-products-systems

Just key in the company that you wish to search for and it will show out the cert that the NSF give them.

give you some basic idea

42,53 ,55

42= clean waer color, taste ok
53= can filtered containment *
55= is uv light, deactivate the virus activity

especially 53, most of brand will put NSF logo with 53, but look carefully, inside nsf website, they clearly showed what kind of containment can be filter ?
is only VOC? heavy metal ? or over 120 containments?

some brand will do some marketing tricks, even part of filter/machine or only filter certain containment, they will also put NSF logo

so ask them to show u the 3rd party report, what containment they really can filtered.

Got NSF certification doesn't mean it is very good, if ones doesn't even comply NSF minimum requirement to be certified may be more worst. The basic standard 42 is very common among filters available.

What is NSF? Many people get confused about this, NSF not only certify water standards, it also certify and regulate a lot more products ranging from household to automotive to supplements & etc. It is to regulate it's compliance to health, safety & quality. You can search a lot more standards at below links.
http://www.nsf.org/certified-products-systems

It comes to end how many standards one filter can achieve or beyond the minimum requirements. A cheap 3M filter cost less than RM400 as it only get certified for only 1 standard. Some filters can cost more than 3K, check the facts that how many standards it complies?
You can't really compare a Proton Saga with a BMW 3 series, the safety, comfort, quality and so on are totally different.

If you see any filters that have NSF logo always check with NSF http://info.nsf.org/Certified/DWTU/
There are many filters that only put the logo as they want but not certified at all. Check for the filter full technical specs sheet, if one can't give you there must be something they hiding/not willing to let you know.

This post has been edited by oyching88: Sep 27 2017, 10:07 PM

how to check if water filter is Filken Pureal

http://picogram.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/picogram_4_en.pdf

Filken Pureal water purifier
- 3 Stages advance water filtration system
- Remove 99.9% bacteria and viruses in the water
- Mild alkaline water quality
- Slimmest design water purifier in market
- Best water quality, Modern Design
- tiada menggunakan elektrik **

hi, for those taps that has 2 output, 1 designed for filters with out to filter in from filter before the outlet, which type of water filter are suitable?

i think those normal Panasonic filter won't be able to tap the filtered water back because they are built to output the filtered water?

I don't see the word "Filken" in the brochure you showed.
Is picogram belongs to Filken? Or Filken is Picogram? The brochure shows Pureal brand, you might need to check with the company or do more research.
If Pureal is the brand, i can't find any NSF certification http://info.nsf.org/Certified/DWTU/Listing...ModlStd=ModlStd
If Picogram is the brand, from NSF http://info.nsf.org/Certified/Common/Compa...icogram&x=0&y=0

Do you mean something like this?

the one i see is like this but connected together. the small one is for filtered water and behind it got 2 holes 1 in 1 out to & from the filter.

however, i haven't seen water filters that is designed for that setup. maybe China got. but big brands like Panasonic all got their own outlet hose.

reason to use this is it's more convenient as you don't need to switch between non filter & filter water. just open whichever you want to use.

guys, if i got rm 2k to spent, planning on getting 1 with autowash function outdoor unit, and 1 to replace my indoor diamond machine, what would u recommend.

for my diamond, actually the machine still fine, but just the filter outdated i think, the agent are full with crooks with makes me really dont feel like deal with them anymore, is that possible i replace the diamond filter myself with third party product?

ok

another question is...this filter (pureal) didint use electric...come with 3 filter ...is ok to filter??? like outdoor unit???

I think he meant this type.

Most auto flush filters are membrane filters, u still need to do a manual backwash once a month. THere are also sand filters with backwash but gonna cost more than RM 2k and requires wiring not battery, membrane filter timer uses battery.

May be u can ask for trade in