oo;; Not sure why did you posted from the forum conversation but it seems that Kan misunderstood the word, "continuationism".

go there and educate him champion ... expand your profile and ministry

Duh . I have no such desire to. It is your conversation with him. I am just curious why the post here? What is it that you want to show us?

I don't know. I just listen to GOD, HE wanted me to put here. I think HE has some plan for some of our readers.

you are delusional............claiming to be prophet and god tell you to kill that is not God, that is Satan

armed forces ? tentera kerajaan malaysia ?

Proven everyone is correct about you, you're delusional beyond hope. You better go and have check up at Tanjong Rambutan hospital

my thread survives ...
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry77973387

perhaps you are lacking of miracles ?

good job guys n girls... keep brushing up this kronny... save him from his stupidity...

Survive? got closed down i heard and claiming one self to be prophet And to add, 95% of the posts spammed by you.  

Not very nice to say this bro.

survived:
http://boardreader.com/thread/WWJD_for_mal...8pxkX24k2f.html

There are sites that mirrors / crawls / indexes forums for their own purposes.

For example our thread is also found: http://boardreader.com/s/LYN%20Christian%2...ship%20V10.html

How is this a miracle?

Then you are proving my point to be true. The church is going the wrong direction by telling people to serve to receive their blessing. The church are not pin pointing and addressing what's plaguing their congregation. They are not finding the root cause of the burn out and tiredness the church is facing.

Serving at the church and confessing at altar alone is not going to solve people's problem and iron out their sins.

You know what's the solution to unforgiveness and grudges? Its not by reading the word alone or participating in church work, its putting Jesus's kindness into practice. Like fellowship and edifying one another. What happen to the camaderie, the laughter? the accountability? As what tinararhian said?

But coming back to what you said about principalities. If its really that some of these christians are not receiving their blessings due to grudges and unforgiveness, then how would you explain why we christians, chinese and DAP are receiving all the hatred and abuse from the ruling party and PAS? Is it because we have forgiveness in our hearts that we are facing persecution?

Is this all you can elaborate? Or you only have punch lines? You should ask yourself the same question.

2 Corinthians 3:17 (NIV) - Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Yes thanks for your understanding. This is what De Luffy has been missing my point.

Yesterday I was at church, and Pastor Chris delivered yet another sermon, which makes my eyes roll. He said serving would heal us from our pains. As what you've said, if serving takes our eyes from the problem, then what's differentiate serving from going to the gym and work your body out until you can't lift your hand? Many people go for under distractions, like I know a school friend who is suicidal but he goes to the gym and works very hard to forget his problems, he work so hard, one day, he accidentaly tore his muscle, when he could not go to the gym, his hands were trembling for him to cut his own wrist.

So in the same sense, a dude relying on gym to distract him from his problems, is no different from those guys I know who serve 110% at church to forget about their own problems. The problem is still there, they are just not taking it head on. Not figuring why is there the problem in the first place. As I know one dude at church, he is a socially awkward guy, he speaks openly about jumping down from a high rise building or other means of suicide. But you know what? When the members all hear, nobody took action, just sat there during gathering and ignored him. I reported this to the leadership, they just tell me to not take him seriously. Instead, they think by putting him into serving ministries, will heal him from his problems. Apa ini man? What happen to us lately?

Have we turned into a community of uncaring and uncountable brothers and sisters towards each others?

Then there's that borderline between forgivesness and having a big disagreement with the church?

Does forgiveness mean, being a YES MAN? Become one of them? Just drop all my assertions and believes and values for the sake of being submissive to the leadership of the church? Even though its eating up my soul? Agree with them and shut my mouth?

I had an interesting discussion during bible study 2 years ago, when a long serving christian at a prominent church in Damansara Heights, was part of the treasury committee in charge of funding the new building (apparently in bukit jalil). He told us that he had a big fight with the church, because he felt the church funds wasn't able to fund the new building and the funds could be use better for other ministries such as helping the poor. But everyone at the committee was a YES MAN. They approves the project. And you've read the papers, that church in many years struggled to build that new facility, and put the church into debt. Many years it was delayed. The dude who disagreed with them, left the church. Even today, people question the waste of money use to build this white elephant because they only use the building once a month.

And I haven't even bring up City Harvest.

Somehow at yesterdays sermon, the pastor missed the mark by 1000 miles. Yes I agree with him, the great commission, he wants to expand the church to 15000 people, wants to do church planting and want the church to be a blessing to the unbelievers, want to be a community light house, salt and light of the earth !

But what about looking inward? He talks about church planting and expansion but this cannot be achieve if he keeps on stretching the cell groups. Do you know what he calls the cell group? SMALL GROUP ! Now he's like making our cg size 3 to 7 people. I heard of the saying, WORK HARD and PLAY HARD. What's wrong with having a 20 person cg? Where's the diversity? Where's the comaderie? Instead I having to go to cg meeting every friday night, and only meet up with 3 people sitting at a sofa. It feels more like shrink therapy than a cg session. And you know how the cgs r instructed to conduct the cg session? Every friday, my cg leader would come up with very thought provoking questions aftern the sermon, end up heated debate among the few of us. Then I feel like I am being indoctrinated, 3 vs 1, to come back to the "good" side. I can only say without love, the church won't win the hearts and minds of its congregation. We may just say yes to them, but we all be like a robot and just take instructions, things are not going to be implemented right.

The cg groups have already been stretched thin, and the pastor still want to multiply. Is he dreaming or what?

When I mean stretch thin, I mean not the work nor the commitments we are all taking. In fact, we would be glad to take up more and more serving at the church. But please don't take away the fellowship of the cg, for goodness sake. Why multiply the cg every 2 years? Before I even have the chance to blend and connect with others, they are already in the other cg. Shouldn't we deserve to have some fun at church, some laughter, some friendship?

Instead of having to come to cg lonely? No chinese new year dinner or celebration, we just come every friday are debate.

Forgiveness doesn't mean agree everything with the church. And how far do we submit, before the damage is done? The kind of damage that City Harvest have done. If anyone were to question the church policies, that person is regarded as a rebel, an argumentative and divisive persona and a distruptor who doesn't understand the bible.

Yes thanks for your understanding. This is what De Luffy has been missing my point.

Yesterday I was at church, and Pastor Chris delivered yet another sermon, which makes my eyes roll. He said serving would heal us from our pains. As what you've said, if serving takes our eyes from the problem, then what's differentiate serving from going to the gym and work your body out until you can't lift your hand? Many people go for under distractions, like I know a school friend who is suicidal but he goes to the gym and works very hard to forget his problems, he work so hard, one day, he accidentaly tore his muscle, when he could not go to the gym, his hands were trembling for him to cut his own wrist.

So in the same sense, a dude relying on gym to distract him from his problems, is no different from those guys I know who serve 110% at church to forget about their own problems. The problem is still there, they are just not taking it head on. Not figuring why is there the problem in the first place. As I know one dude at church, he is a socially awkward guy, he speaks openly about jumping down from a high rise building or other means of suicide. But you know what? When the members all hear, nobody took action, just sat there during gathering and ignored him. I reported this to the leadership, they just tell me to not take him seriously. Instead, they think by putting him into serving ministries, will heal him from his problems. Apa ini man? What happen to us lately?

Have we turned into a community of uncaring and uncountable brothers and sisters towards each others?

Then there's that borderline between forgivesness and having a big disagreement with the church?

Does forgiveness mean, being a YES MAN? Become one of them? Just drop all my assertions and believes and values for the sake of being submissive to the leadership of the church? Even though its eating up my soul? Agree with them and shut my mouth?

I had an interesting discussion during bible study 2 years ago, when a long serving christian at a prominent church in Damansara Heights, was part of the treasury committee in charge of funding the new building (apparently in bukit jalil). He told us that he had a big fight with the church, because he felt the church funds wasn't able to fund the new building and the funds could be use better for other ministries such as helping the poor. But everyone at the committee was a YES MAN. They approves the project. And you've read the papers, that church in many years struggled to build that new facility, and put the church into debt. Many years it was delayed. The dude who disagreed with them, left the church. Even today, people question the waste of money use to build this white elephant because they only use the building once a month.

And I haven't even bring up City Harvest.

Somehow at yesterdays sermon, the pastor missed the mark by 1000 miles. Yes I agree with him, the great commission, he wants to expand the church to 15000 people, wants to do church planting and want the church to be a blessing to the unbelievers, want to be a community light house, salt and light of the earth !

But what about looking inward? He talks about church planting and expansion but this cannot be achieve if he keeps on stretching the cell groups. Do you know what he calls the cell group? SMALL GROUP ! Now he's like making our cg size 3 to 7 people. I heard of the saying, WORK HARD and PLAY HARD. What's wrong with having a 20 person cg? Where's the diversity? Where's the comaderie? Instead I having to go to cg meeting every friday night, and only meet up with 3 people sitting at a sofa. It feels more like shrink therapy than a cg session. And you know how the cgs r instructed to conduct the cg session? Every friday, my cg leader would come up with very thought provoking questions aftern the sermon, end up heated debate among the few of us. Then I feel like I am being indoctrinated, 3 vs 1, to come back to the "good" side. I can only say without love, the church won't win the hearts and minds of its congregation. We may just say yes to them, but we all be like a robot and just take instructions, things are not going to be implemented right.

The cg groups have already been stretched thin, and the pastor still want to multiply. Is he dreaming or what?

When I mean stretch thin, I mean not the work nor the commitments we are all taking. In fact, we would be glad to take up more and more serving at the church. But please don't take away the fellowship of the cg, for goodness sake. Why multiply the cg every 2 years? Before I even have the chance to blend and connect with others, they are already in the other cg. Shouldn't we deserve to have some fun at church, some laughter, some friendship?

Instead of having to come to cg lonely? No chinese new year dinner or celebration, we just come every friday are debate.

Forgiveness doesn't mean agree everything with the church. And how far do we submit, before the damage is done? The kind of damage that City Harvest have done. If anyone were to question the church policies, that person is regarded as a rebel, an argumentative and divisive persona and a distruptor who doesn't understand the bible.

I. Existence is in itself an essence of substance.
II. Proof is logical essence. (Explanation: Proof assumes logical essence)
III. Existence necessarily proves its essence. (Explanation: Essence is attribute of existence of substance)
IV. It follows from (III) that for substance to exist there's no condition for it other than its very essence.
V. It then follows from (II) that to prove existence of substance; logical existence is assumed. Therefore logic only proves substance of essences of the same nature of it.
VI. Therefore substance existence is of logical essence.
VII. It then follows from (III) and (VI) that substance existence couldn't be proved if it weren't of logical essence.
VIII. God (as infinite substance) is logical and its essence is proof of itself.
IX. Therefore God exists.