If you do not pray, you will certainly fall. Since you are in JB, there's the Church of the Immaculate Conception http://www.cicjb.org/.

Start with a good general confession.

http://www.catholicstand.com/general-confe...oor-satan-lent/

I'm sure the priest will be more than happy to assist you if you have any difficulties or questions.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Jun 30 2015, 10:22 AM

How can a Christian support abortion?

We can certainly judge based on external acts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_policy...d_contraception

What I read from you is...fine, he allowed murder, but also tries to reduce murder if possible. Absolutely amazing.

Actually Martin Luther also considered contraception as wrong. Here's from a Lutheran:

http://bound4life.com/history-of-contracep...testant-church/

It was only much later that Protestants slowly started to accept contraception, and now divorce, and now gay 'marriage' and so on and so forth.

What then do you constitute as a human person? Immediately after birth? 7 weeks? 3 months? 6 months?

I think you should be aware that it is not only Catholics who are against abortion. Of course it is a shame to say also, that there are many so-called Catholic politicians who supports abortion. This is the mystery of iniquity and salvation, where even among the 12 apostles, there was one who betrayed Jesus. Even non-Christian religions consider abortion a very grave crime.

Good for you, but there are many flavours in Protestantism. So I'm not sure which flavour is yours. If yours is against divorce, gay 'marriage', and so on, that's a good thing to hear.

I'm not picking on Martin Luther but just gave you reference that even he (whom many will consider as the Father of Protestantism), also rejected contraception, so I don't understand why are you saying that I'm picking on him.

"Those who accepts divorce and gay marriage are not Christians. Same as Catholics priests who commit "sins" are not Christians."

So what say you about those who accept abortion?

This post has been edited by yeeck: Jul 1 2015, 11:50 PM

Ask Martin Luther?

Wow....I'm amazed you did not know the answer to your own question.

Ever heard of Caesarian?

Let me give a better example of what I think you are trying to argue.

A pregnant mother with a tumour is faced between having the possible death of the child in the womb for the process of removing the tumour. In such situations, the intention is to remove the tumour, but may indirectly cause the death of the child. So the intention is to save the mother's life, not to kill the child. The principle here is direct killing of the foetus is unacceptable, but treatment to cure the mother should be given even if it would indirectly result in the death of the foetus. The abortion cases I'm talking about is always about the wholesale, free-and-easy type of abortion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers

How do you determine that the mental state of the mother is made better by killing the child? Even if she couldn't bring up the child, there is always the option for adoption.

No, not at all generalizing.. only to one poster here who supports abortion.

I only mention what I see. Sorry, but being politically-correct is not really my forte.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Jul 2 2015, 02:16 PM

Free-and-easy kind of abortions should never be tolerated by any Christian. I get even more shocked when the goalpost seems to be shifted from determining when an unborn child is considered to have life, and mental-state. Anyway, the lines have been drawn. If that is what you hold on to, I have nothing further to say here.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Jul 2 2015, 03:46 PM