My personal opinion that won't solve the issue lack of bandwidth. Think deep enough it does not make sense. Well i lazy to type why it does not make sense but my guess is when it's really implemented the problem will still arise.

Anyway my BT download easily reach 160 since my RM88 package is capped at 1.5mbps/384kbps. (99% peers are from us,china and japan, Malaysian are a bit stingy on upload, i rarely get anything higher than 5kBps)

a bad suggestion...! rm88 is already a very high rate compared to other ISP ex. HongKong... They provide a 6mb line with no limitation whatsoever at hkd263 thats around RM130!!! We are currently paying RM88 for 1mb so you could calculate the average ratio price for a 1mb line in HK is only around RM21....
And yet you want streamyx to increase the price... ?

you could check the latest price here...
http://www.netvigator.com/netvigator2003/index_eng.htm

This post has been edited by tycheah_7: Oct 29 2006, 04:34 PM

yup definately ripping us all off .. Currently at the RM88 plan 1mb unlimited download is reasonable for normal avg or heavy users.

From what i see from the package the most reasonable for me would be RM128 package that would cost me more then what im paying now. The other package below the RM128 is not worth looking at for normal IT users. Im sure the people who read this forums or contribute to the IT community will seek RM128 package more. Limitation and paying more is just complicating things.

Point is i dont want to come home from work and count how much capped i have for the day so i cant play my MMORPG today cause i overdownload yesterday or some crap like that.

If they would reduce the RM128 plan to RM88 then it would still be reasonable or have something to talk about. But whats the point talking about it, would all this even be taken into consideration.

if there were more competitors instead of TMnut dominating it now its likely a take it or leave it situation.

This post has been edited by kiDd: Oct 29 2006, 04:45 PM

I think its better for them to set it back like last time because i dont have any problem surfing,online gaming and torrent for my connection

This thread is nothing more than a person's wishlist in how he wants TMnet to run things. It's almost useless since there's no reason to believe TMnet will implement such a plan, or adopting the "rapidshare" model, or even bother to look at the plan.

Who on earth devised a limit/throttle plan for 1-2Mbps packages? Start offering 20-30Mbps packages affordably and then we'll talk. Try telling the world that a home subscriber who uses his 1Mbps package 24/7 is considered a "heavy" user. Joke of the year they will say.

Regarding the post on the LYN front page, is the quota official or what?

Besides, I will need a package for online gamers who dont torrent but wanted to play online game with out lag.

You're pre-judging TM based on past performances. That way, even if TM wanna try to improve, you're essentially slamming the door on them. WE gotta be abit open sometimes.... although the chances of this plan happening is slim. But yes, I respect your opinions.


Its easy to compare with what other offerings in other countries. Problem is, getting bandwidth to Malaysia isn't cheap. I guess it would be great if Tier 1 ISPs make Malaysia their hub. Malacca and Penang were great hubs back in the early days of East-West trading. Its an irony that we're still not the hub where Asia meets America. Hmmmm... That isn't really possible because of the government. Not enough emphasis on seriously pushing and advancing broadband usage. The government monies are used elsewhere

Yes, I too believe that lowyat and heavy users will want the rm 128 package. Would you rather have 10KB/s downloads (fake 1mbit) inconsistently like it is now, and having your BT throttled... or would you like to have nice clean, consistent and quality 4 mbit (or whatever) bandwidth in exchange that you'll control yourself. AFAIK, MMORPG doesn't use much bandwidth, perhaps 10-20KB/s total depending on the game. So the limits provided are more than sufficient. With this plan, its advantagous for gamers since your latency will be kept low. This is the result of less "abuse of bandwidth".

Problem: We don't have enough capacity. The latest numbers show 0.5mil subscribers. Assuming all are using 1mbit and theoretically, we should need 500 gbit connectivity. If my numbers are right, we are at 1:25 contention ratio. If you factor in that some bandwidth are used for really high b/width applications and other people who use Direct, server farms, etc etc... the reality is closer to 1:100 contention ratio for home users. Hence slow speeds. Hence we're experiencing lousy QoS.


If you offer 20 mbit for everyone, there are 2 major technical shortcomings:
1. DSLAM will overload. 100 people using the DSLAM assuming all are using 50% at one point of time makes 1000 mbit/s transfers. Think of our local links. Think about our international congestion. We'll download like there's no tomorrow. Yes, you could argue that our downloads would take faster, thus we'll tie up the line less. But in reality, it would just encourage us to abuse it even more.

Its like SYABAS offering us unlimited water for a fixed rate. Someone will abuse it, even if 90% of the population are honest consumers!

No, its just a suggestion to TM. They're unlikely to use this model, but its a rough estimate of what we can expect to pay. Perhaps we might be even asked to pay more.... so basically I'm trying to help you soften your blow when TM eventually decides to charge by transfers.

Thank you all for your input. And thanks to the admin for making it frontpage despite the opposition and disagreeableness with the article!

You're right. I made some screenshots (page 5) of my crazy speeds in the early hours of the day. At 7-8am onwards, when the office lights and computers start to boot up, Business Streamyx users are given priority. Our Torrents are throttled (thx for the definition help )

throttled: reduce to a slower speed. (eg. Michael Schumacher was throttled to 100km/h at the pit lane to comply with the speed limit)

de-prioritised : put at a lower rank in order of importance (eg. Digi Communications decided to de-prioritise fake advertising, unlike Maxis and concentrate more on providing competitive real world savings).

Both basically mean limit, but have different usages.

You're partly right. As for old quality cables, they can be changed. Sooner or later, you've got to change them for ADSL 2+ right? So why not take the opportunity now?

Data download - easy.. just like Digi's online bill statement, you can log on to TMnet's servers and they'll tell you how much you download. Then by personalising DU Meter, TM can let users know their usage... Remember, you get unthrottled at midnight everynight, so you don't have to worry about running out of quota at the end of the month!

Like any new system, initial setup will be problematic. But if given 1-2 months, the system should be self running and should be like clockwork.

That is the hope of this whole thing: Better QoS. I'd rather leave my computer on 8 hours a day and get my 10GB downloads of BT or any other traffic, done, rather than leaving it 24 hours a day and having only 3-4 GB downloaded like it is today. Throttled, inconsistent and annoying!

You hit it right on the nail. That's the whole point. Hopefully, the magic number is 4 mbit. That's all our hope - faster speeds! We'll have to see if TM can deliver!

Tmnut Bus-Tards.....Where are all the other service providers....hey mod..maybe we should start a thread just to vote how many of us wanna a new service provider and release that thread address to Digi,Maxis and Time....maybe they will heed our calls.....

Everyone wants better service. Starting from scratch will take another 5 years for the service to stabilise, and for the kinks and bugs to be ironed out. Running an ISP isn't like starting a mamak shop - just buy the ingredients, cook and serve. No, its much more than that. There's governement regulations, extremely high startup costs (up to billions of ringgit to cover whole of Malaysia) and many others.

Assuming you don't have much assets (eg. car, house) to your name, try getting a $100,000 loan from the bank and you'll know how HARD and DIFFICULT t is to begin. Talk is easy; actions, well, that's a whole other ballgame.

I have a sneaky feeling that Malaysia will open up to international broadband competition. Perhaps from Telanor?? But for the next 24-36 months, TM will be the provider of choice, like it or not.

Sound like we need a new local internet services provider. No point argue because nothing you'll can do. We are not the one who own it so I will sit back and enjoy the show.

I think you misunderstood me. What i am trying to say is not about stoping TMNET use this kind of method but it does not solve anything, only helps TMNET earn extra. Even if the bandwidth increase double next years, as they implement higher download limit for heavy user, just think 80% of 18Gb/s TMNET capacity is for P2P only for minority users. Where else if you look carefully not everyone is getting satisfied speed except me and a few others i hope. When we say minority users uses 80% of TMNET bandwidth for P2P, whether or not the majority uses the min package does not affect anything. The bandwidth allocated for home users are insufficient (as TMNET claimed). I hope this is clear.

If I've mistaken your point do tell me.

Hey, excit3. are you going to suggest your proposal to TMnet ?

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no meaning of "personal attack" / "hidden meaning".

vote for "don't throttle us, don't limit us" plan !

excit3,
actually the solution is out there for tmnut to follow...many countries successfully implement their unlimited broadband.oh have i mention, rm88 is 8Mb in jp(the slowest)? why dont they complain about it?

I dont go to eat buffet if they limit how much i can eat.
same goes with the tmnut.

as customer, we will demand...not comprise...!
only then things will improve.

instead of these new model plans.. why not just throttle certain hours and non-throttle during non-peak hours. Maybe like let us utilize p2p traffic from midnite to 7am. i guess customers will be happy with that atleast.

well guys...i dun think is is the way...if it is.. no difference from havein dial-up lines..swt.... they r too much to control our usage

hey I rebooted my modem and got a 124.x.x.x IP and am now getting 200KB/s down and 55KB/s up from my BT.

I haven't been able to get this type of IP for all the rebooting I have done and I won't be rebooting ever again if my speed stays like this. All the 60.x.x.x IPs don't work properly, something is very wrong on that route.

If only TMnet could listen to us all and work out this problem. Also now I have this connection how do I justify any sort of legal action? Oh well, I'm happy again now

This post has been edited by morphware: Oct 29 2006, 11:00 PM

how to reboot the modem??? can u teach me?

124.x.x.x is a new ip range. Mostly new subscriber or at certain area have this IP range. my place only get 60.*.*.* not even a year. 1 month after i registered, 124.*.*.* started using.

most of the Northern side of users are facing speed throttling problem also...not BT, it's the IP thingy..
if u get 218 or 219, then the speed goes well, but whenever we get 60.xx.xx.xx then...heck la~

124...is almost impossible.