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post Jun 5 2015, 11:40 AM, updated 10y ago

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Welcome to V10, dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

As in the spirit of V9 before, we are practicing to fellowship with one other as blood-washed, born-again, Spirit-filled Christians because we seek to give testimony to the unity of the Body of Christ. We welcome all believers, and we seek fellowship with them as our brothers and sisters in Christ. It is our sincere and earnest desire that the Lord's testimony on this earth may be spread and greatly strengthened in order that His Bride may be prepared for His soon return. May the Lord honor and vindicate His own work on this earth in these days.

As such, may the maxim holds true, "In essential unity, in non-essential liberty, and in all things charity".

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Few simple RULES to follow in our fellowship thread.

1. No flaming/troll post please. Let's keep this fellowship thread clean, positive and encouraging, as the purpose is more for believers of Christ.
2. Do not argue about other religions please. People of other Faith are welcome to ask and enquire genuine questions or out of curiosity about Christianity.
3. What's discussed in here, stays in here.

Previous Threads
V09
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3485130
V08
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3393815
V07
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3197598
V06
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...&t=2621686&st=0
V05
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1758395

Good links to share:
http://www.opensong.org/

Opensong!!! It uses your WinXP's extended screen on the projector. So you have your controls in your laptop, and the screen on the projector. It also supports Chinese, and has songs packs and bible verses too, so you can project those verses on screen.

http://www.guitar4christ.com
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/
a database of chords and lyrics for christian songs.

GodTV

http://www.god.tv/
Online Bibles!
English Bible (with multi lingual): http://www.biblegateway.com/

Indonesian/Malay Bible: http://alkitab.otak.info/

Arabic Bible: http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/doc_bible.htm
Dear Christians, please do let us know about u, like denominations, which church u r from and where is ur church located. Oh, beside that, do let us know what position are u holding in ur church, as in.. hmm pianist ? choral singer ? or even Pastor. tongue.gif

LYN Christ Followers List:
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(Please type in this template [so its easier for me to edit the list]: Username - Denomination | Church | Area Serve-in)
Either PM me or post to notify. But if after u've posted in this thread and I havent add u in the list, please PM me to notify me. Thanks. smile.gif

Christian Bookshops:
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post Jun 5 2015, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 5 2015, 01:21 PM)
hmm.gif quite odd, my church practices it or at least just the mission ministry practices this. My church quite big got 5000 members.

True, true..i pray by my own but i dunno why i like praying in a group. Is it more powerful when two or more come in Jesus name to pray? I can feel it, not to say i want to neglect personal prayer but I also want to pray in a group. I don't get this opportunity all the time as my cg doesn't meet every week and its not so easy to reveal your own personal stuff for people who know you to pray.

Therefore at times I call up prayer tower. However, there's this lady in the weekends when she hear my name, she will say "oh you again, with your same problem, what do you want me to pray?". Then she will try to pray at fast as possible and she misses many of my prayer points. She even say that my prayer request are not important, that there r more important people than me, for example, suicide people, people with marriage problems or people who are in hospital - terminally ill. Before i can even say goodbye after she pray for me, she slam the phone on me. But the rest of the intercessors are really great and encouraging, they really do a great work to encourage the people out there. I prefer to call during weekdays, the assortment of intercessors, they have different styles and they are really encouraging.

Its just that recently their leader came up with the new policy of advising their intercessors not to counsel. In essence, they lost what makes them set apart from Befrienders. Of course, i don't expect them to counsel, just at least show us their humanity side. They can comment a thing or two but it doesn't have to be a full counselling.
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Well, If led by the HS for an occasion, maybe but if you say it's a standard practise every time to plant scripture into the ground to make it more effective, I don't see how that is biblical. The word of God never says anything on that.

And about Prayer tower, got to let go and not take it personal.
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post Jun 5 2015, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 5 2015, 03:59 PM)
Sometime they practice it when they do prayer walk around an area...they also plant scriptures, it appear to be std practice as its part of the practice in my church's mission manual.
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Planting scriptures are spiritual heritage, similar to peter's handkerchief in Acts 19:12.

These spiritual heritage received from other senior leaders, or from HS directly. Similar to concept of anointing, from top to bottom. Top to bottom does not always represent hierarchy, but represent networking. from people to people.

these spiritual heritage to works, you need to believe 3 things:
1. GOD gaves instruction to leader to plant scriptures. Therefore the effects / benefits, usually works on jurisdiction / spiritual authority of the leader. Meaning, only in his church or his denomination or his group only.
2. Leader happily, proudly received the instruction and share with congregation.
3. congregation happily, proudly acknowledge that planting scripture is part of the calling for they church.

So, if you go to my church and tell everybody in my church to plant scriptures as part of evangelism, you missing the first 2 points. I hope you get better picture here biggrin.gif

But if you, independently, open your church or cell group, then you can tell your member to believe in scripture planting, because you are no 1, 2 and 3 in yourself. Your member should be no 3.

my case --
i have a lot of spiritual heritage that i received from many church denomination. e.g. planting scriptures, prosperity gospel, jobel declaration, bread / wine, etc..etc..
Now because i married, i gave all my spiritual heritage to my family. I tell my family please respect local church regulation because some of the spiritual heritage are not complying with local church regulation.

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 5 2015, 01:21 PM)
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"oh you again, with your same problem, what do you want me to pray?".
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 5 2015, 03:59 PM)
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i find difficulty because i encounter the same person who wants to speed track my prayer request, ending up only 2 out of 5 of myprayer request being prayed.
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The lady is not helping you because she generates negative energy, and you ended up bitter. Bitterness always multiplies negative energy. This time, bitterness comes from your "source of hope" which is prayer tower.

take a look at these verses about negative people:
http://www.openbible.info/topics/negative_people


About prayer mindset biggrin.gif

Mark 11:24
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

I have assumptions: you are focus on the lacking instead of believe you already received the answers. Question: Am I correct ? brows.gif

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 5 2015, 01:28 PM)
Wah 1974, i haven't even born yet too. Anyways back in the late 1980s and early 1990s dungeons and dragons were very popular, me and my mates used to play it. Its basically a manual that have all the rules about the dragons, beast, monsters, warriors, dwarfs, magicians, etc etc. You get to choose who you want to be, then there's like hit points..shield...rolling of dice. Then there's the dungeon master, who designs the layout of the quest. He draw the map and put the monsters and traps at places for us players to play.

Yeah, i mean its basically, very raw...back in those days when we kids play games, we had to do a lot of things by ourselves. Today, they do everything for you, you got graphics nintendo and can play online with strangers on other side of the world...like world of warcraft.

Well can't really say women are lazy. My mom had a tough job raising me. She was working and raise me at same time. Back in the day of our parents, cost of living was low, only the father can be the breadwinner and the mother can stay at home and tend to the kids. Today, moms want more freedom in life and can choose the option of being a mother and career. Because of lack of time and demands of career, the mom have to hire maids.
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LOL. Sound geeky. tongue.gif

Those days the computers are huge! shocking.gif

Well not all women are lazy. tongue.gif

Well, I managed my time quite well, ie, doing my work, cooking, exercising, etc...

All about time management and discipline.

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Yah number 10!

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Going to watch Insidious Chapter 3. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 6 2015, 03:41 PM)
Hey wait a sec? Prosperity gospel? Are you from New Creation Church? They the only one that teaches that.
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no i am not, but if i am in singapore, i will attend smile.gif

btw: my resources about prosperity gospel is below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_of_Faith

some churches in malaysia agree with what it teaches in essence.

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post Jun 7 2015, 01:38 PM

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Christ did not come only for redemption

Christ did not come only for redemption. In the Gospel of John 10:10, the Lord Himself says: "I have come that they may have life and may have it abundantly." This was the further purpose of Christ's coming.

The first chapter tells us that in the beginning Christ was the very God, but He became flesh to be the Lamb of God to redeem us. However, redemption is not the goal. It is only a procedure for the goal.

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The goal is that we may have life. For this purpose, Christ took two steps. The first step was to become flesh so that He might be the Lamb of God for redemption, but since He could not be life to us simply as the Lamb of God in the flesh, there was the need of another step. After accomplishing redemption, He took the further step to become the Spirit who gives life (1 Cor. 15:45b; 2 Cor. 3:6, 17).


How could Christ give us life and be life to us? It is by means of another step. After being crucified, He was laid in a tomb, and then He resurrected from the dead. In this resurrection He became something else. In His incarnation as God, He became flesh, but now in His resurrection as a man, He became the life-giving Spirit.

First Corinthians 15:45b says, "The last Adam became a life-giving Spirit." We should not only underline this passage but also highlight it and circle it.

This verse is vital, living, and basic. It is of great importance, but it has been missed by most Christians today. The last Adam, who is Christ in the flesh as a man, became a life-giving Spirit. This is the Spirit who gives life. Thus, we have the two steps which Christ took, incarnation and resurrection.

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 6 2015, 03:39 PM)
Talk about time mgmt., time really flies. I am really frustrated at my working place. My company is retrenching and moving out all the lower paying staff while the highly paid managers are still retained, well paid with not much work to do. Whereas mid level dudes like me, have to take up the place of those people whom they laid off. I am so busy. Sometimes I just don't give a darn...I just go back home at 8pm. My bosses think I am spiderman or something, they say the hope of the company is in your hands..you must stay back and get all the answers to save everybody's job. But what about me? Last year I work 24/7 for the company, they overlook me for promotion and I lost my ex gf because of me spending too much time at work. Now I just put a borderline, I go back home, I spend time with my friends and my walk with God. If my company want to lay me off, God will provide.
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Is that like a Chinaman company of something? They make you work long hours and do other people's work / job?

I thank God that He constantly provide and I don't have to endure traffic jams. sweat.gif

Working at home sure is fun but usually I worked 10++ hours per day, depending on the projects.

QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 6 2015, 03:42 PM)
I only watch horror movies when I am depressed. So it can scare me to forget the cause of my depression.
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Gosh, my popcorn flew everywhere while watching Insidious. blush.gif

vmad.gif Scared the hell out of me!!!


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Just did this after listening to John 15 sermon. Hope it helps some of you =)


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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jun 7 2015, 09:42 PM)
Just did this after listening to John 15 sermon. Hope it helps some of you =)
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long time no see ? how is the conference ?
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Blind Faith ?

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/bli.../#post-68080514
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long time no see ? how is the conference ?
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conference online...not bad....expository preaching....

bought 33-volume Macarthur New Testaments Commentary
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jun 8 2015, 10:00 AM)
conference online...not bad....expository preaching....

bought 33-volume Macarthur New Testaments Commentary
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online ? using webex ? or just watch youtube ?
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jun 8 2015, 10:00 AM)
conference online...not bad....expository preaching....

bought 33-volume Macarthur New Testaments Commentary
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Where did you buy it? I was thinking of buying it via Amazon.

Wow this dude sure does not mince his words at all...Even disagree with Roman Catholic teaching and criticized prosperity gospel.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 8 2015, 11:50 PM)
Where did you buy it? I was thinking of buying it via Amazon.

Wow this dude sure does not mince his words at all...Even disagree with Roman Catholic teaching and criticized prosperity gospel.
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can buy it straight from gty.org

all cost $363 + a whopping shipping fee of $303 to your doorstep in Malaysia.

The result is two big boxes arrived, with fedex calling me to clear kastam issue =)
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THE LORD'S GOING FOR HIS COMING BACK TO THE DISCIPLES AS THE SPIRIT

Chapter 14 is the turning point of the Gospel of John. At the beginning of this chapter the Lord surprised the disciples by telling them that He was about to leave them. The disciples were greatly disappointed at the thought of losing the Lord. Then the Lord told them the truth, the fact, that His going would be not a loss to them but a gain. His going was not His leaving but His coming back; His going was His coming.

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Verses 16 through 20 say, “And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, that He may be with you forever, even the Spirit of reality, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him; but you know Him, because He abides with you and shall be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I am coming to you. Yet a little while and the world beholds Me no longer, but you behold Me; because I live, you also shall live. In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.”


In verse 17 the Lord Jesus said that the Spirit of reality would be with the disciples, and then in verse 18 he said, “I am coming to you.” While He was speaking, He was already coming. His going was His coming. The day of His coming would be the day of resurrection (v. 20). It is as if the Lord were saying, “There is no need for you to worry. You should be happy. I am leaving, but I am coming. Moreover, My coming is to come into you. Now I am in the flesh; for that reason, I can only be among you. As long as I am in the flesh, I can never be in you. Therefore, I need to be transfigured from the flesh into the Spirit. I need to have a change in form. Through death and resurrection I will be transfigured, changed in form from the flesh into the Spirit.” It was in this way, by death and resurrection, that Christ became the life-giving Spirit.

After Christ was resurrected from the dead, and on the day of resurrection He came back to the disciples in a very mysterious way. On that evening the doors were shut in the house where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, but suddenly Christ was among them. Even though no one opened the door, He came into the room and told His disciples to touch His resurrected body. He came back in this mysterious way in order to do one thing, that is, to breathe Himself into the disciples.

He breathed into the disciples and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.” Spirit in Greek is pneuma, which also means “breath.” At that time He was the Holy Breath for His disciples to breathe. It was in this way that Christ came into the disciples. In the Gospel of John there is no record of Christ’s ascension to the heavens. From that time on He was continually in the disciples as the Spirit, the Holy Breath.
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jun 9 2015, 10:29 AM)
can buy it straight from gty.org

all cost $363 + a whopping shipping fee of $303 to your doorstep in Malaysia.

The result is two big boxes arrived, with fedex calling me to clear kastam issue =)
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Oh, I checked Amazon and I can get it for $343.99 and download it via Whispernet. Need a Kindle device to work though.

My fiance already have a Kindle device so I can use it.


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QUOTE(pehkay @ Jun 9 2015, 05:48 PM)
THE LORD'S GOING FOR HIS COMING BACK TO THE DISCIPLES AS THE SPIRIT

Chapter 14 is the turning point of the Gospel of John. At the beginning of this chapter the Lord surprised the disciples by telling them that He was about to leave them. The disciples were greatly disappointed at the thought of losing the Lord. Then the Lord told them the truth, the fact, that His going would be not a loss to them but a gain. His going was not His leaving but His coming back; His going was His coming.
In verse 17 the Lord Jesus said that the Spirit of reality would be with the disciples, and then in verse 18 he said, “I am coming to you.” While He was speaking, He was already coming. His going was His coming. The day of His coming would be the day of resurrection (v. 20). It is as if the Lord were saying, “There is no need for you to worry. You should be happy. I am leaving, but I am coming. Moreover, My coming is to come into you. Now I am in the flesh; for that reason, I can only be among you. As long as I am in the flesh, I can never be in you. Therefore, I need to be transfigured from the flesh into the Spirit. I need to have a change in form. Through death and resurrection I will be transfigured, changed in form from the flesh into the Spirit.” It was in this way, by death and resurrection, that Christ became the life-giving Spirit.

After Christ was resurrected from the dead, and on the day of resurrection He came back to the disciples in a very mysterious way. On that evening the doors were shut in the house where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, but suddenly Christ was among them. Even though no one opened the door, He came into the room and told His disciples to touch His resurrected body. He came back in this mysterious way in order to do one thing, that is, to breathe Himself into the disciples.

He breathed into the disciples and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.” Spirit in Greek is pneuma, which also means “breath.” At that time He was the Holy Breath for His disciples to breathe. It was in this way that Christ came into the disciples. In the Gospel of John there is no record of Christ’s ascension to the heavens. From that time on He was continually in the disciples as the Spirit, the Holy Breath.
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rclxms.gif Thank you for writing up this deep contemplation, Pehkay.

Lots of insight.
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??? This board seems quiet lately.
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compare preaching

1) biblical doctrine in biblical context
2) biblical doctrine in today's context
3) today's doctrine in today's context, with some verses coated around them to sound that it's from the Bible.

Discuss =D
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 9 2015, 09:55 PM)
Oh, I checked Amazon and I can get it for $343.99 and download it via Whispernet. Need a Kindle device to work though.

My fiance already have a Kindle device so I can use it.
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ya...a luxury to have it in hardcopy. and the result is......*drum*.....


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??? This board seems quiet lately.
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ya...a luxury to have it in hardcopy. and the result is......*drum*.....
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u made me guilty =(
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jun 10 2015, 07:49 PM)
compare preaching

1) biblical doctrine in biblical context
2) biblical doctrine in today's context
3) today's doctrine in today's context, with some verses coated around them to sound that it's from the Bible.

Discuss =D
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Different denomination different reply brows.gif and each claim to be the correct one.

btw: what denomination are you coming from ?
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 11 2015, 05:45 PM)
Well I don't want to get into another debate.

All I can say if in doubt go back to the scriptures. Any church that leave out the scripture to differentiate itself from the rest, is just a church that wants vanity and attract as many people as possible to become a mega church, I am going to stay away.

I am not saying people won't grow there but when they do those kind of stuff, to me, they don't have the best interest of their congregation in heart...they only want vanity.
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go back to scripture ? or go back to denomination thinking ?
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jun 11 2015, 08:23 AM)
u made me guilty =(
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It saddened me that humans have almost ruined God's beautiful creations by our pursuit of greed, happiness, wealth, etc

To the destructions of mother nature, weird weather phenomenon, etc...

But what did the Bible says about new heaven and earth in Revelations? God will restore back everything right?

QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 11 2015, 05:41 PM)
No..its an American company.

I won't work 10++ hours a day unless the company is paying me darn well. I have to divide my time - dating (praying to God that he will make it work with her ! I have been always close to achieving but never ever achieve), my hobbies, church and watching TV.

Well, Poltergeist is showing at cinemas, you can try another horror movie.
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Well I worked around 10++ hours. The pay is good. No complaints.

Oh yeah Poltergeist... shocking.gif
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A good testimony from Taya Smith, one of Hillsong lead worship leaders and the voice for Broken Vessels(Amazing Grace)



http://hillsong.com/conference/blog/2015/0...h/#.VXp_Kvmqqko
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 11 2015, 08:21 PM)
It saddened me that humans have almost ruined God's beautiful creations by our pursuit of greed, happiness, wealth, etc

To the destructions of mother nature, weird weather phenomenon, etc...

But what did the Bible says about new heaven and earth in Revelations? God will restore back everything right?

Oh yeah Poltergeist... shocking.gif
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CHRIST AS THE ALL-INCLUSIVE SPIRIT BEING THE SPIRIT THAT WAS FROM THE BEGINNING WITH FURTHER ELEMENTS ADDED TO HIM


From the beginning, Christ was God, and God is Spirit. Then God as Spirit became a man to die on the cross to bear our sins and accomplish redemption. After this, He was resurrected, and in and by resurrection He became the life-giving Spirit.

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What then is the difference between the Spirit that was from the beginning and the life-giving Spirit? Are they two Spirits or one?


We may illustrate the answer in the following way. Originally, I may have a cup of plain water, but if I gradually pour some juice into it, followed by some milk, tea, honey, and a little salt, eventually I will have a wonderful drink. It is still the water I had originally, but now there is a difference. At first it was purely, plainly, and uniquely water. Now it is still water but with certain elements added to it. Christ as Spirit in eternity was the “plain water,” but the life-giving Spirit has further elements added to Him, including incarnation, crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension.

The life-giving Spirit is still the original Spirit, but many wonderful elements have been added to Him (c.f. John 7:39). Without crucifixion, redemption, resurrection, and ascension the original Spirit could not come into man. It was not until Christ accomplished redemption, passing through incarnation, crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension that He came into man. How wonderful this is! Now Christ as God is the all-inclusive Spirit with redemption, incarnation, crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension.

Christ as the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit with many wonderful elements added to Him. This is the Spirit in the book of Acts who was spreading to produce the Body of Christ. In the Acts this wonderful Spirit is no longer only the Spirit of God. Acts 16:6-7 says, “And they passed through the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia. And when they had come to Mysia, they tried to go into Bithynia, yet the Spirit of Jesus did not allow them.” In the Acts the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, has become the Spirit of Jesus, who is Christ Himself. It is through the spreading of this wonderful all-inclusive Spirit that the church, the Body of Christ, came into existence.

We need a new understanding, comprehension, and view of all the matters in the book of Acts. What is taking place in this book is the spreading of Jesus as the wonderful Spirit to produce the Body of Christ, which is the church. If we consider this book and the churches in the early days with this point of view, we will have a new understanding. This wonderful Christ mingled Himself with many human beings, including Peter, John, James, Paul, Timothy, and thousands of believers in the early days. All the believers in the Acts were joined to Christ and made one with Christ as the Spirit (1 Cor. 6:17)

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Why do people desire worldly pleasures more compared to Christian pleasures?

Isn't seeking God give more pleasures?

What is your desire(s) in your own life?

I know I seek pleasures in certain materialistic things. blush.gif

Aren't we all like that? We have our own sinful pleasures.

So how do we overcome those "sinful and worldly pleasures?"

Psalm 16:11

11 You make known to me the path of life; in your presence there is fullness of joy; at your right hand are pleasures forevermore.



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Go Green dude!

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Why do people desire worldly pleasures more compared to Christian pleasures?

Isn't seeking God give more pleasures?

What is your desire(s) in your own life?

I know I seek pleasures in certain materialistic things.  blush.gif

Aren't we all like that? We have our own sinful pleasures.

So how do we overcome those "sinful and worldly pleasures?"

Psalm 16:11

11 You make known to me the path of life; in your presence there is fullness of joy; at your right hand are pleasures forevermore.
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Christian pleasure or GOD's pleasure ?

for Mr A. It's GOD's pleasure if he drinks and hangout in bar so he can know about his future ministry. reaching out people in bar.
for Mr B. It's GOD's pleasure to abstain from drinking bir ?

GOD's pleasure ? Mr A or Mr B ?

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Why do people desire worldly pleasures more compared to Christian pleasures?

Isn't seeking God give more pleasures?

What is your desire(s) in your own life?

I know I seek pleasures in certain materialistic things.  blush.gif

Aren't we all like that? We have our own sinful pleasures.

So how do we overcome those "sinful and worldly pleasures?"

Psalm 16:11

11 You make known to me the path of life; in your presence there is fullness of joy; at your right hand are pleasures forevermore.
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I will respond in this way:

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Philippians 3:8 says, "On account of the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord."

Second Corinthians 4:7 says, "But we have this treasure in earthen vessels that the excellency of the power may be of God and not out of us."


Excellency here means transcendence or super-eminence.

Here is one testimony which fits your question biggrin.gif

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In January and February of 1937, I went from Shanghai, passing through Hangchow, to Nanking to hold a gospel conference. During that conference, a group of highly educated people came to hear the gospel. One of them was a very modern lady who listened with complete attention to the gospel that I was preaching. After one evening meeting, she came up to the front to see me and said, "Mr. Lee, what you have preached in these past few evenings has touched me very much; I am willing to believe. But I would like to ask you if I can do a certain thing after I have believed in the Lord. If I can do it, then I will certainly believe the gospel which you preach. My believing is totally dependent on your answer to this question." Then she continued, "After believing in the Lord, I will be able to give up anything, but there is one thing that will be very difficult for me to give up. I like to go to the opera. From my youth I went to the opera with my father, and I have become addicted to it. I can give up breathing, but if I cannot go to the opera, then I"ll not be able to live. My husband has also been influenced by me. Now that I have heard you speak about Jesus, you have really persuaded me and made me very willing to believe. But if I believe in the Lord Jesus and cannot go to the opera, what will I do? If you say that I cannot go, then I will not believe. If you say that I can go, then I will believe." This question was certainly a hard one to answer. It so happened that by her side she had a three- or four-year-old child, and the Lord gave me wisdom to answer. I said, "Madam, all children like to play with knives. If your child was playing with a sharp knife and was about to have an accident, what would you do? Would you grab the knife away from him?" She was very clever and immediately thought of the chocolate candy which was so famous in Shanghai and Nanking at that time, so she said, "That is easy; I would scatter pieces of chocolate candy all over the floor, then the child would go to pick up the candy, and in the end he would not want the knife." I said, "Chinese opera is a sharp knife. Without Christ, you have nothing that can satisfy you, so you need to go to the opera. But now I am scattering the pieces of chocolate candy. Do you see? I have lots of "chocolate"; this is Christ. Do not ask me if you can go to the opera, but only believe in Christ and see if He satisfies you to the extent that you will not want other things." She said, "That is very reasonable; I will believe in Him."


Christ is truly far superior to all other things and matters.

The issue is not that we tried very hard not to love the world .... that is being religious ... also hypocritical and will not last.

Rather, have you seen or experience THE transcending, super-eminence, ultimate, CHOCOLATE!! biggrin.gif Then, spontaneously, you will drop the lesser things.

The Christian life is not a matter of cultivating character. The Christian life is a matter of transformation. To be transformed we need a new element. This element is the real and living Lord. In Him God's attributes and the riches of all that God is become the fullness. Furthermore, as the Spirit, the Lord has become our bountiful supply. We need to love Him, fellowship with Him, read His word, pray to Him, and always call on His name, which is to breathe Him in. In this way we receive His element into us. This element will have a metabolic effect within us to transform us.

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Psalm 23:4 (NIV) - Even though I walk through the darkest valley, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.


I asked God what if I was downtrodden, not walking right before God. Am I vulnerable before my enemies? What if there are wrong type of "psychic" prayers prayed against my life by disgruntled Christians (I bind UW Ministry, I bind this, I bind that nonsense) that may cause complications in one's life?

This verse jumped at me. Then I'm reminded, Jesus came for the sinners. He came to lift them up, not push them away. Why? I'm reminded how some Churches today teaches that when a Christian so called "Sin" God the Father does not see Him and is separated. Then I remember the story of the prodigal Son and all the matter of God's Grace. The Father Ran to his Son. He never waited for the son to come to fall prostrated before Him with the disdain look of contempt. And neither did the father pushed Him away despite that the prodigal son has sin against his own father. God ran to Him.

Then I'm also reminded of Romans 5:20 (NIV) - The law was brought in so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,

Where there is Sin even among Christians, God's Grace super abounds in greater measure over his sin.

So to cut the story short and bring this home. God will never leave his children even when they has fallen.

A Christian life is one that is lead by the Holy Spirit. One who depends on the shoulders of Jesus, who carries Him. What if he is no longer led?

Psalm 23:4 is an indication that he is no longer led, because he walks (on his own). And He walks through the darkest valley, meaning in times when he is downtrodden and in trouble.

King David had this revelation, He knew that even if He walks rather than being lead, He can fear no evil because "For you art with me"
If God is for you, who can be against you?

Take heart and don't lose hope, God will never let you go because you are his Son and Daughters.


God Bless guys. Blessed ver 10.
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been skipping church services alot since this year and last year, mainly because of foot arch pain which make me very uncomfortable when i walk or sitting down also my nephew sometimes nobody available to take care of him when he decided not to go sunday school (lazy to wake up)........so i have to either wake him up and attend CHC which would be late already when i got there only can send him to sunday school then myself and another friend sit down in the cafeteria for another 30 mins or longer waiting for the sunday school to end
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Talking in context of relationships.

The girl I been going out with, she invited me to her church. Then we both sat together and worshipped together. For me, its like, she won't simply ask any guy to join her sit with her one to one, right? at church some more. I mean, people know her at church would surely notice.

I then took her out for dinner...and manage to hold her hand. But question still linger in my head, is she my gf?

So I failed to ask her to be my gf and go steady that evening...aw gosh...

But she did admitted to me that she is going out with other guys as friends, then that made me anxious.

So I watsapp her next day, to ask her to be my gf...so very suspense....have to wait because she dun have data plan, only can wait till evening.

I ask her out again for next week, but she say she's busy, ask me to ask her out again the next 2 weeks.

I almost made the same mistake to my ex gf when I sounded very controlling, she was pissed with me, when I tell her that we must date exclusively and not see other guys. My ex told me off and said that I am very controlling because even guy friend I not allow her to see one to one. SO this time I won't say it to this girl, I almost wanted to tell her date exclusively, but I was afraid I would get the same reaction as my ex.

So this time, I try the soft method instead. I wonder if I am doing it right.
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Make sure you practise the soft method even after marriage. laugh.gif

QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jun 15 2015, 10:24 AM)
been skipping church services alot since this year and last year, mainly because of foot arch pain which make me very uncomfortable when i walk or sitting down also my nephew sometimes nobody available to take care of him when he decided not to go sunday school (lazy to wake up)........so i have to either wake him up and attend CHC which would be late already when i got there only can send him to sunday school then myself and another friend sit down in the cafeteria for another 30 mins or longer waiting for the sunday school to end
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Have you tried, there's a special sandal called birkenstock sandals designed especially for foot arch pain. May want to invest for better comfort.

And also don't neglect the reading the Bible in this trying time.
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been skipping church services alot since this year and last year, mainly because of foot arch pain which make me very uncomfortable when i walk or sitting down also my nephew sometimes nobody available to take care of him when he decided not to go sunday school (lazy to wake up)........so i have to either wake him up and attend CHC which would be late already when i got there only can send him to sunday school then myself and another friend sit down in the cafeteria for another 30 mins or longer waiting for the sunday school to end
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the sufferings always temporary... i know it's easy just to talk / write, and i may not display empathy properly.
I pray that u get well too thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 15 2015, 09:52 AM)
Talking in context of relationships.

The girl I been going out with, she invited me to her church. Then we both sat together and worshipped together. For me, its like, she won't simply ask any guy to join her sit with her one to one, right? at church some more. I mean, people know her at church would surely notice.

I then took her out for dinner...and manage to hold her hand. But question still linger in my head, is she my gf?

So I failed to ask her to be my gf and go steady that evening...aw gosh...

But she did admitted to me that she is going out with other guys as friends, then that made me anxious.

So I watsapp her next day, to ask her to be my gf...so very suspense....have to wait because she dun have data plan, only can wait till evening.

I ask her out again for next week, but she say she's busy, ask me to ask her out again the next 2 weeks.

I almost made the same mistake to my ex gf when I sounded very controlling, she was pissed with me, when I tell her that we must date exclusively and not see other guys. My ex told me off and said that I am very controlling because even guy friend I not allow her to see one to one. SO this time I won't say it to this girl, I almost wanted to tell her date exclusively, but I was afraid I would get the same reaction as my ex.

So this time, I try the soft method instead. I wonder if I am doing it right.
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perhaps this prayer is best: Thank GOD i can have a meeting with her. If she's my GF than thank GOD, if she's not my GF than thank GOD. I know whatever yes / no scenario you are always in control and you will bring the best of every scenario regardless yes / no replies.

Try to maintain positive attitude toward JESUS and like paul in Philippians 4:11 (some part only)
I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 15 2015, 11:23 AM)
Make sure you practise the soft method even after marriage.  laugh.gif
Have you tried, there's a special sandal called birkenstock sandals designed especially for foot arch pain. May want to invest for better comfort.

And also don't neglect the reading the Bible in this trying time.
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I've visited a shop like this the price tag however is just too much for me cannot afford it price is at about RM 900++ and above shakehead.gif
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I've visited a shop like this the price tag however is just too much for me cannot afford it price is at about RM 900++ and above shakehead.gif
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You sure?

http://www.birkenstock.com.my/products/birkenstock

It's about RM200-RM300.

If you go lelong,

RM50+

http://list.lelong.com.my/Auc/List/List.as...d=&PriceUBound=

Inspired Birkenstock.


Mudah lagi good bargain


http://www.mudah.my/Selangor/birkenstock-f...w=108&so=1&st=s



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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 15 2015, 02:37 PM)
most of this is sandal type, the one i checked in the mall, was just the rubber layer to put in your shoe or sandal, according to your feet type cost about the price i mentioned earlier

the shop name is foot solutions........

as i mentioned earlier i mistaken my pain on arch instead on heel. sorry for the error here

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Christian pleasure or GOD's pleasure ?

for Mr A. It's GOD's pleasure if he drinks and hangout in bar so he can know about his future ministry. reaching out people in bar.
for Mr B. It's GOD's pleasure to abstain from drinking bir ?

GOD's pleasure ? Mr A or Mr B ?
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u have a very twisted mind  shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jun 15 2015, 07:58 AM)
Christian pleasure or GOD's pleasure ?

for Mr A. It's GOD's pleasure if he drinks and hangout in bar so he can know about his future ministry. reaching out people in bar.
for Mr B. It's GOD's pleasure to abstain from drinking bir ?

GOD's pleasure ? Mr A or Mr B ?
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Seriously dude, I don't know what you are talking about.

Maybe I should talk in your native language.

Tuhan Kristus nikmat bisa sama ngan Kristus sih? Sama sih. Apa bedanya?

Kamu bisa bicara sama gue bahasa ibunda mu?

Gue ngak faham bila kamu omong bahasa Inggeris.

Aku bilang terus terang aje ya.

QUOTE(pehkay @ Jun 15 2015, 08:30 AM)
I will respond in this way:
Excellency here means transcendence or super-eminence.

Here is one testimony which fits your question biggrin.gif
Christ is truly far superior to all other things and matters.

The issue is not that we tried very hard not to love the world .... that is being religious ... also hypocritical and will not last.

Rather, have you seen or experience THE transcending, super-eminence, ultimate, CHOCOLATE!! biggrin.gif Then, spontaneously, you will drop the lesser things.

The Christian life is not a matter of cultivating character. The Christian life is a matter of transformation. To be transformed we need a new element. This element is the real and living Lord. In Him God's attributes and the riches of all that God is become the fullness. Furthermore, as the Spirit, the Lord has become our bountiful supply. We need to love Him, fellowship with Him, read His word, pray to Him, and always call on His name, which is to breathe Him in. In this way we receive His element into us. This element will have a metabolic effect within us to transform us.
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Ohh good example. Ok I understand better now.

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In January and February of 1937, I went from Shanghai, passing through Hangchow, to Nanking to hold a gospel conference. During that conference, a group of highly educated people came to hear the gospel. One of them was a very modern lady who listened with complete attention to the gospel that I was preaching. After one evening meeting, she came up to the front to see me and said, "Mr. Lee, what you have preached in these past few evenings has touched me very much; I am willing to believe. But I would like to ask you if I can do a certain thing after I have believed in the Lord. If I can do it, then I will certainly believe the gospel which you preach. My believing is totally dependent on your answer to this question." Then she continued, "After believing in the Lord, I will be able to give up anything, but there is one thing that will be very difficult for me to give up. I like to go to the opera. From my youth I went to the opera with my father, and I have become addicted to it. I can give up breathing, but if I cannot go to the opera, then I"ll not be able to live. My husband has also been influenced by me. Now that I have heard you speak about Jesus, you have really persuaded me and made me very willing to believe. But if I believe in the Lord Jesus and cannot go to the opera, what will I do? If you say that I cannot go, then I will not believe. If you say that I can go, then I will believe." This question was certainly a hard one to answer. It so happened that by her side she had a three- or four-year-old child, and the Lord gave me wisdom to answer. I said, "Madam, all children like to play with knives. If your child was playing with a sharp knife and was about to have an accident, what would you do? Would you grab the knife away from him?" She was very clever and immediately thought of the chocolate candy which was so famous in Shanghai and Nanking at that time, so she said, "That is easy; I would scatter pieces of chocolate candy all over the floor, then the child would go to pick up the candy, and in the end he would not want the knife." I said, "Chinese opera is a sharp knife. Without Christ, you have nothing that can satisfy you, so you need to go to the opera. But now I am scattering the pieces of chocolate candy. Do you see? I have lots of "chocolate"; this is Christ. Do not ask me if you can go to the opera, but only believe in Christ and see if He satisfies you to the extent that you will not want other things." She said, "That is very reasonable; I will believe in Him."


hmm.gif Sounds like you are describing my character..

Well anyway good example.

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 15 2015, 02:37 PM)
Birkenstock ist gut.

In Germany they are selling for Euro 40 and below (classics).

There's another German leather made too, but its non branded. But the quality is very good though. As good as Birkenstock. Less than Euro 10.


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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 15 2015, 07:34 PM)

Well anyway good example.
Birkenstock ist gut.

In Germany they are selling for Euro 40 and below (classics).

There's another German leather made too, but its non branded. But the quality is very good though. As good as Birkenstock. Less than Euro 10.
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Seriously dude, I don't know what you are talking about.
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ok fine.. let's start 1 by 1. What i know is, there are 2 difference between (red and blue below)
Christian pleasure
and
GOD pleasure

i think, or i assume: Tina thinks there is no difference between Christian pleasure and GOD pleasure.

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I can explain the difference if you want biggrin.gif ... let me know.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 15 2015, 07:38 PM)
I just use those cheap night market el-slippar rm15.
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Oh..kamu bilang selipar sih?

Oops wrong dude.

You mean slippers right? El-slippar, what is that? laugh.gif

QUOTE(de1929 @ Jun 15 2015, 08:47 PM)
ok fine.. let's start 1 by 1. What i know is, there are 2 difference between (red and blue below)
Christian pleasure
and
GOD pleasure

i think, or i assume: Tina thinks there is no difference between Christian pleasure and GOD pleasure.

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I can explain the difference if you want biggrin.gif ... let me know.
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Gue diskusi "worldly pleasure" dengan "Christian pleasure."

Aduh bapak, gue tahu nikmat Kristen asalnya dari Tuhan dan Yesus Kristus.

Jangan diskusi lagi. Kepala gue pening. rclxub.gif

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Gue diskusi "worldly pleasure" dengan "Christian pleasure."

Aduh bapak, gue tahu nikmat Kristen asalnya dari Tuhan dan Yesus Kristus.

Jangan diskusi lagi. Kepala gue pening.  rclxub.gif

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Ok last one, put worldly pleasure aside. because it's irrelevant.

Christian pleasure is not from Jesus Christ.
Christian pleasure is what tina thinking is from Christ biggrin.gif
GOD's pleasure is from Jesus Christ.

I think you know the book man from mars and women from venus right ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Are_from_..._Are_from_Venus

the book is about relationship between man and women
bible say: Christ and church often represent by husband and wife.

if earthly husband and wife often miscommunication, how about "heavenly husband and wife" ? brows.gif

JESUS has HIS mind about Christian pleasure
Tina has her mind about Christian pleasure.

if 2 entities (Tina and JESUS) thinking about Christian pleasure, how to make sure JESUS and Tina are thinking the same Christian pleasure ?

no other choice except 2 way communications right ?

-- to conclude:
1. worldly pleasure - no
2. christian pleasure - fake
3. GOD's pleasure - eternity.

GOD's pleasure for Mr A to go to bar for abcd reasons.
GOD's pleasure for Mr B not to go to bar for abcd reasons.

Do you know what is GOD's pleasure today ?

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jun 15 2015, 10:34 PM)
Ok last one, put worldly pleasure aside. because it's irrelevant.

Christian pleasure is not from Jesus Christ.
Christian pleasure is what tina thinking is from Christ biggrin.gif
GOD's pleasure is from Jesus Christ.

I think you know the book man from mars and women from venus right ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Are_from_..._Are_from_Venus

the book is about relationship between man and women
bible say: Christ and church often represent by husband and wife.

if earthly husband and wife often miscommunication, how about "heavenly husband and wife" ?  brows.gif

JESUS has HIS mind about Christian pleasure
Tina has her mind about Christian pleasure.

if 2 entities (Tina and JESUS) thinking about Christian pleasure, how to make sure JESUS and Tina are thinking the same Christian pleasure ?

no other choice except 2 way communications right ?

-- to conclude:
1. worldly pleasure - no
2. christian pleasure - fake
3. GOD's pleasure - eternity.

GOD's pleasure for Mr A to go to bar for abcd reasons.
GOD's pleasure for Mr B not to go to bar for abcd reasons.

Do you know what is GOD's pleasure today ?
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Which part of "No" that you don't understand? doh.gif

Christian pleasure does comes from God, then why are Christians glorifying in God's delight? If they glorify themselves and others, its not glorifying God.

Why do you think Christian pleasure does not come from God? doh.gif

Why are you bringing up "husband and wife relationship" into this context? Its not relevant. shakehead.gif

1 Corinthians 6:19 NIV

19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

You can have your own twisted opinions. I don't need it. Besides pehkay already answered my query very well.

Please respect mine.

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 16 2015, 07:06 PM)
Which part of "No" that you don't understand?  doh.gif

You can have your own twisted opinions. I don't need it. Besides pehkay already answered my query very well.

Please respect mine.
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This is forum, it's open, everybody can give opinions. If i quote you, you may not accept my answers, but others who may have similar problem may be blessed.
I answered for the sake of silent reader who may have similar problem like yours.

QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 16 2015, 07:06 PM)
Why are you bringing up "husband and wife relationship" into this context? Its not relevant.  shakehead.gif

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https://bible.org/seriespage/8-husbands-and...lossians-318-19
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jun 16 2015, 07:23 PM)
This is forum, it's open, everybody can give opinions. If i quote you, you may not accept my answers, but others who may have similar problem may be blessed.
I answered for the sake of silent reader who may have similar problem like yours.
https://bible.org/seriespage/8-husbands-and...lossians-318-19
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Any why do you think that glorifying God is a problem? doh.gif

For goodness sake, do you have to win every arguments? shakehead.gif

Was I even talking about husband and wife analogy? doh.gif

You really spoilt this thread.

#IGNORE MODE ON
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 16 2015, 10:42 PM)
I am kind of a neutral person here. But at times I am sorry to say, when De is in debating mode, best option is to just let him win.
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Its not the point of winning or losing. I cannot stand it when someone is talking nonsense. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 16 2015, 10:46 PM)
Hahahaha

anyways how is life?
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Good. I've finished a couple of projects too. So I got some money. hehe...
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 16 2015, 11:07 PM)
Good for you.

Today i am so stress at work. I scolded a colleague who kept pushing work unfairly at me. Almost got me into trouble, well its bad already, thsi colleague complained me to the big bosses, and gave me a bad light.

Although i was stressed but it was no excuse, as i used some not very nice words at this colleague. I called up prayer tower and asked for repentance.

But i know the colleague is kind of a snake, I didn't apologise to her as i know she is well known for stabbing people from behind.
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Danke.

Ohh your colleague so mean and sneaky! And its a girl too.

Uh but the Lord asked us to love our enemies too. tongue.gif

pehkay & unknown warrior maybe you can explain how "The Lord wants us to deal with our enemies." tongue.gif

Bapak de1929, ini soalan nya untuk uncle-uncle. Saya ngak mahu kepala kron_ka berpusing-pusing.. brows.gif

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 16 2015, 11:14 PM)
Danke.

Ohh your colleague so mean and sneaky! And its a girl too.

Uh but the Lord asked us to love our enemies too.  tongue.gif

pehkay & unknown warrior maybe you can explain how "The Lord wants us to deal with our enemies."  tongue.gif

Bapak de1929, ini soalan nya untuk uncle-uncle. Saya ngak mahu kepala kron_ka berpusing-pusing..  brows.gif
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Matthew 18:17 strongly applies.

Titus 3:10 very relevant.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 16 2015, 11:38 PM)
Matthew 18:17 strongly applies.

Titus 3:10 very relevant.
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Thanks for the insight.

Ohhh reminds me of someone... rolleyes.gif
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Thanks for the insight.

Ohhh reminds me of someone... rolleyes.gif
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It is.


Only for that guy.

*Not referring to kron.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 16 2015, 11:49 PM)
It is.
Only for that guy.

*Not referring to kron.
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Dude, I thought we agreed on the # IGNORE MODE ON. brows.gif

Well, it was obvious that its not for kron ka. laugh.gif

oh man...You have wicked sense of humour and tons of patience.

I wish I was more like that instead of vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif all the time.

Its like I'm having PMS everyday. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 16 2015, 11:52 PM)
Yeah, now i feel betrayed by this colleague. I have been helping her work all the while. SHe is so baby and she needs me to spoon feed her. Now she is pushing some work back to me, and putting deadlines. When I got unhappy and argue back, she complain to her superiors, use my messenger - and report to my big boss.

Now i feel like resigning, just get a new job and throw everything back at this traitor colleague.

I been sacrificing my time at this company, while this colleague, she gets to go back home and make babies with her husband. I lost my ex gf because i spend too much time at work, whereas this colleague, she is suppose to support my work, but failed, instead she play taichi back at me. She is so free can go back home at 430pm and even take 1 week break to be with her family. Me? As a result of overwork, i have 40 days of annual leave after 2 years of service. I never took one of them, even when my teeth broke...i could not go to dentist because too much work.

I want to apply for work but economy no good and this job is so taxing that i have no time to spend updating my CV.

I am hoping that this doesn't affect my current rship. Also after that fiasco, this snake colleague will find the right time to destroy me...by setting me up again.
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Ah...You need to use your smartphone and secretly record her. I mean via audio recording.

Then you can show to your boss. tongue.gif

Ah the economy is slow this year..is it because of the GST?

Taichi? Isn't that the martial art? Both of you sparring in the office? Uh, I really don't understand Malaysian work culture. First they say they are busy, but still find time sparring with each other.

Wow, you are a hard worker. Take a break dude. Go Shanghai. Its such a cool place to visit.


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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 16 2015, 11:52 PM)
Yeah, now i feel betrayed by this colleague. I have been helping her work all the while. SHe is so baby and she needs me to spoon feed her. Now she is pushing some work back to me, and putting deadlines. When I got unhappy and argue back, she complain to her superiors, use my messenger - and report to my big boss.

Now i feel like resigning, just get a new job and throw everything back at this traitor colleague.

I been sacrificing my time at this company, while this colleague, she gets to go back home and make babies with her husband. I lost my ex gf because i spend too much time at work, whereas this colleague, she is suppose to support my work, but failed, instead she play taichi back at me. She is so free can go back home at 430pm and even take 1 week break to be with her family. Me? As a result of overwork, i have 40 days of annual leave after 2 years of service. I never took one of them, even when my teeth broke...i could not go to dentist because too much work.

I want to apply for work but economy no good and this job is so taxing that i have no time to spend updating my CV.

I am hoping that this doesn't affect my current rship. Also after that fiasco, this snake colleague will find the right time to destroy me...by setting me up again.
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why life seems to hit you hard all the times ?

we both have JESUS.

i don't know you well, but from all your post, all i can say you have a lot of problems, and looks like GOD is not helping you at all. I mean c'mon... our GOD is JESUS right ? If JESUS can help me, HE can help you too...

why life seems to hit you hard all the times ?
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i read bible sometimes, there is a phrase like god sent 2 bears to maul 42 children, why?
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This is indeed a hetic week for me. All things come in 1 time with the sudden iso audit and 1 of my staff resign without any notice. Furthermore, i have yet to complete my phd assignment. Feeling pressure so much

Please pray for me..
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i read bible sometimes, there is a phrase like god sent 2 bears to maul 42 children, why?
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You sure you read that from the Bible or did you just read from the Internet, from sources that is already prejudiced towards Christians ?

Did God sent the 2 bears? Read carefully. Serious.

QUOTE(wujoy9 @ Jun 17 2015, 07:42 AM)
This is indeed a hetic week for me. All things come in 1 time with the sudden iso audit and 1 of my staff resign without any notice. Furthermore, i have yet to complete my phd assignment. Feeling pressure so much

Please pray for me..
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Okay Bro. I will pray. God's Grace is available for those who don't deserve.

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i read bible sometimes, there is a phrase like god sent 2 bears to maul 42 children, why?
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Bro, sometimes you have to be more verbose biggrin.gif .... why are you asking this question? Is there a reason? Does it affect your faith? Etc.

Question like this tend to bring people into the mind instead of Christ.

Outwardly, do try not to apply our "modern" morality "glasses" into the readings of the Old Testament. After all, in happens in ANE (Ancient Near East - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Near_East) where anything goes.

The verses above sound very cruel and unnecessary at first glance, but a closer look shows there is a better picture of what was going on.

KJV translation "children". The Hebrew word for children is na`ar. Looking at the usage of the word throughout the Bible, it can be any age from 12-30. The NKJV uses the better translation of youths. So these young men were old enough to be accountable for their actions.

Now if 42 of them had been mauled, how many were there all together? 50,100, more?

Elisha was outnumbered at least 42-1 and they were obviously hostile. We see evidence of this by the fact that they were taunting a prophet. This was clearly some sort of gang or mob. Imagine at least 42 young men in their teens or twenties coming towards you shouting insults.

The behavior of the mob is very odd because if we back up a couple of verses to keep the story in context (vv. 19-22) we find that Elisha had just performed a miracle to cleanse the water supply (hardly the act of a cold hearted man who would kill children), and they responded to this by hurling insults at him. Why would they do that?

There's Jewish historical documentation of certain people making a great profit by supplying fresh water to the town. Elisha had just put them out of business by cleansing the town's current water supply. The mob had then come to confront Elisha.

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But if you apply Elisha to type of Christ, what a marvelous picture!

A. Healing the Bad Water of Jericho

First, Elisha healed the bad water of Jericho (2 Kings 2:19-22). Jericho signifies Satan, and with Satan everything is death, including the water. But the bad water of Jericho was healed according to the word of Elisha and became good water, water that gave life.

The first miracle the Lord Jesus performed in the Gospel of John was the changing of water into wine (2:3-11). The significance of this miracle is the changing of death into life.

B. Calling the Things Not Being as Being

Next, Elisha called the things not being as being (2 Kings 4:1-7, 8-17, 42-44; cf. Matt. 14:14-21; 15:32-39; Rom. 4:17b). In particular, Elisha called things not being as being when he produced many vessels of oil from one vessel. The Lord Jesus did the same thing in principle. In Matthew 14 and 15 He fed multitudes with a few loaves and fishes.

In this matter also Elisha was a type of the Lord Jesus in the New Testament age.

C. Resurrecting the Dead from Death

Elisha also resurrected the dead from death (2 Kings 4:18-37; cf. Heb. 11:35; Luke 7:11-17; John 11:41-44; Rom. 4:17b). The Lord Jesus has resurrected millions of persons, including us (John 5:25).

D. Nullifying the Poison of the Wild Gourds with Flour

When the disciples of Elisha were short of food, they cooked a stew with poisonous gourds. Elisha nullified the poison of the wild gourds with flour (2 Kings 4:38-41). In principle, the Lord Jesus did the same thing for His disciples. He warned them, saying, "Watch and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees" (Matt. 16:6-12), and He healed the disciples with Himself as the fine flour.

E. Healing Leprosy

In 2 Kings 5 Elisha healed a case of leprosy (Luke 4:27). The Lord Jesus did the same thing in His ministry (Matt. 11:5; 8:1-4; Luke 17:11-19).

F. Floating with a Wooden Stick the Ax Head That Had Fallen into the Waters

In 2 Kings 6:1-7 Elisha floated with a wooden stick an ax head that had fallen into the waters. This signifies Christ recovering with His cross, in resurrection, the power of sinners that had fallen into the death water. As sinners, we lost our "ax head," our power, but Christ has recovered this lost power in resurrection with the "wooden stick" of His cross.

G. Cursing the Mocking Boys

In 2 Kings 2:23-24 Elisha cursed the mocking boys to be torn up by two female bears out of the woods. Those who think that the Lord Jesus did not do the same thing in principle need to read the Gospel of Matthew again. Matthew 3:12 says that the wheat will be gathered into the Lord's barn but that He will burn the chaff with unquenchable fire. To be sure, this burning of the chaff is a curse. Furthermore, in Matthew 12:31-32, 34 the Lord Jesus warned the Pharisees concerning an unforgivable sin, the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. In Matthew 23 He spoke eight woes to the scribes and Pharisees. This was His curse to them.

By all of the foregoing we can see that Elisha was a very accurate type of Christ. Elisha changed the age in type, and the Lord Jesus did the same thing in fulfillment. Today we are in the changed age, the age of the fulfillment of God's New Testament economy.

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Jun 17 2015, 08:47 AM)
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There's Jewish historical documentation of certain people making a great profit by supplying fresh water to the town. Elisha had just put them out of business by cleansing the town's current water supply. The mob had then come to confront Elisha.

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ha I missed this additional part.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 17 2015, 08:56 AM)
ha I missed this additional part.
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This is indeed a hetic week for me. All things come in 1 time with the sudden iso audit and 1 of my staff resign without any notice. Furthermore, i have yet to complete my phd assignment. Feeling pressure so much

Please pray for me..
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ok will do. GOD I pray that wujoy9 will able to see that GOD is bigger than all wujoy9 problems. Problems are temporary, but GOD is everlasting. In Jesus name we prayed and agree: Amin ! flex.gif
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Well, based on this history, the Mob may have wanted Elisha's Life.

42 group of youngsters is no joke against 1 Man.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 16 2015, 11:57 PM)
Dude, I thought we agreed on the # IGNORE MODE ON.  brows.gif

Well, it was obvious that its not for kron ka.  laugh.gif

oh man...You have wicked sense of humour and tons of patience.

I wish I was more like that instead of  vmad.gif  vmad.gif  vmad.gif all the time.

Its like I'm having PMS everyday.  laugh.gif
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Sigh,

I have my terrible and inhumane flaws as well.

I tell God about it, He knows that I don't hide it before him in prayers. I will always say " Dear God, you know I've done this and that......"

Sometimes it eats me inside but that's when I hear God the clearest, reminding me of his Son.

It's not about me, it's about Him. That encourages me to move on.

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2 mama bears protected Elisha from a gangster mob? O_O
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i read bible sometimes, there is a phrase like god sent 2 bears to maul 42 children, why?
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Interesting.......I was just reading an article a few weeks back that also contained 2 bears & the 42 youths smile.gif :

When Mocking Turns to Judgment

By Matt Leasher

In recent years the Christian faith has been under attack and ridiculed more so than in any other time period since its beginnings in the 1st century. This is largely due to the popularity of the doctrine of the Rapture. To the unbelieving secular world, the Rapture of the church is a thing of fantasy and fairy tales and has become the focus of their mocking and ridicule.

Recent evidence of this has been made manifest in the mainstream entertainment world with movies like Rapture Palooza and This Is the End where the Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ are grossly mocked.

Shortly prior to this was the entire Harold Camping fiasco where he and his followers went on a nationwide campaign declaring that Judgment Day was coming on May 21, 2011 and then when that didn’t happen he changed it to October 21, 2011.

This caused many of the Rapture scorners to mockingly paraphrase Peter’s prophetic statement from his second epistle saying:

“Knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, ‘Where is the promise of His coming?’” (2 Peter 3:3-4).


Little do they know but the Rapture mockers actually helped to fulfill that prophecy themselves biggrin.gif

In a more recent account, Bible prophecy came under ridicule due to a comment from Michele Bachmann when the former congresswoman said that the Obama Administration’s poor relationship with Israel and their nuclear deal with Iran would help to usher in the biblical end-times and the return of Jesus Christ.

This time the mocking came right from our president himself, which isn’t surprising nor was it the first time! The ignorance of the Rapture mockers is truly a sad state of affairs because there is soon coming a Day when all of their mocking is going to turn into severe Judgment.

“Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap” (Galatians 6:7).

Since most of the Rapture mockers are ignorant to Scripture, they more likely are also ignorant to the fact that the Scriptures point out that the mockers themselves will be judged. In fact, to be more specific there are even various Scriptures that point out that the “Rapture mockers” will be judged!

One of those Scripture passages is an Old Testament example, which shows that a Rapture was mocked even when it was seen by others. That example can be found in 2 Kings chapter 2 when the prophet Elijah is bodily translated up to heaven in the site of his assistant Elisha and a group of prophets from Jericho. At the end of the chapter we find Elisha walking along a wooded road on his way to Bethel from Jericho when a band of rebellious youths came upon him and began to mock him.

“Then he went up from there to Bethel and as he was going up the road, some youths came from the city and mocked him, and said to him, ‘Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!’ So he turned around and looked at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the Lord. And two female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths” (2 Kings 2:23-24).

Now before we evaluate the above passage, it must be first pointed out that this is before the Age of Grace in which we are currently living in, and in those times God’s judgment often came—immediately. Whereas today, it is reserved and has been laid upon His Son. It is also important to note that in the above passage the “youths” are not tender young boys but most likely rugged young men traveling in a group of at least forty-two like a marauding gang.

The Hebrew word used for “youths” is also the same term used for Solomon in 1 Kings 3:7 denoting him as a young man. Another point of interest is that the gang is coming from "the city" in Bethel, which at that time was the chief center of pagan calf-worship.

This idolatrous gang had collectively ganged up on Elisha and mocked him to “go up, baldhead, go up, baldhead", treating the prophet as an outcast and mocking him to go up to heaven as Elijah did, even though they were not among the witnesses that had seen Elijah go up.

Elisha had likely had his head shaved bald as a consecration to God, (perhaps the same consecration vow that Paul had taken in Acts 18:18). The youths may have recognized this and wanted him gone, considering Elisha as an adversary to their pagan based homeland. Elisha (whose name means “God is salvation”), then pronounced a curse onto them in obedience to Deuteronomy 27:14-26 which required God’s ministers to curse the disobedient. However, it was God that executed the judgment upon this wicked group of mockers, not Elisha's curse or the appetite of the she-bears.

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In fact, when this Age of Grace is over, God will likely use wild animals again in executing His Judgment upon a Christ rejecting world. In Revelation 6:8 it says that ‘the beasts of the earth” will take part in the widespread death that will occur in the beginning portion of the Tribulation.

There are many parallels in the above passage and the mocking that goes on today. The unbelieving world that chooses to mock the Rapture and God's ministers are usually derived from atheistic groups or pagan based cultures that worship money and material things rather than God and treat the ministers of God as weak-minded outcasts. I can't count how many times I've been told by unbelievers, "I'll believe it when I see it", in regards to the Rapture.

My response is this: “At that point it will be too late, and you'll be on the wrong side of the fence!” The most important difference between the above 2 Kings 2 passage and today is that we are not to curse the mockers but to pray for them, for they are lost in darkness and do not realize the seriousness of their folly.

The role of the Church today is to be both a beacon of light with the Good News of the gospel of Jesus Christ and to also be watchmen on the wall proclaiming the lateness of the hour and closeness of God’s wrath and judgment before its too late. This is what Noah did for a hundred and twenty years before the Flood and it is also interesting to note that Enoch, who is a picture of the Church, was also raptured before the Judgment came (Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5).

It is important to know, understand and expect that we will be mocked when we minister and warn the lost world around us, but it is God that will get the last Word.

“And the Lord God of their fathers sent warnings to them by His messengers, rising up early and sending them, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place. But they mocked the messengers of God, despised His words, and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against His people, till there was no remedy” (2 Chronicles 36:15-16).

While this passage is speaking of the debase spiritual condition of Israel just before the fall of Jerusalem from the Babylonians, it can be paralleled with today’s condition of the world and its rejection of the church's message of salvation through Christ alone and the soon to come judgment upon this world. Just like then, messengers of God are mocked, His Word, (the Bible) is despised and the word of the prophets are scoffed at.

The one and only difference between that passage and now is that “His people” (the Church), are not appointed to His wrath, (1 Thessalonians 1:10; 1 Thessalonians 5:9).

However, the rest of the world will be and there will be no remedy once it begins! There will still be a chance to come to Christ and secure one’s own eternal destiny, but nothing will be able to stop or alter the sequence of judgments that are recorded in Revelation chapters 6 to 19. It is written, and it will happen just as it is written.

The role of the church is and always has been to relay the life-saving Word of God to a lost world but more and more the world at large has rejected and even mocked those that have made it their will to share the gospel. What many of the mockers don’t realize is that they are not just mocking the “messengers” but God Himself who gave the message.

“Will it be well when He searches you out? Or can you mock Him as one mocks a man?” (Job 13:9).

The message of the coming Rapture of the Church has become a fantasized joke to the unbelieving world with the Church made out to be the goof-balls. However, the message of the Rapture is actually from the Lord not from a church. The Holy Spirit wrote it, the church just quotes it:

“For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord” (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17).

Notice that the most famous Rapture verse in the Bible starts off by saying that it comes from the Word of the Lord, as I have bolded those letters in the above verse. It wasn’t something that Paul had just conjured up and he made it vitally important to point out that it is from the Word of the Lord that this mystery is revealed to us. It is quite likely that Paul had received a personal “Word” from the Lord regarding the Rapture of the church, but Jesus also hinted at the Rapture when He said:

“Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also” (John 14:1-3).

Jesus could only have been speaking about the Rapture here because when He returns at the Second Coming, He is coming down to earth to set up His Kingdom and reign for one thousand years. Yet in the above verse Jesus says that He will receive His disciples to Himself, to where He is, and to the place where His Father’s house is, that He has prepared for us. That can only be Heaven and that can only be at the time of the Rapture when the Bridegroom comes to get His Bride.

For us, the Church, it should be no surprise that we are mocked when we preach Christ and the Rapture to the unbelieving world because if they mocked Him then they will certainly mock us. Christ was mocked to the degree of being dressed in a purple robe, given a reed in His right hand and had a crown of thorns twisted on His head (Matthew 27:29).

They mocked Him as an earthly king, yet little did they realize that they were mocking the King of Kings and Creator of the Universe. Since the Church is His Bride, then we too can expect to be mocked while here on earth, (John 15:20), but we will be crowned with Him in glory when that Day arrives that He calls us home (1 John 3:2).

Since the very beginning of the Church Age the unbelieving world has been mocking the Church. In fact, on the very day that the Holy Spirit fell upon the disciples on Pentecost, they began to speak in tongues and when the unbelieving multitude heard it, they accused the disciples of being early morning drunkards.

“Others mocking said, ‘They are full of new wine’” (Acts 2:13).

From the very first moment of the beginning of the Church Age, the Church had immediately been mocked and accused of being drunkards. To be a drunkard means to not be of a sound mind due to alcohol consumption, but the Word of God declares that the Church has been given a divinely inspired sound mind, (with no alcohol needed)!

“For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind” (2 Timothy 1:7).

The Church often comes under scrutiny from the academic community as the Bible is constantly being put under interrogation by atheistic professors and evolutionist. The doctrine of the resurrection and the Rapture are especially mocked among academic scholars and this has been going on ever since the apostle Paul first presented the gospel to the philosophers of ancient Greece:

“And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, ‘We will hear you again on this matter’” (Acts 17:32).

The academic community tends to ridicule Christian apologists for devoting so much time to defending the Bible and the truths therein, yet they either give no time themselves to delving into these matters or they spend just as much time refuting it. They have turned the comforting promise of the Rapture into a ridicule against Christians to make us look foolish and alienated.

Those who mock the Resurrection, Rapture and the Word of God are clearly without the Spirit of God or they would have the proper discernment to know better (Romans 8:16). And to be without the Spirit of God is to be unsaved and living under the wrath and condemnation of God. For the Lord says:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent” (1 Corinthians 1:19).

The knowledge of the Rapture of the Church has been gaining momentum as that day draws more near, which has allowed for the mocking against it to increase as well. By this we know that we are in the last days as both Peter and Jude have warned that this would happen:

“Knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation” (2 Peter 3:3-4).

“But you, beloved, remember the words which were spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ: how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts. These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit” (Jude 17-19).

These prophetic verses are confirmation to the age that we are living in and the lateness of the hour just before God judges this earth and He comes to set up His Kingdom. For those that know Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior, this is good news.

“To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation” (Hebrews 9:28b.)

But for those that reject Christ…this is the beginning of sorrows! The prophets wrote about the coming Judgment of this world and Isaiah gave a sobering message to the mockers of God:

“Now therefore, do not be mockers, Lest your bonds be made strong; For I have heard from the Lord God of hosts, a destruction determined even upon the whole earth” (Isaiah 28:22).

I can’t stress the importance of knowing and accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior today. For we do not know what tomorrow brings but we are assured that there is coming a Judgment upon this world like this world has never seen and you do not want to be among those that that destruction is appointed for.

The Lord finds no pleasure in the death of the wicked but that the wicked turn from their ways and live (Ezekiel 33:11). If you are a mocker of God, His Word and the coming Rapture, you can change that today by asking Christ Jesus into your heart and allowing Him to change you into a new creation and to bless you with the discernment of the Truth of His Word.

As His new creation the words of your mouth will be transformed from the renewal of your mind to words of peace and praise rather than words of ridicule and mockery.

“If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved” (Romans 10:9-10).

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 16 2015, 10:42 PM)
I am kind of a neutral person here. But at times I am sorry to say, when De is in debating mode, best option is to just let him win.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 16 2015, 10:45 PM)
Its not the point of winning or losing. I cannot stand it when someone is talking nonsense.   tongue.gif
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Thanks, i am not looking for winning, but to express what is inside my head.
I think you know me right ? i always say you can keep your version of truth, i keep my version of truth...

after pray...pray...pray...pray...pray... finally i got the bible verse to display my case:

Matthew 10:37New International Version (NIV)
37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Exodus 20:12
"Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the LORD your God is giving you.
Ephesians 6:1
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right


case study:
a daughter with boyfriend goes to bible study . The father already tell before that by 10PM must be at home. Well guess what... the bible study start at 7PM and continues with prayer night meetings. It all goes allll until 2AM in the morning.

Question:
which one is christian pleasure ? to obey parent ? or to pray the whole night ?

That is why in introduced word GOD's pleasure:
For Miss A, GOD wants her to keep praying and just sms the father telling that she has to attend prayer meeting until completed.
for Miss B, GOD wants her to go home and obey her father.

so if Miss A decided to go home, it's not GOD's pleasure but still Christian pleasure. Obeying parent is christian pleasure right ?
so if Miss B decided to use matthew 10:37, it's not GOD's pleasure but still Christian pleasure. praying and bible study is christian pleasure right ?

--- i hope you understand what's inside my head. Thanks for being patience notworthy.gif

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i remembered hearing a sermon whereby the preacher said one thing he doesn't want to do is to share his heart.

Jeremiah 17:9
“The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?

So, as a preacher, he spends more time expounding on God's Word instead.
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i remembered hearing a sermon whereby the preacher said one thing he doesn't want to do is to share his heart.

Jeremiah 17:9
“The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?

So, as a preacher, he spends more time expounding on God's Word instead.
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wow something like de-javu ?

There is another guy asking Jeremiah 17:9 in christianforums.com. I already replied lenghty there so here is my explanation. btw: are you the same guy ?
http://www.christianforums.com/threads/the.../#post-68080804
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 17 2015, 04:18 PM)
Sigh,

I have my terrible and inhumane flaws as well.

I tell God about it, He knows that I don't hide it before him in prayers. I will always say " Dear God, you know I've done this and that......"

Sometimes it eats me inside but that's when I hear God the clearest, reminding me of his Son.

It's not about me, it's about Him. That encourages me to move on.

haha.  biggrin.gif
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So its better to be a humble person instead of bragging to others.

Jesus is the perfect example of this.

Yeah, I prayed out to God for everything.

We need encouragement from one another.

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 17 2015, 09:54 PM)
Can't go to Shanghai, msia exchange rate so bad. Some more co don't allow me to take leave. Wish i can, but hmm its a good idea. Anyways, I wish i can bring my new gf along....but we can't sleep in the same room, and if i book two rooms = double the cost. Some more parents object to us going one to one to a trip overseas, because they afraid we both may end up...you know lah. She's still young being 1 1/2 decades younger than me. Anyways i got to respect her parent's wishes, its for the future.

Taichi means a colleague shifts the dirty work or blame to you when its not your work or your part.

The economy i slow this year because....oil prices have fallen. Msia economy relies heavily on oil exports. And because of our high debt. GST has some impact too.

She took my messenger, screen shot and showed it to the bosses.
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What kind of company that don't allow its staff to take leave? rclxub.gif

So don't bring her along. Just take a holiday by yourself. hehe...

Oh so that's what taichi means. blush.gif

Hey if the oil prices has fallen, does that means consumer spending power becomes less? And if businesses are slowing down, does that mean they are going to decrease the prices of things? Then I can spend more because my buying power is more. icon_idea.gif

In Germany, VAT is 19%. Kinda like GST.

Your colleague quite a nasty person. If possible just ignore her.

Kinda like how I ignore certain poser in here. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jun 17 2015, 08:29 PM)
i remembered hearing a sermon whereby the preacher said one thing he doesn't want to do is to share his heart.

Jeremiah 17:9
“The heart is deceitful above all things,
And desperately wicked;
Who can know it?

So, as a preacher, he spends more time expounding on God's Word instead.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 17 2015, 08:58 PM)
So its better to be a humble person instead of bragging to others.

Jesus is the perfect example of this.

Yeah, I prayed out to God for everything.

We need encouragement from one another.
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Actually what I'm practicing is a bible principal.

2 Corinthians 11:30

Something you can as well.

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If i take leave, my mailbox will explode as i receive 100 emails a day.
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do you use ms outlook rules to separate incoming emails based on to and cc ? if your email is in cc, it always lower priorities... if your email is in to, it always higher priority compared to cc ones.
always attend email with your name on the to section

tell me do you have 100 emails with your name on the to section ?


QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 17 2015, 11:32 PM)
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I wish i have your kind of job, you can work anytime you like and earn Euro dollars
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try this website:
http://www.peopleperhour.com/

it allows you to work from home for most of the IT / design works. things than can be done remotely and does not require face-to-face with customer.
It has safety mechanism to display who is the preferred vendor / customer.

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Hi guys, need some advice here...

I've recently moved to a new condo. A few days ago, I saw a "red small temple" installed next to the guard house (inside the condo's compound). These "red temples" are commonly found inside small chinese shops.

This is affecting me as it seems that I am staying in a demon-owned condo. I checked with the management on who funded and installed it, he said he will check and revert. Now he is not picking up my calls.

Please advise if this is legal?

Thanks.
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Hi guys, need some advice here...

I've recently moved to a new condo. A few days ago, I saw a "red small temple" installed next to the guard house (inside the condo's compound). These "red temples" are commonly found inside small chinese shops.

This is affecting me as it seems that I am staying in a demon-owned condo. I checked with the management on who funded and installed it, he said he will check and revert. Now he is not picking up my calls.

Please advise if this is legal?

Thanks.
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Why do you worry?
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Why do you worry?
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You need to identify the root cause of this problem and deal at the root cause.

Fear of something and why lack of Faith could stem from condemnation. Perhaps you feel condemned that you have not done enough or obeyed God enough to gain God's favor. Under the New Covenant, there's no such thing. It is your Faith that grants you access to the Holy Sanctuary of God. Your Believe, simply put.

God never gave us the spirit of fear, neither does He causes lack of faith, for whatever reasons.

That sort of fear is only from the devil. Sometimes we are the one at fault for lack of Faith, due to hearing opinions from people and self condemnation.

What you need to do is trust in the word of God completely, rejecting opinions of Man, rejecting whatever voices that forms in your head that causes fear or discouragement.

The word of God say the one who lives in you is greater than all the devils combined in this world. The word of God also says There is therefore NOW no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, meaning those who belong to God.

God gave you his promises for protection in the sense that, the devil cannot touch you without his sovereign permission.

Thus, you don't have to worry if there are altars wherever you go.

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I have very weak faith
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 17 2015, 11:18 PM)
Actually what I'm practicing is a bible principal.

2 Corinthians 11:30

Something you can as well.
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Oh so this verse actually tells us that Paul only boasts because his enemies is taunting him (The Corinthians). He is confident that his weak points are stronger than their strong ones. - Ellicott's Commentary

QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 17 2015, 11:32 PM)
The type of company that cut staff until i have to do 3 person job and no time to take leave. If i take leave, my mailbox will explode as i receive 100 emails a day. I want to look for jobs but economy not so good. Most of the jobs i see, are not from good companies.

If i go alone...it be very boring. I tell you, in the past i been so bad at rships but i felt that this girl absolutely adores me, i just dunno why. I wonder what she (new gf) sees in me? Maybe because i take joy in making her feel good about herself. Yeah, I really like to romance her. My pride is down because I feel i can lose my job anytime. I feeling a lot of work pressure. My boss is just passing all the work to me and i cant cope. I just am afraid what if i lose my job, what should i tell her? She (new gf) probably is ok and is supportive but i not sure her parents would feel the same way, of course they have every right, they want the best for their daughter. I need to work hard to prove to them i can support her.

I wish i have your kind of job, you can work anytime you like and earn Euro dollars. I really feel persecuted and bullied at my workplace. Those at my company earning 30k a month, gets to work 6 hours a day and have a good time. While I am saddled with so much work, nobody is cooperating with me because moral at my co is slow due to staff cuts.

That shows how bad msia economy is, 6% also our employers are starting to cut down on recruitment. When oil price go down, government revenue go down, then not able to service debt repayment and fiscal spending reduce, cause contraction of economy. Some more consumer debt so high exacerbated by GST...cause consumers to spend less. If government and spending is low then where else could $$$ flow in? From foreign countries...but investment declining because USA is planning to increase interest rates, more foreign investors pulling out hot money from our economy to go back to USA.

Yeah the colleague lady is nasty, she pretend to be the victim, cry me a river..type. I was fooled into telling her my problems, then the colleague lady screen shot them and showed them to my big boss. Now i lose favour among the company. This colleague lady is evil. Oh Father I pray you will punish this evil colleague lady while i repent for my actions for using some not very nice choice of words at her.

While the "poser" here, he can be quite stubborn but i don't think he is that bad. He's just being err...probably attention seeking? But i think he is ok person.
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Huh, that's a typical Chinaman company mindset right? But some MNCs are also using "Chinaman" tactics to squeeze every blood and sweat out of employees nowadays.

I think jobs are available...but its just that maybe some are choosy or employers are only looking for cheap labour?

Don't you have 2 properties if I'm not mistaken? You can rent it out. I rent out my condo to an expat for RM6k++ (fully furnished).

Wow even I don't earn RM30k a month for 6 hours per day. Less than that though, which is enough.

Even the Singapore dollar is higher value than ringgit.

Too much politics here. Enough said.

Ah just pray to God for guidance and protection.

I will ignore the last part. Not a concern of mine.
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 18 2015, 11:07 PM)
Here all the employers are looking for cheap labour.

Yes i have 2 properties but i still have to pay the loan instalment and one of them still in construction. I don't like to rent fully furnish, some tenants are very troublesome, they may not like the furniture. And then the furniture can get spoilt, next tenant come you have to change them. Fussy tenant sometime will request to change furniture.

Yeah lah so much politics, why you want to stay here? If i have access to Germany, i rather go back. Seriously Malaysia here is suffocating. If it weren't for my family, i be long gone to Australia.
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I thoroughly checked potential tenants via friends and my expat networking community.

I'm not too worried about the furnitures, I just get cheap ones from Ikea. icon_idea.gif

I just want to get my PR, after 5 years still unsuccessful. laugh.gif

They told me I need to stay 10 years and more. shocking.gif

Besides that I'm interested in investing in properties, businesses, etc.

There's restrictions for foreigners when it comes to buying properties. If not for the restrictions, I would have buy those RM500K++ properties in a snap.

The Malaysian PR have this point system. I managed to get 85 points out of 120.

I do go back to Germany, twice a year.

Actually working in Malaysia for an expat is not that bad, minus the traffic and terrible weather. Besides there are various type of food and the beaches are nice. Cheap holiday destination, shopping also ok la.

Malaysia kehidupan nya bagus, tempat tempat cantik, makanan nya enak, saya suka. laugh.gif

Yeah my BM is horrible. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 18 2015, 10:42 PM)
Oh so this verse actually tells us that Paul only boasts because his enemies is taunting him (The Corinthians). He is confident that his weak points are stronger than their strong ones.  - Ellicott's Commentary
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That's because the world looks up to what Man deem as great. The Strongest, the fastest, the tallest, Richest, I know more scriptures than you stuff, I'm more righteous than you, etc.
It's hard to be humble at times because that's the nature of our flesh. The corrupted part that wants to glorify self.


God doesn't. God looks towards our weaknesses. If we are willing to be honest and admit it before God, that's where his grace and strength can flow.
I can say in this context, our strength is a hindrance to this part of God's blessing. (2 Corinthians 12:9)

Those who keep on boasting what they can do or cannot do before God (I can love you God I will never leave you God like Peter), need to contemplate on this Bible principal of admitting own weaknesses fervently.

The more they try to boast, the more it will hinder God's blessing of strength and grace.

Read 2 Corinthians 12:1-10.
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QUOTE(iconic123 @ Jun 18 2015, 04:27 PM)
I have very weak faith
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Hi Bro, do you understand what I've shared?
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 19 2015, 10:14 AM)
Forget about PR in Msia. Unless u r...I can't say la...its close to impossible. I have an Indian expatriate who lived here for 15 years. People thought he is local but he hails from India, because his BM is so good, he work until high level directorship and got PHD qualification, he apply for PR went interview until now also cannot get. Our Msia not value high skill people. You look at the immigrants in Sabah lah, what kind of people we give PR to...

In Msia, IKEA is high class furniture, do u know that? I know, I lived iN Australia, IKEA is cheap furniture there. But here, only the middle and high class snap up the IKEA furniture, rest go to those road side factory shop

Best go back to Germany n enjoy full democratic values instead of here.

tempat cantik? Msians are litterbugs...go to our waterfalls like Tekala and Gabai n see how much garbage thrown there.

Properties will no longer be good for investment, there's a bubble in China and interest rate is going up.

Kehidupan here getting worse. Economy going down. Govt dunno how to introduce any incentive to boost economy except GST.
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Ikea is High Class?

To me it's low class quality.
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 19 2015, 10:18 AM)
True its low class.

But look the PRICE !!!! Like high class furniture !!!!
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No what I mean is .....Good Design but low quality bcos it doesn't last long.

Easy to patah.
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That's because the world looks up to what Man deem as great. The Strongest, the fastest, the tallest, Richest, I know more scriptures than you stuff, I'm more righteous than you, etc.
It's hard to be humble at times because that's the nature of our flesh. The corrupted part that wants to glorify self.
God doesn't. God looks towards our weaknesses. If we are willing to be honest and admit it before God, that's where his grace and strength can flow.
I can say in this context, our strength is a hindrance to this part of God's blessing. (2 Corinthians 12:9)

Those who keep on boasting what they can do or cannot do before God (I can love you God I will never leave you God like Peter), need to contemplate on this Bible principal of admitting own weaknesses fervently.

The more they try to boast, the more it will hinder God's blessing of strength and grace.

Read 2 Corinthians 12:1-10.
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Oh so I was reading this Corinthians, these people in Corinth were boasting about their visions, relevations ,etc. But Paul kept quiet about it. They criticised Paul because they think he didn't have these visions..or maybe because he's being humble, did not want to tell them about it?

Why does Paul being the humble servant of God, talk in the third person manner?

Paul did not seem bother to win a debate as well because that would be considered as "boasting." He could easily win over his opponents but he held back, just like you said. When a men pride is at stake, they want to boast by being the smartest, richest, etc..

So when we rely too much on our own strength we can't win because of our limitations. That's why we should rely on God's strength and grace.

QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 19 2015, 10:14 AM)
Forget about PR in Msia. Unless u r...I can't say la...its close to impossible. I have an Indian expatriate who lived here for 15 years. People thought he is local but he hails from India, because his BM is so good, he work until high level directorship and got PHD qualification, he apply for PR went interview until now also cannot get. Our Msia not value high skill people. You look at the immigrants in Sabah lah, what kind of people we give PR to...

In Msia, IKEA is high class furniture, do u know that? I know, I lived iN Australia, IKEA is cheap furniture there. But here, only the middle and high class snap up the IKEA furniture, rest go to those road side factory shop

If I am in your shoes, I would work here a while, then have long term plan to go back to Germany. So good can enjoy full democratic values there.

tempat cantik? Msians are litterbugs...go to our waterfalls like Tekala and Gabai n see how much garbage thrown there.

Properties will no longer be good for investment, there's a bubble in China and interest rate is going up.

Kehidupan here getting worse. Economy going down. Govt dunno how to introduce any incentive to boost economy except GST.
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Oh so the PR goes to..... doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

IKEA high class?

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If I want high class furniture I buy German brand la. laugh.gif

Its not that I would not want to go back, I want to explore the world. I'll probably find a job in China or USA next year. So, goodbye Malaysia.

Ya, tempat cantik. Mount Kinabalu, Pangkor Island, Batu Caves, Christ Church Malacca, Tioman Island, Sunway Pyramid, KLCC..

Are you kidding me? People constantly looking for condo units for rent.

So can't the Govt print more money? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 19 2015, 11:20 PM)
Oh so I was reading this Corinthians, these people in Corinth were boasting about their visions, relevations ,etc. But Paul kept quiet about it. They criticised Paul because they think he didn't have these visions..or maybe because he's being humble, did not want to tell them about it?

Why does Paul being the humble servant of God, talk in the third person manner?

Paul did not seem bother to win a debate as well because that would be considered as "boasting." He could easily win over his opponents but he held back, just like you said. When a men pride is at stake, they want to boast by being the smartest, richest, etc..

So when we rely too much on our own strength we can't win because of our limitations. That's why we should rely on God's strength and grace.
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The truth is, if we rely on our own strength at all.....if you get my meaning.

Read

Jeremiah 17:5

Look in the context "who draws strength from...."

Then remember earlier I shared with you about our strength being a HINDRANCE? Then you will understand why Paul boasted in his weaknesses. Connect all the verse together.


I really cringe whenever preachers exhort the crowd "You got to love God with all your Heart, All your soul and All your Mind" without understanding why Jesus gave that in the early chapters of the 4 gospels.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 20 2015, 08:50 AM)
The truth is, if we rely on our own strength at all.....if you get my meaning.

Read

Jeremiah 17:5

Look in the context "who draws strength from...."

Then remember earlier I shared with you about our strength being a HINDRANCE? Then you will understand why Paul boasted in his weaknesses. Connect all the verse together.
I really cringe whenever preachers exhort the crowd "You got to love God with all your Heart, All your soul and All your Mind" without understanding why Jesus gave that in the early chapters of the 4 gospels.
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Yeah dude I get your meaning. I was just re-emphasizing your point earlier.

QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 20 2015, 09:34 AM)
Yeah PR is going to go down the drain.

Good on you, go explore the world. Say what happen to the San Francisco guy? Don't want to give him a try?

I always have this fear that the people who come look for rent will dry up. There are certain races that i will avoid renting to, besides Arabs, Iranians and Nigerians.
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Oh the wedding is still on. tongue.gif

Really? There's always people looking for condo to rent.

shocking.gif That's just a typical generalization. Of course not all of them are like that. Just the bad hats.

Well, I don't rent out to guys and family. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 20 2015, 04:47 PM)
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Yeah dude I get your meaning. I was just re-emphasizing your point earlier.

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laugh.gif Maybe I didn't get yours. Too much would mean some strength is relied on in contrast with little and too much.

Chill Chill.


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So when we rely too much on our own strength we can't win because of our limitations. That's why we should rely on God's strength and grace.


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laugh.gif Maybe I didn't get yours. Too much would mean some strength is relied on in contrast with little and too much.

Chill Chill.
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Dude, you didn't read my sentence till the end. Didn't you emphasize about - instead of relying on human's strength, we should rely on God's strength?

So when we rely too much on our own strength we can't win because of our limitations.

I know I'm cool dude. hehe...

QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jun 20 2015, 09:20 PM)
So fast wedding, you just met the dude.

Anyway congrats.

See the market how la, if economy downturn doesn't mean a lot of people will rent. In fact they will request you to lower the rental rate.

Actually why do you want to buy property when you getting married and going to live overseas?
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Just met? I'm skyping with my fiance since March. hehe...Wedding is next December 2016.

Really? I just rent out according to market price. For investment and I still want to have at least one place for accommodation in Malaysia. Plus, I still fond of Malaysia.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 21 2015, 12:55 AM)
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Just met? I'm skyping with my fiance since March. hehe...Wedding is next December 2016.
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sorry busy body little bit Tina biggrin.gif
1. have you get aproval from ur parents about him ?
2. have you get approval from your caregroup abt him ?

you don't want ended up married somebody that does not lead you to CHRIST better than yesterday right ?

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 21 2015, 12:55 AM)
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Dude, you didn't read my sentence till the end. Didn't you emphasize about - instead of relying on human's strength, we should rely on God's strength?

So when we rely too much on our own strength we can't win because of our limitations.

I know I'm cool dude. hehe...
Just met? I'm skyping with my fiance since March. hehe...Wedding is next December 2016.

Really? I just rent out according to market price. For investment and I still want to have at least one place for accommodation in Malaysia. Plus, I still fond of Malaysia.
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I surrender.  notworthy.gif

Rule of the thumb. Never argue with a Girl/Woman.
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Not sure if serious or not when you say never argue with a woman laugh.gif

I also dunno why we're so fearsome tongue.gif
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Not sure if serious or not when you say never argue with a woman laugh.gif

I also dunno why we're so fearsome tongue.gif
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For anyone who dabbles with digital art

https://krita.org/

This program is a hybrid of SAI and Photoshop. Best of all it's freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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Wow not bad, March 2015? Just 3 months, you can marry the guy whom you just met a few times and skype with him?

Way to go, girl !
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I've met him before in Shangrila Hotel, KL. Remember when I told the story "Mrs. Cheeky?" laugh.gif

He's ABC. American born Chinese. Not the dessert. hehe...

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 21 2015, 09:42 PM)
I surrender.  notworthy.gif

Rule of the thumb. Never argue with a Girl/Woman.
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Sometimes when I translate my thoughts from German to English, it may sound weird or off. sweat.gif

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I am currently a lecturer in a private college.

Being small, i was given a position head of academic...multi tasking

Even i have 7yrs exp and doing my phd now, i felt v stress

1. One of my staff resigned without any notice and i need to cover all the subjects
2. The college will be audited by iso this week
3. My classes for phd on weekends and i have not finish my assignment yet
4. So many teaching hours and paper work to do
5. I have been looking for job but no response from the potential employer since 3 weeks ago.

Really cant stand the preasure.

I wished i could resign but i will be in a deep problem to pay installments for house then

Side income generates my living expenses only.

Everyday, early in the morning 6am, stress.....cant show my face to my gf tht im really stress...i can only sit in toilet n stress myself..

Please help me..... (T.T)
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QUOTE(wujoy9 @ Jun 23 2015, 06:19 AM)
I am currently a lecturer in a private  college.

Being small, i was given a position head of academic...multi tasking

Even i have 7yrs exp and doing my phd now, i felt v stress

1. One of my staff resigned without any notice and i need to cover  all the subjects
2. The college will be audited by iso this week
3. My classes for phd on weekends and i have not finish my assignment yet
4. So many teaching hours and paper work to do
5. I have been looking for job but no response from the potential employer since 3 weeks ago.

Really cant stand the preasure.

I wished i could resign but i will be in a deep problem to pay installments for house then

Side income generates my living expenses only.

Everyday, early in the morning 6am, stress.....cant show my face to my gf tht im really stress...i can only sit in toilet n stress myself..

Please help me..... (T.T)
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Have you discussed your overloaded task with your superior? I would suggest you to speak to him/her first, as this situation is bad for both parties.

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Have you discussed your overloaded task with your superior? I would suggest you to speak to him/her first, as this situation is bad for both parties.
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My superior is also fully loaded and just wait time to burst.

I felt i am not productive now.daily find jobs..

Vv tiring
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QUOTE(wujoy9 @ Jun 23 2015, 06:19 AM)
I am currently a lecturer in a private  college.

Being small, i was given a position head of academic...multi tasking

Even i have 7yrs exp and doing my phd now, i felt v stress

1. One of my staff resigned without any notice and i need to cover  all the subjects
2. The college will be audited by iso this week
3. My classes for phd on weekends and i have not finish my assignment yet
4. So many teaching hours and paper work to do
5. I have been looking for job but no response from the potential employer since 3 weeks ago.

Really cant stand the preasure.

I wished i could resign but i will be in a deep problem to pay installments for house then

Side income generates my living expenses only.

Everyday, early in the morning 6am, stress.....cant show my face to my gf tht im really stress...i can only sit in toilet n stress myself..

Please help me..... (T.T)
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You stress because you focus on fear of unemployment.

When i pray to GOD for you, the job load will "stay as is". So the overal calculation is: if you fear, your positive energy is multiplied by 0.1 ... meaning your strenthg will be only 10%... then your senses will response as danger is imminent...

But if you choose not to dwell in fear, then you will "feel" than your strength is abundant.

mindset brother... mindset biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(wujoy9 @ Jun 23 2015, 06:19 AM)
I am currently a lecturer in a private  college.

Being small, i was given a position head of academic...multi tasking

Even i have 7yrs exp and doing my phd now, i felt v stress

1. One of my staff resigned without any notice and i need to cover  all the subjects
2. The college will be audited by iso this week
3. My classes for phd on weekends and i have not finish my assignment yet
4. So many teaching hours and paper work to do
5. I have been looking for job but no response from the potential employer since 3 weeks ago.

Really cant stand the preasure.

I wished i could resign but i will be in a deep problem to pay installments for house then

Side income generates my living expenses only.

Everyday, early in the morning 6am, stress.....cant show my face to my gf tht im really stress...i can only sit in toilet n stress myself..

Please help me..... (T.T)
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I presume that you're a Christian......

Surrender this worry to God then pray for what you need and stop worrying about it.

When you refuse to worry, it is an act of Faith on your part and God (as far as I know) is faithful to what He says that He will act when you put your trust.

I know easier said than done but you'll gain nothing either by being stressed out so might as well embark on this Faith journey.

cheers bro.

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I'm having a personal existential crisis. Well, had this before and it didn't completely go away.

I feel 'generic', as in if the world plunges into chaos I will be stuffed at the lowest category of people. Common. Faceless. No value. Not any influential politician or academic.

It's the odd position of being unique and yet not. There are so many others with the skills and expertise that I have. The personality I have and so on so on.

If I'm gone, the hole I leave behind eventually gets filled by someone else. That's how I feel.
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I'm having a personal existential crisis. Well, had this before and it didn't completely go away.

I feel 'generic', as in if the world plunges into chaos I will be stuffed at the lowest category of people. Common. Faceless. No value. Not any influential politician or academic.

It's the odd position of being unique and yet not. There are so many others with the skills and expertise that I have. The personality I have and so on so on.

If I'm gone, the hole I leave behind eventually gets filled by someone else. That's how I feel.
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This is a common trait of identity issue. You are not secured on how GOD looks at you. You are not secured with your identity in Christ.

because i know you since V7 or V6... do you remember we have argued in the past about (i put in bold) the strong one rules issues ?. You told me:
1. The the strong one rules issues is darwinian
2. the strong one rules issues does not display humbleness

well, humble and identity are two different things. Darwinian is irrelevant. You need to boast (well, my language is the strong one rules issues) about your identity in Christ. If you don't boast, then, like glass, is either filled with water (CHRIST) or filled with emptiness (something else)

google keyword: boast in CHRIST, there is some verses in galatian something.


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Been some time since i was here, how everyone doing?

PS: congrats to you, Tina on your engagement biggrin.gif
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How are you dude? How's your ankle?

Thanks.

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I was pondering upon this verse, James 4: 1 - 12 (Warning Against Worldliness)

From this verse, God wants us to trust more in Him rather than we trusting in ourself. That we always desire and covet for the "wrong" things in life? That we often judged our neighbours too?

What God wants us to do:-

- Submit ourselves to Him faithfully.
- Be humble.


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 23 2015, 08:42 AM)
I presume that you're a Christian......

Surrender this worry to God then pray for what you need and stop worrying about it.

When you refuse to worry, it is an act of Faith on your part and God (as far as I know) is faithful to what He says that He will act when you put your trust.

I know easier said than done but you'll gain nothing either by being stressed out so might as well embark on this Faith journey.

cheers bro.
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Thanks bro

Yes..its my fear.

I tried not to worry yesterday after my working hour. But the same thing arise again this morning 6am when i wake.

Yesterday, i receive a bad news again whereby the government officer will come to audit in 2 weeks time.

Things kept on happening and its non stop...

I initially, i thought it will end after this Thursday. But another wave is coming after it.

Haiz...
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QUOTE(wujoy9 @ Jun 24 2015, 06:21 AM)
Thanks bro

Yes..its my fear.

I tried not to worry yesterday after my working hour. But the same thing arise again this morning 6am when i wake.

Yesterday, i receive a bad news again whereby the government officer will come to audit in 2 weeks time.

Things kept on happening and its non stop...

I initially, i thought it will end after this Thursday. But another wave is coming after it.

Haiz...
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As other have said, you need to complement your actions with prayers. But I suggest do prayer before you take any actions.

I believe when you have submitted everything to god, He will lead you a way and you shouldn't be worry about anything followed up. If you felt uncomforable, I suggest you to spend sometime and share it with brothers or sisters, I am sure thing will work out great for you.
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QUOTE(fx20 @ Jun 24 2015, 07:04 AM)
As other have said, you need to complement your actions with prayers. But I suggest do prayer before you take any actions.

I believe when you have submitted everything to god, He will lead you a way and you shouldn't be worry about anything followed up. If you felt uncomforable, I suggest you to spend sometime and share it with brothers or sisters, I am sure thing will work out great for you.
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I used to go church 6 months ago, but now, i got no time to go church. My phd classes on weekends 8am to 5pm.

I will learn to pray prior taking any actions....guess some of brothers in here prayed for me.

When i receive the call from the ministry of higher education, i strt to worry again,

Guess tht time, God assisted me. My superior send 5 staffs to me and asked me to accomplish 1500 files in 2 weeks time
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 23 2015, 10:17 PM)
How are you dude? How's your ankle?

Thanks.

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I was pondering upon this verse, James 4: 1 - 12 (Warning Against Worldliness)

From this verse, God wants us to trust more in Him rather than we trusting in ourself. That we always desire and covet for the "wrong" things in life? That we often judged our neighbours too?

What God wants us to do:-

- Submit ourselves to Him faithfully.
- Be humble.
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not ankle but my heel, still pain as usual but i'm managing it bearing the pain by wearing sandal at home so it not that pain when i walking around

on other note, i just had a simple checkup last week only to find out that my body is not doing that well, everything is high even my bone density reading is not that good either

tried to donate blood too but too high also the last reading was 146/100 too high.....need to start dieting already but with my love for foods it seem so hard

PS: it's Durian season now which make my craving for durian skyrocket when i smell it drool.gif
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QUOTE(wujoy9 @ Jun 24 2015, 06:21 AM)
Thanks bro

Yes..its my fear.

I tried not to worry yesterday after my working hour. But the same thing arise again this morning 6am when i wake.

Yesterday, i receive a bad news again whereby the government officer will come to audit in 2 weeks time.

Things kept on happening and its non stop...

I initially, i thought it will end after this Thursday. But another wave is coming after it.

Haiz...
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Take Heart and Pray.
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today a guy from mormonism come to preach and tell me believe god. I took out a paper and wrote down thing he said to me, i drew a line and I said further action will be taken upon him. I am a lawyer am i going to hell?
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today a guy from mormonism come to preach and tell me believe god. I took out a paper and wrote down thing he said to me, i drew a line and I said further action will be taken upon him.  I am a lawyer am i going to hell?
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going to hell is irrelevant with what you do to the mormon guy, irrelevant with lawyer occupation.

Have you received JESUS as savior ?
If yes then don't worry about hell.
If no, then you have risked yourself with hell.


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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jun 24 2015, 09:02 AM)
not ankle but my heel, still pain as usual but i'm managing it bearing the pain by wearing sandal at home so it not that pain when i walking around

on other note, i just had a simple checkup last week only to find out that my body is not doing that well, everything is high even my bone density reading is not that good either

tried to donate blood too but too high also the last reading was 146/100 too high.....need to start dieting already but with my love for foods it seem so hard

PS: it's Durian season now which make my craving for durian skyrocket when i smell it drool.gif
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Ah, I've always confused between ankle and heels. blush.gif

Dude, you need to control your food intake and exercise more.

Proverbs 23:20-21

Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh: For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags.

I hate durian smell. shakehead.gif That's why I don't eat it in its natural form. I'll eat Durian creme brulee and durian cream puff though. hehe...

Saya tidak suka memakan durian sebab bau nya dan terlalu manis.

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Wow 146 is very high reading.

What's the cause of it? did you go to doctor?
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nope, i don't have the time yet

tinarhian Durian is good, i just had durian again yesterday for my supper yummy drool.gif
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Hope you'll be ok Luffy sad.gif
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nope, i don't have the time yet

tinarhian Durian is good, i just had durian again yesterday for my supper yummy drool.gif
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You know durian is high in sugar.
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You know durian is high in sugar.
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depend on which type, but still my favourite is durian and it was just like once a year only not all year long
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depend on which type, but still my favourite is durian and it was just like once a year only not all year long
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Huh? I thought there's only 2 types. Big and small durian. blush.gif

Still a lot of sugar. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 25 2015, 11:50 PM)
Huh? I thought there's only 2 types. Big and small durian.  blush.gif

Still a lot of sugar.  whistling.gif
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there are many type of durians..........it was specialised into grade depend on it taste, some is bitter and alcoholic while some is slight bitter and sweet or abit toxic and sweet
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I haven't even touch one durian this season.

haih.
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I haven't even touch one durian this season.

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Durian is getting cheaper already, suggest you feast on one soon
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Unknown Warrior Pehkay

I need some context help.

Hebrew 10:26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

What constitutes as 'deliberately sinning' here? As long humans are humans we're going to carry bad habits and sinful habits to the grave. Because nobody is perfect.

There has to be a bigger context here
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there are many type of durians..........it was specialised into grade depend on it taste, some is bitter and alcoholic while some is slight bitter and sweet or abit toxic and sweet
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Seriously?! drool.gif

Yeah but it is still smelly. tongue.gif

But I like the small round and hairy fruit (looks like a male scrotum) blush.gif

Ah..what's the name.?
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 26 2015, 11:16 PM)
Seriously?!  drool.gif

Yeah but it is still smelly.  tongue.gif

But I like the small round and hairy fruit (looks like a male scrotum)  blush.gif

Ah..what's the name.?
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Oh you means Rambutan? not my type i eat that the less, compared to mata kucing or longan which i ate more, always when there's cheap sales at night market i buy 2 kilos worth with or without stalks or even more 4 kilos i globes it up in a day or 2 after 2 hours of drenching the fruits

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jun 26 2015, 03:11 PM)
Unknown Warrior Pehkay

I need some context help.

Hebrew 10:26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

What constitutes as 'deliberately sinning' here? As long humans are humans we're going to carry bad habits and sinful habits to the grave. Because nobody is perfect.

There has to be a bigger context here
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The previous verse 25 is the first context. To sin willfully here means to abandon one's own assembling together with the church.

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The Hebrew believers had been instructed to abandon Judaism and remain under the new covenant. If they had still returned to Judaism, they would have abandoned their own assembling with the church.


This would have constituted a willful sin in the eyes of God, in that it would have been committed after they had received the knowledge of the truth, after they had come to know that God had abandoned Judaism, which was formed according to the old covenant, and had initiated the new and living way of contacting God according to the new covenant.

In the bigger context, what is mentioned in 10:27-31 as a warning does not refer to eternal perdition for the unbelievers but to God's dispensational punishment of His children who do not obey His word. We must be assured that once we have God's salvation, we shall never lose it. However, if we do not care for God's word, we shall be punished. To be punished by God is not to be hated by Him. Rather, it is a sign that God the Father loves us. He disciplines whom He loves, not treating them as bastards but as dear sons. Surely the Father will discipline us.

As our wise Father, He has a just way of dealing with us, His children: He will reward the faithful and obedient ones and punish the unfaithful and disobedient ones. According to most of the teachings, it seems that God only rewards the faithful ones but does not punish the unfaithful. This is not logical. Our Father is much wiser than this.

Two important things are mentioned in chapter 10, the worse punishment (v. 29) and the great reward (v. 35). These two phrases are both heavy and meaningful; they are the keys to this fourth warning. The writer of this epistle was not concerned with our salvation, for according to what he has written, it is eternally secure. The writer has made it quite clear that Christ has offered Himself to put away sin once for all (7:27; 9:26, 28) and that He has obtained for us an eternal salvation (5:9). Having entered once for all into the Holy of Holies, He has found for us an eternal redemption (9:12). The writer knew that our salvation was fully, thoroughly, and completely secure and that we have been saved forever. However, he was very concerned whether his readers would receive a great reward or suffer punishment.

Hope that helps.


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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jun 26 2015, 03:11 PM)
Unknown Warrior Pehkay

I need some context help.

Hebrew 10:26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

What constitutes as 'deliberately sinning' here? As long humans are humans we're going to carry bad habits and sinful habits to the grave. Because nobody is perfect.

There has to be a bigger context here
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Hi Sophie,

You're right, you got to see the bigger picture by linking in all the verses together. What you quoted is in chapter 10, try reading chapter 6 first.

Read Hebrews 6:4-6

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.


These 2 chapters are synonymously linked. On the surface reading, in plain english, it may sound like "once we are christians, if we keep on deliberately sinning, there is no more Salvation" But as you know that contradicts because the Bible also says "If we confess our sins, God is faithful to forgive". How can God says He will forgive and yet here puts up a warning, that it is impossible to be brought back for repentance and there's no more sacrifice of sins left despite that He will forgive? English interpretation of Greek writings in the context of Hebrew words can be confusing when we don't know the entire context.

In Hebrew 6:4, the word used is enlightened, In Hebrews 10:26, the word used "after we have received the knowledge of truth"

Truth here is on the side of God's Grace. (John 1:17), I submit to you, the entire context here is talking about rejecting the Covenant of Grace and insisted on Going back to the Law to be justified.

In Simple english, when we have been enlightened (being made known) on the Gospel of God's grace (knowledge of Truth) and yet Reject Christ (someone who save us vs we trying to save ourselves), and insist of going back to performance based merit in justification to Salvation, then there is no more sacrifice of sins left (Which is correct anyway because God has nullified the Old Covenant anyway therefore there is no more the old system of Sin Sacrifice) and we trample the son of God, we treat him as an unholy thing and finally insulted the Spirit of God's Grace.

See the word "the blood of the covenant that sanctified them"? Hebrew 10:29 (NIV)

It's the Blood (Christ) that Sanctifies not the shadow (Law).

The very beginning of chapter 10 itself already painstakingly try to explain on the comparison of the Old Covenant and why Christ (Grace) came.

We need to persevere that we are always justified by faith in Christ, everyday and every second. Faith Faith Faith, Faith in the Son of God and NEVER once in ourselves all the way. (Hebrews 10:36)


PS: The thing that many Christians forget, we need to keep on coming to God everyday for dependency and the Faith to believe in Him for the overcoming life. Christ is the only root source for this victorious divine life. If you say that we need to be strong first and live right, thereby making ourselves worthy then only we qualify to come before God. And That is how and what Hebrew 10:26 means, then I always ask this question which will stumble their erroneous doctrine, then why did Christ Jesus need to come?

PS no2: Does it mean by the explanation above, we can sin as we like or we don't have to live right? the answer is, May it never be!. Same accusation leveled against Paul in Romans 6:1.

Cheers Sis.

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jun 26 2015, 03:11 PM)
Unknown Warrior Pehkay

I need some context help.

Hebrew 10:26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

What constitutes as 'deliberately sinning' here? As long humans are humans we're going to carry bad habits and sinful habits to the grave. Because nobody is perfect.

There has to be a bigger context here
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I take that you're silent on this because you're not too sure of the explanation given?

I think the average christian or anyone reading this on surface value will think it's like this:

Those who keep on sinning against God willfully/Deliberately and do not want to repent, they are condemned to eternal judgement and punishment.
But those who repent, God is merciful and will forgive on the condition He truly repented or is remorseful of his sin. Keyword is True Repentance.


However, upon reading Hebrew 6 to 10 in complete detail, you won't find such doctrine as stated above in bold but talks more about the contrast of the Old Covenant vs the New Covenant. laugh.gif You know why?
Because it's the interpretation of a simple layman, the average Man's thought.

Not to say that the above statement has no merit but it's not what the chapters in Hebrew talks about.

Let me try to make it simpler in understanding.

Do you agree these 2 are quite the same in meaning?


1) Hebrew 6:4-6
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

2) Hebrew 10:26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

From "simplistic" pov, seems like it's saying...

1) Those who have fallen away (Sin) ...impossible to be brought back to repentance
2) Those who keep on sinning willfully...there is no salvation?


Fallen away here in the NLT ver says "turn away from God" which is also Sin Against God.

If you agree that fallen away here equates to Sinning against God then why is the Title under the NIV in Hebrews 5:11-14 is Warning Against Falling Away but talks about milk and solid food?

Ok I'll give u the clue, what is the Bible trying to say with regards to Elementary teachings (milk - Infancy) vs Maturity (Solid Food)?

What do you think?

Hint: it has everything to do with your

Hebrew 10:26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

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I've not replied because I had trouble reading due to not enough sleep actually OTL

Kennot brain with a tired mind.

But I would need more explanation nonetheless. As I have trouble trying to comprehend half asleep
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if you guys woke up early today, tuned in to live streaming backstage of hillsong conference later in the morning!
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jun 28 2015, 11:40 PM)
I've not replied because I had trouble reading due to not enough sleep actually OTL

Kennot brain with a tired mind.

But I would need more explanation nonetheless.  As I have trouble trying to comprehend half asleep
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Better you catch up with your sleep. That's very important, not enough sleep would equate to not able to do anything much, then come back and read.


QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jun 29 2015, 01:26 AM)
if you guys woke up early today, tuned in to live streaming backstage of hillsong conference later in the morning!
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Hi Luffy, Install Spotify and you can search there's so many other worship platform other than hillsong.

Bethel church for example.
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Better you catch up with your sleep. That's very important, not enough sleep would equate to not able to do anything much, then come back and read.
Hi Luffy, Install Spotify and you can search there's so many other worship platform other than hillsong.

Bethel church for example.
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i do follow few other worship platform but still Hillsong is still my favorite, from united which is more like a rock style to more like contemporary style of worship lately..........
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jun 29 2015, 09:13 AM)
i do follow few other worship platform but still Hillsong is still my favorite, from united which is more like a rock style to more like contemporary style of worship lately..........
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Have you heard this one?


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This song was quite touching. Made me look up to Heaven.

Amy is part of Bethel Church, Redding worship team and family. For nearly a decade, Amy and her husband, Jason, journeyed through infertility and recently received breakthrough. Two weeks ago at church, Amy sang out her story in spontaneous worship, sparking a powerful moment of prayer, declaring that our circumstances are overcome by the h o p e & p r o m i s e of everything He is.


Our God is a God of such miracles. I've never heard of other gods doing such things.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 29 2015, 09:37 AM)

This song was quite touching. Made me look up to Heaven.

Amy is part of Bethel Church, Redding worship team and family. For nearly a decade, Amy and her husband, Jason, journeyed through infertility and recently received breakthrough. Two weeks ago at church, Amy sang out her story in spontaneous worship, sparking a powerful moment of prayer, declaring that our circumstances are overcome by the h o p e & p r o m i s e of everything He is.
Our God is a God of such miracles. I've never heard of other gods doing such things.
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my verdict for your recommendation, video 1, just ok while video 2 is good filled with passion when she sang it
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jun 29 2015, 11:08 AM)
my verdict for your recommendation, video 1, just ok while video 2 is good filled with passion when she sang it
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Both songs are good but I think Song 1 is better, if you listened from Min 3.30 onwards, very uplifting.


btw if you can take longer period of music. check this out.

This IS POWERFUL!




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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 29 2015, 11:28 AM)
Both songs are good but I think Song 1 is better, if you listened from Min 3.30 onwards, very uplifting.
btw if you can take longer period of music. check this out.

This IS POWERFUL!

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i'll check it out but later at night, i'm at office now

hmm, maybe you're right or maybe i'm right too but personally i think everyone have their own taste in what type of music they prefer to listen to right?

I used to dislike Hillsong songs alot when i was younger because they are deemed too loud to my ear, i mean when the cassette was still available. my brother listened to it all the time and it's real loud that it turned me off completely but several years later, i was first hooked on their song when i listened to their simply worship album 2nd edition. that when i first exposed to their song, with me getting my very first Hillsong album as a birthday gift from my former CG leader.

PS: I'm also a fan of Don Moen and few other worship leaders from Integrity Music.........

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 28 2015, 08:07 PM)

Hint: it has everything to do with your...........

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Durian, ram bu tan aside....

dude, finish your sentence.


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I...'ve read it but I still cdon't understand. I'm left confused, but then again I've not been understanding any explanation of anything for the past few days too. I know you've tried your best but I end up with a big 'huh?'

https://www.facebook.com/Nigeriacamera/vide...65938676782270/

preachings against the new gay legislation. I did not participate in the whole rainbow pride thing people's been posting as of late. I'm frankly saddened by the legalization, but my friends don't understand...
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I'm Catholic Christian. And I'm expat seeking for English service in JB, I'm staying t taman pelangi. Telling the truth I'm kind of losing faith. But now I'm desperate and seeking for forgiveness from my Lord. It's been years I have not been to church. I'm a lost misguided soul, there was time I gave my soul to Satan and worshiped him. Can anyone get me through this. I'm just not who I'm anymore.
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QUOTE(shynlee01 @ Jun 30 2015, 04:27 AM)
I'm Catholic Christian. And I'm expat seeking for English service in JB, I'm staying t taman pelangi. Telling the truth I'm kind of losing faith. But now I'm desperate and seeking for forgiveness from my Lord. It's been years I have not been to church. I'm a lost misguided soul, there was time I gave my soul to Satan and worshiped him. Can anyone get me through this. I'm just not who I'm anymore.
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pray for the Lord guidance, i believe He would be able to answer your prayers
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hillsong live worship ongoing now, still waiting for new songs to be sung but nothing yet haih
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 29 2015, 11:36 PM)
Durian, ram bu tan aside....

dude, finish your sentence.
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I did. The scripture verse was the finishing sentence at the end.

QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jun 29 2015, 11:43 PM)
I...'ve read it but I still cdon't understand. I'm left confused, but then again I've not been understanding any explanation of anything for the past few days too. I know you've tried your best but I end up with a big 'huh?'

https://www.facebook.com/Nigeriacamera/vide...65938676782270/

preachings against the new gay legislation. I did not participate in the whole rainbow pride thing people's been posting as of late. I'm frankly saddened by the legalization, but my friends don't understand...
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Don't worry about it, that verse is not what you think it is.

Every Christians have committed willful disobedient in his/her life. That is why God's Grace is the answer that helps us and leads us onwards.

And it's available fresh everyday.

How about this passage in Romans 7?


21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

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If you have time, see President Barack Obama on Friday delivered a eulogy for the Rev. Clementa Pinckney.

The Eulogy qualify as a Church Sermon, because it's scriptural. So proud of Him. Would have admit Obama anytime as a Nation leader over Malaysia's.

Powerful Speech.


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 30 2015, 08:38 AM)
If you have time, see President Barack Obama on Friday delivered a eulogy for the Rev. Clementa Pinckney.

The Eulogy qualify as a Church Sermon, because it's scriptural. So proud of Him. Would have admit Obama anytime as a Nation leader over Malaysia's.

Powerful Speech.


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President Obama is a methodist?
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jun 30 2015, 09:24 AM)
President Obama is a methodist?
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Er, nope but the pastor who died in the shooting tragedy was a Methodist, Obama as a Christian non denominational, giving scriptural eulogy for him.

Very Spot on message! What's even more amazing, He sang Amazing Grace at the end of the eulogy. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(shynlee01 @ Jun 30 2015, 04:27 AM)
I'm Catholic Christian. And I'm expat seeking for English service in JB, I'm staying t taman pelangi. Telling the truth I'm kind of losing faith. But now I'm desperate and seeking for forgiveness from my Lord. It's been years I have not been to church. I'm a lost misguided soul, there was time I gave my soul to Satan and worshiped him. Can anyone get me through this. I'm just not who I'm anymore.
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If you do not pray, you will certainly fall. Since you are in JB, there's the Church of the Immaculate Conception http://www.cicjb.org/.

Start with a good general confession.

http://www.catholicstand.com/general-confe...oor-satan-lent/

I'm sure the priest will be more than happy to assist you if you have any difficulties or questions.

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tinarhian more info on Durian

https://www.organicfacts.net/health-benefit...-of-durian.html
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 30 2015, 08:35 AM)
I did. The scripture verse was the finishing sentence at the end.
Don't worry about it, that verse is not what you think it is.

Every Christians have committed willful disobedient in his/her life. That is why God's Grace is the answer that helps us and leads us onwards.

And it's available fresh everyday.

How about this passage in Romans 7?
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
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Oh yes, I understand now. I find the Book of Romans the easiest to understand out of all of Paul's letters. thumbup.gif
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wonder if any recommended Hillsong playlist in youtube or spotify?

appreciate if there is any... biggrin.gif

(or where is the most worthy place to purchase hillsong collection?)
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Obama maybe a declared Christian (for politics).... but he was raised by Atheists, and is certainly non hostile to Atheism.
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jun 30 2015, 01:06 PM)
You got to be kidding me! shocking.gif

But I saw a lot of fat dudes eating durian near the road side that day when I droved passed by.
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jun 30 2015, 05:12 PM)
Oh yes, I understand now. I find the Book of Romans the easiest to understand out of all of Paul's letters.  thumbup.gif
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Romans 7 explains it clearest in verse 15 - 20


15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.c For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.


As long as we are in this earthly body, the Sin nature which the Bible call the Flesh is in us. We need to be careful with definition. The Bible states that we have the nature of Flesh but we are not the flesh. We are a new creation in Christ.

That is why it's a daily battle for the repentance of the mind to believe that we (already) ARE a new creation, the old has gone, the new has come. Even though it doesn't seem like it. Why? Because of our body. Until we are cloth with our new Heavenly Body, this flesh nature is still there.

It is not the striving of our actions that changes but the repentance of the mind. Bible says Be transform by the renewing of our mind. Church traditionally preaches, repentance through our action but Bible say repentance start in the mind area first. Sometime it's because of wrong preaching using fear and intimidation of Hell, we get messed up in wrong theology. That to me is Man's teaching not of God. God's way is that his Grace always comes first (mercy, kindness and favor) that leads us to repentance.

So with this in mind, do you understand what Hebrews 10:26 is trying to say?

The key word here is not so much on deliberate sinning but "no sacrifice for sins is left". That is a very BIG Clue, what it's trying to convey.


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QUOTE(PlayPlayHa @ Jun 30 2015, 07:30 PM)
Hihi biggrin.gif

wonder if any recommended Hillsong playlist in youtube or spotify?

appreciate if there is any... biggrin.gif

(or where is the most worthy place to purchase hillsong collection?)
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Hello,

you can search for Hillsong playlist in Spotify under these recommended Album


1. No Other Name (Deluxe Edition/Live)
2. Glorious Ruins (Live)
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QUOTE(PlayPlayHa @ Jun 30 2015, 07:30 PM)
Hihi biggrin.gif

wonder if any recommended Hillsong playlist in youtube or spotify?

appreciate if there is any... biggrin.gif

(or where is the most worthy place to purchase hillsong collection?)
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Online? or store?

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QUOTE(PlayPlayHa @ Jun 30 2015, 07:30 PM)
Hihi biggrin.gif

wonder if any recommended Hillsong playlist in youtube or spotify?

appreciate if there is any... biggrin.gif

(or where is the most worthy place to purchase hillsong collection?)
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Online? or store?

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 30 2015, 08:52 PM)
You got to be kidding me!  shocking.gif

But I saw a lot of fat dudes eating durian near the road side that day when I droved passed by.
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trust me Durian is for everyone, fat or non fat though the risk is there, still willing to consume it drool.gif
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jun 30 2015, 10:11 PM)
Online? or store?
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Online is purchasing song by song?
i prefer CD...

Any stores around KL/Selangor?
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 30 2015, 09:14 PM)
Hello,

you can search for Hillsong playlist in Spotify under these recommended Album
1. No Other Name (Deluxe Edition/Live)
2. Glorious Ruins (Live)
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 30 2015, 09:03 PM)
Romans 7 explains it clearest in verse 15 - 20
15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.c For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
As long as we are in this earthly body, the Sin nature which the Bible call the Flesh is in us. We need to be careful with definition. The Bible states that we have the nature of Flesh but we are not the flesh. We are a new creation in Christ.

That is why it's a daily battle for the repentance of the mind to believe that we (already) ARE a new creation, the old has gone, the new has come. Even though it doesn't seem like it. Why? Because of our body. Until we are cloth with our new Heavenly Body, this flesh nature is still there.

It is not the striving of our actions that changes but the repentance of the mind. Bible says Be transform by the renewing of our mind. Church traditionally preaches, repentance through our action but Bible say repentance start in the mind area first. Sometime it's because of wrong preaching using fear and intimidation of Hell, we get messed up in wrong theology. That to me is Man's teaching not of God. God's way is that his Grace always comes first (mercy, kindness and favor) that leads us to repentance.

So with this in mind, do you understand what Hebrews 10:26 is trying to say?

The key word here is not so much on deliberate sinning but "no sacrifice for sins is left". That is a very BIG Clue, what it's trying to convey.
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...I understand Romans 7 but uh I still don't get how it applies to Hebrews 10 OTL

I'm guessing that, if they go back to Judaism they will keep sacrificing animals. But the fact that, with Jesus that's the final sin sacrifice and therefore they literally have no more for sins.

Something like that? rclxub.gif
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All the obama blaming bothers me too. Just how much can he do? He go fight, people complain he waste money. If he don't fight, say ignore the plight of Christians and Yadzidis.

To be realistic I can't expect him to turn the tides of war anytime soon, if ever. America has too many internal problems of their own.

Sigh there is literally nothing we can do to help...
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 1 2015, 12:03 AM)
...I understand Romans 7 but uh I still don't get how it applies to Hebrews 10 OTL

I'm guessing that, if they go back to Judaism they will keep sacrificing animals. But the fact that, with Jesus that's the final sin sacrifice and therefore they literally have no more for sins.

Something like that?  rclxub.gif
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Link the Bible in it's entirety.

The main theme is this: Apart from Christ, there is no hope and neither is repentance nor Salvation made available. The Law of God cannot provide this for us.
We already know this because we are handed with the complete Bible.


If you read Hebrews 10: 1-18, it explains why the Law cannot make us Holy, neither justify us or cleansed our sins. But by One Act of Christ, God has removed every sins of the believer forever. Verse 18 says it like this:

And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.


Do you see that? Sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary. What Jesus did was a DONE deal once and for all.

However, these people at that time, rejected Christ, despite having seen all that Christ has spoken and done. For them no sacrifice for sins is left. Because God has set aside and nullified the first covenant. (Hebrews 10:9 & Hebrews 8:13)

If you're concern about deliberate /willful sinning part, perhaps if you see this verse, you may understand better.

Hebrews 3:12 (NIV) - See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.

Meaning Unbelief is a Sin.

If you replace the word deliberate sinning with deliberate unbelief and read further down from Hebrews 10: 27-31, you may began to see the revelation.

After all, In Hebrews 3:13 it did say to encourage one another day after day and Hebrews 10:25 does say not giving up meeting together..


All these in context of encouraging one another through assemblies of the Church to spur on Faith.


If you look from Bird's eye view of all these. It's talking about people who willfully or deliberately reject Christ or choose not to believe in Him, for them, there is no more sacrifice of sins left and be brought back to repentance.
(Hebrews 10:26 & Hebrews 6:6).



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All the obama blaming bothers me too. Just how much can he do? He go fight, people complain he waste money. If he don't fight, say ignore the plight of Christians and Yadzidis.

To be realistic I can't expect him to turn the tides of war anytime soon, if ever. America has too many internal problems of their own.

Sigh there is literally nothing we can do to help...
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How can a Christian support abortion?
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Don't just listen to rumours or what people say, if you check his speech, He is also Pro Life enough to support to reduce the number of abortion.

With that being said, I also believe God is sovereign enough to ensure which fetus get through the process of birth.

This is something beyond you and me to judge.

And before you bring up the issue of LBGT, for that He will answer for his actions if God asked in the after life.

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Don't just listen to rumours or what people say, if you check his speech, He is also Pro Life enough to support to reduce the number of abortion.

With that being said, I also believe God is sovereign enough to ensure which fetus get through the process of birth.

This is something beyond you and me to judge.

And before you bring up the issue of LBGT, for that He will answer for his actions if God asked in the after life.
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We can certainly judge based on external acts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_policy...d_contraception
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We can certainly judge based on external acts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_policy...d_contraception
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I never deny He implemented abortion policy, what I'm trying to say is don't think that He only wants abortion one sided, He also wants it reduced if possible.

Check out his youtube video on this matter, you can find it easily to support what I say is balanced.
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I never deny He implemented abortion policy, what I'm trying to say is don't think that He only wants abortion one sided, He also wants it reduced if possible.

Check out his youtube video on this matter, you can find it easily to support what I say is balanced.
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What I read from you is...fine, he allowed murder, but also tries to reduce murder if possible. Absolutely amazing.
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What I read from you is...fine, he allowed murder, but also tries to reduce murder if possible. Absolutely amazing.
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I can understand your outburst but there are varying difference of doctrine with regards to this matter

Problem is, you are enforcing your catholic doctrine of what constitute a human life and pin condemnation on me based on that.

I think that is not fair.
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Why does Catholics consider abortion as murder? hmm.gif

Is it because of The Ten Commandments?

I haven't come across any verse in The Bible that's pro or against abortion. Maybe I missed out.

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I need to watch my waistline. 

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Why does Catholics consider abortion as murder?  hmm.gif

Is it because of The Ten Commandments?

I haven't come across any verse in The Bible that's pro or against abortion. Maybe I missed out.

Enlighten me.
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Those Kristians always quote this :

" For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them. " Psalm 139 13 - 16


for additional reading : Roe vs Wade
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 1 2015, 08:02 PM)
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I need to watch my waistline. 

Later my wedding dress won't fit.  laugh.gif

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Why does Catholics consider abortion as murder?  hmm.gif

Is it because of The Ten Commandments?

I haven't come across any verse in The Bible that's pro or against abortion. Maybe I missed out.

Enlighten me.
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I don't think we're arguing whether murder is wrong. Murder against any person is wrong but the question is,

Does an embryo/fetus constitute as a person one who can operate all the functionality of life as a human being.

Many theologian readily agree to say "I don't know" which IMO is the better judgement.


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Those Kristians always quote this :

" For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them. "   Psalm 139  13  - 16
for additional reading : Roe vs Wade
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Ok thanks. Will read later.

QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 1 2015, 08:20 PM)
I don't think we're arguing whether murder is wrong. Murder against any person is wrong but the question is,

Does an embryo/fetus constitute as a person one who can operate all the functionality of life as a human being.

Many theologian readily agree to say "I don't know" which IMO is the better judgement.
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Yes, murder is wrong.

So when does "life" actually start? Fetus stage? Or when the baby is born?

Furthermore, Catholics don't allow the use of contraception. shocking.gif

I honestly think The Bible is not an encyclopedia for everything.

All these men made laws are just........IDK. Enlighten me..haha....
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Obama maybe a declared Christian (for politics).... but he was raised by Atheists, and is certainly non hostile to Atheism.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 1 2015, 08:27 PM)
Ok thanks. Will read later.
Yes, murder is wrong.

So when does "life" actually start? Fetus stage? Or when the baby is born?

Furthermore, Catholics don't allow the use of contraception.  shocking.gif

I honestly think The Bible is not an encyclopedia for everything.

All these men made laws are just........IDK. Enlighten me..haha....
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This is where science does know... Development of the fetus' neuron cells and the nervous system can be quantified... pain neurons developes around 7 weeks.... higher brain function developes later...

Here's a wrench.... any stem cells from a person (even adults) can be cloned and developed into your twin, an entirely different person.
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QUOTE(BeastX @ Jul 1 2015, 08:48 PM)
This is where science does know... Development of the fetus' neuron cells and the nervous system can be quantified... pain neurons developes around 7 weeks.... higher brain function developes later...

Here's a wrench.... any stem cells from a person (even adults) can be cloned and developed into your twin, an entirely different person.
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OIC. My science sucks.

hmmm...Can clone you say? But sometimes the clones are not good as the original?

I read that some people collect the newborn stem cells so that they can cure themselves later?
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 1 2015, 08:54 PM)
OIC. My science sucks.

hmmm...Can clone you say? But sometimes the clones are not good as the original?

I read that some people collect the newborn stem cells so that they can cure themselves later?
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Clones can even be better any defects can be corrected.... and function can even be added... genomically it can be a better you the original.....

That much of science is achievable now.... it's not science fiction. When we could fully control the genome... longevity and immortality maybe achievable...
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Clones can even be better any defects can be corrected.... and function can even be added... genomically it can be a better you the original.....

That much of science is achievable now.... it's not science fiction. When we could fully control the genome... longevity and immortality maybe achievable...
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Well John 3: 16 is enough for me to believe that we shall have eternal life.

Ah men with their immortality obsession. Then why would we need God if we can create better clones of ourself? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(BeastX @ Jul 1 2015, 09:07 PM)
Clones can even be better any defects can be corrected.... and function can even be added... genomically it can be a better you the original.....

That much of science is achievable now.... it's not science fiction. When we could fully control the genome... longevity and immortality maybe achievable...
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so how does this work? does the newly cloned body come wif a soul?
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On the other hand, cloning for plants should be ok. hehe...

Hey, why can't they clone a odourless durian? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 1 2015, 09:17 PM)
Well John 3: 16 is enough for me to believe that we shall have eternal life.

Ah men with their immortality obsession. Then why would we need God if we can create better clones of ourself?  hmm.gif
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Some religions were created on the basis of the immortal soul.... you cannot blame Science for actually engaging in it, infact every disease cured/treated is in a way prolonging it.

Good question, some of us don't need God .... though clones are not the solution, aspects of evolution, creation of variety ensures the progression/adaptation of the species. You cannot remain unchange, while the enviroment actually changes... In place of natural variation there could be engineered and selected variation.

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 1 2015, 09:26 PM)
On the other hand, cloning for plants should be ok. hehe...

Hey, why can't they clone a odourless durian?  hmm.gif
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We can GMO an odourless Durian.... though Odour is closely related to taste, so it'd not be as tasty as well..

p.s. Human's sense of smell so much weaker than other animals.... our senses are very much limited, the only organ we could truely boast about is our brain....

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so how does this work? does the newly cloned body come wif a soul?
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If soul = consciousness... then yes, every cloned individual will have a soul.... as it happens naturally with identical twins/triplets/quadruplets...etc
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Clones can even be better any defects can be corrected.... and function can even be added... genomically it can be a better you the original.....

That much of science is achievable now.... it's not science fiction. When we could fully control the genome... longevity and immortality maybe achievable...
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and how far away are we now, exactly?
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and how far away are we now, exactly?
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That sentence has when and maybe...... An educated guess on longevity of perhaps another additional 50 or so years (to the average now)... give or take around 30 years... with breakthroughs, it maybe faster

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On the other hand, cloning for plants should be ok. hehe...

Hey, why can't they clone a odourless durian?  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 1 2015, 08:02 PM)
ohmy.gif

I need to watch my waistline. 

Later my wedding dress won't fit.  laugh.gif

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Why does Catholics consider abortion as murder?  hmm.gif

Is it because of The Ten Commandments?

I haven't come across any verse in The Bible that's pro or against abortion. Maybe I missed out.

Enlighten me.
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Actually Martin Luther also considered contraception as wrong. Here's from a Lutheran:

http://bound4life.com/history-of-contracep...testant-church/

It was only much later that Protestants slowly started to accept contraception, and now divorce, and now gay 'marriage' and so on and so forth.
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I can understand your outburst but there are varying difference of doctrine with regards to this matter

Problem is, you are enforcing your catholic doctrine of what constitute a human life and pin condemnation on me based on that.

I think that is not fair.
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What then do you constitute as a human person? Immediately after birth? 7 weeks? 3 months? 6 months?

I think you should be aware that it is not only Catholics who are against abortion. Of course it is a shame to say also, that there are many so-called Catholic politicians who supports abortion. This is the mystery of iniquity and salvation, where even among the 12 apostles, there was one who betrayed Jesus. Even non-Christian religions consider abortion a very grave crime.
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Actually Martin Luther also considered contraception as wrong. Here's from a Lutheran:

http://bound4life.com/history-of-contracep...testant-church/

It was only much later that Protestants slowly started to accept contraception, and now divorce, and now gay 'marriage' and so on and so forth.
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We DO NOT!!! mad.gif vmad.gif

Divorce is always looked upon very seriously b'cos God says , "What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder"

go read Genesis 2:24, Ephesians 5:31, Mark 10:9 & Matt 19:6

There must be very solid reasons for which are considered good grounds for divorce e.g. either spouse has committed adultery.

Ppl who accept gay marriages are not Christians! There are a lot of folks who are Christians in name only.

On June 26, 2015, the US Supreme Court ruled that the US Constitution guarantees the right for same-sex couples to marry in all 50 U.S. states.

Rest assured, judgement will fall on America if they continue in the same vein


Now get back to your thread! Catholic thread is -------------------------------> W A Y ! ! !
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We DO NOT!!!   mad.gif  vmad.gif

Divorce is always looked upon very seriously b'cos God says , "What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder"

go read Genesis 2:24, Ephesians 5:31, Mark 10:9 & Matt 19:6

There must be very solid reasons for which are considered good grounds for divorce  e.g.  either spouse has committed adultery.

Ppl who accept gay marriages are not Christians! There are a lot of folks who are Christians in name only.

On June 26, 2015, the US Supreme Court ruled that the US Constitution guarantees the right for same-sex couples to marry in all 50 U.S. states.

Rest assured, judgement will fall on America if they continue in the same vein
 

Now get back to your thread!     Catholic thread is ------------------------------->  W A Y ! ! !
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Good for you, but there are many flavours in Protestantism. So I'm not sure which flavour is yours. If yours is against divorce, gay 'marriage', and so on, that's a good thing to hear.
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Some religions were created on the basis of the immortal soul.... you cannot blame Science for actually engaging in it, infact every disease cured/treated is in a way prolonging it.

Good question, some of us don't need God .... though clones are not the solution, aspects of evolution, creation of variety ensures the progression/adaptation of the species. You cannot remain unchange, while the enviroment actually changes... In place of natural variation there could be engineered and selected variation.
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ohmy.gif

Science can't create souls.

There are people who still need God.

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eating few pieces won't do you any harm tina...........

give it a try, you'll definitely liked it for sure  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Oh my...If I get fat, its on you. vmad.gif

QUOTE(yeeck @ Jul 1 2015, 11:04 PM)
Actually Martin Luther also considered contraception as wrong. Here's from a Lutheran:

http://bound4life.com/history-of-contracep...testant-church/

It was only much later that Protestants slowly started to accept contraception, and now divorce, and now gay 'marriage' and so on and so forth.
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Oh my..Are you still picking on Martin Luther? shocking.gif

Those who accepts divorce and gay marriage are not Christians. Same as Catholics priests who commit "sins" are not Christians.

Don't get me started on Catholics... brows.gif

QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 1 2015, 11:26 PM)
We DO NOT!!!   mad.gif  vmad.gif

Divorce is always looked upon very seriously b'cos God says , "What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder"

go read Genesis 2:24, Ephesians 5:31, Mark 10:9 & Matt 19:6

There must be very solid reasons for which are considered good grounds for divorce  e.g.  either spouse has committed adultery.

Ppl who accept gay marriages are not Christians! There are a lot of folks who are Christians in name only.

On June 26, 2015, the US Supreme Court ruled that the US Constitution guarantees the right for same-sex couples to marry in all 50 U.S. states.

Rest assured, judgement will fall on America if they continue in the same vein
 

Now get back to your thread!     Catholic thread is ------------------------------->  W A Y ! ! !
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Now now, no need to get rowdy over 1 Catholic dude.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 1 2015, 11:44 PM)
ohmy.gif

Science can't create souls.

There are people who still need God.
Oh my...If I get fat, its on you.  vmad.gif
Oh my..Are you still picking on Martin Luther?  shocking.gif

Those who accepts divorce and gay marriage are not Christians. Same as Catholics priests who commit "sins" are not Christians.

Don't get me started on Catholics... brows.gif
rclxms.gif

Now now, no need to get rowdy over 1 Catholic dude.
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I'm not picking on Martin Luther but just gave you reference that even he (whom many will consider as the Father of Protestantism), also rejected contraception, so I don't understand why are you saying that I'm picking on him.

"Those who accepts divorce and gay marriage are not Christians. Same as Catholics priests who commit "sins" are not Christians."

So what say you about those who accept abortion?

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If soul = consciousness... then yes, every cloned individual will have a soul.... as it happens naturally with identical twins/triplets/quadruplets...etc
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for one who claims to be a "qualified' member of the global scientific community, you seem to be spewing a lot of ASSumptions!

soul? spirit? = consciousness? who told you that??!! you are good at playing with words, i'll give you that thumbup.gif !

if twins means 2. so 2 separate souls? triplets means 3. so 3 separate souls? & u can clone souls? have you seen one??! shocking.gif

apart from electrical signals/impulses in the human body, scientists still have no explanation how a person can actually be alive.

I have a better explanation:

Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. Genesis 2:7

Yeah, ppl also say that when you die, the body becomes lighter by a few pounds due to the spirit leaving the "meat sack". Can u help me wif this Mr. Scientist? icon_question.gif

QUOTE(BeastX @ Jul 1 2015, 09:55 PM)
That sentence has when and maybe...... An educated guess on longevity of perhaps another additional 50 or so years (to the average now)... give or take around 30 years... with breakthroughs, it maybe faster
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isn't that a bit absurb??!! 30 years from now we can achieve immortality? 30 years is a loooooooong time buddy!

again, u make too many ASSumptions! yeah, even u realize your choice of words. you used the words WHEN & MAYBE.......not me.

sorry.......your "educated guess" means NOTHING to me!

"For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, "He is THE ONE WHO CATCHES THE WISE IN THEIR CRAFTINESS"

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I'm not picking on Martin Luther but just gave you reference that even he (whom many will consider as the Father of Protestantism), also rejected contraception, so I don't understand why are you saying that I'm picking on him.

"Those who accepts divorce and gay marriage are not Christians. Same as Catholics priests who commit "sins" are not Christians."

So what say you about those who accept abortion?
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Coz you always mentioned him? tongue.gif

This abortion issues is such a long winded topic. Why would a person or a couple commit abortion in the first place?

Is it due to morality issues?

hmm.gif It seems that a lot of churches in USA adopts pro-life stance.

I have to sit on the fence first. hahaha....

This require deep reading. tongue.gif
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Why do Catholics consider contraception as a sin? hmm.gif


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for one who claims to be a "qualified' member of the global scientific community, you seem to be spewing a lot of ASSumptions!

soul? spirit? = consciousness?    who told you that??!! you are good at playing with words, i'll give you that  thumbup.gif  !

if twins means 2. so 2 separate souls? triplets means 3. so 3 separate souls? & u can clone souls? have you seen one??!   shocking.gif

apart from electrical signals/impulses in the human body, scientists still have no explanation how a person can actually be alive.

I have a better explanation:

Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.  Genesis 2:7

Yeah, ppl also say that when you die, the body becomes lighter by a few pounds due to the spirit leaving the "meat sack". Can u help me wif this Mr. Scientist?  icon_question.gif
isn't that a bit absurb??!!  30 years from now we can achieve immortality? 30 years is a loooooooong time buddy!

again, u make too many ASSumptions! yeah, even u realize your choice of words. you used the words WHEN & MAYBE.......not me.

sorry.......your "educated guess" means NOTHING to me! 

"For the wisdom of this world is foolishness before God. For it is written, "He is THE ONE WHO CATCHES THE WISE IN THEIR CRAFTINESS"

1 Corinthians 3:19  

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Science has no opinions on souls, as it's an ill defined concept. Conciousness however could be quantified. If you want to define it differently, science has no say.

Assertion that a body becomes lighter when death is testable as has proven to be untrue, A person body weight fluctuates all the time during life and death, a human body is algamation of multitudes of microbes of around 1.2kg, when a person dies, these microbes are still alive and respirating, if one is to totally seal a body at a person's death, all the molecules and atoms that accounts to that person would remains the same hence the same mass.

In 30 years, some period (I quote 50 years) of longevity could be achieve, immortality maybe far off but I would not rule it out. I conciously chose the words, so I've no qualms on them.

An educated guess is still a guess, but as someone in the field of Genomics, it's an insight at least.

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What then do you constitute as a human person? Immediately after birth? 7 weeks? 3 months? 6 months?

I think you should be aware that it is not only Catholics who are against abortion. Of course it is a shame to say also, that there are many so-called Catholic politicians who supports abortion. This is the mystery of iniquity and salvation, where even among the 12 apostles, there was one who betrayed Jesus. Even non-Christian religions consider abortion a very grave crime.
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Let me ask you a question instead, what about underaged girl who got raped and got pregnant if she doesn't proceed to do abortion, she will die because her body cannot take the pregnancy process?

Are you going to tell me that's girl's life is invalidated compared to her unborn child? Since you insist on playing God so much, answer me.

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Let me ask you a question instead, what about underaged girl who got raped and got pregnant if she doesn't proceed to do abortion, she will die because her body cannot take the pregnancy process?

Are you going to tell me that's girl's life is invalidated compared to her unborn child? Since you insist on playing God so much, answer me.
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Wow....I'm amazed you did not know the answer to your own question.

Ever heard of Caesarian?

Let me give a better example of what I think you are trying to argue.

A pregnant mother with a tumour is faced between having the possible death of the child in the womb for the process of removing the tumour. In such situations, the intention is to remove the tumour, but may indirectly cause the death of the child. So the intention is to save the mother's life, not to kill the child. The principle here is direct killing of the foetus is unacceptable, but treatment to cure the mother should be given even if it would indirectly result in the death of the foetus. The abortion cases I'm talking about is always about the wholesale, free-and-easy type of abortion.
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Jul 1 2015, 11:25 PM)
What then do you constitute as a human person? Immediately after birth? 7 weeks? 3 months? 6 months?

I think you should be aware that it is not only Catholics who are against abortion. Of course it is a shame to say also, that there are many so-called Catholic politicians who supports abortion. This is the mystery of iniquity and salvation, where even among the 12 apostles, there was one who betrayed Jesus. Even non-Christian religions consider abortion a very grave crime.
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I was told it starts sometime after fertilization.
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Jul 2 2015, 10:22 AM)
Wow....I'm amazed you did not know the answer to your own question.

Ever heard of Caesarian?

Let me give a better example of what I think you are trying to argue.

A pregnant mother with a tumour is faced between having the possible death of the child in the womb for the process of removing the tumour. In such situations, the intention is to remove the tumour, but may indirectly cause the death of the child. So the intention is to save the mother's life, not to kill the child. The principle here is direct killing of the foetus is unacceptable, but treatment to cure the mother should be given even if it would indirectly result in the death of the foetus. The abortion cases I'm talking about is always about the wholesale, free-and-easy type of abortion.
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Do you know the complications of Cesarean like Blood loss, Blood Clot, Bowels problem for a mother child who is raped?

Have you heard of a child bearing a child? 10 year old child pregnant?
How does it affect her mental state as a child?

Do you not see the traumatic problem associated with this?



Do you also know the problem of Child marriages in countries like Nigeria?


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 2 2015, 10:36 AM)
Do you know the complications of Cesarean like Blood loss, Blood Clot, Bowels problem for a mother child who is raped?

Have you heard of a child bearing a child? 10 year old child pregnant?
How does it affect her mental state as a child?

Do you not see the traumatic problem associated with this?
Do you also know the problem of Child marriages in countries like Nigeria?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers

How do you determine that the mental state of the mother is made better by killing the child? Even if she couldn't bring up the child, there is always the option for adoption.
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Jul 2 2015, 10:48 AM)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers

How do you determine that the mental state of the mother is made better by killing the child? Even if she couldn't bring up the child, there is always the option for adoption.
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/...orced_into.html


In one case, one of the mother was so traumatised (already traumatised by the rape) forced into cesarean , wanted to commit suicide.

Do you know what is Post Traumatic Stress disorder?

BTW, that's not very nice of you to post "what false teaching" in your Catholic Thread condemning us here.

So judgemental of you as a Christian, exhibiting Holier than thou and the tone of your voice seem seems to treat me with disdain and disgust.

Some Christian you are.


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Hey brothers,

Please do stop with this back and forth on abortion. biggrin.gif This thing is just like unending genealogies which is not helpful.

And yeeck, as much as, we don't comment on your thread, you don't have to generalize or "demonize" us to make a point. That is very unhealthy.

Let's us all just agree to stop here.

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 1 2015, 11:44 PM)
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Science can't create souls.

There are people who still need God.
Oh my...If I get fat, its on you.  vmad.gif
Oh my..Are you still picking on Martin Luther?  shocking.gif

Those who accepts divorce and gay marriage are not Christians. Same as Catholics priests who commit "sins" are not Christians.

Don't get me started on Catholics... brows.gif
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Now now, no need to get rowdy over 1 Catholic dude.
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QUOTE(pehkay @ Jul 2 2015, 11:13 AM)
Hey brothers,

Please do stop with this back and forth on abortion. biggrin.gif This thing is just like unending genealogies which is not helpful.

And yeeck, as much as, we don't comment on your thread, you don't have to generalize or "demonize" us to make a point. That is very unhealthy.

Let's us all just agree to stop here.

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No, not at all generalizing.. only to one poster here who supports abortion.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 2 2015, 10:53 AM)
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/...orced_into.html
In one case, one of the mother was so traumatised (already traumatised by the rape) forced into cesarean , wanted to commit suicide.

Do you know what is Post Traumatic Stress disorder?

BTW, that's not very nice of you to post "what false teaching" in your Catholic Thread condemning us here.

So judgemental of you as a Christian, exhibiting Holier than thou and the tone of your voice seem seems to treat me with disdain and disgust.

Some Christian you are.
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I only mention what I see. Sorry, but being politically-correct is not really my forte.

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Jul 2 2015, 01:43 PM)
No, not at all generalizing.. only to one poster here who supports abortion.
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I only mention what I see. Sorry, but being politically-correct is not really my forte.
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I was trying to express on what grounds Obama may have supported from on abortion.

And you Flip out, quick to be judgemental and condemning, exhibiting some sort of holier than thou attitude.

Don't you think this sort of character of yours push away people from Christ?

BTW, I don't mind if you want to hide behind the excuse of "being politically-correct is not really my forte".

But if you can't answer that, retract on your statement of what "false teaching" because it doesn't qualify.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 2 2015, 03:41 PM)
I was trying to express  on what grounds Obama may have supported from on abortion. 

And you Flip out, quick to be judgemental and condemning, exhibiting some sort of holier than thou attitude.

Don't you think this sort of character of yours push away people from Christ?
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Free-and-easy kind of abortions should never be tolerated by any Christian. I get even more shocked when the goalpost seems to be shifted from determining when an unborn child is considered to have life, and mental-state. Anyway, the lines have been drawn. If that is what you hold on to, I have nothing further to say here.

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Free-and-easy kind of abortions should never be tolerated by any Christian. I get even more shocked when the goalpost seems to be shifted from determining when an unborn child is considered to have life, and mental-state. Anyway, the lines have been drawn. If that is what you hold on to, I have nothing further to say here.
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You can also stop your strawman fallacy, don't think anybody is even talking about (what more disagreeing) on free and easy kind of abortion.
I did mentioned on child pregnancy specifically.

I felt that, you're too quick to judge, enforcing your long tradition Catholic doctrine on abortion just to push this to a shove.

BTW, I don't mind if you want to hide behind the excuse of "being politically-correct is not really my forte".

But if you can't answer that, retract on your statement of whatever "false teaching" you're implying because we are not.

And do contemplate 1 Corinthians 13

1 If I speak in the tonguesa of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,b but do not have love, I gain nothing.

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Ask Martin Luther? tongue.gif
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What has abortion got to do with Christianity ? Even religions which believe in rebirth have no qualms on abortions, why should Christianity which believe their God is almighty ?
If an abortion is carried out and no one stops it, it means their God approved it. Simple logic.
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That is a red herring biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 1 2015, 12:49 AM)
Link the Bible in it's entirety.

The main theme is this: Apart from Christ, there is no hope and neither is repentance nor Salvation made available. The Law of God cannot provide this for us.
We already know this because we are handed with the complete Bible.
If you read Hebrews 10: 1-18, it explains why the Law cannot make us Holy, neither justify us or cleansed our sins. But by One Act of Christ, God has removed every sins of the believer forever. Verse 18 says it like this:

And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.


Do you see that? Sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary. What Jesus did was a DONE deal once and for all.

However, these people at that time, rejected Christ, despite having seen all that Christ has spoken and done. For them no sacrifice for sins is left. Because God has set aside and nullified the first covenant. (Hebrews 10:9  & Hebrews 8:13)

If you're concern about deliberate /willful sinning part, perhaps if you see this verse, you may understand better.

Hebrews 3:12 (NIV) - See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.

Meaning Unbelief is a Sin.

If you replace the word deliberate sinning with deliberate unbelief and read further down from Hebrews 10: 27-31, you may began to see the revelation.

After all, In Hebrews 3:13 it did say to encourage one another day after day and Hebrews 10:25 does say not giving up meeting together..
All these in context of encouraging one another through assemblies of the Church to spur on Faith.
If you look from Bird's eye view of all these. It's talking about people who willfully or deliberately reject Christ or choose not to believe in Him, for them, there is no more sacrifice of sins left and be brought back to repentance.
(Hebrews 10:26 & Hebrews 6:6).
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I didn't expect that one line to go so far deep laugh.gif

Then I come back to this thread to see 45 new posts O_O

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I didn't expect that one line to go so far deep laugh.gif

Then I come back to this thread to see 45 new posts O_O
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The trend usually doesn't fail.

Whenever Grace of Christ is preached strongly, I noticed there are usually follow ups of attack just to divert the attention.


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QUOTE(pehkay @ Jul 2 2015, 11:13 AM)
Hey brothers,

Please do stop with this back and forth on abortion. biggrin.gif This thing is just like unending genealogies which is not helpful.

And yeeck, as much as, we don't comment on your thread, you don't have to generalize or "demonize" us to make a point. That is very unhealthy.

Let's us all just agree to stop here.

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That is a red herring biggrin.gif
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I believe he's under bondage. Actually If you think about it, there's really no reason for the average Chinese Man to hate Christianity with such passion. I mean generally we all know there is this misunderstanding in the Chinese culture against our Faith when it comes to ancestral worship, that's where the conflict usually starts from. But his long century hatred really takes the cake. Even I'm wondering if any Christian may have accidentally knock his car or something like that. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 2 2015, 07:57 PM)
I believe he's under bondage. Actually If you think about it, there's really no reason for the average Chinese Man to hate Christianity with such passion. I mean generally we all know there is this misunderstanding in the Chinese culture against our Faith when it comes to ancestral worship, that's where the conflict usually starts from. But his long century hatred really takes the cake. Even I'm wondering if any Christian may have accidentally knock his car or something like that.  laugh.gif
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Oh yeah, I've read his posts regarding the world two biggest religions. So much hatred. shocking.gif

Oh Chinese ancestral worship...The one that pray in front of the small altar with food offerings inside. Right?

Oh maybe a Christian stole his favourite durian. brows.gif
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To be exact they pray to the family nameplates. Other idols can sit together I think? that's what I saw at my grandparent's house.
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QUOTE(BeastX @ Jul 2 2015, 05:37 AM)
Science has no opinions on souls, as it's an ill defined concept. Conciousness however could be quantified. If you want to define it differently, science has no say.

Assertion that a body becomes lighter when death is testable as has proven to be untrue, A person body weight fluctuates all the time during life and death, a human body is algamation of multitudes of microbes of around 1.2kg, when a person dies, these microbes are still alive and respirating, if one is to totally seal a body at a person's death, all the molecules and atoms that accounts to that person would remains the same hence the same mass.

In 30 years, some period (I quote 50 years) of longevity could be achieve, immortality maybe far off but I would not rule it out. I conciously chose the words, so I've no qualms on them.

An educated guess is still a guess, but as someone in the field of Genomics, it's an insight at least.
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with a background in the field of Genomics, do u not think tat there is actually a Grand Designer behind the complexity of DNA strands, etc?

or u rather go with randomness then? Creationism doesn't hold water with u? Why? Personally, evolution doesn't explain a lot of things.
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 2 2015, 09:34 PM)
To be exact they pray to the family nameplates. Other idols can sit together I think? that's what I saw at my grandparent's house.
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shocking.gif

I saw some altar in a restaurant where they have this big dude with a big spear.

Occasionally I would see beer can, lottery tickets, etc inside the altar too. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 2 2015, 09:43 PM)
shocking.gif

I saw some altar in a restaurant where they have this big dude with a big spear.

Occasionally I would see beer can, lottery tickets, etc inside the altar too.  hmm.gif
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The dude with the big spear is most likely Guan Yu. Red face, very tall and no-belly muscular build with a huge glaive, right?

People pray to him for protection. Both gangers and policemen adopt him as their patron god laugh.gif

But it could also be someone else with a similar weapon.

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 2 2015, 10:09 PM)
The dude with the big spear is most likely Guan Yu. Red face, very tall and no-belly muscular build with a huge glaive, right?

People pray to him for protection. Both gangers and policemen adopt him as their patron god laugh.gif

But it could also be someone else with a similar weapon.
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Red face! Yeah! I remember his belly is quite big. blush.gif


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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 2 2015, 09:36 PM)
with a background in the field of Genomics, do u not think tat there is actually a Grand Designer behind the complexity of DNA strands, etc?

or u rather go with randomness then? Creationism doesn't hold water with u? Why? Personally, evolution doesn't explain a lot of things.
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You could choose to believe all (or select) the creation believes and grand designers you want... until you can demonstrate it to be true, it's just myths...

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 2 2015, 10:09 PM)
The dude with the big spear is most likely Guan Yu. Red face, very tall and no-belly muscular build with a huge glaive, right?

People pray to him for protection. Both gangers and policemen adopt him as their patron god laugh.gif

But it could also be someone else with a similar weapon.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 2 2015, 10:14 PM)
shocking.gif

Red face! Yeah! I remember his belly is quite big.  blush.gif
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Chinese Folk Religion...
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You could choose to believe all (or select) the creation believes and grand designers you want... until you can demonstrate it to be true, it's just myths...
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 2 2015, 09:23 PM)
Oh yeah, I've read his posts regarding the world two biggest religions. So much hatred.  shocking.gif

Oh Chinese ancestral worship...The one that pray in front of the small altar with food offerings inside. Right?

Oh maybe a Christian stole his favourite durian.  brows.gif
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what happened to this thread? @.@

something nice to listen here

Jesus Be The Center featuring Sidney Mohede and Jun Sakakiyama live in Live Church Hamamatsu


God's Great Dance Floor featuring Chris Tomlin


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I thought this thread is just people being decent and all
Got some heated discussion pulak
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Don't be silly. Christians don't steal.
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Romans 3:10 NIV

As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;

QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jul 3 2015, 11:29 PM)
what happened to this thread? @.@

something nice to listen here

Jesus Be The Center featuring Sidney Mohede and Jun Sakakiyama live in Live Church Hamamatsu

God's Great Dance Floor featuring Chris Tomlin
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This what happened when one poser talk so much about "pro-abortion" and want to play God all the time. doh.gif

And always picked on Martin Luther. shakehead.gif
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I thought this thread is just people being decent and all
Got some heated discussion pulak
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No cursing please. You want decent, go home and read your bible.

All part of Christian fellowship. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(throwaway123123 @ Jul 4 2015, 12:13 AM)
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I thought this thread is just people being decent and all
Got some heated discussion pulak
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Oh you got to be kidding me. You don't be silly and pretend to be righteous.

Romans 3:10 NIV

As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;
This what happened when one poser talk so much about "pro-abortion" and want to play God all the time.  doh.gif

And always picked on Martin Luther.  shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(throwaway123123 @ Jul 4 2015, 12:13 AM)
Waffak
I thought this thread is just people being decent and all
Got some heated discussion pulak
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It's not meant to be like that but since our thread is kinda of popular, it attracts jealous christian haters and atheist alike though we never invite them.

Don't mind to disclose 2 of them

BeastX and Simpletraveler.


They know very well this is a fellowship thread meant for Christians to fellowship and yet it rustle their jimmies too much.


Honestly I don't care. One more conflict from any of them and I will report to the Moderators.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 4 2015, 12:42 PM)
It's not meant to be like that but since our thread is kinda of popular, it attracts jealous christian haters and atheist alike though we never invite them.

Don't mind to disclose 2 of them

BeastX and Simpletraveler.
They know very well this is a fellowship thread meant for Christians to fellowship and yet it rustle their jimmies too much.
Honestly I don't care. One more conflict from any of them and I will report to the Moderators.
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Do they do the same to Muslim Fellowship thread? hmm.gif
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Do they do the same to Muslim Fellowship thread? hmm.gif
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Simpletarveler perhaps, beastx I don't know as I don't always sniff the other threads like it affects me as much as it affects them.
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i found 1 nice song for you listen it and awake biggrin.gif


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Love Run Red something.

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Chris Tomlin Jesus loves me.
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I just want to make 1 thing clear.

Non Christians and even Atheists AND even Moslems or Buddhist, Hindus, etc are welcome to join us in fellowship on the condition that you be nice to everyone.

If you have questions (genuine) for the sake of wanting to understand Christianity and not arguing for the purpose of trying to rebut our Faith (you are wrong and I am right rebuttal), you are most welcome to join and ask.

But if you think you can come here for "other" purposes, we will report you for trying to cause conflict.

Don't come in here trying to be a hero. We already know your believes or doctrine. You can argue all you want in RWI but not here.

Hope you understand.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 4 2015, 12:53 PM)
there's a new album Bro.

Love Run Red something.

Search for

Chris Tomlin Jesus loves me.
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Now you mentioned it, I kinda heard of that album but can't really find any of it on torrents site
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jul 4 2015, 08:52 PM)
Now you mentioned it, I kinda heard of that album but can't really find any of it on torrents site
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Chris Tomlin has official youtube page, there's plenty u can search.

Jesus loves me is a very very very good song, I fell in love with it when I first heard it, many months ago.
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This Man ‘Grew’ a Church From Living Trees


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his living, breathing, green church is a personal project long in the making for New Zealander Barry Cox. As a deeply religious child, he aspired to be Pope one day. But a deep love of trees (his business, Treelocations, rescues and relocates them) combined with a lifelong fascination with the ecclesiastical architecture eventually led to what he calls “Tree Church”—a beautiful merger of his passions. Originally created as a place of private enjoyment for Cox and his family (it’s set right in his own backyard) Tree Church opened to the public just this year after overwhelming interest from friends, local garden clubs, and couples looking to marry—who are now lining up to book weddings. And, well, look at it. It’s difficult to imagine any more lushly beautiful sanctuary to wed, plan an event, or simply relax and ponder the wonders of creation.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 4 2015, 10:31 PM)
Chris Tomlin has official youtube page, there's plenty u can search.

Jesus loves me is a very very very good song, I fell in love with it when I first heard it, many months ago.
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it's more contemporary style for this song and it's much softer tone from all his previous songs
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i found 1 nice song for you listen it and awake biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 4 2015, 10:40 PM)
This Man ‘Grew’ a Church From Living Trees

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Nice. Ah, never heard of Lecrae before.
This dude landscaping skills are top notch.  notworthy.gif
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on the side note, my granduncle was called home to glory early this afternoon, he was 95......... sad.gif
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jul 5 2015, 10:59 PM)
i was watching screen red channel just awhile ago, quite a funny movie airing right now starring loius koo and jackie chan titled rob b hood, very funny

on the side note, my granduncle was called home to glory early this afternoon, he was 95......... sad.gif
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huh, a chinese version of robin hood? tongue.gif

Sorry to hear that.
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Nice. Ah, never heard of Lecrae before.
This dude landscaping skills are top notch.  notworthy.gif
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To me they're one of the best. Really Hip Hop no doubt.
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God is the authour of all science and math, right? biggrin.gif

I have some super awesome stuff to share and it's the Song of Pi



A minor version

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 5 2015, 11:51 PM)
If you want to sample Christian Hip Hop, install spotify and search for Ill Harmonics.

To me they're one of the best. Really Hip Hop no doubt.
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Is there Spotify in Malaysia? I'm using Germany T-Mobile for Spotify access premium account.

Every month I pay €36 for unlimited access.

In Malaysia, I'm using Digi.

Not hip hop, but German Christian music.





The only English hip hop I know is Iggy Azelea. blush.gif
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Any of you struggle praying on daily basis?

No I'm not playing police here, maybe we can share challenges and difficulties.
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Does anyone own a faith lessons dvd by ray vander laan?
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I'm not sure how to explain why, but I don't pray every day. I guess I didn't think I need to keep repeating and trust things will go its course? Dunno.
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Also last week my church's sermon talked about wisdom. It's the Wisdom's banquet, where Lady Wisdom urges people to leave their simple ways.

I keep wondering one thing: What are 'simple ways'? If it's worldliness I don't see how it's simple. In fact man-made religion is complicated sial.
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Any of you struggle praying on daily basis?

No I'm not playing police here, maybe we can share challenges and difficulties.
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I know I do. Sometimes after I finished browsing lowyat forum, I would just sleep without praying. I do pray in the morning though.

When I watched a really scary horror movie, I would pray too. shocking.gif

So how do we overcome this? Is it laziness or due to lack of motivation?


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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 7 2015, 06:05 PM)
I'm not sure how to explain why, but I don't pray every day. I guess I didn't think I need to keep repeating and trust things will go its course? Dunno.
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Prayers to me isn't just requests but can be just simple and plain conversation with Father God. Sometime I just talk to him on the things that irritates me in life. lol.

QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 7 2015, 11:12 PM)
I know I do. Sometimes after I finished browsing lowyat forum, I would just sleep without praying. I do pray in the morning though.

When I watched a really scary horror movie, I would pray too.  shocking.gif

So how do we overcome this? Is it laziness or due to lack of motivation?
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not bad. At least you pray every day.
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The Definition of a Priest

The dictionary tells us that a priest is a person who serves God professionally. Most Christians would tell us that a priest is one who serves God. This is right, but what does it mean to serve God? Today’s Christians would answer that to serve God is to work for God. This answer is wrong! To say that a priest is a person who serves God is right, but to say that to serve God is merely to do something for God, is wrong.

Priests are the most normal and proper persons, those who realize that God's plan is to work Himself into a group of people in order that He might be their life and that they might become His expression—1 Pet. 2:5, 9; Rev. 1:6.

The Scriptures reveal that before the ages, in eternity past before the foundation of the world, God had a good pleasure, a heart’s desire (Eph. 1:9). According to His good pleasure, He made a purpose, an intention, to gain His heart’s desire, and He also made a plan to accomplish His purpose (3:11). In this plan He determined to work Himself into a group of people so that He might be their life and they might be His expression (1:5). Based on this divine determination, God created man. Man was destined to receive God, to be filled with God, to be saturated and permeated with God, and even to flow God out, so that he might be the living expression of God (Gen. 1:26; 2:8-10; John 7:37-39; Eph. 3:19; 1:22-23).

Although a priest is a person who serves God, this does not mean that he works for God and does something for God. According to the revelation of the Scriptures, to serve God is to receive God into us, to contact God, and to be filled with God, saturated with God, and permeated with God. Furthermore, to serve God is to flow God out and, in this flow of God, to be built up with others as a corporate expression of God. This is the proper meaning of serving God and of being a priest.

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How to pray in d morning and night...,

Any example?
how long does each prayer takes time?
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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Jul 9 2015, 08:07 AM)
How to pray in d morning and night...,

Any example?
how long does each prayer takes time?
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Hi Cute Miao,

You know, prayer is just basically talking to God.

It is best to pray earnestly as how your spirit pray. You can also ask for the Holy Spirit to help you to pray before you start your prayer.
Prayer is best lead by the Holy Spirit in you and thus there is no rule how long or fast a prayer should be.


Don't feel bad if it's too short or the words spoken doesn't seem to sound good.
What is important is that your prayers is genuine and just truly earnest with nothing to hide.
I mean if you're angry, express it in prayer, if you're sad and disappointed, express that out too.

You know why? By putting methodology on how to pray in the morning or night, we create our own rules,
And thus It can be in a way become ritualistic, praying for the sake of praying (robotic) rather than praying earnestly or in Spirit and in Truth.

Hope this helps a bit if not at least.

God Bless.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 9 2015, 09:01 AM)
Hi Cute Miao,

You know, prayer is just basically talking to God.

It is best to pray earnestly as how your spirit pray. You can also ask for the Holy Spirit to help you to pray before you start your prayer.
Prayer is best lead by the Holy Spirit in you and thus there is no rule how long or fast a prayer should be.
Don't feel bad if it's too short or the words spoken doesn't seem to sound good.
What is important is that your prayers is genuine and just truly earnest with nothing to hide.
I mean if you're angry, express it in prayer, if you're sad and disappointed, express that out too.

You know why? By putting methodology on how to pray in the morning or night, we create our own rules,
And thus It can be in a way become ritualistic, praying for the sake of praying (robotic) rather than praying earnestly or in Spirit and in Truth.

Hope this helps a bit if not at least.

God Bless.
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mind to share some examples?
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QUOTE(cute_miao @ Jul 9 2015, 11:13 AM)
mind to share some examples?
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hi hi biggrin.gif

allow me to jump in. Have you received JESUS as saviour ? if you look at WWJD thread and look how megatron123 hated about GOD ? most likely megatron was genuine then devil bullied him to impress that prayer is not working.

atheist cannot differentiate between HS (Holy Spirit) and other spirit so we concern that when you pray, you have some experience, you think from Holy Spirit, but actually devil deceived you.

Only people that received JESUS as savior can differentiate between which one is HS and which one is not. Then from that, prayer life can grow.
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jul 9 2015, 11:26 AM)
hi hi biggrin.gif

allow me to jump in. Have you received JESUS as saviour ? if you look at WWJD thread and look how megatron123 hated about GOD ? most likely megatron was genuine then devil bullied him to impress that prayer is not working.

atheist cannot differentiate between HS (Holy Spirit) and other spirit so we concern that when you pray, you have some experience, you think from Holy Spirit, but actually devil deceived you.

Only people that received JESUS as savior can differentiate between which one is HS and which one is not. Then from that, prayer life can grow.
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not bad. At least you pray every day.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 9 2015, 07:50 PM)
Well I try my best though. Definitely not everyday.
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I have this problem. I do pray but I seem to think that if a stronger brother or sister prays for me, God will answer will my prayer better. Its a misconception, of course.

But I don't have faith in my own prayer, that is the problem I am facing. I sometimes think that God listens to me less if I pray, in contrast to others praying for me. I know its not true but my actions does it.
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Are you sure? hmm.gif

I think of this verse about your situation.

Luke 12:29-31

29 And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it. 30 For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father knows that you need them. 31 But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well.

Always remember that our God is a loving God, and there is nothing that is impossible for Him.

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But what about those unanswered prayers?

I can only know 2 things. Maybe because we didn't ask, or we didn't ask the "right" question?

Secondly, our motive is wrong?

Or the things that we ask is not according to God's will?

Perhaps our senior members can shed light upon this. I'm curious too.
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jul 9 2015, 10:12 PM)
I have this problem. I do pray but I seem to think that if a stronger brother or sister prays for me, God will answer will my prayer better. Its a misconception, of course.

But I don't have faith in my own prayer, that is the problem I am facing. I sometimes think that God listens to me less if I pray, in contrast to others praying for me. I know its not true but my actions does it.
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That's the promptings of the Devil.

You must recognize it as that and reject it completely then believe in the word that God says He WILL hear your prayer and He WILL answer by Faith.

Now you know the reason why we must live by Faith and not by the works of our hands?
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 10 2015, 12:11 AM)
But what about those unanswered prayers?

I can only know 2 things. Maybe because we didn't ask, or we didn't ask the "right" question?

Secondly, our motive is wrong?

Or the things that we ask is not according to God's will?

Perhaps our senior members can shed light upon this. I'm curious too.
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mind to share some examples?
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Morning, pray for Wisdom, Protection, Grace, etc that sort of thing.

Night, Just spend quiet time talking to God about your day.

If you want format of Prayer, I'm sure you know Jesus already laid that out.
You can use that as an example but let it flow naturally with the Spirit.


Matthew 6 (NIV)


9“This, then, is how you should pray:

“ ‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,

10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.

11 Give us today our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.

13 And lead us not into temptation,a
but deliver us from the evil one. ’

The format basically teaches us to

1. First Address and Recognize the Sovereign Power and Authority of God. Hallowed be your name means Great in Power and Sovereign is your Name. When we understand this, it should put us at ease to have faith that things will not fall apart or that there will be random mishap. (Ver9)

2. Learn to be submissive to God and trust that He knows best...YOUR Kingdom come, YOUR WILL be done. (ver 10)

3. Know that you have a Right to ask for your daily bread AKA your daily need in life. This is not food mind you but everything you need in life. Can be anything, in your work place, at home, personal...Anything and Everything. (ver 11)

4. Learn to be forgiving and really...what I mean Forgive is You can remember the hurt but you can FORGET about holding on to it in grudge. Let go. If you hold on to grudges and unforgiveness, it stifle your prayer and Christian life (ver 12)

5. Last but not least you CAN pray asking the Father to spare you from testings. I know in the Christian community, we all learn that testings are meant to build us up, even though painful but here Jesus teaches us that WE CAN ask God to spare us from trials, testings. You know why? We can do so much more when everything is at peace. (ver 13)


There you go, hope it helps you.

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jul 9 2015, 10:12 PM)
I have this problem. I do pray but I seem to think that if a stronger brother or sister prays for me, God will answer will my prayer better. Its a misconception, of course.

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Do you know why indonesia has revival ? because a lot of people pray.
Do you know why malaysia almost no revival ? because lesser headcount pray.

So it's not a misconception. Your logic is correct.

Why WWJD thread success ? a lot of people pray for it. Honestly that thread should dead long time ago but somehow it just survived.

Headcount matters.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 10 2015, 09:03 AM)
Morning, pray for Wisdom, Protection, Grace, etc that sort of thing.

Night, Just spend quiet time talking to God about your day.

If you want format of Prayer, I'm sure you know Jesus already laid that out.
You can use that as an example but let it flow naturally with the Spirit.
Matthew 6 (NIV)
9“This, then, is how you should pray:

“ ‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,

10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.

11 Give us today our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.

13 And lead us not into temptation,a
but deliver us from the evil one. ’

The format basically teaches us to

1. First Address and Recognize the Sovereign Power and Authority of God. Hallowed be your name means Great in Power and Sovereign is your Name. When we understand this, it should put us at ease to have faith that things will not fall apart or that there will be random mishap. (Ver9)

2. Learn to be submissive to God and trust that He knows best...YOUR Kingdom come, YOUR WILL be done. (ver 10)

3. Know that you have a Right to ask for your daily bread AKA your daily need in life. This is not food mind you but everything you need in life. Can be anything, in your work place, at home, personal...Anything and Everything. (ver 11)

4. Learn to be forgiving and really...what I mean Forgive is You can remember the hurt but you can FORGET about holding on to it in grudge. Let go. If you hold on to grudges and unforgiveness, it stifle your prayer and Christian life (ver 12)

5. Last but not least you CAN pray asking the Father to spare you from testings. I know in the Christian community, we all learn that testings are meant to build us up, even though painful but here Jesus teaches us that WE CAN ask God to spare us from trials, testings. You know why? We can do so much more when everything is at peace. (ver 13)
There you go, hope it helps you.
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jul 10 2015, 01:01 PM)
That's why I also pray in tandem with with my prayer request with others.

I dunno why my prayer have not been effective. I pray last time but I feel not answered.

But I always hear people say "bless the work of your hands"
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thats because your imagination is somewhere else.

Mark 11:24
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

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believe that you have received meaning: your imagination has to imagine you already received, regardless present condition.

when you received something, you suppose to be happy and content right ?

are you happy n content after praying, or feel betrayed ?
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jul 10 2015, 01:01 PM)
That's why I also pray in tandem with with my prayer request with others.

I dunno why my prayer have not been effective. I pray last time but I feel not answered.

But I always hear people say "bless the work of your hands"
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Try to capture the secret of why Joseph was so successful wherever he go and whatever situation he's in.

It'll answer what you're asking.

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Jerm_vii - Protestant | Worship Team

Hopefully I wrote that right
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jun 26 2015, 03:11 PM)

I need some context help.

Hebrew 10:26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

What constitutes as 'deliberately sinning' here? As long humans are humans we're going to carry bad habits and sinful habits to the grave. Because nobody is perfect.

There has to be a bigger context here
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Can I put it another way? Can you be out of Fellowship with God and still be Saved?

Would this be more accurate? In the end, it boils down to OSAS again.
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jul 11 2015, 11:02 AM)
Question about motive. I used to ask people to pray for me on the search of a life partner.

They tell me to seek God and His righteousness first then proceeded to say - serve at your church.

But at our office, in our daily lives, in our quiet time we also seek God and His righteousness.

I am not really against serving, just that there is a time and place for serving. I have served before at one point in time and may think about going back to serving. The thing is, serving takes a lot of time, i am not able to do a lot of things if i serve full time.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 7 2015, 08:38 AM)
Any of you struggle praying on daily basis?

No I'm not playing police here, maybe we can share challenges and difficulties.
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this prayer will be my guide..sorry its BM

Bapa kami yang ada di syurga,
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datanglah kerajaanmu,
jadilah kehendak mu di atas bumi seperti di dalam syurga,
berilah kami rezeki pada hari ini dan ampunilah kesalahan kami seperti kami pun mengampuni yang bersalah kepada kami dan jangan masukkan kami kedalam percubaan tetapi bebaskan lah kami dari yang jahat.
Sebab Tuhan la Raja, yang mulia dan berkuasa, untuk selama lamanya. Amen..


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QUOTE(mokumoku @ Jul 13 2015, 12:03 PM)
there is a times when im blur on praying but when i do
this prayer will be my guide..sorry its BM

Bapa kami yang ada di syurga,
dimuliakan lah namamu,
datanglah kerajaanmu,
jadilah kehendak mu di atas bumi seperti di dalam syurga,
berilah kami rezeki pada hari ini dan ampunilah kesalahan kami seperti kami pun mengampuni yang bersalah kepada kami dan jangan masukkan kami kedalam percubaan tetapi bebaskan lah kami dari yang jahat.
Sebab Tuhan la Raja, yang mulia dan berkuasa, untuk selama lamanya. Amen..
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I can read that and translate it to English in my mind. biggrin.gif

It's good to be specific sometimes in prayer.

For example, say you have problem with somebody, tell it to God.

"Father God, you know this person has a problem with me in this area because of this and that. I pray for Wisdom, I pray for everything to work together according to your word for my good, etc etc."

End in Jesus Name always.







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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 13 2015, 01:13 PM)
I can read that and translate it to English in my mind.  biggrin.gif

It's good to be specific sometimes in prayer.

For example, say you have problem with somebody, tell it to God.

"Father God, you know this person has a problem with me in this area because of this and that. I pray for Wisdom, I pray for everything to work together according to your word for my good, etc etc."

End in Jesus Name always.
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Yup,always end with "atas nama Yesus Kristus,Amen"
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For those who don't know, the Name of Jesus Christ is the key of David, mentioned in the book of Revelations and it is the ONLY Name that God will answer and honor.

This has been proven time and time again ever since Christ ascended to Heaven that God only moves in the name of his Son.

I can testify this and many many Christians around the world. This is the evidence of a living God.


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Just curious,
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What about it? It is a clear cut sign of insult to God, when the rainbow was used as a sign to mankind after the flood and yet these degenerate homos
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What about it? It is a clear cut sign of insult to God, when the rainbow was used as a sign to mankind after the flood and yet these degenerate homos
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Yep. The time is coming near. They are now resorting to this. The reason why I am posting this is to let Christians know what we are now dealing with. The weird thing is, this does not seem to be discussed before.

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Early this morning I was listening to a Bible teacher teaching on prophecy and how it looks like America and the world are at the end of the Church Age (Age of Grace). He was talking about U.S. Supreme Court decisions.

The teacher was in the book of Romans and he was in the first chapter. The teacher was Les Feldick presenting his then weekly teaching by way of his Through the Bible television ministry. The year the program was produced was 1995. I was listening to his teaching Friday, June 26, 2015 --20 years later. A Christian TV cable network on our cable outlet is running the series on a daily basis at 5 a.m.

Les, as I understand, is now in his mid 80s and, I'm sure, still teaching somewhere in Oklahoma. I once met him at the Tulsa Mid-America Prophecy Conference held annually in early April. that was 7 or 8 years ago.

Today, a few hours after I listened to him teaching from that video recording back in that year 2 decades earlier, I heard on network television the announcement.

It was Pete Williams of NBC News --who you might remember as the Pentagon spokesperson during the first Gulf War-- standing near the wildly cheering crowd. The NBC correspondent --an avowed "gay"-- had to clear his throat of emotion before answering the anchor's question about what had just happened at the Supreme Court.

He enthusiastically gave the requested report, almost shouting to be heard above the jubilant throng screaming their approval of the court's decision.

The decision was 5 to 4, with the swing vote coming from Justice Kennedy, Williams said. The United States would now require every state to accept same sex marriage as constitutionally validated.

Twenty years earlier, Les Feldick had dealt with what I was now hearing from Pete Williams on Friday, June 26 of this year.

Les said during that early morning program, recorded in 1995, that every time he read through Romans, Chapter 1, he couldn't help but think of the almost insane decisions that come out of the U.S. Supreme Court. He said that the insanity really began back during the days when Earl Warren, the former governor of California, was appointed Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

The Warren court, Les said, had rendered the most destructive decisions in American history. He mentioned the decision to remove prayer and Bible reading from public schools in 1962 and 1963. He talked about Roe v Wade, issued in 1973, opening up the nation to the slaughter of babies in the wombs of America's mothers.

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He compared the Warren Supreme Court's decision making and the resultant chaos to Paul's condemning words in his letter to the Romans.

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." (Rom 1: 18-32)


Les Feldick, in that lesson recorded 2 decades ago, saw the Supreme Court as demonstrating that God's Word is absolutely True. When man moves away from God, their minds become reprobate --that is upside-down in their thinking. they make foolish, unthinking, unreasonable decisions. And, the Supreme Court, the majority of those 9 men (not all were reprobate in thinking,) seemed to try, like Lucifer himself, to usurp the Throne of God --the Creator of all things.

There were ramifications, in my view, from those earlier Supreme Court decisions. John F. Kennedy was assassinated; Vietnam would eventually take 50,000 American lives; The Great Society began the financial collapse of the U.S. --and the world, for that matter; Martin Luther King, Jr. was murdered, as was Robert F. Kennedy; a slide into abject immorality and cultural rot continues today, as a result of those decisions which have exacerbated other aspects of national life.

Friday, June 26, 2015 is another historical, milestone demarcation of man's foolishness. The decision to, in effect, tell the Creator that the Supreme Court knows what constitutes marriage, so He should just butt out, is the ultimate insult in testing God's patience. It is an act of rebellion that demonstrates this generation has reached a level of reprobate thinking like that reached by the earth-dwellers of Noah's pre-flood day and Sodom's days of Lot.

I've received a number of emails stating that such a Supreme Court vote making mandatory that all states allow gay marriage will bring instant retribution from Heaven. This is what we are now to expect. The United States will now reap God's Judgment and Wrath in short order.

Looking at what happened almost immediately following the 1962 and 1963 decisions by the Warren Court --considering the apparent consequences listed above-- it would seem such predictions have credence. I'm not at all sure there is a valid comparison to be made, then to now, however.

That which happened in those earlier years, with those consequences that befell America, I'm of the conviction, involved corrective action --a call by God to this nation, imploring that there be a turning from such rebellion. A question to ponder is: does time remain sufficient enough to even warrant a call in the form of corrective action? I.e., Has the Lord just decided in this obviously late, late hour, to turn America over to a "reprobate mind," as the Apostle Paul (Rom 1:28) indicates for a rebellious people who have turned their back on Him?

Paul tells God's Thought about those who treat the Lord with contempt.

"But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God..." (Rom 2: 5)

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Despite this warning of God's Judgment and Wrath accumulating, we get a look into the Lord's Merciful Patience.

"What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much long suffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction." (Rom 9: 22)

The Apostle Peter explains God's patience --the reason He hasn't ended mankind's rebellion to this point.

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2 Pet 3: 9)

All who name the name of Jesus Christ should not be caught up in the cares of this world, in becoming more and more like the world system of materialism. While we must live upon this world of quickly declining morality, we should be aware of what the forces of evil are perpetrating. We should stand against those powers and principalities, both human and supernatural, just as written in Ephesians 6: 12.

The buying, selling, planting, the marrying --heterosexual or otherwise-- is a way of life that is going to end in one stupefying microsecond of time. The Christian will stand before his or her Lord and give an account of whether we have been working and watching for Christ, or whether we have been caught up totally in the cares of this world, with callous disregard for being salt and light as we see the end of the age approaching.

"And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth." (Lk 21: 34-35)

The only Court that is going to matter ultimately is that which renders the Supreme's Decision on how we, individually, have lived within or apart from His Governance.

Make sure you aren't one whose head is stuck deeply into the proverbial sand of worldliness and apathy.


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Don't you guys understand this is a fallen world?

There is no redeeming this world. It will be destroyed.

What happening now is already prophesied.

Why do you act as if this is a surprise? What is there to discuss anyway?

Preaching of more hate and condemnation? And You think that will change this world?

If you think this world will get better, you are very mistaken in your own doctrine of understanding.

As Christian we need to keep calm at all times and be at peace. If this upsets you, you should try and look and understand your position in Christ.



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Dear friends, been having migrain for some time now wondering what is the problem here. when it strike me it hurt so much, that i need to take pain killer almost everyday
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Did you stop some kind of caffeine intake?
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Dear friends, been having migrain for some time now wondering what is the problem here. when it strike me it hurt so much, that i need to take pain killer almost everyday
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Not enough sleep?

Min 8 hours IMO.
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Dear friends, been having migrain for some time now wondering what is the problem here. when it strike me it hurt so much, that i need to take pain killer almost everyday
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I have migraine when i am under pressure. I pretty much know it's mostly muscles, but it does not mean fixing muscle can replace sleeping and relaxing.

all muscles start from your eye, neck, shoulder must be stiff. It has to be relaxed. i am quite sure if you gently press your shoulder you have sense of relieved ?

http://lexingtonheadacheclinic.com/learn/migraines.php
take a look at those website and identify those muscles. google those muscles on how to stretch them. on second site

http://round-earth.com/HeadPainIntro.html
all red dotted location try to press them. do you feel sense of relieved ? then you know which part is spasm

Also after relaxing them, then your sleep will be much better.
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QUOTE(pehkay @ Jul 14 2015, 12:43 PM)
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nope, i'm not a coffee drinker. i do drink starbucks coffee though but that is very rare

unknown warrior no idea, i sleep early also headache, the migraines focus only on 1 area, it's a straight line when it occur it's really bad, still able to work but it make you stun momentary due to the pain.

de1929 maybe i should go and get myself a good massage, there is 1 time many years back after massage, my whole body was so relaxed
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 14 2015, 09:43 AM)
Don't you guys understand this is a fallen world?

There is no redeeming this world. It will be destroyed.

What happening now is already prophesied.

Why do you act as if this is a surprise? What is there to discuss anyway?

Preaching of more hate and condemnation? And You think that will change this world?

If you think this world will get better, you are very mistaken in your own doctrine of understanding.

As Christian we need to keep calm at all times and be at peace.  If this upsets you, you should try and look and understand your position in Christ.
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I constantly get a feeling that it's the Christians who're pressured to be someone or change something. Maybe it's my anxiety twisting it, but whenever I read these I feel like blame being pushed on me.

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Also there are still undiscovered tribes in south america. They often fall victim to drug tarfickers and illegal loggers.

Now there's an NGO trying to keep everyone, including missionaries, out of contact. They try to show these people are healthy and need no 'outside help', but we know better that the Word of God needs to reach there. It's either missionaries, or criminals. There's no other choice.

There are many places that need praying, but I can't stop wondering about these secluded tribes. Are these NGOs still trying to prevent contact, or missionaries are making a change?

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jul 14 2015, 05:43 PM)
nope, i'm not a coffee drinker. i do drink starbucks coffee though but that is very rare

unknown warrior no idea, i sleep early also headache, the migraines focus only on 1 area, it's a straight line when it occur it's really bad, still able to work but it make you stun momentary due to the pain.

de1929 maybe i should go and get myself a good massage, there is 1 time many years back after massage, my whole body was so relaxed
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hmm... good massage pricey and sometimes does not address your migraine. Take a look at my attachment, it is a quick way to relieve migraine. it's using elbow, and elbow is good for deep massage as well.

usually after sleep our body will heal ourself so imo no need to go to good massage...

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I constantly get a feeling that it's the Christians who're pressured to be someone or change something. Maybe it's my anxiety twisting it, but whenever I read these I feel like blame being pushed on me.
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Nah don't worry about it. It's not.

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jul 14 2015, 05:43 PM)
nope, i'm not a coffee drinker. i do drink starbucks coffee though but that is very rare

unknown warrior no idea, i sleep early also headache, the migraines focus only on 1 area, it's a straight line when it occur it's really bad, still able to work but it make you stun momentary due to the pain.

de1929 maybe i should go and get myself a good massage, there is 1 time many years back after massage, my whole body was so relaxed
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Anything eating you away?

Perhaps worried of something , parents maybe.
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jul 14 2015, 05:43 PM)
nope, i'm not a coffee drinker. i do drink starbucks coffee though but that is very rare

unknown warrior no idea, i sleep early also headache, the migraines focus only on 1 area, it's a straight line when it occur it's really bad, still able to work but it make you stun momentary due to the pain.

de1929 maybe i should go and get myself a good massage, there is 1 time many years back after massage, my whole body was so relaxed
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Do you exercise?

You should get those massage chair. Its only RM6000++
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Do you exercise?

You should get those massage chair. Its only RM6000++
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oh tina, i'm not that rich even if i have the money i have no space for it either the only time i get massage is via the massage chair in the mall which you pay rm 1 for 10 mins worth of massage

i dunno, maybe my mom is not really that well either, my dad leg also getting weaker
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jul 14 2015, 11:35 PM)
oh tina, i'm not that rich even if i have the money i have no space for it either the only time i get massage is via the massage chair in the mall which you pay rm 1 for 10 mins worth of massage

i dunno, maybe my mom is not really that well either, my dad leg also getting weaker
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Don't ever accept any form of guilt or condemnation from your mind, yourself, from people or from anyone.
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jul 14 2015, 11:35 PM)
oh tina, i'm not that rich even if i have the money i have no space for it either the only time i get massage is via the massage chair in the mall which you pay rm 1 for 10 mins worth of massage

i dunno, maybe my mom is not really that well either, my dad leg also getting weaker
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Oh I'm sorry to hear about your parent's conditions.

Well, you can opt for payment installment? Harvey Norman.
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Today I've been reading about issues regarding Atheists and their never ending debate about existence of God.

So I've googled and found the following.

https://answersingenesis.org/is-god-real/wh...istence-of-god/

https://answersingenesis.org/jesus-christ/r...-really-happen/

https://answersingenesis.org/who-is-god/is-...-bound-by-time/

https://answersingenesis.org/who-is-god/god...iggest-problem/

https://answersingenesis.org/who-is-god/god...erstanding-god/

https://answersingenesis.org/contradictions...a-time-to-kill/

Maybe too long to read for some. But, at least now I understand better.

1 Peter 3:15 NIV

15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;



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I know matured Christians probably know the answers but I need to know for myself and for those young Christians out there.

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Oh I'm sorry to hear about your parent's conditions.

Well, you can opt for payment installment? Harvey Norman.
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I don't own a cc I only have a dc
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I don't own a cc I only have a dc
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cc = Credit card? dc = Debit card?

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You should apply for one.

I don't have debit card. blush.gif




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If he can't afford it better to just use the paid ones at the mall. Nanti stress need to pay back that debt.
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Something I think worth pondering about about religion:


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tat God isn't turning out to b ur genie in a bottle?


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I’m a Good Christian. So Why Am I Sick and Poor?

by Wayne Jackson

A gentleman who professed an identification with the Lord, became quite disenchanted with Christianity. When an interested friend inquired as to the nature of his problem, he replied:

“According to the Bible, God promised that those who follow him will be blessed with health and prosperity. As I observe Christian people, I see vast numbers who are sick and poor. I can no longer believe, therefore, in the promises of God.”

What response should be made to this troubled man? There are three possible ways to evaluate the “argument” stated above.

God has failed in his promises. Either he is unable to complete his pledge (in which case he is impotent), or else he had no intention of fulfilling his bargain (which would make him deceptive). In either event, the fault would lie with God.

God is both willing and able to bless humanity with physical/material health and wealth, and, invariably, he does. Those who enjoy wholeness and prosperity are the righteous; those who do not are flawed in character. Any lack, therefore, is with man.

The third possibility is that the assumptions of the argument cited above are grounded in a misunderstanding of certain passages relating to physical and material well-being. In this case, the problem would be with the critic’s misinterpretation of certain passages.

Let us give consideration to each of these possibilities.


The Skeptical Theory

The first of the above-listed propositions partakes of the nature of that ancient argument employed so often by skeptics. If God cannot do it, he is powerless, hence, not God. If the Creator will not do it, he is malevolent, thus, not God. If he has both the power and the will, whence the circumstance?

The assumption in this position, of course, is that ignorant man is qualified to pass judgment upon divine actions. And, if the Maker of men is not operating consistent with how “we” might do it, he is faulted as lacking either ability, or will. But the “ways” of Heaven are beyond human analysis (Job 9:12b; Isaiah 55:8; Romans 11:33).

The fact of the matter is, God, in real history, has demonstrated both his ability and integrity in keeping his promises.

Twenty centuries before the birth of Christ, Jehovah promised Abraham that through his “seed” all nations of the earth would be blessed (Genesis 22:18). The prophecy pointed to the coming of Christ (Galatians 3:16).

Even though Abraham and Sarah were aged, and without offspring at the time, the patriarch never wavered concerning the promise, for he knew that “what [God] had promised, he was able to perform” (Romans 4:21). Too, God’s integrity was never suspect, for, as the writer of Hebrews noted (in discussing this very circumstance), it is an immutable proposition that it is impossible for God to lie (Hebrews 6:13-18).

The messianic prophecies of the Old Testament, combined with the facts relative to Jesus of Nazareth, confirm both the integrity and ability of the Almighty.


The Character Argument

The idea that one’s character can be determined by his physical well-being, and/or his material prosperity, though widespread, reflects an erroneous generalization. While it occasionally is the case that the Bible provides some examples of prosperity as a result of righteousness, that is far from the rule. Consider two cases from the Old Testament.

Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar insisted that Job’s plight (during which he lost all his material resources, and his health) was a result of his lack of spirituality. The patriarch supposedly had committed grievous sins; if he would only repent, God would restore his well-being. The truth was otherwise. Job’s losses were the result of his goodness; he was Jehovah’s unique servant (1:8; 2:3). The Lord permitted Job’s deprivation because he was proud of him, and knew he could maintain his integrity (13:15).

Or consider the case of Asaph (Psalm 73). He surveyed society and noted the “prosperity of the wicked” (v. 3). He almost abandoned his faith at this seeming inequity — until Jehovah showed him the “latter end” of evil people (v. 17), and he learned the lesson that godliness cannot be judged by material status.

And what of this?

Jesus’ circumstances during his earthly sojourn were those of the impoverished (2 Corinthians 8:9); the Son of man did not even have a place to lay his head (Matthew 8:20). Did these meager conditions reflect God’s lack of fidelity?

Paul frequently was in situations where he lacked material prosperity (2 Corinthians 11:27); in addition, he was afflicted with a terrible physical malady (2 Corinthians 12:7). Surely it will not be suggested that these difficulties were the result of the apostle’s evil way of life.


Misunderstood Texts

Without doubt, there are biblical passages that promise prosperity/well-being, in some sense, to those who are faithful to God.

When the nation of Israel left Egypt, Jehovah informed them: “. . . I will put on you none of the diseases which I have put on the Egyptians: for I am Jehovah who heals you” (Exodus 15:26). And Isaiah declared that “by [Christ’s] stripes we are healed” (53:5).

Solomon affirmed that the one who honors God with his substance, with his firstfruits, will have overflowing prosperity (Proverbs 3:9-10), and Malachi described the Lord as opening the “windows of heaven” and pouring out a blessing too bountiful to receive (3:10).

How are these passages to be explained? There are a number of scriptural truths that will help bring balance to this oft misunderstood subject.


Principles of Well-Being

Death was visited upon man because of his transgression of divine law (Genesis 2:17; Romans 5:12). In this earthly environment, therefore, humanity will never be exempt from sickness and death. Be that as it may, there are principles within sacred Scripture that will enhance longevity as a general rule.

There were many sound principles in the Mosaic code that facilitated the good health that Israel generally enjoyed. Dr. S.I. McMillen has discussed this theme in his book, None of These Diseases (Revell, 1963). See also our chapter, “The God Who Heals,” in {glossSub (“Courier Publications”,“The Human Body — Accident or Design?”)}

As a rule, it is assumed that parental love will motivate mothers and fathers to train their children in sound health principles, so that it “may be well” with them, and that they “may live long upon the earth” (Ephesians 6:3). This certainly does not mean, though, that the Christian’s children are immune to illness, or will never die prematurely. This is a principle — not an inflexible law.

The proverb cited above (3:9-10) contains a secluded truth supplied by the subsequent context. Derek Kidner has observed that generously giving to God, of one’s first and best, in “the face of material pressures” is, in truth, a test of faith, and is a vivid commentary on a man’s character (Proverbs, 1964, Tyndale Press). Such a person, who so selflessly serves God, will be honor-bound to treat his fellows fairly. The practice of noble ethics in business (discussed in vv. 27ff) will generate respect, and rebound to the righteous man’s personal prosperity.

Again, though, this is not an iron-solid rule; obviously there will be times when the generous and honest Christian becomes the victim of those who take advantage of him. Such cases, however, do not invalidate the principle.

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The Use of Figurative Language

The Bible abounds with figures of speech. Hyperbole (exaggeration for emphasis) is common (cf. John 21:25), and metonymy (one thing put for another) is a frequent teachinal device. In his classic book, Hermeneutics, D.R. Dungan consumed more than forty pages in discussing this latter figure alone. How does an understanding of this type of expression fit into our discussion?

There are occasions in scripture when spiritual concepts are conveyed in physical or material terms. A failure to recognize this teaching mode can result in the misinterpretation of important biblical texts.

When Isaiah declared that “healing” would result from the benefits of Jesus’ death, he was not speaking of physical healing, but a healing (forgiveness) from sin, as the immediate context reveals (53:5-6 – note “transgressions,” “iniquities”), and as was confirmed by Peter (see 1 Peter 2:24-25).

The prophet Joel spoke of “those days” when Jehovah would pour out his Spirit, and supernatural phenomena would result (2:28-30). In Acts 2, Peter informed his Hebrew auditors that the events of that day (the apostles being overwhelmed by the Spirit’s power – v. 4; cf. 1:5) were a fulfillment of Joel’s oracle (2:16). This was the commencement of the Christian age. In connection with this wonderful era, Joel announced that “the mountains shall drop down sweet wine and the hills shall flow with milk,” etc. (3:18ff). The prosperity here described is not an agricultural boon; rather, the material is used to depict the spiritual. Those who attempt to literalize all the prosperity passages should take note of this idiom.

A survey of the terms “rich” and “riches,” as used in the New Testament, will demonstrate that these words are employed far more frequently of spiritual prosperity than they are of material wealth.


The Mysteries of Providence

We do not deny that God can, and does, bless his people in a physical/material way, consistent with his own will, by means of his providential activity upon the earth (see our material on “Providence,” in {glossSub (“Courier Publications”,“The Book of Job”)}.

God had mercy on Epaphroditus, who had been “sick to the point of death” (Philippians 2:25-27) — with apparently no miracle involved. This does not mean, though, that every child of God will recover from terminal conditions. To draw general conclusions from isolated Bible examples can lead to a variety of errors.

The Lord providentially directed his ravens to provide Elijah with bread (1 Kings 17:4,6), and he has urged us to petition him for our daily sustenance (Matthew 6:11), but that does not mean that the child of God will never be bereft of food. He may be in need due to self-sacrifice, persecution, natural disaster, or plain laziness (see: 2 Corinthians 11:27; Acts 11:28; 27:21; 2 Thessalonians 3:10).

One’s level of physical/material well-being, or lack thereof, is:

Not a reflection upon God’s ability or his concern;
And such is not the measure of a person’s standing before the Lord.


A Concluding Point

There is a strong argument that may be made against the position being reviewed, that almost seems too obvious to mention. If it were the case that an inflexible rule obtains, in the divine order of things, that spirtuality produces health and wealth, the following would clearly result.

Little children, the purest of earth’s society, would never get sick and die; yet, in many third-world nations, sweet children starve, their bodies are racked with disease and they prematurely go to God.

The wicked of the earth generally are more prosperous than the godly, and the righteous do not significantly outlive the non-Christian population.

If wealth was the direct result of becoming a Christian, men would be prone to accept the gospel, not because of their convictions regarding God’s Son, but merely out of materialistic self-interest. Such would bring no honor to either the Creator or the creature. The Almighty expects motives nobler than this.

One should never allow life’s difficulties to distort his view of God.


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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 16 2015, 03:43 AM)
so, actually u r bitter over wat eh?

tat God isn't turning out to b ur genie in a bottle?
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Bitter? Not at all. I am merely interested in thinking.
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Bitter? Not at all. I am merely interested in thinking.
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Why don't you have fun with megatron in WWJD thread over there... it can sharpen ur thinking biggrin.gif
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Something I think worth pondering about about religion, in 8-bit goodness:


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True.
That is religion. That is how the world sees God when they don't know him personally.

But you know that I don't see God that way. I've been where you've been, so I think I can advise you on this.
How you treat God is how He'll treat you in the context of acknowledgement.

Faith is the evidence or vehicle that will usher you in to see God the first time. After that it's the matter of constant relationship.
This is the only 1 key requirement in the things of God's kingdom one which you cannot change not matter what.

You cannot use deeds, science, whatever. You cannot set your terms. Let God be God and let us be the one seeking and agree to his terms.

There are few other things though.

1. Humility
2. Persistent Faith
3. Change of mindset that God is a good God.


Question is, are you willing? No, this is not a direct challenge to you just a simple are you willing? No obligation.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 15 2015, 10:40 PM)
cc = Credit card? dc = Debit card?

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You should apply for one. 

I don't have debit card.  blush.gif
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De_Luffy

Having a Debit Card would help to ensure zero debt. And that is good.

IMO also, Good to have just 1 credit card that can come in handy.

However relying on Credit Card without discipline or wisdom = Financial Disaster.

So need to be balance. Really up to each individual.
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De_Luffy

Having a Debit Card would help to ensure zero debt. And that is good.

IMO also, Good to have just 1 credit card that can come in handy.

However relying on Credit Card without discipline or wisdom = Financial Disaster.

So need to be balance. Really up to each individual.
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Thanks for being faithful bro... keep up the good work.
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Dear friends, been having migrain for some time now wondering what is the problem here. when it strike me it hurt so much, that i need to take pain killer almost everyday
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hmm... good massage pricey and sometimes does not address your migraine. Take a look at my attachment, it is a quick way to relieve migraine. it's using elbow, and elbow is good for deep massage as well.

usually after sleep our body will heal ourself so imo no need to go to good massage...
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Hi luffy, have you followed that donk*y's approach to tackle your migraine ?

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Thanks for being faithful bro... keep up the good work.
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Thanks for the encouragement.
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Thanks for the encouragement.
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Still full time at calvary chappel ?
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Still full time at calvary chappel ?
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No I'm working in another Church but serving at Calvary.

But yeah Full time either way, Still within Church work.


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No I'm working in another Church but serving at Calvary.

But yeah Full time either way, Still within Church work.
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sometimes i confused with calvary network. You are full time in bukit jalil calvary convention center right ? i recalled you said you are relocating to bukit jalil... and serving in calvary or my understanding wrong ? or i recall somethine else hahaha
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QUOTE(Megatron123 @ Jul 16 2015, 11:40 AM)
sometimes i confused with calvary network. You are full time in bukit jalil calvary convention center right ? i recalled you said you are relocating to bukit jalil... and serving in calvary or my understanding wrong ? or i recall somethine else hahaha
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Actually I'm serving in CCC in the worship ministry but I'm working as a Church Staff in another Church (not Calvary) which is kind of irony but then this is what God has laid out for me at the moment.

Still praying for open doors though. laugh.gif
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Hi luffy, have you followed that donk*y's approach to tackle your migraine ?
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Well, what he said does make sense after all wouldn't it? but of coz a massage session is not cheap, i once had my first and last massage session few years back somewhere in Perak. Was at outstation during that time with few others colleague, quite cheap and efficient as they just opened and having promo so we decided to try.

By the time i'm done, my colleague mentioned that my snoring and waking up like zombie during middle of nights is gone very peaceful night.
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Dividing wall of hostility

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Ephesians 2:14-15 - 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,


We all know that it is Sin that separates us from God. True. NO denying that. But have you ever wonder what give strength to Sin? Try and guess. Our Flesh? Our Corrupted Nature? Our Love for lust, it give strength to Sin? The more we succumb to Sin the more it empower Sin?

No. The answer = The Laws of God. But but UW, that's not true, prove it, you're teaching heresy here. What's your prove in saying this?

Here it is.

1 Corinthians 15:56 (KJV) - The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

It blew my mind away when I first read that. I mean whoa. How can this be? The Laws of God is meant to teach us and guide us to do good. By being obedient to God's Law I am pleasing God. Isn't it meant to be like that?

True. Then how can the strength of sin is the law? I don't get it. Bear with me as I show 2 more scripture verse then I'll close.

In Ephesians 2:14-15 (as above main theme verse). The Bible calls the Laws of God a "dividing wall of hostility".

(You're not making this any easier UW. biggrin.gif )

In 2 Corinthians 3:7, The Bible calls the 10 commandments as a ministry of Death!

2 Corinthians 3:7 (NIV) - Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was,


The Laws of God; (Notice bold in red)

1) Gives Strength to Sin
2) Dividing wall of hostility
3) A ministry of death

What are you trying to say UW? You're trying to teach people to go against God's Law and Sin as they please? No, I want you to understand Bible principal trough the Spirit of God. I want you to understand the New Covenant.

Notice in Ephesians 2:14-15, in verse 15, Jesus abolished the 10 commandments through his flesh meaning his death at the cross. The Laws, The dividing wall of hostility is what that's keeping you from coming close to God. When you put yourself under Law, you cannot come to God.

When you feel guilty, condemned when you fall in your walk with God, that is the work of the Law magnified, pitted against you.

Always Understand that the Laws of God cannot make you Holy neither Righteous, only your Faith will God recognize and account righteousness to you. It is meant to being you to the end of yourself on your knees rendered helpless and weak before God. It is meant (always) to drive you into the loving arms of Christ Jesus our Lover and Savior. Amen?

Our Lord Jesus have abolished the hostility. Read Ephesians 2:14-15 again carefully.

Our New Life is dictated by the Spirit of God. The Laws of God of the Old Covenant will only hinder the work of the spirit. Because Christ has abolished the law and even removed it, so must we in our daily life before God. Not to be conscious of the Law but of the Spirit of God. When you are always conscious God's abundance Grace, conscious of the work of the Holy Spirit, conscious of the cross, conscious of the Love of Christ, conscious of the life of Faith, all these are the things of the Kingdom of God you will reign in Life! Amen?

God's Grace is the answer.

So if you're in the place where you feel that you've done too much wrong and guilty to come to God for Grace, read his word here and understand that Christ has already finished the work at the cross, has removed that hostile dividing wall that separates you from God.

Come to God, dear Friends Today!

God Bless.


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Amen, but what is being consious with the Grace of God?
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I'm not bashing Christianity, but there are certain points in this video that makes sense. Take it with a grain of salt, as I understand reason and faith do not necessarily agree with each other.


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No offence, but I feel like you're pushing your agenda behind the guise of an 'intellectual discussion'.
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Amen, but what is being consious with the Grace of God?
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That He love you always?

That God's open arm is always readily available to his struggling Children. That He will NEVER leave you nor forsake you.

When you call upon God in whatever state that you are, God is always listening and will answer.

When you know all your sins is already nailed at the cross.

That is being conscious of his Grace



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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 17 2015, 08:30 PM)
No offence, but I feel like you're pushing your agenda behind the guise of an 'intellectual discussion'.
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None taken. I simply believe that Christians should also be in harmony with both intelligence and faith, together.
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None taken. I simply believe that Christians should also be in harmony with both intelligence and faith, together.
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Bro, I realize that as time goes by, when I understood more of Christianity actually God did leave a lot of evidence.

The Apostles were real people, Jesus is really a real living person, recorded by historian of his time.

This is not some fiction man.


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None taken. I simply believe that Christians should also be in harmony with both intelligence and faith, together.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 17 2015, 10:02 PM)
Bro, I realize that as time goes by, when I understood more of Christianity actually God did leave a lot of evidence.

The Apostles were real people, Jesus is really a real living person, recorded by historian of his time.

This is not some fiction man.
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I know it's not fiction, and I have deep questions about the nature of reality itself. However, if religion is to be both doubted and believed, one is eventually compelled to understand the how and the whys of both sides. I don't want to pick sides, so I like to think why both the "real" and "unreal" has to exists within our perceptions of reality. I do these mostly by questioning them everyday, including both scientific and religious explanations provided by everyone.

In other words, I could be an agnostic. I do not think God is a plain myth, but I also do not think science and reason are to be avoided.

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None taken. I simply believe that Christians should also be in harmony with both intelligence and faith, together.
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There is a think called spiritual intelligence.

As you are talking about intelligence and faith, the spiritual intelligence will able to disect:
1. which intelligence to keep.
2. which intelligence to discard.
3. which faith to keep.
4. which faith to discard.

Not all that we think intelligence JESUS wants to keep them.
Not all that we think as faith JESUS wants to keep them.

Sometimes proud defined as we think too much instead of asking GOD too much.
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There is a think called spiritual intelligence.

As you are talking about intelligence and faith, the spiritual intelligence will able to disect:
1. which intelligence to keep.
2. which intelligence to discard.
3. which faith to keep.
4. which faith to discard.

Not all that we think intelligence JESUS wants to keep them.
Not all that we think as faith JESUS wants to keep them.

Sometimes proud defined as we think too much instead of asking GOD too much.
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That's already a questionable one, you see. Because the word "intelligence" is also somewhat subjective due to problems in semantics, to add further confusion by having another terminology of "spiritual intelligence" will eventually make things even unclear. Who possesses it? A wise man with white beard, or a modern, young woman? Who can truly say who possesses actual spiritual intelligence then?

And I don't think that thinking too much is an exclamation of pride. I believe it is an inevitability, something that happens within all of us, until someone decided to say them in words.
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Science and reason is not the opposite of faith either. That's where many get wrong.
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I know what you mean....yes if Almighty rewards christians with material wealth then everybody be accepting Christ as saviour.

But the thing, that I always ask God in prayer, is why, why He allows fervent christians to suffer like this? I have a cell group member, he is 45 years old, he yearns for a life partner, but till today he is single. He is so dedicated to church ministries. He spends his two weekend days to serve tirelessly, even on week days, he goes for bible study and help out the poor after work. Then he decided to come out from community service to prefessional work, because he thought that he wanted to start a family and stuff like that, because earning at that income doing community work is not going to help him earn money.

But after six months, he worked so hard, the employer decided not to confirm him. He was devastated. He took a long sabatical from commercial work, like 10 years to go into social work, so he was a bit rusty. to make matters worse, he down by some ailment for 20 years. He had to live on a special diet. The ailment resulted in his bony condition, he hardly have any fat on his body. Makes him look a bit socially outcast from his ailment.

I just don't understand why a christian like him, has to suffer like this?

I ask God why? When is his day, when he will see the blessings in his life?
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mindset problem. it originates with lack of knowledge since he was young. there is a consequences for whatever decision we did regardless we have good mindset or poor mindset.

try give him prosperity gospel, i believe he will slap you back and replied: "repent you tax collector ! remember the story about rich man cannot enter heaven ? i am better than zacchaeus !"

i maybe wrong but why don't you try to give him prosperity gospel... just be careful, he may slap you back.

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That's already a questionable one, you see. Because the word "intelligence" is also somewhat subjective due to problems in semantics, to add further confusion by having another terminology of "spiritual intelligence" will eventually make things even unclear. Who possesses it? A wise man with white beard, or a modern, young woman? Who can truly say who possesses actual spiritual intelligence then?

And I don't think that thinking too much is an exclamation of pride. I believe it is an inevitability, something that happens within all of us, until someone decided to say them in words.
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i am quite sure you are not pentecostal at all... am i correct ?


anyway, try to see response to this youtube and let me know... i am here to help and to build, not to condemn



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i am quite sure you are not pentecostal at all... am i correct ?
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That's a loaded question, and no, I don't suppose there's an actual denomination where philosophy and religion are in harmony, at least not established in proper institutions.

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That's a loaded question, and no, I don't suppose there's an actual denomination where philosophy and religion are in harmony, at least not established in proper institutions.
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u reply too fast biggrin.gif

anyway, try to see response to this youtube and let me know... i am here to help and to build, not to condemn


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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 17 2015, 10:49 PM)
Science and reason is not the opposite of faith either. That's where many get wrong.
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Which is why it makes the video I've posted as important as the understanding of how reason and faith can exists within an individual.
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jul 17 2015, 11:01 PM)
u reply too fast biggrin.gif

anyway, try to see response to this youtube and let me know... i am here to help and to build, not to condemn


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I'm sorry. There's nothing in that video that has something I do not already know, unless you can point out specifically in details of my ignorance.
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That's a loaded question, and no, I don't suppose there's an actual denomination where philosophy and religion are in harmony, at least not established in proper institutions.
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i give you the hard and adult food lahh... goto city harvest. i don't think you will enjoy, but imo that's the best for somebody with mature understanding like you.
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jul 17 2015, 11:03 PM)
i give you the hard and adult food lahh... goto city harvest. i don't think you will enjoy, but imo that's the best for somebody with mature understanding like you.
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Not anytime soon. Maybe I'm just not convinced with you. If you have the whatever this "food" you say that was originated from this "city harvest", then I'm sure you can explain it with more clarity. Otherwise, I'll have to take the leap of faith, but I've stopped going to church for a long time now, so I'll need a good reason.
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I know it's not fiction, and I have deep questions about the nature of reality itself. However, if religion is to be both doubted and believed, one is eventually compelled to understand the how and the whys of both sides. I don't want to pick sides, so I like to think why both the "real" and "unreal" has to exists within our perceptions of reality. I do these mostly by questioning them everyday, including both scientific and religious explanations provided by everyone.

In other words, I could be an agnostic. I do not think God is a plain myth, but I also do not think science and reason are to be avoided.
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Bro I appreciated the discovery of Science all the while and I see it as something enabled by God for Man to discover things.

I don't get it what makes you think it is to be avoided.

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Not anytime soon. Maybe I'm just not convinced with you. If you have the whatever this "food" you say that was originated from this "city harvest", then I'm sure you can explain it with more clarity. Otherwise, I'll have to take the leap of faith, but I've stopped going to church for a long time now, so I'll need a good reason.
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it's obvious that your "leader" is your "reasoning power"... and you try to mitigate your guilt with faith in CHRIST. I have post loaded youtube in my thread WWJD.

at that thread, you need to dethrone your "reasoning power" and just swallow the youtube. anything you don't understand you can ask.

It is okay to have reasoning power... but who is the leader ? reasoning power ? or faith ?

my job is not to convince you. Holy Spirit will convince you. I just show the venue.
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Bro I appreciated the discovery of Science all the while and I see it as something enabled by God for Man to discover things.

I don't get it what makes you think it is to be avoided.
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Maybe it is due to the lack of philosophical/intellectual/scientific conversations I see around here, hence my assumption.

If what I've brought to the thread will at least get people to understand both reason and faith (and not ONLY faith) alone, it'll be great, I thought. That includes other schools of thought that does not necessarily from the Bible, that's what I thought.

QUOTE(de1929 @ Jul 17 2015, 11:11 PM)
it's obvious that your "leader" is your "reasoning power"... and you try to mitigate your guilt with faith in CHRIST. I have post loaded youtube in my thread WWJD.

at that thread, you need to dethrone your "reasoning power" and just swallow the youtube. anything you don't understand you can ask.

It is okay to have reasoning power... but who is the leader ? reasoning power ? or faith ?

my job is not to convince you. Holy Spirit will convince you. I just show the venue.
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The ability to reason is NOT evil, in case I think is what you may generally trying to imply. If not, I'm afraid of your correction, not because you do not have points, but you do not know how to present them properly.

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The ability to reason is NOT evil

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The ability to reason to mitigate or reject faith IS EVIL or shall i say originating from devil
The ability to reason to build faith better than yesterday is from JESUS.

I anchored on JESUS name, to resolve and help people.
You are on your "ability to reason"... to resolve and help people.

for me, when reason try to dethrone faith, i tell reason to shut up and just obey Holy Spirit.
for you, when reason try to dethrone faith, you try to harmonize reason and faith in the name of humanity.

this is a very thin difference yet crucial.






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The ability to reason to mitigate or reject faith IS EVIL or shall i say originating from devil
The ability to reason to build faith better than yesterday is from JESUS.

I anchored on JESUS name, to resolve and help people.
You are on your "ability to reason"... to resolve and help people.

for me, when reason try to dethrone faith, i tell reason to shut up and just obey Holy Spirit.
for you, when reason try to dethrone faith, you try to harmonize reason and faith in the name of humanity.

this is a very thin difference yet crucial.
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You're not getting the point. I do not deny faith. I am attempting to collaborate both faith and reason.
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You're not getting the point. I do not deny faith. I am attempting to collaborate both faith and reason.
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Have you asked Holy Spirit whether you are authorized to collaborate faith and reason ? i am afraid your faith is very little bro biggrin.gif
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Have you asked Holy Spirit whether you are authorized to collaborate faith and reason ? i am afraid your faith is very little bro biggrin.gif
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Authorized? If one is not authorized to collaborate both faith and reason, why would one be given a brain?

And thanks to you, now you have claimed that reason is forbidden to those whom are in faith.
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Authorized? If one is not authorized to collaborate both faith and reason, why would one be given a brain?

And thanks to you, now you have claimed that reason is forbidden to those whom are in faith.
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are you sure ? have you read the second line from my own posting ? i think, devil is trying to blind you. Don't you realize ?

QUOTE(de1929 @ Jul 17 2015, 11:31 PM)
The ability to reason to mitigate or reject faith IS EVIL or shall i say originating from devil
The ability to reason to build faith better than yesterday is from JESUS.

I anchored on JESUS name, to resolve and help people.
You are on your "ability to reason"... to resolve and help people.

for me, when reason try to dethrone faith, i tell reason to shut up and just obey Holy Spirit.
for you, when reason try to dethrone faith, you try to harmonize reason and faith in the name of humanity.

this is a very thin difference yet crucial.
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The ability to reason is neutral... you just need to put under faith... not equal to faith smile.gif

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are you sure ? have you read the second line from my own posting ? i think, devil is trying to blind you. Don't you realize ?
The ability to reason is neutral... you just need to put under faith... not equal to faith smile.gif
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Why not equal to faith?

And what do you mean the ability to reason is neutral?

Please do not use words you do not understand.

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 17 2015, 11:16 PM)
Maybe it is due to the lack of philosophical/intellectual/scientific conversations I see around here, hence my assumption.

If what I've brought to the thread will at least get people to understand both reason and faith (and not ONLY faith) alone, it'll be great, I thought. That includes other schools of thought that does not necessarily from the Bible, that's what I thought.

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And you think God wants man to be stupid and ignorant?

How else do you think Man has advance so much in Scientific discovery?

You really think Evolution is the sole cause?

ha, very mistaken my friend.
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Why not equal to faith? Because it's evil?
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ability to reason will say don't walk on water, cuz you will drown.

When JESUS say you walk on water, it's faith.

When JESUS say you walk on water, then you replying by "ability-to-reason" with JESUS saying according to gravity human mass is bigger than water mass so human will drown. Now tell me... evil or not evil ?

If you afraid, then ask forgiveness by praying: Sorry JESUS, my ability-to-reason is bigger then my faith. Help me have bigger faith.

That's the real ability-to-reason.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 17 2015, 11:58 PM)
And you think God wants man to be stupid and ignorant?

How else do you think Man has advance so much in Scientific discovery?

You really think Evolution is the sole cause?

ha, very mistaken my friend.
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No, I do not think so, which makes the video I've posted here to be equally as significant as well.

I think it is best to establish an understanding here that I do not think faith undermines reason. I think people undermine reasons for the sake of faith.
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jul 18 2015, 12:00 AM)
ability to reason will say don't walk on water, cuz you will drown.

When JESUS say you walk on water, it's faith.

When JESUS say you walk on water, then you replying by "ability-to-reason" with JESUS saying according to gravity human mass is bigger than water mass so human will drown. Now tell me... evil or not evil ?

If you afraid, then ask forgiveness by praying: Sorry JESUS, my ability-to-reason is bigger then my faith.  Help me have bigger faith.

That's the real ability-to-reason.
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Not necessarily. The ability to reason is also the ability to ask questions why the ability to walk on water that is based on faith is crucial to connect everything else on why human beings are given the ability to think about it in the first place.

Reasoning is not always against faith, and it has its place. So no, by this explanation, I submit to you that it is not evil.

I think you don't even understand the definition of reasoning in the first place. Please get a dictionary.

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Not necessarily. The ability to reason is also the ability to ask questions why the ability to walk on water that is based on faith is crucial to connect everything else on why human beings are given the ability to think about it in the first place.

Reasoning is not always against faith, and it has its place. So no, by this explanation, I submit to you that it is not evil.

I think you don't even understand the definition of reasoning in the first place. Please get a dictionary.
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You can win this conversation is fine. I am here to help and build people. People know i am success, prosperous and blessed.

In case your ability-to-reason fails you, which i know it will fail you, look at increasing cost of living, GST, disappointment in live, not exceeding expectation, and all the shortages you have... remember our conversation biggrin.gif


QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 18 2015, 12:04 AM)
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Reasoning is not always against faith, and it has its place. So no, by this explanation, I submit to you that it is not evil.
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This time: have you read the first line from my own posting ? i think, devil is trying to blind you. Don't you realize ?

QUOTE(de1929 @ Jul 17 2015, 11:31 PM)
The ability to reason to mitigate or reject faith IS EVIL or shall i say originating from devil
The ability to reason to build faith better than yesterday is from JESUS.

I anchored on JESUS name, to resolve and help people.
You are on your "ability to reason"... to resolve and help people.

for me, when reason try to dethrone faith, i tell reason to shut up and just obey Holy Spirit.
for you, when reason try to dethrone faith, you try to harmonize reason and faith in the name of humanity.

this is a very thin difference yet crucial.
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 18 2015, 12:00 AM)
No, I do not think so, which makes the video I've posted here to be equally as significant as well.

I think it is best to establish an understanding here that I do not think faith undermines reason. I think people undermine reasons for the sake of faith.
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Things pertaining to God's Kingdom, got to be God's way.

Things here on Earth with regards to Man, Natural Law takes precedent.

God designed it that way.


You just have to know which is which.
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You can win this conversation is fine. I am here to help and build people. People know i am success, prosperous and blessed.

In case your ability-to-reason fails you, which i know it will fail you, look at increasing cost of living, GST, disappointment in live, not exceeding expectation, and all the shortages you have... remember our conversation biggrin.gif
again, second time i do this: have you read the second line from my own posting[/b] ? i think, devil is trying to blind you. Don't you realize ?
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I've not seen such magnitude of arrogance, and such deterioration from insecurity. "People know I am success, prosperous, and blessed"?

My ability to reason is not meant to succeed nor fail me. I use it in order to make sense with reality and existence, hence, no, I do not think I am being blinded, from whatever you think I may be blinded from (which is most likely seeing things your way, and your way only).




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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 18 2015, 12:14 AM)
Things pertaining to God's Kingdom, got to be God's way.

Things here on Earth with regards to Man, Natural Law takes precedent.

God designed it that way.
You just have to know which is which.
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Hence my habit of questioning, not just things on earth, but with reality itself, or the lack thereof, whichever comes first, and whomever you ask.

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 18 2015, 12:19 AM)
Hence my questioning.
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John 8:23 (NIV) - But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
This verse Helps us to understand, there is a distinction. This is not an arrogance but just plain Fact that God's operation is different.

John 3:31 (NIV) - The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all.
This verse Helps us to understand, the Natural World just cannot supersede God's Kingdom. It cannot touch God in anyway.

1 John 4:5 (NIV) - They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.
All those videos that you posted conform to this truth.


Now do you understand why I said;


QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 18 2015, 12:14 AM)
Things pertaining to God's Kingdom, got to be God's way.

Things here on Earth with regards to Man, Natural Law takes precedent.

God designed it that way.
You just have to know which is which.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 18 2015, 12:26 AM)
John 8:23 (NIV) - But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
This verse Helps us to understand, there is a distinction. This is not an arrogance but just plain Fact that God's operation is different.

John 3:31 (NIV) - The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all.
This verse Helps us to understand, the Natural World just cannot supersede God's Kingdom. It cannot touch God in anyway.

1 John 4:5 (NIV) - They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.
All those videos that you posted conform to this truth.
Now do you understand why I said;
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I'm sorry, but they appear to discourage the act of reasoning, unless I am mistaken, and I do not mind being corrected.

While it is said that God may be above above space-time and above our contemporary understanding of reality, it certainly has not laid out any rules that any form of reasoning should be discouraged.

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 18 2015, 12:31 AM)
I'm sorry, but they appear to discourage the act of reasoning, unless I am mistaken, and I do not mind being corrected.

While it is said that God may be above above space-time and above our contemporary understanding of reality, it certainly has not laid out any rules that any form of reasoning should be discouraged.
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Do you need a reason for the Law of Gravity? I don't think anyone does, it's just is.

If you can accept that, same principal apply when it comes to God.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 18 2015, 01:00 AM)
Do you need a reason for the Law of Gravity? I don't think anyone does, it's just is.

If you can accept that, same principal apply when it comes to God.
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Uhm, yes, we all do. Judging by how gravity can also be an illusion, but not necessarily in the way you think. It's not a "Law" per se.



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My ability to reason is not meant to succeed nor fail me. I use it in order to make sense with reality and existence.
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GOD's brain is bigger then our brain. Here is some youtube that explain detail about my belief.



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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 18 2015, 12:26 AM)
John 8:23 (NIV) - But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
This verse Helps us to understand, there is a distinction. This is not an arrogance but just plain Fact that God's operation is different.

John 3:31 (NIV) - The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all.
This verse Helps us to understand, the Natural World just cannot supersede God's Kingdom. It cannot touch God in anyway.

1 John 4:5 (NIV) - They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.
All those videos that you posted conform to this truth.
Now do you understand why I said;
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thx for putting in nice word bro. much appreciated biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 18 2015, 07:48 AM)
Uhm, yes, we all do. Judging by how gravity can also be an illusion, but not necessarily in the way you think. It's not a "Law" per se.


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Whatever you makes you happy Bro. I think there is wisdom in keeping Life simple rather than having it complicated. Because IMO, when you're a skeptic, there is no end to the pursuit of skepticism and thus you tend to create many new areas of uncertainty where there really is no need.

For example when the doctor says you need to take this body scan and when you take it, you'll still feel there is a deeper need to probe and when you do that, then there is always this doubt that maybe you'll need more probing.

My Point is, there is no end.


For us Christians, Life certainty is found in God. Health, Salvation, Providence, whatever Life's uncertainty. God is the ultimate point. There is none beyond Him. So there is satisfaction and it ends there.
You know why there is no end with skepticism for guys like you? Because Man is flawed and fallen in nature. Man cannot provide security for another Man. And thus the need to satisfy becomes exponentially insatiable for you.

All those videos that you posted are just ideas from Man who are finite and limited. It's your life really, when you have ample time to spare to keep on searching and finding solace in Man's ideology.
For me I don't have that kind of time to wonder.

I know what I have tasted and experienced, it is enough for me.
But whatever the case, doesn't mean Christians need to ignore the inventions of Science, Medicine, all that we see as God's Grace for Human advancement in life.

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Hey Guys, if you're free tomorrow, come visit Calvary Convention Center in Bukit Jalil.

If you've not been to Church for some time, come and experience our worship service.

Starts at 9AM. You can't miss our convention center along the road to Bukit Jalil.
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Hey Guys, if you're free tomorrow, come visit Calvary Convention Center in Bukit Jalil.

If you've not been to Church for some time, come and experience our worship service.

Starts at 9AM. You can't miss our convention center along the road to Bukit Jalil.
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Are you gonna lead the worship ? still worship leader right ?
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Hey Guys, if you're free tomorrow, come visit Calvary Convention Center in Bukit Jalil.

If you've not been to Church for some time, come and experience our worship service.

Starts at 9AM. You can't miss our convention center along the road to Bukit Jalil.
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Are you gonna lead the worship ? still worship leader right ?
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 18 2015, 12:29 PM)
Whatever you makes you happy Bro. I think there is wisdom in keeping Life simple rather than having it complicated. Because IMO, when you're a skeptic, there is no end to the pursuit of skepticism and thus you tend to create many new areas of uncertainty where there really is no need.

For example when the doctor says you need to take this body scan and when you take it, you'll still feel there is a deeper need to probe and when you do that, then there is always this doubt that maybe you'll need more probing.

My Point is, there is no end.
For us Christians, Life certainty is found in God. Health, Salvation, Providence, whatever Life's uncertainty. God is the ultimate point. There is none beyond Him. So there is satisfaction and it ends there.
You know why there is no end with skepticism for guys like you? Because Man is flawed and fallen in nature. Man cannot provide security for another Man. And thus the need to satisfy becomes exponentially insatiable for you.

All those videos that you posted are just ideas from Man who are finite and limited. It's your life really, when you have ample time to spare to keep on searching and finding solace in Man's ideology.
For me I don't have that kind of time to wonder.

I know what I have tasted and experienced, it is enough for me.
But whatever the case, doesn't mean Christians need to ignore the inventions of Science, Medicine, all that we see as God's Grace for Human advancement in life.
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After witnessing/participating/mediating drama over the years, I can say that's quite true. 10 pages of drama and angry debates, in reality just a few points repeated in circles.

Very exhausting.
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I know what you mean....yes if Almighty rewards christians with material wealth then everybody be accepting Christ as saviour.

But the thing, that I always ask God in prayer, is why, why He allows fervent christians to suffer like this? I have a cell group member, he is 45 years old, he yearns for a life partner, but till today he is single. He is so dedicated to church ministries. He spends his two weekend days to serve tirelessly, even on week days, he goes for bible study and help out the poor after work. Then he decided to come out from community service to prefessional work, because he thought that he wanted to start a family and stuff like that, because earning at that income doing community work is not going to help him earn money.

But after six months, he worked so hard, the employer decided not to confirm him. He was devastated. He took a long sabatical from commercial work, like 10 years to go into social work, so he was a bit rusty. to make matters worse, he down by some ailment for 20 years. He had to live on a special diet. The ailment resulted in his bony condition, he hardly have any fat on his body. Makes him look a bit socially outcast from his ailment.

I just don't understand why a christian like him, has to suffer like this?

I ask God why? When is his day, when he will see the blessings in his life?
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I dun claim to be God notworthy.gif , so i can't reply on his behalf regarding ur fren's circumstances.

but wat little tat i do knw though, comes frm His Word:

AFFLICTION :

In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. - 1 Peter 1:6


Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. - 1 Peter 4:12


Therefore we do not lose heart, but though our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed day by day. For momentary, light affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory far beyond all comparison, while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal. - 2 Corinthians 4:16 - 18


For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. - Romans 8:18


REWARDS :

Now he who plants and he who waters are one; but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor. - 1 Corinthians 3:8


Now this I say, he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. - 2 Corinthians 9:6


Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. - Matthew 5:12

& finally,

That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. - Matthew 5:45


bro kron_ka, Many many times, we r terribly short-sighted. We focus on our HAPPINESS in this SHORT life. i'm guilty of being short-sighted as well sweat.gif sometimes i get terribly frustrated wif certain aspects of my life too. By no means do i live a spectacular life either. just ur avrg middle-class peon. God didn't promise us a problem free path in this life. He has his reasons for not giving us everything we WANT. our spiritual growth/refinement/maturity is of utmost importance to Him though, for this temporary world is passing away.

What He has promised me though, is the life after this one. The future is so bright u need shades! cool2.gif









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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 18 2015, 07:48 AM)
Uhm, yes, we all do. Judging by how gravity can also be an illusion, *snip*

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ermmm, wat would b a completely satisfactory answer to u? hmm.gif

i roughly get wat u mean, but wat is it, tat u really, really seek, so as to quench ur thirst?

perhaps, u might wanna approach the Bible frm a different angle? unsure.gif say, frm a prophetic POV?

study the many prophecies in the Bible & u might just come to the conclusion only something or someone Divine can possibly make it all happen.

Go on.......u owe it to urself.


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Whatever you makes you happy Bro. I think there is wisdom in keeping Life simple rather than having it complicated. Because IMO, when you're a skeptic, there is no end to the pursuit of skepticism and thus you tend to create many new areas of uncertainty where there really is no need.

For example when the doctor says you need to take this body scan and when you take it, you'll still feel there is a deeper need to probe and when you do that, then there is always this doubt that maybe you'll need more probing.

My Point is, there is no end.
For us Christians, Life certainty is found in God. Health, Salvation, Providence, whatever Life's uncertainty. God is the ultimate point. There is none beyond Him. So there is satisfaction and it ends there.
You know why there is no end with skepticism for guys like you? Because Man is flawed and fallen in nature. Man cannot provide security for another Man. And thus the need to satisfy becomes exponentially insatiable for you.

All those videos that you posted are just ideas from Man who are finite and limited. It's your life really, when you have ample time to spare to keep on searching and finding solace in Man's ideology.
For me I don't have that kind of time to wonder.

I know what I have tasted and experienced, it is enough for me.
But whatever the case, doesn't mean Christians need to ignore the inventions of Science, Medicine, all that we see as God's Grace for Human advancement in life.
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Have you considered maybe it is not about the destination, but the journey of it? That is not about whether if there is an end, but if there is a meaning? Complicated, is really just another way of saying different, due to the difference we find in people, and calling them "not simplistic" in order to deny them freedom could be to hasty to pass that sort of judgement. And that meaning if simply the hunger for knowledge, not to satisfy it, but to create meaning in the momentum of celebrating and garnering the all that has been given to us in the universe, and to give meaning to our need of curiosity not as a curse, but as an acceptance of who we are.

QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 18 2015, 07:10 PM)
After witnessing/participating/mediating drama over the years, I can say that's quite true. 10 pages of drama and angry debates, in reality just a few points repeated in circles.

Very exhausting.
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That is why, new information is important, and if there are areas where science and religion has not covered accordingly, there's philosophy as well.


QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 18 2015, 11:00 PM)
ermmm, wat would b a completely satisfactory answer to u?  hmm.gif 

i roughly get wat u mean, but wat is it, tat u really, really seek, so as to quench ur thirst?

perhaps, u might wanna approach the Bible frm a different angle?  unsure.gif  say, frm a prophetic POV? 

study the many prophecies in the Bible & u might just come to the conclusion only something or someone Divine can possibly make it all happen.

Go on.......u owe it to urself.
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It would be refreshing if a Christian would begin taking other sources of wisdom that is not only from the bible. And the thirst is not for quenching. It is for meaning. Not by ignorance that by simply forgoing the need for curiosity.
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Something interesting just pop out biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 18 2015, 11:25 PM)

It would be refreshing if a Christian would begin taking other sources of wisdom that is not only from the bible. And the thirst is not for quenching. It is for meaning. Not by ignorance that by simply forgoing the need for curiosity.
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Other sources of wisdom? u mean like the endless list of human philosophies tat the world offers?

Quotes like:

“One, remember to look up at the stars and not down at your feet. Two, never give up work. Work gives you meaning and purpose and life is empty without it. Three, if you are lucky enough to find love, remember it is there and don't throw it away.” - Stephen Hawking

“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” - William Shakespeare

“If a cluttered desk is a sign of a cluttered mind, of what, then, is an empty desk a sign?” - Albert Einstein

“Think left and think right and think low and think high. Oh, the thinks you can think up if only you try!” - Dr. Seuss

“Those who know do not speak. Those who speak do not know.” - Lao Tzu

“I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only make them think” - Socrates

"To turn left, you must first turn right." - Derek Zoolander

and my absolute favourite :

"God helps those who help themselves." - anonymous humanistic philosopher


To the Kristian, the Bible is the Word of God. It's the final authority. To whom should we ascribe our moral standards, etc, then, if we're all over the place? What makes u think tat believers(unbelievers tongue.gif ) did not start off taking other sources of wisdom, as u put it, b4 finally still ending at the Bible?

I find my life significant ONLY by following Christ. It's the absolute crux of my very existence.

I don't find meaning in job promotions, or having even more money, or eating delicious food every day, or getting pissed drunk @ clubs, scoring more goals whenever i play football, etc. i'm sure u catch my drift........

I'm no longer curious. The thirst has been quenched. I have already found my meaning!

I've experienced the supernatural. I've tasted the Stars & nothing on this Earth wil ever b good enuf for me!

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. - Solomon, wisest man who ever lived laugh.gif -Ecclesiastes 12:13


But whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. - John 4:14



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if GOD exist, then GOD will answer my prayer.
if GOD exist, when i throw the coin up it will stay afloat.

do you have any of this syndrome / trauma that made you agnostic ?
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Other sources of wisdom? u mean like the endless list of human philosophies tat the world offers?

Quotes like:   

“One, remember to look up at the stars and not down at your feet. Two, never give up work. Work gives you meaning and purpose and life is empty without it. Three, if you are lucky enough to find love, remember it is there and don't throw it away.” - Stephen Hawking

“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.” - William Shakespeare

“If a cluttered desk is a sign of a cluttered mind, of what, then, is an empty desk a sign?” - Albert Einstein

“Think left and think right and think low and think high. Oh, the thinks you can think up if only you try!” - Dr. Seuss

“Those who know do not speak. Those who speak do not know.” - Lao Tzu

“I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only make them think” - Socrates

"To turn left, you must first turn right." - Derek Zoolander

and my absolute favourite :

"God helps those who help themselves." - anonymous humanistic philosopher
To the Kristian, the Bible is the Word of God. It's the final authority. To whom should we ascribe our moral standards, etc, then, if we're all over the place? What makes u think tat believers(unbelievers  tongue.gif ) did not start off taking other sources of wisdom, as u put it, b4 finally still ending at the Bible?

I find my life significant ONLY by following Christ. It's the absolute crux of my very existence.

I don't find meaning in job promotions, or having even more money, or eating delicious food every day, or getting pissed drunk @ clubs, scoring more goals whenever i play football, etc. i'm sure u catch my drift........

I'm no longer curious. The thirst has been quenched. I have already found my meaning!

I've experienced the supernatural. I've tasted the Stars & nothing on this Earth wil ever b good enuf for me!

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. - Solomon, wisest man who ever lived  laugh.gif  -Ecclesiastes 12:13


But whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. - John 4:14

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What if I tell you that Jesus Christ is still alive, right now, at this very moment (including the pre-Resurrection moment)? No, no. What I meant was how the bible was telling the story during the His life in the past, only that according to space, time, and the very nature of reality, that past could very well be at the present, and same goes for the future?



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Calvary Convention Center sure is big!

I didn't stay for the sermon though. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 19 2015, 08:46 AM)
What if I tell you that Jesus Christ is still alive, right now, at this very moment (including the pre-Resurrection moment)? No, no. What I meant was how the bible was telling the story during the His life in the past, only that according to space, time, and the very nature of reality, that past could very well be at the present, and same goes for the future?

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u remind me of the movie Looper & also another TV series (can't recall the title) where there were wormholes within wormholes, so the main actor could travel back & forth in time to visit the same Earth but @ different times/eras.

there were many, many versions of himself living life concurrently.....or something like tat. Heh!

anyway, or should i say UNFORTUNATELY, u r governed by the Laws of Physics & thus, ur physical body is not immune to the ravages of time/decay.

Can u move back & forth in time? if not, u r trapped/bound in the current reality. sori then biggrin.gif

therefore, u r also FORCED to live in this time line.......til it ends.

The Bible says eternity begins for us, after the completion of all the dispensations. It takes approx~ 7000 man years. I strongly believe we are currently at the tail-end of the 6000 yrs.

Whether 'eternity' is governed by 'time', i don't know. The Bible doesn't say. God only promises a new Heaven & a new Earth.

perhaps the foloing chart would b easier for u to understand :

user posted image

tat is y the Bible says,

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. - Rev 22:13

For a thousand years in your sight are but as yesterday when it is past, or as a watch in the night. - Psalm 90:4

who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began - 2 Timothy 1:9


He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you. - 1 Peter 1:20

even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love - Ephesians 1:4

Here is a verse tat tells us about the NATURE of Jesus's resurrected body :

“Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them.” - John 20:26

Jesus could have merely appeared in the room, for when a body moves from one dimension to two dimensions it does not go through anything, it merely moves there instantly; when a body moves from two dimensions to three dimensions, it does not go through anything, it merely moves there instantly. Therefore when a body goes from three dimensions to four, it would not move through anything, it would merely move there instantly.

God has promised believers they wil b given an incorruptible body.

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 19 2015, 08:46 AM)

that past could very well be at the present, and same goes for the future?

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my answer to u is, WHO CARES??!! can u control time & space? i'm positive u can remember ur past, but can u recall anything frm ur future?!! ur finite mind cannot comprehend the infinite things of God. i think that u think too much! rclxub.gif

the God of the Bible dwells in a different dimension—the spirit realm—beyond the natural perception of our physical senses.

it’s not that God isn’t real; it’s a matter of Him not being limited by the physical laws and dimensions that govern our world. So deal wif it!

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. - John 4:24



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A good readup.

"God isn't Bound by Time!"

by Eric Lyons, M.Min

Although for millennia Genesis chapter one had been understood as the original creation of the Universe that took place in six literal, majestic days, within the last two centuries many have been duped into believing that the billions of years required for evolution must fit somewhere within the first chapter of the English Bible. For numerous “Bible believers,” evolutionary dating methods have become the father of biblical interpretation. Therefore, we are told that God spent, not six literal days, but billions of years creating the Universe and everything in it. We frequently hear such statements as: (1) “God is not bound by time”; (2) “God could have taken as much time as he wanted while creating the Universe and everything in it”; and (3) “Billions of years could have elapsed between Genesis 1:1 and 1:3.” To say that Creation did not last millions or billions of years, supposedly, is to limit Almighty God.

There is no question that God is not bound by time. He is the infinite, eternal, all-powerful, all-knowing Creator. The point, however, is not whether God is outside of time (cf. Psalm 90:2), but what God has revealed to us—both in Genesis 1 and in the rest of the Bible. God could have created the Universe in any way He so desired; in whatever order He wanted, and in whatever time frame He so chose. He could have created the world and everything in it in six hours, six minutes, six seconds, or in one millisecond—He is, after all, God Almighty (Genesis 17:1). But the question is not what God could have done; it is what He said He did. And He said that He created everything in six literal days. When God gave the Israelites the Ten Commandments, He stated:

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it (Exodus 20:8-11, emp. added).

This Sabbath command can be understood properly only when the days of the week are considered regular 24-hour days.

Based upon God’s use of words throughout Scripture which represent time periods that are much longer than a regular day (cf. Genesis 1:14; 2 Peter 3:8), we can rightly conclude that God could have revealed to man that this world was created over a vast period of time. [He could have used the Hebrew word dôr, which means long periods of time.] The fact is, however, God said He created this world and everything in it in six days (Genesis 1; Exodus 20:11; 31:17; cf. Psalm 33:9; 148:5; Mark 10:6).

https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent....y=9&article=520
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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 19 2015, 09:54 PM)
u remind me of the movie Looper & also another TV series (can't recall the title) where there were wormholes within wormholes, so the main actor could travel back & forth in time to visit the same Earth but @ different times/eras.

there were many, many versions of himself living life concurrently.....or something like tat. Heh!

anyway, or should i say UNFORTUNATELY, u r governed by the Laws of Physics & thus, ur physical body is not immune to the ravages of time/decay.

Can u move back & forth in time? if not, u r trapped/bound in the current reality. sori then  biggrin.gif

therefore, u r also FORCED to live in this time line.......til it ends.

The Bible says eternity begins for us, after the completion of all the dispensations. It takes approx~ 7000 man years. I strongly believe we are currently at the tail-end of the 6000 yrs.

Whether 'eternity' is governed by 'time', i don't know. The Bible doesn't say. God only promises a new Heaven & a new Earth.

perhaps the foloing chart would b easier for u to understand :

user posted image

tat is y the Bible says,

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.  -  Rev 22:13

For a thousand years in your sight are but as yesterday when it is past, or as a watch in the night.   - Psalm 90:4

who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began   - 2 Timothy 1:9


He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you.  - 1 Peter 1:20

even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love - Ephesians 1:4

Here is a verse tat tells us about the NATURE of Jesus's resurrected body :

“Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them.” - John 20:26

Jesus could have merely appeared in the room, for when a body moves from one dimension to two dimensions it does not go through anything, it merely moves there instantly; when a body moves from two dimensions to three dimensions, it does not go through anything, it merely moves there instantly. Therefore when a body goes from three dimensions to four, it would not move through anything, it would merely move there instantly.

God has promised believers they wil b given an incorruptible body.

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my answer to u is, WHO CARES??!! can u control time & space? i'm positive u can remember ur past, but can u recall anything frm ur future?!! ur finite mind cannot comprehend the infinite things of God. i think that u think too much!  rclxub.gif

the God of the Bible dwells in a different dimension—the spirit realm—beyond the natural perception of our physical senses.

it’s not that God isn’t real; it’s a matter of Him not being limited by the physical laws and dimensions that govern our world. So deal wif it!

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.  - John 4:24
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That's whole idea. There's no such thing as "thinking too much", when there's nothing in the world that it is not worth thinking about. This is the part of curiosity and the other wisdom that I was talking about, and in my opinion, the bible should not be the only book of wisdom. The Bible, if anything, should be treated as a starting software, and there's a need for a constant update for knowledge.

So "who cares", you ask? I do, and many others do as well, in case you have not realized that already. It's not about knowing how much, nor to what end do we know. It is the ACT of knowing that gives meaning.

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That's whole idea. There's no such thing as "thinking too much", when there's nothing in the world that it is not worth thinking about. This is the part of curiosity and the other wisdom that I was talking about, and in my opinion, the bible should not be the only book of wisdom. The Bible, if anything, should be treated as a starting software, and there's a need for a constant update for knowledge.

So "who cares", you ask? I do, and many others do as well, in case you have not realized that already. It's not about knowing how much, nor to what end do we know. It is the ACT of knowing that gives meaning.
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i dunno LOL biggrin.gif

u seem to b insinuating in all ur posts tat Kristians r less intelligent, poor thinkers, not very bright, very accepting, naive, even borderline stoopid & short of calling us morons rclxms.gif, ....... & tat is y Kristians r Kristians in the 1st place. the smart ones usually do not fall for Kristianity. Heh! biggrin.gif

also, wat is this "constant update of knowledge" tat u r referring to? icon_question.gif the Canon of the Bible is finished.

or r u suggesting the Bible is outdated, b'cos u r too modern & sophisticated for the contents tat r found within its pages?

Remember the tower of Babel?

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 19 2015, 10:57 PM)

and in my opinion, the bible should not be the only book of wisdom.......

What if I tell you that Jesus Christ is still alive, right now, at this very moment......

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ur opinions won't count for much u knw, whn u finally stand b4 the Living God notworthy.gif & i mean this in a respectful way.

i stil think u r thinking too much! biggrin.gif perhaps, if u pick a certain direction to 'think' along, then u wouldn't b so susceptible to splitting ur focus.

What r ur doubts regarding Christianity up til this point? hmm.gif


Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

- John 20:29

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Ah, the tower of babel.

When all human race came as one. GOD decides to destroy it. I wonder why. Any intepretation is welcome. rclxms.gif

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Babel, Hebrew word of origin means confused.

Men always rebelled against God and wanted to build a tower to reach the heavens.

God saw this and decided to scattered men all over the earth and gave them different languages. (Genesis 11:8)

The tower was Men's form of idolatry. It was their misinterpretation of God, ie, wealth and greed.

Another part of Satan's plan perhaps? hmm.gif

The tower was Men's idea of reaching heaven through their way, which is impossible.

The only way is through our Saviour Jesus.

Thus God chosed Abram, and planned to blessed him and through his lineage, "Christ" will come and end Satan dominion over mankind.


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Babel, Hebrew word of origin means confused.

Men always rebelled against God and wanted to build a tower to reach the heavens.

God saw this and decided to scattered men all over the earth and gave them different languages. (Genesis 11:8)

The tower was Men's form of idolatry. It was their misinterpretation of God, ie, wealth and greed.

Another part of Satan's plan perhaps?  hmm.gif

The tower was Men's idea of reaching heaven through their way, which is impossible.

The only way is through our Saviour Jesus.

Thus God chosed Abram, and planned to blessed him and through his lineage, "Christ" will come and end Satan dominion over mankind.
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The Tower of Babel could be an occult ritual site. Black magic and all.
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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 19 2015, 11:37 PM)
i dunno LOL  biggrin.gif

u seem to b insinuating in all ur posts tat Kristians r less intelligent, poor thinkers, not very bright, very accepting, naive, even borderline stoopid & short of calling us morons  rclxms.gif, ....... & tat is y Kristians r Kristians in the 1st place. the smart ones usually do not fall for Kristianity. Heh!  biggrin.gif
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Erm. Do not fall apart at the seams by imagining an insinuation that isn't there in the first place. I am merely making a point that Christians should embrace different sources of knowledge and wisdom, including the ones outside of the Bible. Note that all of these happen simply because I posted a video that only appears to be controversial to Christians, because of its title, but I was imploring all to at least attempt to understand why do people think the way they do, and the way how we think the way we do.

QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 19 2015, 11:37 PM)

also, wat is this "constant update of knowledge" tat u r referring to?  icon_question.gif  the Canon of the Bible is finished.

or r u suggesting the Bible is outdated, b'cos u r too modern & sophisticated for the contents tat r found within its pages?
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Again, you are imagining these "suggestions". I am merely saying that knowledge and wisdom requires an update and exposure from the very world we live in. Even if Christianity implies that this is not the world we should be aiming for, it is undeniable that we were placed upon this world in order to live our lives with it. We have souls, but were given physical bodies. If we are to deny our physical selves, what is then the meaning of our physicalities?

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Remember the tower of Babel?

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As stated by Sophiera's comment, the Tower of Babel could be an occult ritual site. Black magic and all. And while the story teaches about the downfall of humanity due to his or her arrogance, this does not translate into the same manner for simply wanting knowledge and wisdom. You can acquire knowledge and wisdom AND still be humble about it.


QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 19 2015, 11:37 PM)
ur opinions won't count for much u knw, whn u finally stand b4 the Living God  notworthy.gif & i mean this in a respectful way.
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I do not think you will know exactly what will transpire when such an event happens.

QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 19 2015, 11:37 PM)
i stil think u r thinking too much!  biggrin.gif  perhaps, if u pick a certain direction to 'think' along, then u wouldn't b so susceptible to splitting ur focus.

What r ur doubts regarding Christianity up til this point?  hmm.gif
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Splitting the focus is exactly the main point. I have read the bible, but it does not provides all the answers. It was taught that the clay should not say to the maker, "what makest thou?". it certainly did not prevent the clay from trying to ask, "what makes me, and everything else the way it is?"



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Erm. Do not fall apart at the seams by imagining an insinuation that isn't there in the first place. I am merely making a point that Christians should embrace different sources of knowledge and wisdom, including the ones outside of the Bible. Note that all of these happen simply because I posted a video that only appears to be controversial to Christians, because of its title, but I was imploring all to at least attempt to understand why do people think the way they do, and the way how we think the way we do.


Nobody is falling apart at the seams. biggrin.gif Heh!

"Kristians should embrace different sources of knowledge and wisdom, including the ones outside of the Bible."

And to what end, may i ask?

I think UW already answered that question when he said, "But whatever the case, doesn't mean Christians

need to ignore the inventions of Science, Medicine, all that we see as God's Grace for Human advancement

in life."
refer to post #400

Personally, i do cover materials that have got nothing to do with Christianity. I enjoy them very much too.

BUT, if something is contrary to what the Bible says, the red flags go up.

It's a matter of perspective, my fren. For the Kristian already possesses the Truth that is found in Christ.

Why would we want to back-track & get ourselves confused all over again? Just a point to ponder.

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Again, you are imagining these "suggestions". I am merely saying that knowledge and wisdom requires an update and exposure from the very world we live in. Even if Christianity implies that this is not the world we should be aiming for, it is undeniable that we were placed upon this world in order to live our lives with it. We have souls, but were given physical bodies. If we are to deny our physical selves, what is then the meaning of our physicalities?


The Bible has much to say about sin, the effects of living in a fallen world & what is beyond this present life.

I thought u covered the Bible already? Maybe the answers are not what you seek, icon_question.gif hmmmm.......

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As stated by Sophiera's comment, the Tower of Babel could be an occult ritual site. Black magic and all. And while the story teaches about the downfall of humanity due to his or her arrogance, this does not translate into the same manner for simply wanting knowledge and wisdom. You can acquire knowledge and wisdom AND still be humble about it.


Yup, u already know the answer: "downfall of humanity due to his or her arrogance" nod.gif

Oh! & by all means, pursue all the knowledge & wisdom to your heart's content. Nobody is stopping you. Just don't go accusing Kristians

of being closed-minded like all your posts suggest. What is it that you are hoping for the Kristian to discover anyway? hmm.gif

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I do not think you will know exactly what will transpire when such an event happens.


On the contrary, i KNOW EXACTLY WHAT will transpire, for the Bible says,

A person may think their own ways are right, but the Lord weighs the heart. - Proverbs 21:2

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. - John 3:18


Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. - Matthew 25:41

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” - Revelation 21:8

Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.... - Revelation 20:11 - 12

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Splitting the focus is exactly the main point. I have read the bible, but it does not provides all the answers. It was taught that the clay should not say to the maker, "what makest thou?". it certainly did not prevent the clay from trying to ask, "what makes me, and everything else the way it is?"


Again, it's a matter of perspective. I have already found my peace icon_rolleyes.gif . The answers found in the Bible are pretty clear cut.

Although, it doesn't prevent the clay Deadlocks from asking, "what makes me, and everything else the way it is?",

yet STILL it doesn't change the fact that THE MAKER is THE MAKER & the CLAY remains as CLAY, does it?

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."

- 1 Corinthians 13:12






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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 18 2015, 11:25 PM)
Have you considered maybe it is not about the destination, but the journey of it? That is not about whether if there is an end, but if there is a meaning? Complicated, is really just another way of saying different, due to the difference we find in people, and calling them "not simplistic" in order to deny them freedom could be to hasty to pass that sort of judgement. And that meaning if simply the hunger for knowledge, not to satisfy it, but to create meaning in the momentum of celebrating and garnering the all that has been given to us in the universe, and to give meaning to our need of curiosity not as a curse, but as an acceptance of who we are.
That is why, new information is important, and if there are areas where science and religion has not covered accordingly, there's philosophy as well.
It would be refreshing if a Christian would begin taking other sources of wisdom that is not only from the bible. And the thirst is not for quenching. It is for meaning. Not by ignorance that by simply forgoing the need for curiosity.
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Bro.

The Christian Life is a Huge Journey by itself. It's a whole lot of discovery. I'm not saying to stop pursuing knowledge.
I'm saying the seeking of Life Certainty stops at God. Only found in Him. The things of Man cannot provide you what God can.

And God says to Seek Him while He may be found, which is now the age of Grace.

Because there will come a time where God will shut Heaven and Earth and says enough is enough. Where New Heaven and Earth will emerge.
You can see the birthpangs of this planet. It's evident. This world will end one day. Doesn't matter when. Your life is limited. So the door will be shut one day.

To reject that is telling God, I got this on my own. And thus God being God will oblige by your decision.


Read this Bro. I don't know if it speaks to you.

Isaiah 55

Invitation to the Thirsty

1 “Come, all you who are thirsty,
come to the waters;
and you who have no money,
come, buy and eat!
Come, buy wine and milk
without money and without cost.

2 Why spend money on what is not bread,
and your labor on what does not satisfy?
Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good,
and you will delight in the richest of fare.

3 Give ear and come to me;
listen, that you may live.
I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
my faithful love promised to David.

4 See, I have made him a witness to the peoples,
a ruler and commander of the peoples.

5 Surely you will summon nations you know not,
and nations you do not know will come running to you,
because of the Lord your God,
the Holy One of Israel,
for he has endowed you with splendor.”

6 Seek the Lord while he may be found;
call on him while he is near.


7 Let the wicked forsake their ways
and the unrighteous their thoughts.
Let them turn to the Lord, and he will have mercy on them,
and to our God, for he will freely pardon.

8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”




Verse 1, It's talking about your thirst and hunger for fulfillment.
Verse 2, talks about the vanity of the pursuit of Man in life in the things of Man.
Verse 3, talks about the New Testament Covenant of Christ for your life.
Verse 4-5, talks about Christ his Son as the one who will inevitably rule as the Right Ruler of all Nation in the end.
verse 6, talks about NOW is your time of opportunity. It will not always be there.
Verse 7, talks about let those who are evil continue to be evil, as their ultimate end will come on Judgement Day.
Verse 8, talks about why your methodology of trying to explain or seek God will never work.

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Erm. Do not fall apart at the seams by imagining an insinuation that isn't there in the first place. I am merely making a point that Christians should embrace different sources of knowledge and wisdom, including the ones outside of the Bible. Note that all of these happen simply because I posted a video that only appears to be controversial to Christians, because of its title, but I was imploring all to at least attempt to understand why do people think the way they do, and the way how we think the way we do.
Again, you are imagining these "suggestions". I am merely saying that knowledge and wisdom requires an update and exposure from the very world we live in. Even if Christianity implies that this is not the world we should be aiming for, it is undeniable that we were placed upon this world in order to live our lives with it. We have souls, but were given physical bodies. If we are to deny our physical selves, what is then the meaning of our physicalities?
As stated by Sophiera's comment, the Tower of Babel could be an occult ritual site. Black magic and all. And while the story teaches about the downfall of humanity due to his or her arrogance, this does not translate into the same manner for simply wanting knowledge and wisdom. You can acquire knowledge and wisdom AND still be humble about it.


I do not think you will know exactly what will transpire when such an event happens.
Splitting the focus is exactly the main point. I have read the bible, but it does not provides all the answers. It was taught that the clay should not say to the maker, "what makest thou?". it certainly did not prevent the clay from trying to ask, "what makes me, and everything else the way it is?"
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Well, that's just it, we all have been seeking the meaning of life. I think deep inside, we all wonder is there really God? How to know which is right, which is the truth.
I find that only in Christianity, the figurehead made that claim and also paved the way for us, help us by holding us by the hand, leading us in the way, one that is easy to understand and achieve.


Other religion: All on your own. They provide the method, now you try to make it and achieve it, on your own.



I find that the wisdom or philosophies of the meaning of Life in other religion has this problems.
Their end goal of enlightenment, Salvation, nirvana, whatever the term, ALL depends on self.
How strong you are, How much Good deeds you have done, whether you have done enough to qualify. Something along this line.


I'll come straight to the point to say I don't think it's workable because as long as we are clothed in this earthly body, we are flawed in many ways. As long as we are flawed, there's no way you'll know, you'll make it or achieve it.

I would venture to say this God of the Christianity understand us so much more and makes more sense compared to the rest. And to answer your last point I think I have the right to say that God is right for saying that because after knowing Him for so long. All the things that He ever does, is always for my good and never evil. Who am I to question his wisdom after been proven that I'm wrong time and time again.

Romans 9:20
But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'"

When you don't know God, of course you'll think as how you did because there is no trust, between you and Father God.

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I don't know what to believe anymore... biggrin.gif
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UW I want to ask something about your signature.

'Atheist vehemently deny the existence of God and yet readily open to accept the idea of an alternate reality parallel universe. Topkek Pot calling Kettle black.'

Why is it topkek pot. Is it because it's impossible or...?
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Ohh nice movie there..

I remember when I visited Cambodia, there's a shop selling this cupcake, and the brand is called "Topcake."

But I don't understand what is "Topcake calling cattle black?" hmm.gif

Isn't it supposed to be "Pot calling kettle black?"
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I understand that we should look to the eternal life after death. But what I cannot understand is why God isn't showing love to His people who are laboring so hard for Him? I mean yes, Christian life is not a bed or roses but if the unbelievers can see how much my brother has suffered only for God to later redeem his life for a miracle, people will see God's grace and love for this hardworker who labour in his fields. I am praying for my brother that he will get a better well paying job and he will find his life partner that he likes and she likes him, so that his detractors can see how much God loves him ! Years after years, even at church, I felt as a 40 yr old along with my friend, that the younger Christians sort of make fun of us and even at one time, one very inconsiderate Korean Christian at my church, asked me if I was a divorcee because I wasn't married for so long. I want to see these people really humbled, when they see my friend and brother, fall from grace, just in the nick of time for God to uphold and bring him up..for everyone to watch and witness how much God loves him !

I wish for that day to come, not just the point when we die and go back to God but also in our lives, not just through our labour, but God show to the world, that He rescues his people in the nick of time for those people who look down on us, spit on our face and persecute us to realize that God is with us all the way ! So through this, we bring glory to God ! Amen !
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That's the annoying thing about inconsiderate church goers. They tend to look at outward appearances.

Common characteristics of inconsiderate church goers that I've encountered in Malaysia so far:-

1. Act with a holier than thou attitude. doh.gif
2. Aunties who likes to gossip. doh.gif doh.gif
3. Cheeky uncles. (I'm hope you are not one of them.)
4. Rowdy children. shakehead.gif
5. Guys and girls who want to introduced me to MLM, stuffs, etc. shakehead.gif

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But yeah, God is not like that. We do not know what is God's plan for us, apart from salvation. We can only pray for our life sustaineance, well-being and protection, etc.
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UW I want to ask something about your signature.

'Atheist vehemently deny the existence of God and yet readily open to accept the idea of an alternate reality parallel universe. Topkek Pot calling Kettle black.'

Why is it topkek pot. Is it because it's impossible or...?
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Alternate Universe means a world where our secondary actions takes effect.
Meaning that when you're face with Choice A & B, you do the Choice A, the Choice B happens in another dimension, another universe.


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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 21 2015, 10:49 PM)
Ohh nice movie there..

I remember when I visited Cambodia, there's a shop selling this cupcake, and the brand is called "Topcake."

But I don't understand what is "Topcake calling cattle black?"  hmm.gif

Isn't it supposed to be "Pot calling kettle black?"
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I don't know if it's from 9gag (don't visit there) but I do know it's /k/tard lingo I suppose.
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Hebrews 10:26 (NIV) - If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,


This deliberately sinning is referring to Apostasy.

If you read the following words after that; "after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left," it means, rejecting Christ's Sacrifice once and for all and rather going back to the sacrifice of bulls and goats as in the days of the Old Covenant.

That is the context of sinning deliberately. This message was for the Hebrews, the Jewish people.

It is not referring to sin of morality.

If you read from the beginning of hebrews 10 why it so painstakingly explain about sacrifices.


I hope this answers your question.

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jul 22 2015, 08:56 AM)
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and then they preach on wealth blessing. Meaning to say all Christians are entitled to be blessed with monetary income.

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the end goal is to influence non-believer, so they will receive CHRIST and keep influencing more, until no more unbeliever left

This is to fullfill the great commission. Matthew 28:16 - 20
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...thew%2028:16-20

you need to learn to respect other people approach to preach gospel if you want to have your prayer answered.
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SINFUL UNBELIEVING HEART

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Hebrews 3:12 (NIV) - See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.


I've heard from the Holy Spirit this morning and I want to share with you this passage in hebrews 3:12. Praise God. When his miracle come, sometimes it's like a flood. biggrin.gif
One good thing after another. Our God is a good God Amen?

There is this question. Why as Christian, we don't receive from God, why we don't hear him, why we don't receive some miracle like some other Christians do.

And He wants you to receive his divine power and the question is, what is stopping this. Ready to receive the word?

I'll begin with this.

Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. The word slave in the KJV was translated as servants. (John 8:35)

Many times we feel like this. We feel more of a servant than a Son. That we need to work for God enough, pray enough, read the Bible enough, be pious enough.
In other words, we are always trying to achieve, work for it. Trying to earn the place. Trying to be in the position where God actually ALREADY gave to us, before we think we qualify to receive. This is the wrong perception our flesh (corrupted nature) tries to embed in us.

Unless you know what you have, you cannot give. Unless you know who you are, you cannot receive and bless others.
You are pretending, it's a pseudo identity, you are pretending, trying to become, because deep down inside, you don't really believe that you're a Christian.
You're "trying" to be a Christian. This is the problem, some of you are facing.

That is pretense, that is where the word "hypocrite" comes from, you're trying to be who you're not. If God calls you a saint, then you're a saint by faith.

But here is the problem. You cannot receive the Grace of God unless you whole heartedly accept what God says about you.

God says you are righteous by Faith and yet we keep trying be righteous by our performance. This is one big struggle for every Christian. Myself included at times.
We don't really accept Grace for what it is. That we are made righteous not of our own merit and yet we struggle for this. And I can explain why.

See, it's easier to trust that we are righteous by the merits of our effort than to believe that we are when we have done nothing about it. Did you hear me? I'll say this again.
It's easier to trust that we are righteous by the merits of our effort than to believe that we are when we have done nothing about it.

Hebrews 3:12 calls this a sinful unbelieving heart.

Until you begin to accept this completely, that God already receive you as a Son more than a slave/servant. That you are made Righteous because you believe in Christ. Your Sins are already dealt with and put away at the cross completely forevermore. Until you accept and believe this wholeheartedly, you will have have problems receiving from God. Why? Because you walk not by faith but by the sight of your performance. Until you repent this in mind and spirit, you'll be kept in this cycle of unbelieving loop.

I pray that the Holy Spirit will give you insight unto all that has been said and explained.

God Bless.

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jul 22 2015, 08:56 AM)
I can tell you, the single guys at church are really insecureeeee to the ice cap mountain limits.

First thing when they meet me, they will ask me if I am single or not and if I say yes...they will go on "hunter" mode like competing against me. I ask my gf if she had any problems with church goers, she say she never had, only have problem with unbelievers when she share the message. Why? because she's young and pretty and the hamsap guys at church all wanna target her. Its nice to be in your 20s, a girl and serving at church.

*snip*

At first his church sounds very sweet message and I know there's a lot of frustrated people at my church because its been steam rolling us into serving. Many just kena burn out. That's why many people from my church escape to go to his church. But I say any church that cut corners in God's revered WORD, is a church that's church trying to cut corners in our faith. The truth is most important no matter how painful it is. The bible specifically says we need to repent.
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Eh, y ur church so many kiasu ppl one neh? shocking.gif

u frm Dee You Amm Zeee izit? just say la! if not, nvm. LOL biggrin.gif

also, the preacher tat goes by the name "Prince" memang got problem one.

I rolled mah eyes shakehead.gif whn i listened to his sermons on youtube many years ago.

SG being SG, a developed nation wif citizens who face endless 1st world problems, well......u need somebody to cater to the materialistic crowd......to scratch an itch if u knw wat i mean brows.gif


QUOTE(de1929 @ Jul 22 2015, 09:44 AM)
the end goal is to influence non-believer, so they will receive CHRIST and keep influencing more, until no more unbeliever left

This is to fullfill the great commission. Matthew 28:16 - 20
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...thew%2028:16-20

you need to learn to respect other people approach to preach gospel if you want to have your prayer answered.
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Hello,

influence non-believers wif money? shocking.gif

So u pray to Christ or Mammon actually? we dun need to 'influence' non-believers.

It's the Holy Spirit tat does the convicting. Not by the strength of man, which u r actually advocating.

& wat do u mean by " until no more unbeliever left"? Is tat even possible? I tot u said u oredi read the Bible 10 times over?

u dun even knw wat u r talking about!

& pls la! all ur Joyce Meyers & Benny Hinns & "Prince"s, all x boleh pakai one! They only preach on 1 main theme & it's not Christ shakehead.gif

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jul 22 2015, 04:44 PM)
I am not even going to go there with you.

I've talked to you before and I know its pointless.
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Well, New Creation Church is similar with City Harvest theology, i don't know much about this Pst Joseph Prince but i don't think his church preach only prosperity blessing all the time, different pastor of different church has a different mindset though they are from the same church or same denomination

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 22 2015, 08:32 AM)
I don't know if it's from 9gag (don't visit there) but I do know it's /k/tard lingo I suppose.
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Ah..9gag....been there, done that.. tongue.gif

QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jul 22 2015, 08:56 AM)
I can tell you, the single guys at church are really insecureeeee to the ice cap mountain limits.

First thing when they meet me, they will ask me if I am single or not and if I say yes...they will go on "hunter" mode like competing against me. I ask my gf if she had any problems with church goers, she say she never had, only have problem with unbelievers when she share the message. Why? because she's young and pretty and the hamsap guys at church all wanna target her. Its nice to be in your 20s, a girl and serving at church.

The no.1 Act holier than thou attitude - ooohhh boy. That's the one major turn off I hate. I have one cg member, he's a bit like that. At first, when I had my break off with my ex, I shared this with my cg, and then this dude suddenly became like a "mentor" to me. He came over and shared his experiences of his own break up and how he overcame it, got married and became successful in marriage. Then he complain to me about our church and told me there's a better church. He's been like secretly going to this better church lead by a Singaporean name "Prince". His mega church in Singapore has 14k members now it has a branch in PJ. The church a bit odd one, they say no need to repent...and then they preach on wealth blessing. Meaning to say all Christians are entitled to be blessed with monetary income.

Anyways, at first I was listening to him but when I had a small disagreement with what he said, he completely shut me off and told me to listen to him, didn't allow me to talk. Red Flag ! Then he took me to his church, and wanted to recommend some girls to me. I wasn't interested.

Later on, I shared and ask him for advice when I was chasing my gf...then he told me that my way was not righteous. RED FLAG ! He then proceeded to tell me that if I don't change my ways, he will not entertain me and not advice me anymore, then he thanked me and say he will be my friend, just that he doesn't want me to solicitate advices from him anymore.

What the heck?

I then made a background check on his church, and found it suspecting. I mean when in any doubt ! Go back to the WORD !

At first his church sounds very sweet message and I know there's a lot of frustrated people at my church because its been steam rolling us into serving. Many just kena burn out. That's why many people from my church escape to go to his church. But I say any church that cut corners in God's revered WORD, is a church that's church trying to cut corners in our faith. The truth is most important no matter how painful it is. The bible specifically says we need to repent.
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That's why I don't serve in church. ohmy.gif

shocking.gif

Ok. I don't want to visit your church. EVER!!

My church got people like de1929, pehkay (quiet and wise), unknown warrior (wise and funny), etc.

Yes, we need to repent.

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Eh, y ur church so many kiasu ppl one neh?  shocking.gif

u frm Dee You Amm Zeee izit? just say la! if not, nvm. LOL  biggrin.gif

also, the preacher tat goes by the name "Prince" memang got problem one.

I rolled mah eyes  shakehead.gif  whn i listened to his sermons on youtube many years ago.

SG being SG, a developed nation wif citizens who face endless 1st world problems, well......u need somebody to cater to the materialistic crowd......to scratch an itch if u knw wat i mean brows.gif
Hello,

influence non-believers wif money?  shocking.gif   

So u pray to Christ or Mammon actually? we dun need to 'influence' non-believers.

It's the Holy Spirit tat does the convicting. Not by the strength of man, which u r actually advocating. 

& wat do u mean by " until no more unbeliever left"? Is tat even possible? I tot u said u oredi read the Bible 10 times over?

u dun even knw wat u r talking about!

& pls la! all ur Joyce Meyers & Benny Hinns & "Prince"s, all x boleh pakai one! They only preach on 1 main theme & it's not Christ  shakehead.gif
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Uh-huh. Joseph Prince, Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyers, Benny Hinns, etc.... rolleyes.gif

Have you seen those people's net worth? ohmy.gif

Can feed the poor, but alas, they need to spend it on their mansions, jets, sport cars, etc....


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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jul 22 2015, 10:00 PM)
You know my church meh? LoL

But most churches are like this one. Sometimes the church call us to serve as if its easy. It takes so much time that the singles at my church don't even have time to be in relationships. that's why my church got so many single people.
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I think you gave a hint not too long ago. brows.gif

IKR. Even at my church, there's single men and ladies till their 50s. I mean nothing wrong with that. I admire their steadfast courage and dedication to serve the Lord. notworthy.gif


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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 22 2015, 09:53 PM)
Uh-huh. Joseph Prince, Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyers, Benny Hinns, etc.... rolleyes.gif

Have you seen those people's net worth?  ohmy.gif

Can feed the poor, but alas, they need to spend it on their mansions, jets, sport cars, etc....
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Ya! thr's even a guy called Creflo A. Dollar, Jr. !

lookin @ his name, u'd think he was made to do this. Heh! biggrin.gif

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/06/03/pastor-creflo-dollar-might-get-his-65-million-private-jet-after-all/



& how bout Beth Moore? user posted image

i think she's HOT! tongue.gif
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Ya! thr's even a guy called Creflo A. Dollar, Jr. ! 

lookin @ his name, u'd think he was made to do this. Heh!  biggrin.gif

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/06/03/pastor-creflo-dollar-might-get-his-65-million-private-jet-after-all/
& how bout Beth Moore? user posted image

i think she's HOT!  tongue.gif
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What a name. $$$... laugh.gif

Oh, you like older women. laugh.gif

There's plenty in my church.

QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jul 22 2015, 10:18 PM)
Well, it depends. I know a lot of guys in their 40s who are single n dedicated to serve but really want to find life partners.
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Talking about yourself eh? hehe...

How's your Mandarin?

Ni zhe me mingzi? LEL.

Is that correct?
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Well, it depends. I know a lot of guys in their 40s who are single n dedicated to serve but really want to find life partners.
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i'm a guy in my 30s, who is single but not dedicated to serve, but really want to find life partner also blush.gif
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jul 22 2015, 06:32 PM)
Yes that was the word I looking for "prosperity blessing".

This mindset is very dangerous if I not mistaken. It makes members think they are entitled to be blessed with wealth. Then if bad things happen to them? How? They will be disappointed.

And to leave out repentance is very dangerous precedent. Members will go on sinning thinking that when they accepted Christ, they no need to repent.
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Well, Prosperity is not bad when it was preached wisely and the right way but when it was preached that money falling from the sky by just repenting it's not right, God and Jesus never said that believe in me and i will make you rich, but Jesus said this the heaven and earth belong to my father and those who believe in me will inherit what i have or to what they called (eternal live)
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jul 22 2015, 10:34 PM)
Your time will come. If you want faster, Dee Yuu MM Zee has lots of single girls in their 30s.

I used to be like you, struggling to find one but didn't think i would be able to find one in sort period therefore - i am confident God will grant you one. I didn't sort of serve a lot, i did a lot of church projects but was bullied by my peers there.

Well I hope my current rship works out.
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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jul 22 2015, 10:30 PM)
Ni de mingzi shi shenme? Ni shi Tina jie jie?

But i more familiar with cantonese...lei kiew meh mang?

My mandarin sucks. I am totally lost when i am in with my gf's family - they speak hokkien (i speak cantonese), they speak mandarin (i speak better spanish). I look utterly hopeless.
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Wo de mingzi shi Tina.

jie jie is sister right? blush.gif

Wo de laoshi hen piaoliang. laugh.gif

Wo men kan dianshi.

Mandarin so hard la. rclxub.gif


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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jul 22 2015, 10:45 PM)
No lah, you can just visit.

*hint* *hint*...

got two ladies there name Adeline...she quite fatt hao. One age 35, the other 37.
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wei!! i dun mind older or richer or taller than me, BUT......

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edit: ooops! blush.gif i read tat as FAT. sori! Heh!

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Oh no problem...i know one lady - 38 yrs old, slim but teeth like nga chatt sou. She very desperate and fatt hao at church.

You like or not?
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wei!!  i dun mind older or richer or taller than me, BUT......

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Ni de nu pengyou hen tou ma?
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What the funk...Ah. This is so difficult! rclxub.gif

Wo jintian qu shang ke ming tian.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 22 2015, 11:05 PM)
Aiya. Wo shi tou.

What the funk...Ah. This is so difficult!  rclxub.gif

Wo jintian qu shang ke ming tian.
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I AM NOW.....ehhh

ME TODAY GO CLASS TOMORROW? hmm.gif


edit : Ich glaube nicht, Mandarine sprechen

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HA HA HA! i can only partially guess watcha sayin'.

I AM NOW.....ehhh

ME TODAY GO CLASS TOMORROW?  hmm.gif
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I'm going to class tomorrow night.  blush.gif

Wo de tongxue ta qu kan dianying. Antman.
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MY COLLEAGUE HE GO WATCH MOVIE. Antman icon_rolleyes.gif

nice translator pinyin software u got thr.

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Ich spreche nicht gut Mandarin.
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hah! this 1 i knw! 

MY COLLEAGUE HE GO WATCH MOVIE. Antman  icon_rolleyes.gif

nice translator pinyin software u got thr.

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I'm memorizing from my previous lessons.
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but, but how much can u memorize? unsure.gif

the thing tat sux about chinese characters, it's all about memorizing. plus, the different strokes used to form a character.

its not like the 26 alphabets, whr u can mix & match to form words.

experts say the optimum age to pick up languages is 12 & below.

oh well.......but since u r German, i'm sure u can pik things up pretty quickly nod.gif
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but, but how much can u memorize?  unsure.gif

the thing tat sux about chinese characters, it's all about memorizing. plus, the different strokes used to form a character.

its not like the 26 alphabets, whr u can mix & match to form words.

experts say the optimum age to pick up languages is 12 & below.

oh well.......but since u r German, i'm sure u can pik things up pretty quickly  nod.gif
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Wo yao xuexi zhongwen.

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Wo de laoshi dui wo hen hao.

Wo yao xuexi zhongwen.

Shuo putonghua hen nan.  rclxub.gif

Wo you jiezhi.
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I WANT xxxxx CHINESE LANGUAGE.

SPEAKING MANDARIN IS HARD.

I HAVE xxxxxxxx

Tat's all i knw biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 22 2015, 11:44 PM)
MY TEACHER TREAT ME VERY WELL.

I WANT xxxxx CHINESE LANGUAGE.

SPEAKING MANDARIN IS HARD.

I HAVE xxxxxxxx 

Tat's all i knw  biggrin.gif
Welcome to  "LYN Chinese Christians Fellowship V10" thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Correct.

I want TO LEARN Chinese language.

Correct.

I have a ring.

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I think learning Indonesian and BM is far easier.

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Jul 22 2015, 10:41 PM)
Inherit the treasures in heaven, right? Well i think Prince of NCC was referring to prosperity on Earth. The thing is, if everyone were to become rich because they are christians then everybody would be worshiping God for the wrong reasons. Its just like when i was a taoist, we used to pray for more money and prosperity, even CNY we give ang pao and wish each other more money...mix the yee sang for more prosperity.

I think when God bless us with riches, it has many meanings. Even Paul say the thorn in his flesh is a blessing. A blessing does not necessarily mean prosperity, easy life, good health and whatever that makes us feel better.
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Being RICHLY provided to Enjoy Life, is God's will

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1 Timothy 6:17 (NIV) - Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment.


I know some of you are discussing about wealth, prosperity and all that. Don't be too quick to be offended by mention of the word wealth or prosperity because If God already put you in the position of being prospered (meaning that you're better off than most people) or is going to put in that position, then you'll have to despise God else you'll be a hypocrite for attacking other but receiving this yourself without condemnation.

I know many of you are taught traditionally to hate any Christian having Big Houses, Jet Planes and all that. But before you start to even demonize this devotion, Can I remind you, God prospered Great Man of God with Big Houses, jet planes, Riches with Silver, Cattle, Servants, Gold, etc back in days before the Bible was compiled into a book form.

I'm sure you know who are these Patriarchs.


My argument is always this. One that I find no Christian is able to refute.

If God truly despite wealth and prosperity for his Children, None of them would have had it (GIVEN by God) and be recorded in the Bible, Job for example. A VERY good example.

The most common argument that most Christian has against Wealth and Prosperity are the verses that talks ill about money. It's always this argument that has shaped their thinking but I find it, is usually done without understanding the overall context of the Bible.

The key to understand whether prosperity or being blessed with Things (Material, Physical), is right or wrong, is it find out if it's God's will in the first place?
If you can find a verse that supports this, then you have a strong base to argue the rest of the extended argument away.

I will give you 2 scripture verse that strong supports otherwise.

1 Timothy 6:17 & Jeremiah 29:11.

First and foremost, 1 Timothy 6:17 talks about being provided in some or just meagre little things for our enjoyment. Because God knows if you're given everything, you'll be destroyed. Did I quote 1 Timothy 6:17 correctly?

Secondly Jeremiah 29:11 is only meant for the Children of Israel. I guess then God must have made some errors in the writings of Galatians 3:7, Galatians 3:9 and Romans 9:8. It must have been a mistake inserted purposely by money hungry Bible Scribes to hoodwink Christians that God wants to Bless his children to inherit this world. I guess Proverbs 13:22 must be a lie too and Ecclesiastes 2:26 was an admission by mistake.

I guess I should stop before it's too much to take in and digest.

I find that most Christian do not know how to differentiate between the Love of Money and being Blessed to prosper by God. They just cannot separate the two. Either ignorantly, purposely or jealousy, either one is always true.

Most of you have been grounded well on Bible teachings on this, So I will not bombard you with more scripture verses but appeal to your spiritual judgment.

With all that being said. I'll just close with this................................................................................wisdom if you agree.

Don't pursue <insert taboo thing for Christians to talk about>. Don't love <insert taboo thing for Christians to talk about>.

But Allow God to bless you financially, prosperous and use it to bless others and make friends. (Please REALLY do read, Luke 16:9 for your spiritual insight sake)

God Bless.







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Being RICHLY provided to Enjoy Life, is God's will
I know some of you are discussing about wealth, prosperity and all that. Don't be too quick to be offended by mention of the word wealth or prosperity because If God already put you in the position of being prospered (meaning that you're better off than most people) or is going to put in that position, then you'll have to despise God else you'll be a hypocrite for attacking other but receiving this yourself without condemnation.

I know many of you are taught traditionally to hate any Christian having Big Houses, Jet Planes and all that. But before you start to even demonize this devotion, Can I remind you,  God prospered Great Man of God with Big Houses, jet planes, Riches with Silver, Cattle, Servants, Gold, etc back in days before the Bible was compiled into a book form.

I'm sure you know who are these Patriarchs.
My argument is always this.  One that I find no Christian is able to refute.

If God truly despite wealth and prosperity for his Children, None of them would have had it (GIVEN by God) and be recorded in the Bible, Job for example. A VERY good example.

The most common argument that most Christian has against Wealth and Prosperity are the verses that talks ill about money. It's always this argument that has shaped their thinking but I find it, is usually done without understanding the overall context of the Bible.

The key to understand whether prosperity or being blessed with Things (Material, Physical), is right or wrong, is it find out if it's God's will in the first place?
If you can find a verse that supports this, then you have a strong base to argue the rest of the extended argument away. 

I will give you 2 scripture verse that strong supports otherwise.

1 Timothy 6:17 & Jeremiah 29:11.

First and foremost, 1 Timothy 6:17 talks about being provided in some or just meagre little things for our enjoyment. Because God knows if you're given everything, you'll be destroyed. Did I quote 1 Timothy 6:17 correctly?

Secondly Jeremiah 29:11 is only meant for the Children of Israel. I guess then God must have made some errors in the writings of Galatians 3:7, Galatians 3:9 and Romans 9:8. It must have been a mistake inserted purposely by money hungry Bible Scribes to hoodwink Christians that God wants to Bless his children to inherit this world. I guess Proverbs 13:22 must be a lie too and Ecclesiastes 2:26 was an admission by mistake.

I guess I should stop before it's too much to take in and digest.

I find that most Christian do not know how to differentiate between the Love of Money and being Blessed to prosper by God. They just cannot separate the two. Either ignorantly, purposely or jealousy, either one is always true.

Most of you have been grounded well on Bible teachings on this, So I will not bombard you with more scripture verses but appeal to your spiritual judgment.

With all that being said. I'll just close with this................................................................................wisdom if you agree.

Don't pursue <insert taboo thing for Christians to talk about>. Don't love <insert taboo thing for Christians to talk about>.

But Allow God to bless you financially, prosperous and use it to bless others and make friends. (Please REALLY do read, Luke 16:9 for your spiritual insight sake)

God Bless.
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thanks for putting the word nicely for everybody to have their mind opened. GOD Bless U. thumbup.gif

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thanks for putting the word nicely for everybody to have their mind opened. GOD Bless U.  thumbup.gif
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i have no problems wif God blessing believers wif wealth, if it's his will nod.gif . There are some extremely rich ppl in my church.

one of them is a Dato worth half a billion. another one owns one of the top I.T. firms in the country. there's another one who.....nvm......

You, on the other hand, am promoting something else rolleyes.gif




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i have no problems wif God blessing believers wif wealth, if it's his will  nod.gif . There are some extremely rich ppl in my church.

one of them is a Dato worth half a billion. another one owns one of the top I.T. firms in the country. there's another one who.....nvm......

You, on the other hand, am promoting something else  rolleyes.gif
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hmm... because your believe of salvation is not OSAS, that's why you concern about the quality of new convert right ?

I am OSAS believer, meaning once non-believer convert to christianity, they always will go to heaven. It does not matter which church the new convert will go.

so, from OSAS mindset / point of view, whatever we promote actually does not matter.

Is this answering the question about "promoting something else?"

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hmm... because your believe of salvation is not OSAS, that's why you concern about the quality of new convert right ?

I am OSAS believer, meaning once non-believer convert to christianity, they always will go to heaven. It does not matter which church the new convert will go.

so, from OSAS mindset / point of view, whatever we promote actually does not matter.

Is this answering the question about "promoting something else?"
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nope. ur "promoting something else" refers to the prosperity gospel. so u agree wif ppl like Kong Hee?
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nope. ur "promoting something else" refers to the prosperity gospel. so u agree wif ppl like Kong Hee?
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Dear friends, my father just passed away today in a accident near my house
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Dear friends, my father just passed away today in a accident near my house
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Dear Luffy, i would like to express my deepest condolence.
If your father already received JESUS, then don't worry.
If your father not yet received JESUS, you can apply petition to JESUS to have exception.

It's a good thing that relation with CHRIST is based on one-to-one faith (i mean your faith to CHRIST), not by general understanding.

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Dear friends, my father just passed away today in a accident near my house
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Dear friends, my father just passed away today in a accident near my house
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Dear friends, my father just passed away today in a accident near my house
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This I understand

Wealth is really needed to help left other people out of poverty. A destitute man cannot feel another destitute neighbour. It takes someone with resources to get new sources of food, or build a well, or improve housing.

Otherwise we wouldn't be constantly collecting funds to help the poor.
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my deepest condolences.
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This I understand

Wealth is really needed to help left other people out of poverty. A destitute man cannot feel another destitute neighbour. It takes someone with resources to get new sources of food, or build a well, or improve housing.

Otherwise we wouldn't be constantly collecting funds to help the poor.
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We'll talk about this another time when the time is right.


Now I urge friends if you can spare 1 minute to just pray for God to comfort Luffy.

It may be an accident that caused His dad to pass on, but it's no accident that Luffy's dad has entered Heaven where all Pain and Tears END.

For that I hope Luffy you can rejoice and find strength in God. Take Heart.
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Be strong dude.
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We'll talk about this another time when the time is right.
Now I urge friends if you can spare 1 minute to just pray for God to comfort Luffy.

It may be an accident that caused His dad to pass on, but it's no accident that Luffy's dad has entered Heaven where all Pain and Tears END.

For that I hope Luffy you can rejoice and find strength in God. Take Heart.
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We'll talk about this another time when the time is right.
Now I urge friends if you can spare 1 minute to just pray for God to comfort Luffy.

It may be an accident that caused His dad to pass on, but it's no accident that Luffy's dad has entered Heaven where all Pain and Tears END.

For that I hope Luffy you can rejoice and find strength in God. Take Heart.
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It's too hard bro, now that my father is no longer around but i can't help but think how much he suffer due to a school boy fault who is speeding
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It's too hard bro, now that my father is no longer around but i can't help but think how much he suffer due to a school boy fault who is speeding
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I agree it's hard. I am sorry i can't help much luffy except some youtubes
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jul 24 2015, 01:50 AM)
It's too hard bro, now that my father is no longer around but i can't help but think how much he suffer due to a school boy fault who is speeding
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Well try to think this way. Now He suffers no more but enjoying and just started to taste eternal life With Jesus.

Isn't that far better than when He's here suffering from health problem?

This is reality Bro Luffy, not some wishful thinking.

Our physical body are all temporary housing for our spirit. Our Real Home is Where God's kingdom is.

This is the whole point of the Gospel, why Jesus came, why you became a Christian. Why you fight the good fight of Faith.


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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 24 2015, 08:34 AM)
Well try to think this way.  Now He suffers no more but enjoying and just started to taste eternal life With Jesus.

Isn't that far better than when He's here suffering from health problem?

This is reality Bro Luffy, not some wishful thinking.

Our physical body are all temporary housing for our spirit. Our Real Home is Where God's kingdom is.

This is the whole point of the Gospel, why Jesus came, why you became a Christian. Why you fight the good fight of Faith.
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it's just too hard for me and my siblings, all of us having a sleepless night cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

i do appreciate the encouragement and comfort you all given me, thank you
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And we are his house

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Hebrews 3:6 (NIV) - But Christ is faithful as the Son over God's house. And we are his house, if indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory.


What an encouragement. First and foremost, God is Faithful.

Christ is Faithful as the Son over God's House. What does that mean? When Moses was given the task of being God's spokesperson and to deliver God's people out of the clutches of Pharaoh, he was faithful to commit himself as a servant over God's House. Moses was a type, a pictology of Christ where He represent the Gospel of delivering God's people out of Egypt. Egypt represents the World. God hid the revelation of the coming of his Son's deliverance for his people in the story of Moses.

Now in Hebrews 3:6, The word say Christ is the Faithful Son over God's House.

And Christ is one who is greater than Moses because He is the Son. A Son means one who inherits from the Father because He is part of the Family. But the greater point is this. Christ has more right and authority as a Son compare to a servant. And the key point here is that Christ is Faithful as the Son. What is God trying to say?

Here it is: God wants you to know, That God Salvation for you is very very assured under the trustable hands of his Son who is forever more Faithful.
It will not be a maybe, perhaps...but SURELY! Why? because Christ is faithful as the Son over God's house! He will do his part as promise as a Son.

What do we have to do? Read the following verse:

" if indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory."

It is not your doing, your effort, works, obedience or whatever performance. You just have to trust in the Son in Faith, that He will represent you before Father God.

Think of it, this way, When A Bank gives you a letter of guarantee for RM50,000.00, Chop, sealed and signed, you know that it is for sure, without a doubt it will happen. Why? Because you have a black and white, a legal tender subjected to Laws and Regulation that will defend favourable on your behalf.

Same thing with Christ. Christ Death on the Cross, His Blood, Your Faith and The Holy Spirit is your legal tender that will defend favourable on your behalf against Satan's accusation and the judgement of God.

What God has said and promised, it will never return void.

I leave you with this closing verse:

Hebrews 6:18 (KJV) - That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

God Bless.

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Hey guys... i wonder whats the christian view on spirituality... ?
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Hey guys... i wonder whats the christian view on spirituality... ?
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the Christian life is already spiritual.
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in what way? really curious no flame yo
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Our everyday life, under the watchful eyes of our God, our communion with Him (Daily Communication), protection, providence, answered prayers for every situation.

When we read his word (Bible), it speaks to us.

It's a 24/7 thing.
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Our everyday life, under the watchful eyes of our God, our communion with Him (Daily Communication), protection, providence, answered prayers for every situation.

When we read his word (Bible), it speaks to us.

It's a 24/7 thing.
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Dear friends, my father just passed away today in a accident near my house
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How old is your dad. Is your dad a believer?

My dad died unexpectedly as well. Around 2 years ago. He fell because of a stroke and pass away after that.

It is God's will I guess. God can take away someone's life anytime and that is why we have to be thankful every moment that we are alive.
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Dear Luffy, i would like to express my deepest condolence.
If your father already received JESUS, then don't worry.
If your father not yet received JESUS, you can apply petition to JESUS to have exception.

It's a good thing that relation with CHRIST is based on one-to-one faith (i mean your faith to CHRIST), not by general understanding.
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feel free to tell us what you think, not to use emoticon please. I believe you have bible verses to "equip" us ?

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Dear Luffy, i would like to express my deepest condolence.
If your father already received JESUS, then don't worry.
If your father not yet received JESUS, you can apply petition to JESUS to have exception.

It's a good thing that relation with CHRIST is based on one-to-one faith (i mean your faith to CHRIST), not by general understanding. I'm a donkey btw.
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feel free to tell us what you think, not to use emoticon please. I believe you have bible verses to "equip" us ?
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Huh?! i didn't say anything in the 1st place. On the other hand, u were the one who said it. y dun YOU back-up wat u said wif Bible verses instead?  icon_question.gif

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http://biblehub.com/hebrews/4-16.htm
Hebrews 4:16
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Let us then approach God's throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

apply petition = approach GOD's throne of grace with confidence.

the keyword actually in verse 14:
14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess.

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ok fair enough:

http://biblehub.com/hebrews/4-16.htm
Hebrews 4:16
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Let us then approach God's throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

apply petition = approach GOD's throne of grace with confidence.

the keyword actually in verse 14:
14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess.

The faith bro  thumbup.gif ... and proudly telling u as what my signature is ... Word-of-faith  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  Hee Haw!!
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so do you mind telling us what is correct ?
too much poverty to hinder GOD's grace ?
too poor to explain ?
too little to encourage ?
is this your biblical view of live, like picture below ?

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Dear friends, Thank you for your support and prayers appreciate it alot and now it's back to reality with me and my siblings left to take care of my mother. would not be able to post much here anymore but will drop in whenever i have the time
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Hebrews 6:9(NIV) - But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.


You need to know Bible definition accurately so that Bible interpretation is correct. Whenever the Bible mention the word "beloved" it is always referring to the Believers. You need to correctly divide this, else you won't understand the Book of Hebrews in context.

In the chapter 6 verse 9, in the King James, it begins by saying But Beloved.........The word "But" means that, there is a contrast between Believers of Christ and those who aren't. I want you to stop for 10 seconds and this about this "But".

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Hebrews 6:9: But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.


What Paul meant is that, concerning the believers...........there is better things that concerns Salvation. So in contrast, who are the Non Believers that don't have the better promised as Believers do today, that Paul was referring to? The Answer are the Hebrews who rejected Christ as the Messiah. The Book of Hebrews is after all a Book written to the Hebrews. For them, It's impossible to be brought back to repentance. This is the context in meaning of Hebrews 6:4.

People always get afraid and confused whenever preachers use this passage of scripture to apply to everyone even Christians. By misquoting this, they threatened Christians with fear mongering, that Salvation is not assured ( Hebrews 6:4. - impossible to be brought back to repentance). That is not dividing God's word correctly. Let deal this passage, word by word in detail. I pray and hope this misconception will be removed and laid to rest once and for all.

Hebrews 6 (KJV) -1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this will we do, if God permit. 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Hebrews 6 verse 1 to 4 talks about, let us move on away from the very basic level, elementary, the ABC, the kindergarten level. What is it referring to? The Answer is, the Laws of Moses. UW, what's your prove of saying this? In chapter 5, the chapter before this, talks about Sin Sacrifices. That is the Law of Moses of the 10 commandments. God is saying, lets move up to the next level, maturity. Don't keep yourself stuck on the very basic level which is the Law. It is pointless for Paul to preach to the Hebrews about the Law when they already knew the Law since young by heart. In Fact Paul was persuading them to move away from that. So it's redundant to say that the "better thing" is referring to Holiness/Sanctification by obedience to the law. If you think that the Law are the deeper stuff that Christian should work their life on, here the word of God very much disagree, in fact God calls you a baby if you insist on holding on to it.

"Doctrines of Baptism" refers to Judaism doctrine of washing of the water (cleansing rites). They believe they have to wash everything, even utensils to sanctify for holy usage. They have to wash their hands, feet, they need immerge in water, put on new clothes before entering the Temple to meet God.

Laying on of Hands, The resurrection of the Dead and eternal Judgement, all these, are also what Judaism believes in.

Hebrews 6 verse 5 to 6, Then what about the part where it says those who have tasted the heavenly gift, who made partakers of the Holy Ghost and tasted the Good word of God? Surely it must be referring to Christians and not the Jews.

Tasted the heavenly Gifts and the word of God means they have sampled the Working of God's kingdom, but does it mean that because of that, the person is saved? The Answer is no. Taste compared to Drinking and Eating are 2 different things. (John 6:53)

Then what about partakers of Holy Spirit? Surely Nobody can do any miracles unless they have the HS in them.

Are you sure?

Judas was among the 12 disciples and He was also among those who could cast out demons. The thing is, None of them had the HS in them. The Power of the HS was on them but not in them. Even back in the OT, Elisha, Elijah all demonstrated the power of God's Spirit but the HS was not in them.

No dear Friends, all in all, Hebrews 6:1-6 was written referring to the Jewish people and not Christians. For them to reject Christ, after knowing all these (Judas a very good example), have been enlightened to know that Christ is the messiah, have tasted heavenly gifts (have seen the works of Christ, the healing, etc), made partaker (in partner) of the Holy Spirit, (referring to the prophets, disciples who done miracles on God's behalf), tasted the good word of God (to see the manifestation from the preaching of God's word,Feeding of the 5000 [example])... for them to still reject Christ despite knowing and tasted all these and rather go back to Temple Sacrifices, To The Old Covenant, saying I don't need Christ even though I've seen it....For them it's impossible to be brought to repentance.

Why?

Because there is no.....more.....Sacrifice left. The work of Christ is the only Sacrifice valid in the eyes of God and the available Grace that gives us Salvation.

Amen? Always see yourself as the beloved in Christ. When the Bible mention beloved, it's God talking to you. God Bless.

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so do you mind telling us what is correct ?
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lets not get ahead of urself. the topic of the day is about whether or not we can still get saved after our death and departure from this world.

we weren't even discussing about prosperity gospel or wateva. Why are u deflecting?

u seem to quote the Bible out of context. do u even understand what 'petition' means?

Here, i'll just keep it short wif 1 verse :

“And as it is appointed for men to DIE ONCE, but after this the judgment …” - Hebrew 9:27

Even your understanding of basic biblical doctrine is wrong & u wan to touch on other subjects? doh.gif
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Hey guys onomatopoeia OlgaC4 Binyamin 2malaysia pundex,

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lets not get ahead of urself. the topic of the day is about whether or not we can still get saved after our death and departure from this world.
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I know, but i am addressing the root, whichis poverty.

QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 27 2015, 11:03 PM)
we weren't even discussing about prosperity gospel or wateva. Why are u deflecting?

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the above explains.

QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 27 2015, 11:03 PM)
u seem to quote the Bible out of context.

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context is not the king. Holy Spirit is. Once you abide with context, then miracles nullified.
Petition is petition. Apply for something, let the authority decides.

QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 27 2015, 11:03 PM)
Here, i'll just keep it short wif 1 verse :

“And as it is appointed for men to DIE ONCE, but after this the judgment …” - Hebrew 9:27

Even your understanding of basic biblical doctrine is wrong & u wan to touch on other subjects?  doh.gif
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the poverty mindset leads to poverty gospel, and poverty gospel produce poverty mindset. sorry to say:
if you are friend to the judge .... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif you know the outcome right ?

I am a friend of GOD. Friend = "it is negotiable"... i believe you know Abraham negotiate about sodom n gomorah. For english sake, i use word petition instead of negotiation for luffy's father case.

James 2:23

(JAS 2:23) AND THE SCRIPTURE WAS FULFILLED WHICH SAITH, ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS IMPUTED UNTO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS: AND HE WAS CALLED THE FRIEND OF GOD.

John 15:!5
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I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.

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Even your understanding of basic biblical doctrine is wrong & u wan to touch on other subjects?  doh.gif
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1. doctrine leads to death. remember fruit of knowledge goods and evil ?
2. you ignored the fact we are friend of GOD, and act like a servant. It's your right to be a servant. But for luffy's father issues, my approach to throne of grace is by faith and GOD's grace, and my identity as friend of GOD.

Thanks for bring this up. I know you are a friend of GOD too thumbup.gif ...




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lets not get ahead of urself. the topic of the day is about whether or not we can still get saved after our death and departure from this world.

we weren't even discussing about prosperity gospel or wateva. Why are u deflecting?

u seem to quote the Bible out of context. do u even understand what 'petition' means?

Here, i'll just keep it short wif 1 verse :

“And as it is appointed for men to DIE ONCE, but after this the judgment …” - Hebrew 9:27

Even your understanding of basic biblical doctrine is wrong & u wan to touch on other subjects?  doh.gif
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this is the summary, as my replies earlier is probably too much details

If we are friend to the judge.... then you know the outcome right ? relationship rules bro thumbup.gif
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lets not get ahead of urself. the topic of the day is about whether or not we can still get saved after our death and departure from this world.

we weren't even discussing about prosperity gospel or wateva. Why are u deflecting?
No one can be saved after death without believing in Jesus Christ. I think that's the foundation of the whole new testament.
If we can pray to God so that everyone can be saved, how good is that but unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. This is why we have to share the gospel before the person leave us.

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Only God knows our heart whether we truly believe in him. Judging is not right as well, but its good that we seek the truth in the bible, as that will delight God the most. Whether you are a pastor or a preacher, everything is back to the bible. Many Christians nowadays saying "My pastor says this, my pastor says that", that church preaching that, my father told me ..., instead of according to the bible, this and that.

As for the poor/poverty gospel issue, I'm just picking of two verses from Matthew.

Matthew 19:21
"If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Matthew 19:23
"Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Does cherry picking the two verses shows that we have to be poor?

In b4 someone quoted me "Onomatopoeia says we have to be poor to be a christian"

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2 Corinthians 3:18(NIV) - And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.


Someone I know, asked me recently. I did something wrong. I don't know why I did it. I felt guilty before God.
Deep down inside, I guess there is a cry, How do I stop falling short of God's expectation as Christians?

We all want to live Godly lives, exhibiting right living with the fruits of the Holy Spirit so that when people see our actions, they can say you're different from the world and God gets the Glory.

I believe we need to understand foundational principals before proceeding from here. It will help us to be strongly rooted everytime the storm comes.

First let us established that we are literally made righteous by Faith in Christ, understanding Christ's work qualifies you, not your works or effort.
Next we need to understand, That if we put ourselves under the Law of the OT, whether consciously or subconsciously, just like the law of gravity, it will drive us to sin.
With that being said, we need to consciously be established under the covenant of God's Grace, why? Because only under the soil of Grace, Sin loses it's grip and hold. (Romans 6:14)
Did you hear that?

Do you understand this foundation principals? Please take time to digest before moving on to read because these foundation are very important to remember.

Now, with that being said, knowing all these is not enough. What then? Do I pray everyday to be changed?
How come I've prayed tons of prayer and I'm still not changed? I still exhibit part of my old self. I still get angry, I raged, I this and that.

Transformation involves our part and God's part. Predominantly God is the one who does the changing. Only He has that power. In of ourselves, we cannot.
So what is our part?

Here is it is.

Bible says that we are transformed by the renewing of our mind. (Romans 12:2) Renewing of mind means, change in thought. In the Greek, metanoya which is repentance.
This is where everything starts. You do this right, the result will be right.

Traditionally, some preacher teaches that repentance is changing our wrong act to righteous act by feeling remorseful over sin. The more remorse you are, the more truer your repentance. No wonder many Christians are not transformed because that is not what the Bible teaches. That sort of repentance I will go as far to say, is the teaching of Man, not God.

So what do we change our mind with? What is there to change?

2 Corinthians 3:18 says it like this - And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

What it means is that when we contemplate (our thoughts) on the Lord's Glory, we are transformed into God's image. We will exhibit God's character, which are all the fruits of the Holy Spirit. Only in God, there is power to change, there is hope. But UW, what is the Lord's Glory?

In the Greek, The word Glory is doxa, the very first definition means; opinion (always good). The rest of the definition followed by: praise, honor, glory divine quality of God.
The very first definition is the key. What's my basis for saying this? Acts 20:21 (KJV) - Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 20:21 is the basis for this definition. Repentance (Change of mind) Toward God, meaning for God, not against God.In simple words, have a good opinion of God.

Contemplate on our Lord Jesus Christ's Glory for example: When Peter was motion to come by our Lord Jesus Christ, He walked on the water. I believe his eyes was on the Lord Jesus Christ, He was momentarily transformed into the same image, exhibiting the supernatural. But when Peter look at the boisterous winds, His eye no longer on our Lord Jesus, he sank. There is a lesson in that story.

This is our every battle. Instead of focusing on our failures, or how much wrong you have committed thus far, contemplate on our Lord's Glory. Fight this everyday against every other thoughts even in the midst of your failures. I'll close this devotion with this last verse.

2 Corinthians 3:17 (NIV) - Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

We are are being transformed into his image by beholding the Lord's Glory.

God Bless.

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No one can be saved after death without believing in Jesus Christ. I think that's the foundation of the whole new testament.
If we can pray to God so that everyone can be saved, how good is that but unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. This is why we have to share the gospel before the person leave us.

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instead of disrespecting man of GOD and bring curse to your self ?

why don't you pray and fast so anything that's not from heavenly father will be removed ?

don't tell me you don't believe in power of prayer

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apart from 2015 being a SHEMITAH year, the YEAR OF THE JUBILEE follows suit after that. thumbup.gif

The year before a Jubilee is always a Shemitah year in Jewish law.

Soon after, the beginning of the YEAR OF THE JUBILEE begins on the DAY OF ATONEMENT as well! What a coincidence! thumbup.gif

Just to let u knw, Yom Kippur begins on Sept 23rd 2015 rclxm9.gif The coming Jubilee year is extra special.

Do u also knw, that there will have been 40 complete Jubilee cycles following Christ’s death? Cool huh? icon_rolleyes.gif

For your info, 40 is a significant number in the Bible.

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Jul 28 2015, 08:00 PM)
instead of disrespecting man of GOD and bring curse to your self ?

why don't you pray and fast so anything that's not from heavenly father will be removed ?

don't tell me you don't believe in power of prayer
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Well, there is power in prayer but I am sure they are certain extent because we are limited, but our God is limitless. Let me ask you a few questions:

1. Can I pray once that Holy spirit will pray on behalf of us, so that we don't have to pray anymore?
2. Since pastor is praying for us why do we still have to pray?
3. Since God knows everything, why do we have to pray?

If we start to exercise our logic, instead of faith and truth, in the end we can form our own beliefs. I am not saying who is right and wrong, and whether we pray for the death that he will receive salvation is impossible, because I am not God. No one knows whether those are saved will go to Heaven anyways. Through salvation and belief in Jesus, how sure we are we will have eternal life?

In summary, God wants everyone to be saved too.

1 Timothy 2:3-4
This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

The keyword is "The truth", which I believe is referring to the bible.
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QUOTE(onomatopoeia @ Jul 29 2015, 09:39 AM)
Well, there is power in prayer but I am sure they are certain extent because we are limited, but our God is limitless. Let me ask you a few questions:

1. Can I pray once that Holy spirit will pray on behalf of us, so that we don't have to pray anymore?
2. Since pastor is praying for us why do we still have to pray?
3. Since God knows everything, why do we have to pray?

If we start to exercise our logic, instead of faith and truth, in the end we can form our own beliefs. I am not saying who is right and wrong, and whether we pray for the death that he will receive salvation is impossible, because I am not God. No one knows whether those are saved will go to Heaven anyways. Through salvation and belief in Jesus, how sure we are we will have eternal life?

In summary, God wants everyone to be saved too.

1 Timothy 2:3-4
This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

The keyword is "The truth", which I believe is referring to the bible.
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the bible say clearly old wine and new wine cannot be mixed.

if you are from traditional church, you can't understand my teachings, and my answers are considered trolling (proven already above).

who am i ? take a look at my signature.
next question ? who are you ? are you pentecostal ?

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Matthew 5:17(NIV) -“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.


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The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Some Christians and even Moslems for that matter love to quote this verse above and say; "See? Jesus says you must obey the Law, He's upholding back the the Old Covenant Laws of God as a measure of justification for Righteousness." And people say, you must follow what Jesus does or say. (WWJD)

Both statements are correct, only that you didn't understand why Jesus said that.

Jesus also said that if you look in lust towards someone in your mind, it's better for you to pluck out your eyes than burn in Hell. Secretly in your heart, you'll start to fall back thinking,"Oh God is just saying that to show how serious it is, But seriously, I don't think I will pluck out my eyes, God is graceful" I need my eyes for my studies, for my work, to help my parent, etc. Well? have you obeyed Jesus to the letter to have plucked your eye? Chop off your hands or your feet? Why only confess with your mouth "We must obey" but you did not execute this in reality?

This the problem with Man's way of thinking. We want everything to our preference. We say one thing to squash others out of self righteousness but back off when the Gun is pointed back at you.

Dear Friends, read carefully what Jesus really said in the entire context, for whom and why. I appeal to your spiritual judgement to think in Wisdom patiently rather than do a sweeping generalization by reading it at face value.

Jesus says: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Jesus came to Fulfilled the Laws of God. Full stop. Jesus can and did. What about you?

Even the best of the OT, King David, God entitled Him a Man after his own heart, failed (Lusted with Beersheba, Murdered the husband, etc). Abraham God calls Him a Friend of God (what a titled) Failed (Lied Twice to save his own life). An older Christian brother once argued with me saying that it's the hypocrisy of the pharisee that we must not follow, then when we obey the 10 commandment, our righteousness will surpass the pharisees. But there is a problem with that statement. Has anyone been able to?

People tell me, that God is merciful and graceful, sure nobody is perfect, we may sin here and there but If we keep trying to uphold the law, we can sin less with the help of the Holy Spirit and based on God's Grace as how you (UW) teached, sure we have hope. The problem with this doctrine of "who sin less have more hope of entering heaven" is not found in the Bible. Did you just hear what I have just said? I find that many Christians are in denial of this. They pretend not to accept this or know this in detail. God does not differentiate the degree, who sin less or who sin more.

James magnified this even better: For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. That is God's Standard, Dear Friends. You Either Sin or you Don't. There is no such thing as those who sin less God is more happy or favourable to give him the Grace of Salvation compared to those who sin mored as Christians. No SUCH Doctrine!

NO! Read what Jesus said carefully.

20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Jesus said: CERTAINLY NOT! The word Certainly not in the Greek is Ou mē which means NEVER EVER! It's a double assurance of NEVER!

Wow, Jesus was sure very serious with this statement, wasn't he? My answer is Yes. If you study the Bible, you'll notice a pattern. Jesus also said other interesting things;

Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.

"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple.

"Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Jesus was really raising the Standard of the Bar Here, wasn't he?

Has anyone gave up all He has and followed Jesus? Gave up every RM in his bank account. But UW, surely this is a figure of speech, wasn't it? Jesus can't be serious right? I mean how am I going to eat my lunch then? What Am I going to wear then? I'll tell you go by Faith then, God will provide wat. Matthew 5:25-34 promised that wat. Well? Have you done it? Those who shout so much about "We must uphold the Law" Have you obeyed this to the letter?

If you're unable to do any of those perfectly, just admit it in all honesty. Because this is the reason why Jesus gave the law. He wants us to come to the end of ourselves and say this

Matthew 19:25 - When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"

The answer is here

Matthew 19:26 - Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

The Answer is "ONLY God" None of you.

God Bless.

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hi bro 2malaysia,

apart from 2015 being a SHEMITAH year, the YEAR OF THE JUBILEE follows suit after that.  thumbup.gif

The year before a Jubilee is always a Shemitah year in Jewish law.

Soon after, the beginning of the YEAR OF THE JUBILEE begins on the DAY OF ATONEMENT as well! What a coincidence!  thumbup.gif

Just to let u knw, Yom Kippur begins on Sept 23rd 2015   rclxm9.gif  The coming Jubilee year is extra special.

Do u also knw, that there will have been 40 complete Jubilee cycles following Christ’s death? Cool huh?  icon_rolleyes.gif

For your info, 40 is a significant number in the Bible.
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Key words :Shemitah/Year of the Jubilee/Day of Atonement/40complete Jubilee cycles after Christ death/23th Sep 2015

And even the Managing Director of IMF Christine Lagarde ride on these belief in 2014 by predicting something big on 27th July 2015

Watch Occult Message in Speech by Christine Lagarde of IMF



Christine Lagarde hinted,

100 years since WW1
70 years since Bretton Woods
25 years since fall of the Berlin wall
7 years since the financial market jeitters

which she hinted something big going to happened on 27th July 2015. Guess with
the date just past 2 days ago and there is no financial crisis and end of the world.

As Buddhist I always find it quite a story by some christians who read the book of revelation and give some correlation to past events
that are all related. Like the especially small words written in any financial products, "The past performance would not guarantee
future performance in any similar manner" or hintsight is always 20/20


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the bible say clearly old wine and new wine cannot be mixed.

if you are from traditional church, you can't understand my teachings, and my answers are considered trolling (proven already above).

who am i ? take a look at my signature.
next question ? who are you ? are you pentecostal ?
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Yes. The Gospel and the law shouldn't be mixed because we are saved by grace through faith and not under the law anymore. I'm from Planetshakers church, affiliated with the Assemblies of God and yes, its a Pentecostal church.

I didn't realize you were teaching, if you are teaching that's good because I am sure you can answer the questions I raised. Why do we still need to pray since God knows everything.
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QUOTE(onomatopoeia @ Jul 29 2015, 01:53 PM)
Yes. The Gospel and the law shouldn't be mixed because we are saved by grace through faith and not under the law anymore. I'm from Planetshakers church, affiliated with the Assemblies of God and yes, its a Pentecostal church.

I didn't realize you were teaching, if you are teaching that's good because I am sure you can answer the questions I raised. Why do we still need to pray since God knows everything.
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finally i can get a relieved little bit lol...

I am not a teacher nor fulltimer smile.gif. But i use GOD's grace a lot especially in business, when grey areas are real. Things like preacher say always no, no and don't want to hear, makes me have to ask HS (holy spirit) myself to resolve day to day issues.

At the end i learned a lot thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(2malaysia @ Jul 29 2015, 01:44 PM)
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which she hinted something big going to happened on 27th July 2015. Guess with
the date just past 2 days ago and there is no financial crisis and end of the world.

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As Buddhist I always find...

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that's because the church intercede.

Things that even the most christian does not understand, so i don't expecct budhist to understand either biggrin.gif

e.g.

if church hears something bad will happen next month, we intercede that GOD will intervene to turn into good.
if church hears something good will happen next month, we intercede to break devil's plan, so GOD's plan will prosper.

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Don't throw your pearls. biggrin.gif



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Closer Than Many Think

By Daymond Duck

As I began to pray and think about what to write, my mind quickly turned to the many things that have hit the news very recently. Obviously there are many scoffers walking after their own lusts, church members and non-church members who question the promise of His coming (II Pet. 3:3-4).

But when it comes to relating current events to Bible prophecy they have a veil over their minds and they are blind to what is going on (II Cor. 3:12-16).

Concerning the battle of Gog and Magog, the P5 + 1 agreement with Iran could result in a war that will change the world (Ezek. 38-39). With the negotiations dragging on through missed deadlines and overtime sessions on July 5, 2015 it was reported that the IDF has appointed a special team to plan for a potential Israeli strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities if an attack is needed.

According to the report, Israel believed a planning team was needed at that time because the P5 +1 were close to signing an agreement that would require an Israeli military attack.

Indeed, an agreement was signed that lets Iran get a nuclear bomb in the next 3 months to 10 years depending upon whether the Mullahs keep the agreement or not; lets Iran sell oil to acquire money that can be used to strengthen its military and fund terrorism; requires Israel, the EU and others to have anti-missile systems to defend against Iranian nuclear missiles, etc.

Almost immediately, Israel’s Prime Minister Netanyahu said Israel won’t be bound by that agreement. Support for a war with Iran surged in Israel and Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia said it would wreak havoc in the already destabilized Middle East.

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Many pundits can’t understand why Pres. Obama would agree to what some are calling an insane document, but it occurs to this writer that he may be deliberately trying to destabilize the Middle East to create a crisis that will allow Globalists to bring in their cherished New World Order (world government).

Concerning the North American Union (perhaps one of the Ten Regions headed up by the Ten Kings), on July 10, 2015 it was reported that Rush Limbaugh spoke out on the controversy surrounding Donald Trump’s quest for the Republican nomination for president of the U.S.

Mr. Trump has drawn strong criticism over his opposition to sanctuary cities and the failure of government officials to deport Hispanic illegal alien criminals. Mr. Limbaugh believes the root cause of this criticism is the Globalist fear that Mr. Trump could upset the Globalist plan to surrender the sovereignty of the U.S. by merging Canada, Mexico and the U.S. into a North American Union.

According to the Bible, the rise of the Ten Kings is a prerequisite to the rise of the Antichrist (Dan. 7:8). We can look for the Confederate flag to be replaced with the American flag and that to be replaced with the NAU flag.

Concerning the division of Israel, on July 9, 2015 it was reported that the re-established Jewish Sanhedrin has threatened to put Pope Francis on trial if he doesn’t apologize for misinterpreting Bible prophecy shakehead.gif , not recognizing that God gave the Promised Land to Israel forever (Gen. 17:7-8), saying God has replaced Israel (a false doctrine called Replacement Theology) and officially recognizing the State of Palestine.

The Sanhedrin has accused the Pope of blatant anti-Semitism and it is very upset over his decision to recognize a State of Palestine which would require the division of Israel, and the removal of Jews. It is the main reason why God will drag the nations into the battle of Armageddon (Joel 3:2).

Concerning the rebuilding of the Temple, on July 12, 2015 it was reported that the Temple Institute has started a “Raise a Red Heifer in Israel Fund.” According to the Bible, a third Temple must be built in Israel before the middle of the Tribulation period (Dan. 9:27; Matt. 24:15-16; II Thess. 2:3-4; Rev. 11:1).

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Priests who build this third Temple and all who serve there must first be cleansed with water of separation containing the ashes of a sacrificed unblemished three-year old red heifer (Num. 19). So the Temple Institute has started a fund to produce and care for a red heifer without spot and blemish in Israel, which they see as a prerequisite for the building of the third Temple.

Concerning the coming economic collapse, in addition to the Greek default, Puerto Rico’s problems and the 30%+ decline in China’s stock market, on July 15, 2015 it was reported that Texas will soon establish a bank called the Texas Bullion Depository. Customers will be allowed to store precious metals (gold, silver, etc.) there and it will be protected from seizure by our broke U.S. government.

It has been an exciting 10 days and there is a lot more that can’t be covered or this article will be too long. Just know that Bible prophecy is advancing very fast and our going home may be closer than many think.



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Don't understand why you go and tag a Buddhist?

It's not like he's going to believe Bible prophecy or there's this thing going on between you and him? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 29 2015, 10:17 PM)
Don't understand why you go and tag a Buddhist?

It's not like he's going to believe Bible prophecy or there's this thing going on between you and him?  laugh.gif
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Why did Jesus gave the Law? Part 2

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Matthew 7:21(NIV) -"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."


This portion of scripture above is another favourite "misquoted out of context" by christians who belong to the older brother of the prodigal son.
Who is the older brother of the prodigal son?

If you read the Prodigal Son story, you'll find that He is the one who don't likes it when the Father throws a party to celebrate his lost son return. They want everything to be dead serious with God. If possible, jealously separating God on a high pedestal trying to stand in the way of God's children whom may have not been as obedient as he has.

Luke 15:29 (NIV) - But he answered his father, 'Look! All these years I've been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends.

Look at the scorn. Some Christians are like that.

This older brother has an erroneous perception of who God is. Look at the way He responds to a loving Father in Luke 15:29. He does not have a "Doxa" Perception of the Father. Doxa is the Greek word for Glory and in my last devotion, I've showed you, the very first definition of Glory is Having a Good Opinion of God.

This older brother thinks that God wants him to have a slave or servant mentality. In other word, it's a form of self righteousness trying to earn a place before God.
But UW, how can you say that? When you have a Slave/Servant mentality before God, in other words, you are trying to please God by your performance.

A servant is like that. A Son inherits effortlessly. I believe when this older brother spoke in such a manner, the father was hurt in the heart because this son did not have a good opinion of God.
He see Him as someone separated that needs to be appeased.

And there are many christians like that today. They'll use scripture like above (Matthew 7:21) trying to separate many prodigal sons from coming close to God. Do you know why? Because they themselves feels separated from God. I believe, all that I have learned is not for me to be kept inside but to be shared to help draw every sinners, the lost, the lame, the gays, the ungodly, etc near to God.

This message is for you if you are confuse to the revelation of difficult bible verse. Today I will debunk this and lay it to rest once and for all.

Read the Text carefully.

Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

When Jesus spoke this at the mount of beatitude, I believe many Jews was present. You must understand that when Christ spoke, some of the word was meant for the Jews who are steep in Judaism. God's word is not bound by time. It was for the crowd back then and also for certain crowd Today. Why did Christ gave this "condition", Not everyone who calls him Lord Lord will be saved? If you look at the following verse, " ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?"

All these speaks of the work of the kingdom. But is that the condition to enter Heaven? Oh you didn't hear me. You who shouts so loud wanting to uphold the Law so much,

Is that the condition to enter Heaven?

Lord Have I not done this for you? They are counting on a form of self righteousness just like the older brother of the prodigal son. I have done this for you therefore I qualify.
What was Jesus answer?

I never knew you. Why?

The answer is this. "only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven will enter Heaven". Before you think that the word "does the will of the Father" means upholding the Law, think again. The right question to ask is; what is the will of the Father?

Answer is here:

John 6:40 (NIV): For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."

Again this points back to Grace (Jesus Christ) and not the Law. smile.gif

Hallelujah! rclxm9.gif

God Bless.

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 30 2015, 09:34 AM)
Bible Devotions with UW

Why did Jesus gave the Law? Part 2
This portion of scripture above is another favourite "misquoted out of context" by christians who belong to the older brother of the prodigal son.
Who is the older brother of the prodigal son?

If you read the Prodigal Son story, you'll find that He is the one who don't likes it when the Father throws a party to celebrate his lost son return. They want everything to be dead serious with God. If possible, jealously separating God on a high pedestal trying to stand in the way of God's children whom may have not been as obedient as he has.

Luke 15:29 (NIV) - But he answered his father, 'Look! All these years I've been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends.

Look at the scorn. Some Christians are like that.

This older brother has an erroneous perception of who God is. Look at the way He responds to a loving Father in Luke 15:29. He does not have a "Doxa" Perception of the Father. Doxa is the Greek word for Glory and in my last devotion, I've showed you, the very first definition of Glory is Having a Good Opinion of God.

This older brother thinks that God wants him to have a slave or servant mentality. In other word, it's a form of self righteousness trying to earn a place before God.
But UW, how can you say that? When you have a Slave/Servant mentality before God, in other words, you are trying to please God by your performance.

A servant is like that. A Son inherits effortlessly. I believe when this older brother spoke in such a manner, the father was hurt in the heart because this son did not have a good opinion of God.
He see Him as someone separated that needs to be appeased. 
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Depends on which verses you read...
slave mentality is still stressed;
1 peter 2
13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor.



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And there are many christians like that today. They'll use scripture like above (Matthew 7:21) trying to separate many prodigal sons from coming close to God. Do you know why? Because they themselves feels separated from God. I believe, all that I have learned is not for me to be kept inside but to be shared to help draw every sinners, the lost, the lame, the gays, the ungodly, etc near to God.

This message is for you if you are confuse to the revelation of difficult bible verse. Today I will debunk this and lay it to rest once and for all.

Read the Text carefully.

Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

When Jesus spoke this at the mount of beatitude, I believe many Jews was present. You must understand that when Christ spoke, some of the word was meant for the Jews who are steep in Judaism. God's word is not bound by time. It was for the crowd back then and also for certain crowd Today. Why did Christ gave this "condition", Not everyone who calls him Lord Lord will be saved? If you look at the following verse, " ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?"

All these speaks of the work of the kingdom. But is that the condition to enter Heaven? Oh you didn't hear me. You who shouts so loud wanting to uphold the Law so much,

Is that the condition to enter Heaven?

Lord Have I not done this for you? They are counting on a form of self righteousness just like the older brother of the prodigal son. I have done this for you therefore I qualify.
What was Jesus answer?

I never knew you.  Why?

The answer is this. "only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven will enter Heaven". Before you think that the word "does the will of the Father" means upholding the Law, think again. The right question to ask is; what is the will of the Father?

Answer is here:

John 6:40 (NIV): For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."

Again this points back to Grace (Jesus Christ) and not the Law.  smile.gif

Hallelujah!  rclxm9.gif

God Bless.
Specifically, it is the civil and ceremonial laws that have been overwrite by grace whereas the moral law should be reinforced;
Galatians 5:13-14
13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”


Matthew 7 further reads;
24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

It says "practice"...

And here is the second half of God's will;
1 Thessalonians 4:3-7
3 It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; 4 that each of you should learn to control your own body[a] in a way that is holy and honorable, 5 not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God; 6 and that in this matter no one should wrong or take advantage of a brother or sister.[cool.gif The Lord will punish all those who commit such sins, as we told you and warned you before. 7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. 8 Therefore, anyone who rejects this instruction does not reject a human being but God, the very God who gives you his Holy Spirit.

Hebrews 12:14
14 Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.



Hence in conclusion, depends on which verses you read, Christian salvation can be as hard as other religion.





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