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work_tgr
post Oct 25 2006, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(excit3 @ Oct 25 2006, 10:34 AM)
500 MB / day - RM 44
1000 MB / day - RM 66
2000 MB / day - RM 88
5000 MB / day - RM 128
10000 MB / day - RM 188
I think this calculation is still too expensive. It is more reasonable if adding one more "0" at the back, so it will become as belowed:

5000 MB / day - RM 44
10000 MB / day - RM 66
20000 MB / day - RM 88
50000 MB / day - RM 128
100000 MB / day - RM 188


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post Oct 25 2006, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(TC_Boy @ Oct 25 2006, 01:09 PM)
ISPs especially TM Net can't charge for their services using this pricing structure as it makes revenue earnings extremely unpredictable. Meanwhile, the international links cost are fixed regardless of more or less been used. TM Net will go bankrupt if they did this and this pricing structure discourages the use of internet as well which is 100% against what the government is trying to achieve.
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1. Even nowadays, TMnut revenue earnings is unpredictable. It will not making any differences if using pricing structure.
2. If international links cost are fixed (regardless of more or less been used), TM nut is definitely wrong to throttle BT. TMnut must increase international link.
3. TMnut is earning BIG BIG money every year because it monopoly Malaysia's broadband service. How TMnut will bankrupt ?? rclxub.gif
3.Actually, BT is functioning through internet. Increasement of BT usage is accouraging internet usage and it is just perfectly match with government's achieve.
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post Oct 25 2006, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(dragna @ Oct 25 2006, 02:01 PM)
Everyone wishes for that but TMnet won't favor you on this, so in order people are starting to come up with the quota per month deal and hopefully TMnet implement that so that they can unthrottle us on BT.  unsure.gif
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and after the implement of quota, TM must not throttle BT anymore.
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post Oct 25 2006, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(excit3 @ Oct 25 2006, 03:34 PM)
If you want something with no quota, and you want 90% of advertised speeds 24/7, low pings, try TM Direct. You won't be disappointed! 1 mbit symmetric (up/down) connection at rm 12,000 / year. Confirm happy wan!
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sounds like you want to pay more to TM ?? rclxub.gif
and do you think one 2M speed line can download up to 100GB per day ??

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post Oct 25 2006, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(excit3 @ Oct 25 2006, 04:22 PM)
Bro tgr, read the first post unedited. "Cap everyone at 4 mbit". Furthermore, I didn't suggest 100GB / day. I said "10000 MB / day - RM 188" and if you go to basic computing class, it translates to 10 GB. According to my calculations, assuming 90% efficiency & saturation of line, then it'll take under 6.5 hours to fully use your 4 mbit pipe. After that, you get capped at 128kbit, still able to check your mail and MSN, but your torrents and other downloads will throttle.
Get it?
10GB per day with RM188 is too expensive.
that is why I say 100GB per day with RM188. and I don't think I can reach that amount with my 1.5M line ( even I download 24 hour).
@@ I don't like cap/throttle. It should be fix to constant speed .. why 4mbit and later back to 128kbit ??

another word, RM188 should be package for unlimited p2p download whistling.gif thumbup.gif

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post Oct 26 2006, 07:10 AM

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Actually, I am hoping for special package for BT usage. If TM can provide this kinda of package, I will consider to apply also. At least, this is a guarantee to customers to use BT ( and no more throttle as long as within the limited download amount).

I am now paying RM66 per month for "unlimited access". Just imagine if TM provide a same package - "limited BT access - 10GB/month" with RM188 ( almost 3 times expensive) ... I wonder how many customers will agree with this price.

Maybe , thread starter can make a poll to collect opinions from customers.
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post Oct 26 2006, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(excit3 @ Oct 26 2006, 07:28 AM)
Bro Tgr, I mentioned 10GB / day for 30 days a month! That's 300 GB total transfers.


I know exactly what you say.

I pay RM188 for 300GB per month ?? no way. It is still too expensive. THis should be for UNLIMITED access package. I truely mean this. Most customers will compare this price with the previous package. If I can use "unlimited access" with just RM66 per month, why I should pay more
(almost 3 times expensive) for a limited download package ?

Also, Malaysia will have its' owned Ibu Sawat. We supposed to use cheaper and better broadband service in the future. Also, this is Malaysia market ( not Australia, not Singapore), it is meaningless to compare with foreign countries.
If really want to compare, I just pay RM150 per month in Japan then I can start to enjoy 30MB Yahoo broadband line shocking.gif !

I don't know, maybe others will agree with this package. But, not me. I disagree with 5000 MB / day - RM 128 & 10000 MB / day - RM 188 -- too expensive.

Refer to this:
500 MB / day - RM 44
1000 MB / day - RM 66
2000 MB / day - RM 88
5000 MB / day - RM 128
10000 MB / day - RM 188

I am not a heavy BT user. My maximum usage will below than 50GB per month.
I will choose RM88 (2GB/day), this is good enough for me. I can accept this price. Reasonable and not too much. slightly a bit expensive ... but ,still good . at least got GUARANTEE and SAFE to use BT. whistling.gif


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post Oct 26 2006, 02:21 PM

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I think thread starter is talking about Australia broadband.
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post Oct 26 2006, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(excit3 @ Oct 26 2006, 02:25 PM)
Its the government's pressure to increase broadband penetration that causes this lack of bandwidth. So TM nut has been over-selling the bandwidth by a factor of at least 20!!


I am not agree with this fact. please explain this.
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@@ an off topic question: R you working with TM ??
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QUOTE(excit3 @ Oct 26 2006, 02:43 PM)
about 24-36 months ago, there has been heavy promotion of b/band usage right? its just a government tactic... becuz if more ppl in our country use "broadband"... its good for our statistical numbers. Foreign investors will be more confident and trust our country.

Government force TMnut to make the promotions ?? I never heard of this kinda of news. TMnut can just stop the promotions. Now, customers will only blame TMnut ( for its' stupidity to throttle BT and making so much FAKE promotions). Customers will not blame government. At last, this is TMnut's faulty. Nothing to do with government.

If someone tell TMnut to jump down 10 levels floor building without any safety equipment, will TMnut follow it too ?? Just think this by common sense. Of coarse not. TMnut want to make promotions in order to attract more customers and earn more money. This is nothing to do with "government forcing etc ... or any political issue "

QUOTE(excit3 @ Oct 26 2006, 02:43 PM)
yes, I sound like someone working for TM nut, but basically i'm just trying to raise awareness about why one shouldn't f*k tm nut unnecessarily becuz of small small things like slow speeds. yes, its frustrating, but we have to be tolerant to be considered a mature nation. Otherwise, we're no better than 3rd world countries.
customers pay money to TM every month. We pay money because we need the service. Let say I buy a car with RM30,000 but at last, I find out that this car is only worth RM3,000. I think I am "kenak tipu" and will definitely feel angry.

It's same case as apply TM's broadband, customers are not satisfy with its' service. Of coarse we will complaint and F*** at TM. Do we need to bring this thing to our Prime Minister ?? or discuss it in the Parliment ??

The worst thing is that even TM receive countless of complaints everyday by customers, TM still pretend as if nothing is happening. I wouldn't say TM doing nothing. Yes, TM is doing some improvement. But, the improvement is so damned slow ... like snail crawl ....

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back to this forum discussion,
I will agree to pay RM88 for 2G/day.
but, TM must promise to customers that this is not something similar to "based on best effort basic"
also don't unreasonably throttle my line if my BT download not more that 2G per day.


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post Oct 28 2006, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(excit3 @ Oct 28 2006, 09:06 AM)
for the past 2-3 years before the throttling, you were getting an Enzo. Only now, the performance is like Wira... and you still want your RM 4mil!


really ?? don't forget about those FREQUENT and COMMON problems TM ( unreasonable line disconnection and unreasonalbe speed slow down ---- all happened without any prior notice ).

I think we are start to use "wira" at the very beginning.

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post Oct 28 2006, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(excit3 @ Oct 28 2006, 02:04 PM)
The consumer would say "hell yes!". The business and management people would say, "F*ck, WHAT??????" and the unbiased person will say, "Lets  compromise; lets cap by data usage."
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agree with this.
After all, customer is the BOSS. TM must follow what customers ask for. If TM failed to fullfil customer's need, then TM must be F*uck off. As simple as that.
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post Oct 28 2006, 06:50 PM

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just one question here:
Is quota based on " best effort basic" ??
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@@ everything just like a fairy tale .... interested to read on but surprised me with the last sentences:
"excit3 is a 20 year old kid studying at Taylors Business School, Subang Jaya."
Hi .... Hi .... r you telling us that you r a genius ?

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post Oct 28 2006, 09:51 PM

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I just could not imagine how developed of Malaysia's bistari school to train out such clever student --- 20 year old kid studying at Taylors Business School, Subang Jaya ??
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thread starter only purposely make us to believe that we (customers) are paying less than actual price.
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what ?!
20 year old kid studying at Taylors Business School, Subang Jaya ??

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post Oct 28 2006, 10:22 PM

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how come we can compare Malaysia with Australia ??
how about compare Malaysia with Indonesia ??
100 rupiah enough to buy RM0.20 periksa ayam keropok ??
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post Oct 28 2006, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(excit3 @ Oct 28 2006, 10:23 PM)
Tgr, I'm not manipulating your minds. I'm just stating the facts. Some times you have to snap out of your dream and come back to the real world.


I think you are the one live in "Australia Dreamland" all the time.
Hei, man ! Wake up! This is Malaysia !!

Peace, 20 year-old boy laugh.gif laugh.gif

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QUOTE(excit3 @ Oct 29 2006, 04:27 AM)
Keep in mind most of us are getting 160KB/s on our HTTP downloads, so in theory, our torrents can hit that speed too.


agree with this. even with good local peer , BT can reach ( >120k). I am not good/ understanding at those theory or calculation very well, which you stated at 1st post. I hope there will be a good solution for this issue. may be, price quota will solve it. i hope so. I can pay more for BT ( but not too much) with 2G/day, RM88.

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post Oct 29 2006, 09:24 AM

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oopss... wouldn't talk much here anymore.
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off topic here .....I don't mean to "personal attack". Sorry sweat.gif , if thread starter or admin think it this way.

I really don't think a 20-year-old boy can be such informative/knowledgeable
( truely no harmful/ hidden meaning/ personal attack).

I am 17-year-old secondary school student ( examination result always no.1 from the bottom sweat.gif )

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QUOTE(slash @ Oct 29 2006, 10:21 AM)
why cant a 20yr old be so informative?
with the internet boom, i feel that more kids (13-22 age group) are more knowledgeable, compared to those born during the 7x years.
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don't discuss anymore about this off topic. I don't understand a 20-year-old boy thinking with my 17-year-old brain (maybe because of my stupidity). Forgive an under-aged boy talk. ok ??

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