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playsafe69
post Oct 31 2006, 03:25 AM

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Hi excit3.
First I have to say thank you, your suggestions are appreciated. After half-year of discussion, finally we are on the right derection. Nomore parangs and guns, nomore legal-illegal talk.. I don't know are you really from TMnet, but if yes.. I would be happy too, atleast now I can see you guys are working, but not only sit inside the office and enjoy happy hours after 5.

For the poll, I would suggest to add in a "how & why" section. It is important for customer to know why we need to pay more and where the money goes. Some points I have thought so far:
. Users are on best effort based - Not leased based
. Why best effort - The basic design/purpose of best effort - How the calculation goes
. Out of (their!) expectation - Incresed of P2P activities - How the best effort based miss calculated - How P2P activities abuse (not overused) the network
. We users always have the rights to use subscribed bandwidth - but bacause of best effort (point.1) - bandwidth congested - throttled heavy users
. Why pay based on daily/monthly usage - benefit - between heavy and light users

* Second chance? for them to re-calculate again. You set the rules, we buy the plan.
* I saw this overused word somewhere before in some nutz reply, this is logically not right.
* If they still decide to leave on throttling, en/decrypt games never end.

Besides, you can state that the bandwidth price for Malaysia are way high compare to other country.. why expensive.. OR why japan so cheap, like what you have mentioned few post ago.

For the price and daily usage.. well I'm a somekind of noob on this, so I leave it for pros to calculate on it first. But nutz, pls do not monopolize it, and make the price reasonable. You're losing prestige as a leading broadband company.

Sorry for my english. rolleyes.gif
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post Oct 31 2006, 06:59 AM

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Don't hope for good explanations from TMnut, playsafe69. This is TMnut tactic to make every customer blur in mind. Just look at BT throttled issue, TMnut never officially admit it ( *chicken up* ).
playsafe69
post Oct 31 2006, 12:49 PM

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No problem, tgr. I'm still OK. For the throttled issue, of course I know what is that, from far earlier of Febuary already. But maybe what you said is right, coz this is just a suggestion or proposal from threadstarter, nutz accept it or not, I don't know.. So it still can call it a "dream". What I do is just greets thank you to threadstarter, and suggest for a "how & why" section, nothing much..

I think nobody here will have a good expectation on nutz. As I said, for this throttling issue, they have already losing their prestige. Now do it or not (or dream), they still have a chance to re-calculate the rules, before new broadband company come into Malaysia and join the game.

Sorry for my "engrish". smile.gif
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post Oct 31 2006, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(chuafc2006 @ Oct 29 2006, 11:27 PM)
most of the Northern side of users are facing speed throttling problem also...not BT, it's the IP thingy..
if u get 218 or 219, then the speed goes well, but whenever we get 60.xx.xx.xx then...heck la~

124...is almost impossible.
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mine starts wif 192..wat do u mean by rebooting it? and how do u do it?
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post Oct 31 2006, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(drummerboy @ Oct 31 2006, 04:09 PM)
mine starts wif 192..wat do u mean by rebooting it? and how do u do it?
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mine lagi teruk always 10... only no matter howmany times i reboot!
why ahh? why ah? but download speed very fast,almost 800MB per second??
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post Oct 31 2006, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(morphware @ Oct 31 2006, 12:01 AM)
HAHAHA I have just about done that myself, downloaded just over 10GB in the last 24 hours. tongue.gif
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Yesterday I reached 80 kBps for the first time in over a month... I'll admit I almost cried.

QUOTE(sequioa @ Oct 31 2006, 04:23 PM)
mine lagi teruk always 10... only no matter howmany times  i reboot!
why ahh? why ah? but download speed very fast,almost 800MB per second??
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post Oct 31 2006, 06:19 PM

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How to reboot it??? can anyone teach me??? blink.gif blink.gif blink.gif
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post Oct 31 2006, 06:29 PM

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@drummerboy

Just push the power button on the modem twice and then go to whatismyip.org and check your IP.
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post Oct 31 2006, 07:39 PM

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Just copy-pasting my explanation on the proposed bandwidth caps plans from the other thread:

QUOTE(excit3 @ Oct 31 2006, 05:58 PM)
About half of you guys are missing the point. Your perception of this plan is WAY WAY WAY off what is has been intended to mean. I guess there's no real way to show you how it will work out unless someone tests it out in real life, or a working "beta test group" is done by the telekom guys.

Basically, my Rapidshare model proposal has the following characteristics:

1. Everyone capped at 4mbit download.

2. Bandwidth limits are introduced, so that EVERYONE can enjoy the 4mbit. If an idiot ties up the line for 24/7 downloading stuff to fill his server room, then he'll be throttled to 128kb for the rest of the day. After which, his speed resumes back to 4mbit.

3. You are charged by how much you THINK you need a day. If you read my poll, at 5GB a day, that's 1000 mp3 songs PER DAY. Can you download that much? Do you need that much?

4. The intention of bandwidth caps are so that everyone can enjoy higher speeds. If the line is freed up, higher speeds can be offered to subscribers.

5. First you complain about not having fast enough speeds. Then you complain that you modem can't sync at these fast speeds!!! Ironic right? Of course for some people, their physical copper wire needs to be upgraded. For the majority of us, its a matter of flipping a switch or even configuration on TM's server side.

Basically, this is a proposal. Can't call it a rumour, because I don't work for TM or know people who do! Its just a theoretical model, hence the appropriate title name. I really hope TM will consider similar models.

Upon reflection, I notice that MANY people think this "limit" is insufficient for your needs. Well, I guess you can pay the RM 188 one for 10GB / day downloads. That ought to be sufficient. IN fact, now i have a sneaky feeling that the limits will be lower:

5 simple plans:

0.2 GB / day - RM 44 (for low b/width)
1 GB / day - RM 66
2 GB / day - RM 88 (might be popular)
4 GB / day - RM 128
8 GB / day - RM 188

As for "we gotta apply again, like we did for MyKad", of course not! TM is smarter than that! We'll just be capped according to our current charges. RM 88 users will auto-capped to 4mbit, and 2GB / day, after using up the day's quota, it'll be throttled to 128kbit. It resets at 12:00 midnight.

Users will be allowed to go online and upgrade / downgrade their plan once for free. If you think you need more or less, just adjust to the plan that suits you.

I think these caps SHOULD be applied to home users only. For cybercafes, they're paying close to RM 600 for 2 mbit speeds, so they deserve "truly unlimited" performance. Now that's the real cost of providing b/band.

Truth is, internet bandwidth and running an ISP is expensive. And the costs will ultimately be transferred to the consumers. We want low latencies and consistent speeds. Right now, TM's international backbone is OVER OVER congested. To put into perspective.... imagine you have a big lan party at PWTC or KLCC or Low Yat ... and imagine there's 100 people sharing a Streamyx line, at 1 mbit and assuming that Streamyx line is 100% efficient - meaning 24/365 you can get that speed.

Yupp, that's the situation RIGHT now for Home Streamyx users. We are so congested that for home users, its a 1:100 bandwidth sharing (contention) ratio. To make that number lower, we need to cap. CAP CAP CAP! In U.S., they even TERMINATE your line for downloading too much! They term it "abuse". TM haven't done that yet, cuz there's gonna be a public outcry.

After your "daily quota" is used up, you'll be at 128kb/s. Believe me, that's more than enough for your DOTA and WOW or whatever games you play. MORE than enough, unless you set up a server (which you are not legally allowed to under the ToS).

For those of you who wants to switch to Jaring, Time or whatever's out there, by all means, GO! TM doesn't need your business. They've got herds of people on the waiting list just to get Streamyx. I bet that other ISPs can't even fulfill 40% of your P2P needs, let alone provision you a stable internet line.

My prediction: for the next 2-3 years, TM will still be the number 1 ISP in terms of subscriber numbers and quality of service. Just look at maxis: 3G home b/band, at 3GB per MONTH downloads. LOL, who would buy that????

There is no way for TM to offer truly unlimited transfers... even if they cap everyone at 256kbit, ultimately, their lines will be saturated! At 256kb/s, people who are genuine users of the net (not for illegal stuff), they'll feel that the speeds are slow. And at the end of the month, they use only 3-5GB TOTAL PER MONTH, compared to a heavy BT user who tapao that amount PER DAY. So if caps are introduced, it levels the playing ground and all will be treated equally - pay for what you use!

Sorry if I've offended a little, but that's the simple truth!
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QUOTE(excit3 @ Oct 31 2006, 06:15 PM)
Nope... you touch your 1GB quota, then your line will drop from 4 mbit to 0.128mbit (128kb/s) .. so you will see (15KB/s max) on your Torrents. Until 12:00

Good right? Its better than at <20KB/s the whole day right now, and depending on your luck, you go at XXX speed. Hopefully under this new proposal, you can fly at 450KB/s for the first few hours.. then when you touch your daily limit, you are throttled to allow OTHERS to fly. Its all about sharing the bandwidth, instead of leeching it all for yourself.

If you predict that you need a lot of transfers, get the RM 188 one lah. Your downloads will be geng for a longer time. Remember, it can be accumulated, meaning if you don't use all your 10GB you bought, it'll roll over up to 20GB or whatever-TM decides.... so you can download 20GB tomorrow and so forth.

[edited for clarity and factual accuracy]
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post Oct 31 2006, 09:27 PM

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For me..if i would choose between this plan n Jaring..i will go for Jaring..i believe lots of people will do so...and since TM has so much of business... lets stay back n c if they r doing the right thing...
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post Nov 1 2006, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(drummerboy @ Oct 31 2006, 09:27 PM)
For me..if i would choose between this plan n Jaring..i will go for Jaring..i believe lots of people will do so...and since TM has so much of business... lets stay back n c if they r doing the right thing...
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you forgotten that.. jaring using telekom network backbone....
so if telekom- streamyx slow.. jaring more slow...
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post Nov 1 2006, 01:18 AM

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Ok, I am now at Shaw website. They are a canadian ISP that throttles P2P and from the forum ( http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12015375~mode=flat ) there is a guy complaining about his XTreme package ( http://www.shaw.ca/en-ca/ProductsServices/...ghSpeedXtremeI/ ) from Shaw being throttled till 16kb/s.

Mind you his XTreme package from Shaw says Download Speed Up to 10 Mb with a Data Transfer Limit 100 GB/month and yet they throttled his bittorrent.

The average speed appears to be 2.0-2.5 megabits downstream and 400-480 kilobits upstream.

What is to stop TM Net from doing the same to us after they implement download caps?

This post has been edited by TC_Boy: Nov 1 2006, 01:20 AM
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post Nov 1 2006, 02:06 AM

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i pay 1mb and they gave me max 30kbs everyday........ i am suffering this few months, totally not fair, and complain also no responce, they only know how to charge and to consumer issit fair, and da package for bt is totally ridiculous, they capable to let us download that much anot, they are so sucks. now i do bandwith test everyday, and dissappointing every day. terrible, wah, at least they gave me 60++ la, wah i got 30++ far more slower than 512package, cheating money, somemore with this cheating package, hey as consumer, we no need care bout their prob, its their prob, they said da speed reach to 1mb, then we shud have 1 mb, the rest , its their prob, they r professional, out of that, we dont care, we pay what, we get what, i dont think they are cheap in this kind performance also......
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QUOTE(snowmei @ Nov 1 2006, 12:16 AM)
you forgotten that.. jaring using telekom network backbone....
so if telekom- streamyx slow.. jaring more slow...
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However Jaring will go faster than this bt plan
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QUOTE(drummerboy @ Nov 1 2006, 03:09 PM)
However Jaring will go faster than this bt plan
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And you know that because ...... ? smile.gif

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TC_boy put up a good point. But it has to be noted that Shaw is capping on a monthly basis while Excit3's idea is to cap on a daily basis. Perhaps that fella has already exceeded his cap? Since the cap is on a monthly basis, his account will only reset at the end of the month.

If ya ask me, if TM Net is going to use such a plan, they ought to use the daily cap instead of the monthly cap. A daily cap will force everyone to manage their bandwidth usage better, making the network less congested. With this cap, they should unthrottle everyone. Actually, with any cap, they should unthrottle everyone. wink.gif
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post Nov 2 2006, 02:44 AM

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This whole thing I think happened because TMNet chose to market their plans with an emphasis on connection speeds. 512Kb, 1Mb, 2Mb, etc. In actual fact, nobody surfing the web is going to notice big difference on all three plans.

The difference comes in the total amount of bandwidth that the users will be able to utilize, and this turned out to be a real problem. It's like marketing multi-gigahertz processors to people who just want to do Word processing at home. It's not a right approach, but at the time it seemed like a good idea.

I think the threadstarter is right in that the inevitable direction this entire fiasco will lead to some sort of bandwidth limited plan. Connection speeds will probably all be the same (to avoid confusion) and we will be charged based on how much we download.

But the figures given the the threadstarter appears too good to be true though. I for one am not so optimistic on being offered 10gb/day limits. For one thing, my friend in Australia is on a PREMIUM plan that maxes out at 40GB a MONTH.

The problem with trying to define the limits is the question of how much is bandwidth worth? How much does it cost to transport a gigabyte from here to, say, the USA is? And is such a comparison even valid because not all our connections are going to the USA. If we can answer this question, then maybe we can home in with some guesstimation on what the bandwidth limited plan might look like.
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Yes, it's true that TMNet screwed up big time with their promotion. Users sign up thinking (primarily) that they will be able to P2P at their leisure at maximum speeds 24/7. I used to enjoy that liberty and watching my torrents do 3gb a night. Now that it's barely doing 300 mb, I feel cheated.

But the reality is, there's not enough bandwidth to go about. Sure, we used to be able to get those insane (but nonetheless deserving) speeds, but at what expense? Exactly how much P2P is damaging our network is unknown, but AFAIK reading Slashdot, it's EVERY ISP'S WORST NIGHTMARE. Is the frequent disconnections and spotty service the result of P2P? I'm not a network technician so I don't know. But the reality is still this: there's not enough bandwidth to go about.

When you have too many people on the bridge, the bridge is going to collapse, no doubt about it. Right now, the perfect solution would be to get a bigger bridge, then everybody would be happy right? Well, that's only a temporary solution. I agree with the threadstarter in that we're probably way underpaying for the amount of bandwidth (not speed. I don't care about getting 10Mbit lines if I can only download 40gb with it a month) we are enjoying. The cost of building a bigger bridge might simply not scale with the amount that TMNet is charging people right now.

Note that the last statement is purely based hypothetical. I'm not sure what the prices of bandwidth is. I base my assumption that we are underpaying simply from studying the plans of foreign ISPs.

The question still remains: how much should we OUGHT to pay for bandwidth?
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I don't know i never trust what TMNUTS say, before I applied my coporate line, i ask them will there be any port filtering, network shaping or throttle? because my nature of business is dealing through internet. they happily say no we don't do this sort of thing, this and that.

and now look what happen now, there is no official announce no notice no nothing, they just do it, and now my business is infected. with all the time out connection that I have, and i receive lot's of complain from my UK office because of the low bandwidth over vpn.

thing have gone bad and they even make it worse with the stupid upgrade which mean nothing, that tell people "hey look i upgrade your line so be happy and stop complain" wtf, they are out of bandwidth yet they are still having all sort of promotion to get customer, in the end everbody is suffer and yet still have to pay the money because of the 12month contract..

they are really nut's on doing things, if you don't have that's much of bandwidth then go get more before you sell. don't freaking have that kind of malaysian thinking, every thing also tak apa.

just imagine, 7 corporate line i have and how suffer as a admin to maintain and explain what's going on.

just because they are the only 1 that are controlling the whole telecomunication, don't mean they can just put thing in their owe hand, do remember without us, you you TMNUTS don't even exist.

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QUOTE(steven437 @ Nov 2 2006, 12:04 PM)
they are really nut's on doing things, if you don't have that's much of bandwidth then go get more before you sell. don't freaking have that kind of malaysian thinking, every thing also tak apa.

TM guys tell me that this is government force TM to do the promotions.

QUOTE(steven437 @ Nov 2 2006, 12:04 PM)
just because they are the only 1 that are controlling the whole telecomunication, don't mean they can just put thing in their owe hand, do remember without us, you you TMNUTS don't even exist.

I guess TMnut never think at customers' side. TMnut will do whatever it likes. If customers making complaints, TMnut will just ignore it.

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QUOTE(work_tgr @ Nov 2 2006, 01:10 PM)
TM guys tell me that this is government force TM to do the promotions.
I guess TMnut never think at customers' side. TMnut will do whatever it likes. If customers making complaints, TMnut will just ignore it.
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gov force them to do promotions, that's so lame rclxub.gif, some more have that stupid tmnuts fiesta #_# people are here suffering and they still can have fiesta

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