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post Jun 5 2015, 11:40 AM, updated 10y ago

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Welcome to V10, dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

As in the spirit of V9 before, we are practicing to fellowship with one other as blood-washed, born-again, Spirit-filled Christians because we seek to give testimony to the unity of the Body of Christ. We welcome all believers, and we seek fellowship with them as our brothers and sisters in Christ. It is our sincere and earnest desire that the Lord's testimony on this earth may be spread and greatly strengthened in order that His Bride may be prepared for His soon return. May the Lord honor and vindicate His own work on this earth in these days.

As such, may the maxim holds true, "In essential unity, in non-essential liberty, and in all things charity".

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Few simple RULES to follow in our fellowship thread.

1. No flaming/troll post please. Let's keep this fellowship thread clean, positive and encouraging, as the purpose is more for believers of Christ.
2. Do not argue about other religions please. People of other Faith are welcome to ask and enquire genuine questions or out of curiosity about Christianity.
3. What's discussed in here, stays in here.

Previous Threads
V09
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3485130
V08
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3393815
V07
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3197598
V06
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...&t=2621686&st=0
V05
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1758395

Good links to share:
http://www.opensong.org/

Opensong!!! It uses your WinXP's extended screen on the projector. So you have your controls in your laptop, and the screen on the projector. It also supports Chinese, and has songs packs and bible verses too, so you can project those verses on screen.

http://www.guitar4christ.com
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/
a database of chords and lyrics for christian songs.

GodTV

http://www.god.tv/
Online Bibles!
English Bible (with multi lingual): http://www.biblegateway.com/

Indonesian/Malay Bible: http://alkitab.otak.info/

Arabic Bible: http://www.arabicbible.com/bible/doc_bible.htm
Dear Christians, please do let us know about u, like denominations, which church u r from and where is ur church located. Oh, beside that, do let us know what position are u holding in ur church, as in.. hmm pianist ? choral singer ? or even Pastor. tongue.gif

LYN Christ Followers List:
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(Please type in this template [so its easier for me to edit the list]: Username - Denomination | Church | Area Serve-in)
Either PM me or post to notify. But if after u've posted in this thread and I havent add u in the list, please PM me to notify me. Thanks. smile.gif

Christian Bookshops:
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post Jun 7 2015, 01:38 PM

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Christ did not come only for redemption

Christ did not come only for redemption. In the Gospel of John 10:10, the Lord Himself says: "I have come that they may have life and may have it abundantly." This was the further purpose of Christ's coming.

The first chapter tells us that in the beginning Christ was the very God, but He became flesh to be the Lamb of God to redeem us. However, redemption is not the goal. It is only a procedure for the goal.

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The goal is that we may have life. For this purpose, Christ took two steps. The first step was to become flesh so that He might be the Lamb of God for redemption, but since He could not be life to us simply as the Lamb of God in the flesh, there was the need of another step. After accomplishing redemption, He took the further step to become the Spirit who gives life (1 Cor. 15:45b; 2 Cor. 3:6, 17).


How could Christ give us life and be life to us? It is by means of another step. After being crucified, He was laid in a tomb, and then He resurrected from the dead. In this resurrection He became something else. In His incarnation as God, He became flesh, but now in His resurrection as a man, He became the life-giving Spirit.

First Corinthians 15:45b says, "The last Adam became a life-giving Spirit." We should not only underline this passage but also highlight it and circle it.

This verse is vital, living, and basic. It is of great importance, but it has been missed by most Christians today. The last Adam, who is Christ in the flesh as a man, became a life-giving Spirit. This is the Spirit who gives life. Thus, we have the two steps which Christ took, incarnation and resurrection.
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post Jun 9 2015, 05:48 PM

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THE LORD'S GOING FOR HIS COMING BACK TO THE DISCIPLES AS THE SPIRIT

Chapter 14 is the turning point of the Gospel of John. At the beginning of this chapter the Lord surprised the disciples by telling them that He was about to leave them. The disciples were greatly disappointed at the thought of losing the Lord. Then the Lord told them the truth, the fact, that His going would be not a loss to them but a gain. His going was not His leaving but His coming back; His going was His coming.

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Verses 16 through 20 say, “And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, that He may be with you forever, even the Spirit of reality, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him; but you know Him, because He abides with you and shall be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I am coming to you. Yet a little while and the world beholds Me no longer, but you behold Me; because I live, you also shall live. In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.”


In verse 17 the Lord Jesus said that the Spirit of reality would be with the disciples, and then in verse 18 he said, “I am coming to you.” While He was speaking, He was already coming. His going was His coming. The day of His coming would be the day of resurrection (v. 20). It is as if the Lord were saying, “There is no need for you to worry. You should be happy. I am leaving, but I am coming. Moreover, My coming is to come into you. Now I am in the flesh; for that reason, I can only be among you. As long as I am in the flesh, I can never be in you. Therefore, I need to be transfigured from the flesh into the Spirit. I need to have a change in form. Through death and resurrection I will be transfigured, changed in form from the flesh into the Spirit.” It was in this way, by death and resurrection, that Christ became the life-giving Spirit.

After Christ was resurrected from the dead, and on the day of resurrection He came back to the disciples in a very mysterious way. On that evening the doors were shut in the house where the disciples were for fear of the Jews, but suddenly Christ was among them. Even though no one opened the door, He came into the room and told His disciples to touch His resurrected body. He came back in this mysterious way in order to do one thing, that is, to breathe Himself into the disciples.

He breathed into the disciples and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.” Spirit in Greek is pneuma, which also means “breath.” At that time He was the Holy Breath for His disciples to breathe. It was in this way that Christ came into the disciples. In the Gospel of John there is no record of Christ’s ascension to the heavens. From that time on He was continually in the disciples as the Spirit, the Holy Breath.
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post Jun 13 2015, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 11 2015, 08:21 PM)
It saddened me that humans have almost ruined God's beautiful creations by our pursuit of greed, happiness, wealth, etc

To the destructions of mother nature, weird weather phenomenon, etc...

But what did the Bible says about new heaven and earth in Revelations? God will restore back everything right?

Oh yeah Poltergeist... shocking.gif
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Yeah. So, those who bring the Lord back is the true ecologist tongue.gif
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post Jun 14 2015, 08:40 AM

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CHRIST AS THE ALL-INCLUSIVE SPIRIT BEING THE SPIRIT THAT WAS FROM THE BEGINNING WITH FURTHER ELEMENTS ADDED TO HIM


From the beginning, Christ was God, and God is Spirit. Then God as Spirit became a man to die on the cross to bear our sins and accomplish redemption. After this, He was resurrected, and in and by resurrection He became the life-giving Spirit.

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What then is the difference between the Spirit that was from the beginning and the life-giving Spirit? Are they two Spirits or one?


We may illustrate the answer in the following way. Originally, I may have a cup of plain water, but if I gradually pour some juice into it, followed by some milk, tea, honey, and a little salt, eventually I will have a wonderful drink. It is still the water I had originally, but now there is a difference. At first it was purely, plainly, and uniquely water. Now it is still water but with certain elements added to it. Christ as Spirit in eternity was the “plain water,” but the life-giving Spirit has further elements added to Him, including incarnation, crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension.

The life-giving Spirit is still the original Spirit, but many wonderful elements have been added to Him (c.f. John 7:39). Without crucifixion, redemption, resurrection, and ascension the original Spirit could not come into man. It was not until Christ accomplished redemption, passing through incarnation, crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension that He came into man. How wonderful this is! Now Christ as God is the all-inclusive Spirit with redemption, incarnation, crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension.

Christ as the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit with many wonderful elements added to Him. This is the Spirit in the book of Acts who was spreading to produce the Body of Christ. In the Acts this wonderful Spirit is no longer only the Spirit of God. Acts 16:6-7 says, “And they passed through the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia. And when they had come to Mysia, they tried to go into Bithynia, yet the Spirit of Jesus did not allow them.” In the Acts the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, has become the Spirit of Jesus, who is Christ Himself. It is through the spreading of this wonderful all-inclusive Spirit that the church, the Body of Christ, came into existence.

We need a new understanding, comprehension, and view of all the matters in the book of Acts. What is taking place in this book is the spreading of Jesus as the wonderful Spirit to produce the Body of Christ, which is the church. If we consider this book and the churches in the early days with this point of view, we will have a new understanding. This wonderful Christ mingled Himself with many human beings, including Peter, John, James, Paul, Timothy, and thousands of believers in the early days. All the believers in the Acts were joined to Christ and made one with Christ as the Spirit (1 Cor. 6:17)

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post Jun 15 2015, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 14 2015, 05:52 PM)
Why do people desire worldly pleasures more compared to Christian pleasures?

Isn't seeking God give more pleasures?

What is your desire(s) in your own life?

I know I seek pleasures in certain materialistic things.  blush.gif

Aren't we all like that? We have our own sinful pleasures.

So how do we overcome those "sinful and worldly pleasures?"

Psalm 16:11

11 You make known to me the path of life; in your presence there is fullness of joy; at your right hand are pleasures forevermore.
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I will respond in this way:

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Philippians 3:8 says, "On account of the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord."

Second Corinthians 4:7 says, "But we have this treasure in earthen vessels that the excellency of the power may be of God and not out of us."


Excellency here means transcendence or super-eminence.

Here is one testimony which fits your question biggrin.gif

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In January and February of 1937, I went from Shanghai, passing through Hangchow, to Nanking to hold a gospel conference. During that conference, a group of highly educated people came to hear the gospel. One of them was a very modern lady who listened with complete attention to the gospel that I was preaching. After one evening meeting, she came up to the front to see me and said, "Mr. Lee, what you have preached in these past few evenings has touched me very much; I am willing to believe. But I would like to ask you if I can do a certain thing after I have believed in the Lord. If I can do it, then I will certainly believe the gospel which you preach. My believing is totally dependent on your answer to this question." Then she continued, "After believing in the Lord, I will be able to give up anything, but there is one thing that will be very difficult for me to give up. I like to go to the opera. From my youth I went to the opera with my father, and I have become addicted to it. I can give up breathing, but if I cannot go to the opera, then I"ll not be able to live. My husband has also been influenced by me. Now that I have heard you speak about Jesus, you have really persuaded me and made me very willing to believe. But if I believe in the Lord Jesus and cannot go to the opera, what will I do? If you say that I cannot go, then I will not believe. If you say that I can go, then I will believe." This question was certainly a hard one to answer. It so happened that by her side she had a three- or four-year-old child, and the Lord gave me wisdom to answer. I said, "Madam, all children like to play with knives. If your child was playing with a sharp knife and was about to have an accident, what would you do? Would you grab the knife away from him?" She was very clever and immediately thought of the chocolate candy which was so famous in Shanghai and Nanking at that time, so she said, "That is easy; I would scatter pieces of chocolate candy all over the floor, then the child would go to pick up the candy, and in the end he would not want the knife." I said, "Chinese opera is a sharp knife. Without Christ, you have nothing that can satisfy you, so you need to go to the opera. But now I am scattering the pieces of chocolate candy. Do you see? I have lots of "chocolate"; this is Christ. Do not ask me if you can go to the opera, but only believe in Christ and see if He satisfies you to the extent that you will not want other things." She said, "That is very reasonable; I will believe in Him."


Christ is truly far superior to all other things and matters.

The issue is not that we tried very hard not to love the world .... that is being religious ... also hypocritical and will not last.

Rather, have you seen or experience THE transcending, super-eminence, ultimate, CHOCOLATE!! biggrin.gif Then, spontaneously, you will drop the lesser things.

The Christian life is not a matter of cultivating character. The Christian life is a matter of transformation. To be transformed we need a new element. This element is the real and living Lord. In Him God's attributes and the riches of all that God is become the fullness. Furthermore, as the Spirit, the Lord has become our bountiful supply. We need to love Him, fellowship with Him, read His word, pray to Him, and always call on His name, which is to breathe Him in. In this way we receive His element into us. This element will have a metabolic effect within us to transform us.

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post Jun 17 2015, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(wow1wow2 @ Jun 17 2015, 12:40 AM)
i read bible sometimes, there is a phrase like god sent 2 bears to maul 42 children, why?
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Bro, sometimes you have to be more verbose biggrin.gif .... why are you asking this question? Is there a reason? Does it affect your faith? Etc.

Question like this tend to bring people into the mind instead of Christ.

Outwardly, do try not to apply our "modern" morality "glasses" into the readings of the Old Testament. After all, in happens in ANE (Ancient Near East - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Near_East) where anything goes.

The verses above sound very cruel and unnecessary at first glance, but a closer look shows there is a better picture of what was going on.

KJV translation "children". The Hebrew word for children is na`ar. Looking at the usage of the word throughout the Bible, it can be any age from 12-30. The NKJV uses the better translation of youths. So these young men were old enough to be accountable for their actions.

Now if 42 of them had been mauled, how many were there all together? 50,100, more?

Elisha was outnumbered at least 42-1 and they were obviously hostile. We see evidence of this by the fact that they were taunting a prophet. This was clearly some sort of gang or mob. Imagine at least 42 young men in their teens or twenties coming towards you shouting insults.

The behavior of the mob is very odd because if we back up a couple of verses to keep the story in context (vv. 19-22) we find that Elisha had just performed a miracle to cleanse the water supply (hardly the act of a cold hearted man who would kill children), and they responded to this by hurling insults at him. Why would they do that?

There's Jewish historical documentation of certain people making a great profit by supplying fresh water to the town. Elisha had just put them out of business by cleansing the town's current water supply. The mob had then come to confront Elisha.

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But if you apply Elisha to type of Christ, what a marvelous picture!

A. Healing the Bad Water of Jericho

First, Elisha healed the bad water of Jericho (2 Kings 2:19-22). Jericho signifies Satan, and with Satan everything is death, including the water. But the bad water of Jericho was healed according to the word of Elisha and became good water, water that gave life.

The first miracle the Lord Jesus performed in the Gospel of John was the changing of water into wine (2:3-11). The significance of this miracle is the changing of death into life.

B. Calling the Things Not Being as Being

Next, Elisha called the things not being as being (2 Kings 4:1-7, 8-17, 42-44; cf. Matt. 14:14-21; 15:32-39; Rom. 4:17b). In particular, Elisha called things not being as being when he produced many vessels of oil from one vessel. The Lord Jesus did the same thing in principle. In Matthew 14 and 15 He fed multitudes with a few loaves and fishes.

In this matter also Elisha was a type of the Lord Jesus in the New Testament age.

C. Resurrecting the Dead from Death

Elisha also resurrected the dead from death (2 Kings 4:18-37; cf. Heb. 11:35; Luke 7:11-17; John 11:41-44; Rom. 4:17b). The Lord Jesus has resurrected millions of persons, including us (John 5:25).

D. Nullifying the Poison of the Wild Gourds with Flour

When the disciples of Elisha were short of food, they cooked a stew with poisonous gourds. Elisha nullified the poison of the wild gourds with flour (2 Kings 4:38-41). In principle, the Lord Jesus did the same thing for His disciples. He warned them, saying, "Watch and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees" (Matt. 16:6-12), and He healed the disciples with Himself as the fine flour.

E. Healing Leprosy

In 2 Kings 5 Elisha healed a case of leprosy (Luke 4:27). The Lord Jesus did the same thing in His ministry (Matt. 11:5; 8:1-4; Luke 17:11-19).

F. Floating with a Wooden Stick the Ax Head That Had Fallen into the Waters

In 2 Kings 6:1-7 Elisha floated with a wooden stick an ax head that had fallen into the waters. This signifies Christ recovering with His cross, in resurrection, the power of sinners that had fallen into the death water. As sinners, we lost our "ax head," our power, but Christ has recovered this lost power in resurrection with the "wooden stick" of His cross.

G. Cursing the Mocking Boys

In 2 Kings 2:23-24 Elisha cursed the mocking boys to be torn up by two female bears out of the woods. Those who think that the Lord Jesus did not do the same thing in principle need to read the Gospel of Matthew again. Matthew 3:12 says that the wheat will be gathered into the Lord's barn but that He will burn the chaff with unquenchable fire. To be sure, this burning of the chaff is a curse. Furthermore, in Matthew 12:31-32, 34 the Lord Jesus warned the Pharisees concerning an unforgivable sin, the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. In Matthew 23 He spoke eight woes to the scribes and Pharisees. This was His curse to them.

By all of the foregoing we can see that Elisha was a very accurate type of Christ. Elisha changed the age in type, and the Lord Jesus did the same thing in fulfillment. Today we are in the changed age, the age of the fulfillment of God's New Testament economy.
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post Jun 17 2015, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 17 2015, 08:56 AM)
ha I missed this additional part.
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post Jun 27 2015, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jun 26 2015, 03:11 PM)
Unknown Warrior Pehkay

I need some context help.

Hebrew 10:26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

What constitutes as 'deliberately sinning' here? As long humans are humans we're going to carry bad habits and sinful habits to the grave. Because nobody is perfect.

There has to be a bigger context here
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The previous verse 25 is the first context. To sin willfully here means to abandon one's own assembling together with the church.

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The Hebrew believers had been instructed to abandon Judaism and remain under the new covenant. If they had still returned to Judaism, they would have abandoned their own assembling with the church.


This would have constituted a willful sin in the eyes of God, in that it would have been committed after they had received the knowledge of the truth, after they had come to know that God had abandoned Judaism, which was formed according to the old covenant, and had initiated the new and living way of contacting God according to the new covenant.

In the bigger context, what is mentioned in 10:27-31 as a warning does not refer to eternal perdition for the unbelievers but to God's dispensational punishment of His children who do not obey His word. We must be assured that once we have God's salvation, we shall never lose it. However, if we do not care for God's word, we shall be punished. To be punished by God is not to be hated by Him. Rather, it is a sign that God the Father loves us. He disciplines whom He loves, not treating them as bastards but as dear sons. Surely the Father will discipline us.

As our wise Father, He has a just way of dealing with us, His children: He will reward the faithful and obedient ones and punish the unfaithful and disobedient ones. According to most of the teachings, it seems that God only rewards the faithful ones but does not punish the unfaithful. This is not logical. Our Father is much wiser than this.

Two important things are mentioned in chapter 10, the worse punishment (v. 29) and the great reward (v. 35). These two phrases are both heavy and meaningful; they are the keys to this fourth warning. The writer of this epistle was not concerned with our salvation, for according to what he has written, it is eternally secure. The writer has made it quite clear that Christ has offered Himself to put away sin once for all (7:27; 9:26, 28) and that He has obtained for us an eternal salvation (5:9). Having entered once for all into the Holy of Holies, He has found for us an eternal redemption (9:12). The writer knew that our salvation was fully, thoroughly, and completely secure and that we have been saved forever. However, he was very concerned whether his readers would receive a great reward or suffer punishment.

Hope that helps.
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post Jul 2 2015, 11:13 AM

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Hey brothers,

Please do stop with this back and forth on abortion. biggrin.gif This thing is just like unending genealogies which is not helpful.

And yeeck, as much as, we don't comment on your thread, you don't have to generalize or "demonize" us to make a point. That is very unhealthy.

Let's us all just agree to stop here.

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post Jul 2 2015, 05:24 PM

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That is a red herring biggrin.gif
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The Definition of a Priest

The dictionary tells us that a priest is a person who serves God professionally. Most Christians would tell us that a priest is one who serves God. This is right, but what does it mean to serve God? Today’s Christians would answer that to serve God is to work for God. This answer is wrong! To say that a priest is a person who serves God is right, but to say that to serve God is merely to do something for God, is wrong.

Priests are the most normal and proper persons, those who realize that God's plan is to work Himself into a group of people in order that He might be their life and that they might become His expression—1 Pet. 2:5, 9; Rev. 1:6.

The Scriptures reveal that before the ages, in eternity past before the foundation of the world, God had a good pleasure, a heart’s desire (Eph. 1:9). According to His good pleasure, He made a purpose, an intention, to gain His heart’s desire, and He also made a plan to accomplish His purpose (3:11). In this plan He determined to work Himself into a group of people so that He might be their life and they might be His expression (1:5). Based on this divine determination, God created man. Man was destined to receive God, to be filled with God, to be saturated and permeated with God, and even to flow God out, so that he might be the living expression of God (Gen. 1:26; 2:8-10; John 7:37-39; Eph. 3:19; 1:22-23).

Although a priest is a person who serves God, this does not mean that he works for God and does something for God. According to the revelation of the Scriptures, to serve God is to receive God into us, to contact God, and to be filled with God, saturated with God, and permeated with God. Furthermore, to serve God is to flow God out and, in this flow of God, to be built up with others as a corporate expression of God. This is the proper meaning of serving God and of being a priest.

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A priest is  simply a person who is filled with God, one with God, taken over by God, and even possessed by God in a full way and built up with others in the flow of the life of God to be a living, corporate expression of God on earth today. This built-up corporate entity is the priesthood.
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QUOTE(Jerm_vii @ Jul 10 2015, 02:51 PM)
Jerm_vii - Protestant | Worship Team

Hopefully I wrote that right
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Done. Thanks and welcome biggrin.gif
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post Jul 14 2015, 12:43 PM

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Did you stop some kind of caffeine intake?
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jul 23 2015, 03:59 PM)
Dear friends, my father just passed away today in a accident near my house
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My condolences. May the Lord graced and comfort you.
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^^; Eh ... what is this ? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 31 2015, 12:02 AM)
A German who can speak German( rolleyes.gif ), Malay, Japanese, Mandarin, English & no doubt a smattering of French & Italian too  rclxms.gif


If u read up on Daniel's 70th week, there's stil 1 wk left to run. A week is 7 years in Biblical terms.

Something happened at the end of the 69th week.

God's love affair with the apple of his eye, Israel is currently on 'pause' at the moment.

We are currently living in the church age. Once this dispensation ends with the ἁρπάζωharpazo  , God will resume his love affair with His chosen people.


"And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch." - Mark 13:37
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 31 2015, 04:28 PM)
Sorry to interrupt your debate with a prayer request.

This time it's for me.
I've had issues for a while, but I didn't want to trouble anyone. Pride, that I can take care of it myself I guess.

But I had a very disturbing nightmare. Asking for details is difficult since nightmares tend to get pretty vague once you wake up.

It has something to do with my personal feelings. My lack of value.
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Have you try calling "O Lord Jesus!" loudly from your being (spirit)?
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THREE KINDS OF LIVES

First, man is a created being. Later man fell, and he became a fallen being. After he is saved, he becomes a saved person. When man was created, he had the created life. After the fall, he inherited the satanic life. After he is saved, he received God's life.

The human life is created by God, and it is good. Hence, the law within man is good. After man fell, the life he inherited came from the evil one. Hence, the law that came with it is an evil law. After man is saved, the life he received came from God. As a result, the law that came with that life is also of God. Now, man has become a complicated mixture. If I ask who you are, it will be difficult for you to answer. If you ask who I am, it will be difficult for me to answer also. Within me there is God, there is the devil, and there is also man. Within man there are three elements: the element of God, the element of the devil, and the element of man.

The question today is this: By which life are we going to live? Are we going to live by the original life, the satanic evil life, or the life of God? To be a Christian is not to be an evil person, nor to be a good person. The Christian standard is not good or evil. To take good and evil as the standard is to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

THREE KINDS OF GOOD

The Bible mentions three kinds of good. The first kind is the good that was there when man was created. The life that man received at the time of creation was a good life. Hence, the law within that life is also good. The second kind of good is the good of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The life that Satan put within man causes him to sin, on the one hand, and to do good, on the other hand. A fallen man can also be humble. A proud man offends God, but a humble man offends God even more. To honor one's parents is good, but Satan instigates man to oppose God and ignore God through his honoring of his parents. This good therefore comes from the satanic life. The third kind of good is that which is produced by the life of God. This kind of good transcends man's original good. Many people cannot distinguish between these three kinds of good in the New Testament. The good works described in Ephesians 2 are different from the good which one wills to do in Romans 7. The good in Romans 7 refers to the good that was there when we were created. The good works in Ephesians 2 refer to the good that is God's life living through the Christians.

LIVING BY THE TASTE OF GOD'S LIFE

A Christian should not take good itself as the standard. He has to take God's life as the standard. Whether a Christian should or should not do something is based upon whether or not that thing fits his taste. This is like whether or not a man drinks a certain kind of soup having nothing to do with whether or not he is glorifying God; it is a matter of his taste. We must not only exhort others not to beat their wives; we must also ask based on what does a man not beat his wife. A Christian does not smoke, not because smoking will not glorify God, but because smoking is contrary to his taste within.

God's law is written in us, because God's life is within us. Whether or not we like something is based on the law of a taste within us. This law gives us a certain taste. A five-month-old baby cannot write or speak; his mind and reason are not fully developed. He cannot argue with you. But if you put ginger in his mouth, he will not swallow it. You do not have to teach him not to swallow it; it is not a question of mental knowledge, but a question of life-taste. When God created man, He put this law of life within the sense of life already. It is not up to the mind to decide whether a person wants something or not. It is up to the inner sense to decide it. If you put ginger in a baby's mouth, he will not swallow it. But if you put chocolate in his mouth, he will take it and will want more. He may not be able to speak with his mouth. He may not even be able to distinguish clearly with his eyes. But he can tell the difference between good food and food that is not good. This illustration is a most appropriate one.
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post Aug 2 2015, 07:32 AM

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Aug 1 2015, 07:30 PM)
Questions for bible scholars biggrin.gif

I have been advised to stay away from NIV because it deleted some bible verses.

GOD told me to humbly myself and ask scholar in this forum such as pehkay / uw / somebody else who has more biblical expository experiences.

so kindly extend your help and many thanks biggrin.gif, here is below one of the bible verses that NIV removed.

http://www.sound-doctrine.net/VersesDeletedFromNIV.htm

again thanks and be blessed biggrin.gif
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You do realize that it is one of those KJV versus all other translations website. biggrin.gif

The quickest response is here: http://www.gotquestions.org/missing-verses.html

Most older ones have the verses but have footnotes telling us whether it is present in other manuscript etc. etc. I personally like those versions than NIV. But that is just my IMO.

Contrary to what some in the KJV-only camp would have you believe, the NIV translators are not trying to lead you into the lake of fire by deceiving you with false translations. Many of the so-called "missing verses" are referenced in the side-column of your NIV Bible. The only reason they were left out is that the translators of the NIV honestly believed that the evidence was overwhelmingly against those verses being part of the original writing.

(I don't have time to get into the long version of textual criticism tongue.gif) but at least believe me that divine revelation revealed in the text (even though there is 5%-7% variants) is 100% intact.

Just please don't ever try to use this thing as a Christ versus text/context/His Word excuse .... it will be a joke later tongue.gif

Cheers!

P.S. (Don't get me started on some of the wrong translations introduced by KJV which perpetuate some existing wrong doctrines today)

This post has been edited by pehkay: Aug 2 2015, 07:37 AM
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