I was just talking to prasys on InsanelyMac about Rapidshare.

Their download limit is very interesting.



I think this is awesome. So a little suggestion to TM Nut. Cap everyone at 4 mbit. Sell your bandwidth like its supposed to: by data transfers.

500 MB / day - RM 44
1000 MB / day - RM 66
2000 MB / day - RM 88
5000 MB / day - RM 128
10000 MB / day - RM 188

All data accounts can accumulate to up to 20,000 MB download. If you run out of data credit, software throttle us to 128 kbit. Fair play for everyone, right? And please, don't throttle anything! We pay for the bandwidth, if you think we're doing something illegal, press charges! Don't just act like a girl and discreetly throttle us.

Heavy downloaders like myself will like the upper two plans. People who online 24/7 but just to check e-mail and webcam on Skype / MSN will like the rm 44 / 66 plan.

f*k!!! 100Gigs a day? Porn servers feeding 10 HDTV monitors 24/7?? Seriously, that's too much lor. Try to start an ISP and check out the real prices of b/width. You'd be surprised. 100 mbit unshared cost US$5,000 with tier 1 ISPs per month.

Maybe I should make it more clear. These are per day allowances.. meaning you won't run out of bandwidth and speed at the end of your calendar months. The counter resets at midnight!

0.5 MB / day - RM 44
1 GB / day - RM 66
2 GB / day - RM 88
5 GB / day - RM 128
10 GB / day - RM 188

If you want something with no quota, and you want 90% of advertised speeds 24/7, low pings, try TM Direct. You won't be disappointed! 1 mbit symmetric (up/down) connection at rm 12,000 / year. Confirm happy wan!

Correction: 0.5 GB / day - RM 44

I feel that some people are overpaying while 10% of Streamyx users are underpaying. Obviously, common sense would tell you that the 10% would feel the pinch harder!

Imagine going to the buffet, and the restaurant manager looks at you, and say, "Ok... you're thin, can't eat much. I'll charge you $20. Then a fat dude comes in, looks very hungry and he says, hmm.. you're likely gonna eat much so its $40 for you, sir"

Internet bandwidth and restaurant buffet might not be the same, but the concept is similar. Perhaps if we make the bandwidth commodity like petrol and offer "unlimited fillings per month". The intention is that, you can drop by at the petrol station any time you want. But due to abuse, people go to the petrol station and suck all the petrol. Some honest users will use less whereas the top 10% users suck out 80% of the petrol. Unfair for the other 90% honest paying users. Not to say the top 10% users are cheats... but by right, they should pay more.

Payment by transfers is the way to go to ensure good consistent speeds and minimal abuse.

Bro tgr, read the first post unedited. "Cap everyone at 4 mbit". Furthermore, I didn't suggest 100GB / day. I said "10000 MB / day - RM 188" and if you go to basic computing class, it translates to 10 GB. According to my calculations, assuming 90% efficiency & saturation of line, then it'll take under 6.5 hours to fully use your 4 mbit pipe. After that, you get capped at 128kbit, still able to check your mail and MSN, but your torrents and other downloads will throttle.

Get it?

Bro TC, I mention about US$5,000/mth truly dedicated internet connectivity for 100mbit? The rm 12k/year is the ballpark cost if you want one at your premises right now. If your theory about "we do not make any profit" is true, then my unlimited petrol theory would sound like this:

"Transnational and Konsortium should pay RM 10/litre for diesel. They're making a profit. I should pay RM 0.50/litre because I don't make a profit or pirate DVD stalls!!!" Mmmmmmkay....

My last line makes me think of software pricing too.

"Graphic design firms, big companies and corporations should pay $10,000 for Microsoft Windows, Adobe Photoshop and Microsoft Office. We home users should pay $50 each cause its we do not make a profit!"

I guess you two have to go survey other broadband providers around the world who caps download usages, and compare that to my proposal. You'll be bloody shocked.

Some ISPs give 30GB / MONTH at a high premium. Just look at Australia for example.

It took me a while to finally understand how costly bandwidth actually is. I hope one day you both will too

We're trying to strike a deal with TM Nut here.

We want full unthrottled speeds in exchanged for limited downloading. That's the plan. Right now, an uber leech at 90% efficiency on a 1mbit line sucks 10 GB / day. That's the real world situation right now if the torrents are uncapped. If you put it at 4mbit unlimited, the max a user can download is 40 GB / day. This is a fact. You can do the math to verify my numbers.

Anyway, at 0.5 GB/day, its more than enough for basic surfing and chatting. So if you're a gamer / heavy BT downloader, you get the 10 GB/day package and download all you want!

I know why some of you are wetting your pants when looking at the numbers. Whole season torrents are aboue 4GB each and DVD quality rips are 3 GB on average. Download 3 DVDs and your daily quota is gone! You fail to factor in that this is per day allowances. Furthermore, unused "credit" will be roll-over.

Singapore, 2 major players (lets leave out Pac Net)

Singtel - 3mbit, 10 mbit and 25 mbit ADSL 2+ . You get about 70% subscribed speed most of the time and the Singaporean government monitors your internet activity. Yes, there is BT activity going on, but doing so is VERY risky.

Starhub Cable - 3 mbit, 15 mbit and 30 mbit Cable connection, usually shared pool of bandwidth with people from same block of flats. Ok, you get 80% speed on a good day, but when many people are downloading, expect 20% of the promised speeds. Again, Government monitors your download activity.

Yes, you can see uber fast speeds when the guys in S'porean forums post up their "1 MByte" download speeds on their torrents. It won't last long. Either they'll be hunted down, or, throttled soon enough. If its too good to be true, it probably is!

+Newbie+ got it absolutely right. Majority of BT users will be happy with 5 or 10GB a day (RM 128/188). If TM Net can guarantee full 4mbit speeds consistently, then its really worth it. IN a month, you can get up to 150 to 300 GB of stuff, enough to fill up a hard disk.

Bro Tgr, I mentioned 10GB / day for 30 days a month! That's 300 GB total transfers. The difference is, instead of allowing users to use all 300 GB quota on the first 10 days, this system / model allows users to enjoy fast consistent speeds throughout the month. Plus, it won't strain the system. Meaning, TM Net's new international capacity (my source says upgraded from 18gbit in 2005 to 36 gbit international links by jan 2007) won't be stressed too much.

Still confused? Try to re-read my posts above regarding total usage PER DAY.

The purpose of charging users by data transferred is so that extreme leechers who use almost all the bandwidth are being on level playing grounds. This means, more bandwidth can be freed so that an average user can get 4 mbit speeds.

The only way to achieve this is to cap usage! Realistically, 5GB and 10GB per day, are more than sufficient for so called "heavy" BT users. With this model, only 0.01% of extreme users will be disappointed, whilst heavy users pay RM 128 / 188 like they should!

Lets vote for a poll on how much bandwidth you need per day. Keep in mind the results WILL be skewed since this is a tech website and we are all uber 1337 h4x0rs.

Hardware to limit bandwidth quota can be easily implemented. Assuming we have 200,000 Streamyx users, we'll need a farm of about 100 xServe or Dell rack mount servers to handle the load. No problem, shouldn't be more than rm 300,000. Its just basic data collection on downloads. I think some newer systems might already have the capacity in place. Just need to implement it.

Tgr, the problem is that we have been SEVERELY underpaying TM nut for the amount of bandwidth we use. Seriously, seriously underpaying. Its the government's pressure to increase broadband penetration that causes this lack of bandwidth. So TM nut has been over-selling the bandwidth by a factor of at least 20!!

Ok, so we've got the numbers now... just cap us accordingly lah! I'd rather have consistent fast speeds rather than 10KB/s on BT downloads. Waste electricity and spoil the computer only! Not to mention causing us, the users frustration!

about 24-36 months ago, there has been heavy promotion of b/band usage right? its just a government tactic... becuz if more ppl in our country use "broadband"... its good for our statistical numbers. Foreign investors will be more confident and trust our country.

its basic economics - push fake numbers, people trust whatever crap statistics governments publish. so, basically their strategy was to sign up as many users as possible. countries like aus, sg, swe, chn, jp etc all have high broadband penetration. it sorta gives foreigners fake confidence and assurance.. so yeah. its a conspiracy.

fast forward october 2006. severe bandwidth shortage. every 1 mbit of international pipe is AT LEAST shared by 100 streamyx users. normal ISPs have a 1:10 ratio, which assumes that not EVERYONE downloads maximum speed all the time. Poor thing is, Malaysians are smart and know how to Limewire and Torrent. So basically the line is really darn saturated. Instead of your usual 1mbit, you might be seeing 100kbit for example. That's how bad our situation is.

Unlimited is a very general word. It could mean unlimited data transfer, unlimited online time, or anything else. Technically they're not cheating you if they decide to ammend their TOS and implement data caps. There's a clause which gives them power to do so. As consumers, we are f*ked, its take it or leave it! TM Nut is therefore a monopoly, in every sense of the word.

yes, I sound like someone working for TM nut, but basically i'm just trying to raise awareness about why one shouldn't f*k tm nut unnecessarily becuz of small small things like slow speeds. yes, its frustrating, but we have to be tolerant to be considered a mature nation. Otherwise, we're no better than 3rd world countries.

Hey, remember the petrol price rise? A decade ago, we were paying RM 1.10/litre. Factor in inflation, it should be about RM 1.20 right? Hahaha... we're paying RM 1.92 because OPEC nations are bloody greedy. Those f*kers want more Ferraris and Lambos in their garages as well as to feed their 10s of mistresses and 100s of children! They're playing with the oil price becuz, they're controlling it! If u don't pay them premium for their liquid gold, then... why should they sell it to you?

People like Japan are willing to pay more for this stuff. Makes you think where our Petronas money goes to, huh??

While it may sound smart right now, sooner TM Nut will run out of bandwidth anyways, cuz these Usenet servers are in Europe, China or U.S. Ultimately, the links will get congested so, all services will die anyway! Might as well impose bandwidth caps now, so you can torrent all you want - within reason.

look, Australian economy is so much stronger than Malaysia's. What's wrong with comparing to them? You think that our neighbouring countries all have high limits and unlimited data caps? Nonsense! They're as worried about Torrents, P2P and other stuff.

If you move to China or Singapore for example, and you download your 200GB-500GB a month, surely you'll get a letter from your ISP about "abuse". Here at least they haven't threatened you yet!! lol.. Japan and S. Korea is the exception because all of Asia's pipes to the U.S (Where everything happens...) happen to pass through them, so they've got multiple OC-768 capable lines across the Pacific. Sweden is becuz the government is comparatively very clean and really pushing for IT advancements.

100mbit swedish pipes ultimately gets bottlenecked at 5mbit to American lines. Trust me. Japs might get 10mbit to America, that's it. America, well, FIOS and Optimum Online are in the 15mbit ballpark, so I'd say that they only thing limiting THEM is the server capacity.

Imagine a 100mbit connection SERVER SIDE feeding 1000s of 10mbit lines!? How is that possible? The internet is shared. If you want crazy P2P / Web speeds, hop onto the Internet2. Now limited to Edu only, but soon going public. I2 STARTS at 100mbit speeds and GigE is the norm. So lots of unis in the I2 project get TRUE 100mbit P2P speeds 24/7. Makes you wanna study in the States, right??

I think the TM Net should get connectivity to I2.

1 gigE in 2007 upgrading to 10 gigE in 2008. Lol, all our torrent cravings will be satisfied.

It works out to be US$48/mbit for 10GigE!

This post has been edited by prasys: Oct 26 2006, 03:11 PM

The big issue with Malaysia is that, we are the piracy capital of Asia. Like it or not, we p4wn even China in terms of %P2P traffic / %total traffic. Malaysians are pretty averagely smart. They know what Bit Torrent is. They want to watch American TV series, anime, Chinese serials, cartoons, download full versions of s/wares. I'm sure we have twice as many percentage of the population who are broadband subscribers and know how to suck bandwidth.

Obviously TM forgot to take this into consideration when offering their packages. They assumed 1:10 bandwidth contention ratio should be sufficient, like most nations including piracy-laden China, or technologically-matured nations like Singapore, Japan, South Korea, UK and Europe. We are still babies in the internet life cycle, so to speak.

Right now, our 1mbit lines are shared with at least 100 other people during peak hours. We simply do not have the capacity. It wasn't planned 3-5 years ago when TM Management and IT guys sat down and decided the RM 88 / 1 mbit / unlimited price point. Obviously the intention is that we can chat 24/7 without worrying about phone bills. We want to be technologically advanced like our neighbours.

But due to this P2P-craving factor that they didn't take seriously, our international pipes became too squished. If there is a window of opportunity for a serious legal challenge to sue TM Net, I'm sure Karpal Singh and all those pissed of lawyer Streamyx users would launch a class-action lawsuit of some sort. If their chances of winning are high, then surely someone must have thought of it, and made frontpage news. No, its not happening. Think about the possible reasons why.

TM worded their contract so sneakily that we cannot push them. You want something that is 90% efficient, and bandwidth is available to you 24/7, like I said, TM offers Direct. Go enquire about bringing a line to your home.

The state of home broadband is terrible, I agree. But then again, there's nothing TM can do without closing shop! Nothing. Unless they throttle. Don't worry, if their promises come true, they'll double their 18gbit capacity to a more decent 36gbit. TIME has some serious fiber, so if the management knows what to do, they'll implement it as necessary.

I think we should cut TM some slack. I'm sure right this moment, many crews of contractors are digging holes, marketing staff are negotiating bringing in more international bandwidth to Malaysia. They don't like to be internationally known as a sucky ISP. They are doing something about it. It just takes time. Its like teaching a stupid spastic boy how to do algebra. It takes lots of time, ok? And it won't happen overnight.

If you think you know how to manage TM, by all means, go ahead! Try running a company, morphware. Just try it.

oh, btw.. there is something wrong with your connection, and its not related to this nationwide BT cap. ON HTTP / Mail / MSN / FTP traffic, I get a full 160KB/s on my connection, most of the time. Need proof? Sometimes u gotta check your config.. Then again, my area could be lucky and yours, not so lucky!

Oh, and your e-mails must be huge! 10KB/s not enough for you. Perhaps you waited an hour for it to download? Damn... that's 36megs assuming an hour's worth of waiting. Hope you have gmail

Hey, Malaysia is a free nation (almost)... if you don't like Streamyx, get the Maxis 3G home broadband thingy. Onlly RM 68 / mth, no time limits!! Available anywhere, modem cost rental included!!! NO PHONE LINE NEEDED!!! NO NEED TO DEAL WITH F*KING TM!!! Nice 3GB cap per month OR go with Jaring BB or Webbit or Time Shyt. Gluck, mate.

o/t: You know what i noticed in school? people are more frustrated becuz their daily supply of puretna.com is lessened with this torrent cap. Must be lah, or else why they're so moody and emotional??? Hahaha....

This post has been edited by excit3: Oct 27 2006, 06:31 PM

Statistics lie. Everyone knows that! Numbers can be manipulated to lie. Lets say a Mafia statistics study came out in 3 different countries...

In Brazil, they say Italy has highest % of mafia / population.
In Italy, their study claim China is the mafia king.
In China, they claim Afghanistan.

Are you to say these 3 reputable (assuming...) studies are all wrong? Partly. Maybe the Brazilian study is referring to mafia:population ratio And the Italian study is referring to number of TOTAL mafias and the China study is referring to the net impact of mafias, and the severity.

BSA's numbers might be partly true, but if you think about it, we should think in terms of % of pirates / % of population, because that's what ultimately determines congestion and saturation. To put simply, imagine this:

PRETEND that in China, there are 1000 net users (sample size). All 1000 of them are office workers who go to Cybercafes and all they do is chat on MSN. The measured usage per month, 10GB for everyone per month. 10GB/month is good enough for China.

PRETEND that in Malaysia, the study take 1000 users, this time from LowYat forum. We download all the shyt there is on BT. We need at least 10GB down a day per member! Shove out the calculator and you'll see that's 300 Tera! (40 times more!)

This sort of surveys take samples, so its not a true reflection. You need to use your analytical and logical skills when coming to conclusions when looking at data sets.

malaysia has 0.025 b people. There are 6 b people. Do the math. Of course we'll need to connect to the world to get our "stuff". I can't tell you what i'm DL now, but I see about 40 peers. About 7 of them are Malaysians. If your statistical analysis is right, 17.5% of P2P users in world are Malaysians (!) And you know its not true. And it does not mean Timbuktu or Australia doesn't use P2P because they're not on my peerlist.

RM 88 is only about US$25. Seriously, how much b/width can you get for that money? The only way is to oversubscribe / commit lah! Think of all the external and operating costs associated with running an ISP, and I'd dare say that only US$2.50 of our fees is budgeted for international pipes. Ok, lets collect 2,000 lowyat members and with this US$2.50 each , go to Cogent, Global Crossing, Level 3 and tell them "Hey dudes, we want 2 Gbit bandwidth to feed our Torrent-lust".

US$5,000 buys a 0.1 Gbit pipe at best, and you gotta transport the bandwidth from U.S. or Jap, or SG to Malaysia, further additional costs to light up the fiber.

Its nice to have network specialists looking at the network. If TM decides to do this, (*and I'm sure they have), they will disable / pretend a network maintanance on the bottom 90% of Streamyx bandwidth users and only let the top 10% users connect to the network to stress test. I'm sure even with our multi-gigabit international bandwidth capacity, they'll see their graphs at 90-95% utilisation, even with 90% of Malaysian Streamyx subscribers DISABLED! Haha, that's how serious it is. Ok, so the techies found out, they have their meetings, what can they do? Since you have CEO / management experience, especially in Network some more, go help them kautim lah! Talk is easy, actions are a different ballgame altogether!

Responsibility? Monopoly provider? Who is to say Microsoft is wrong, if Uncle Bill decides to sell everything to Steve Jobs for US$1 and retire a happy life? Microsoft will chap-lup (close shop) and 80% of the world's computer users will be left in the dark? Is Microsoft socially irresponsible? Maybe. Are they wrong? OF COURSE NOT! They are not your slaves ok?? You don't pay them RM 88 so that they MUST sell you expensive international bandwidth at peanuts!

IASP or whatever crap that is, yes its nice on paper. Emron, Mc Donald's, almost everyone has this similar crap about their policy and vision and shyt. SO what? Doesn' mean Emron is clean. Doesn't mean Mc Donald's REALLY REALLY comply with their standards. This is a sinful world, i mean, there's no perfection.

Haha, you'll be surprised on how many lawyers pirate stuff. I personally know many, and yes.. they buy their $10 DVDs along teh pasar malam as well. The cops too, we are Malaysians, we pirate! The problem gets worse as we are so cheapskate that we need to download it via Torrent. The net is meant for education, information and exchange of information (communication), it has turned into a piracy trading den! The problem is particularly worse in Malaysia. That's it.

You're probably a network engineer. I understand your frus. Administering 100s of users with a 4mbit corporate pipe (at best) and all of them want fast download speeds. Amatuers!! If a company in the U.S. has 100s of employees, they'll call up Cogent or Level 3 and get a 100mbit company line (specially for downloading big files) for a mere US$1000/mth, peanuts compared to what TM has to pay for bandwidth.

Btw, I never mentioned you're a schoolboy. Sorry if you perceived that way and I've offended.

May I suggest using EventID 4226 patch? Regular Windows XP updates will cause max connections to be limited to 10 (even though you have hacked it earlier). Otherwise try updating your modem and router's firmware to hack it to enable more simultaneous connections. Just a suggestion.



See, its like I've just bought a Ferrari and bashing it kaw-kaw! Compain that top speed is only 250km/h, suspension too stiff, steering too heavy, braking not responsive, interior looks cheap, legroom insufficient... BUT WE ULTIMATELY LIKE IT, and WE DON'T WANNA BUY A TOYOTA OR SOME OTHER SHYT CUZ ITS "NOT SUITED FOR YOU". hahaha, irony isn't it? I'm not saying Streamyx is as good as Ferrari for ISPs, but you get the point. Its easy to point mistakes, and when we're enjoying the 100KB/s for years, we never complained a bit!

I'm into Finance. So I'll be making Financial decisions when I graduate. Marketing doesn't interest me. But I appreciate your good wishes.

Yupp... Ferrari refunding your RM 4 mil because it doesn't live up to your expections It sucks when we can't do anything. But as per topic, Download Caps are the way to go!

Hope you don't mind some kiddy insults:




"School kids google. Net Savvy people read WSJ, Wikipedia, Digg and THG"




A bigger HAHAHAHAHHA to you, bro! You know TM Net sucks balls, but still stick with them. Its like my wife is abusing and cheating on me, but NOOOOO.... I still love her and wanna be with her because she's a monopoly! Or, putting all your money on Liverpool to win the EPL this season! (peace, cops!!!)

[sidenote]
I wrote to TM about their bandwidth capping. They're smart. They replied that they do not cap anything, which I really truly believe them. The possible explanations are:

1. TM's tier 1 bandwidth providers are capping / shaping, maybe in Singapore, maybe elsewhere. But the link from your computer -> TM -> TM's international gateway, that is uncapped / unthrottled.

2. Priority. Capping and restructuring priority are two different things. You see 160KB/s downloads on HTTP and other protocols. BT protocol has been put to EXTREMELY low priority. So sometimes you see decent speeds to American peers on your Torrents, but most of the time, you can still connect to them, but its very slow.

But +newbie+, for the past 2-3 years before the throttling, you were getting an Enzo. Only now, the performance is like Wira... and you still want your RM 4mil!

Yeah.. just sit back and enjoy! Come January, if they still don't buck up, then I'll start my own ISP!

Since we were at Wira at the very beginning, why is there so much complaints now that our performance has dropped to that of a 10 year old Wira? Not much difference right?

Thing is, deep down inside, we've been enjoying our Enzo for the past 2-3 years, now TM seems to be robbing us of what we deserve. But do we deserve 90% efficient 1mbit lines 24/7/365 for RM 88 montly?

The consumer would say "hell yes!". The business and management people would say, "F*ck, WHAT??????" and the unbiased person will say, "Lets compromise; lets cap by data usage."

A little article I wrote. Hopefully it will be published on front page!!

Solution for TM Bandwidth Problems
by excit3 (exciting.spam@gmail.com)

Sunday, 28th October 2006

Hey, I can't control what you say, think or want to think. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, your and mine included. If you think of me that way, so be it!

Nice idea. It was thought of by many ISPs who cap long ago. People complained about the high montly bandwidth bills. So it wasn't a popular option. Maybe that can be an option, you tick a checkbox and TM will charge you accordingly.

I'm the type of people who offers solutions. I'm not the average Malaysian who f*cks this and that and DEMAND a resolution from the offended party. If my boss comes to me, tells me a problem, I don't go dissing him and wishing he would die a painful death. I just tell him what I think it can and should be resolved? Got a problem with that, dude?

My stance is clear. I acknowledge a problem and I offer a solution. It doesn't mean I love TM at all. I'm quite neutral, but I believe with this bandwidth caps, I will love this ISP who brought me American TV series, American pr0n and South Park week in week out. I love TM for that.

I never said nor implied that your opinions stink. I love to hear what you have to say. I want to be like Abdullah, let Dr. M (you) do the talking and not rebutting you line-by-line so that I can give one clear and un-contradictory statement and let it be over with. Goodluck with your lawyers, and if you don't appear on front page news in 7 days time, then you're a big bluff! Everyone here has evidence and will just laugh you off! Proof me wrong, dude....


Whoa.. you're a server admin and don't even know how a Network works? You think you have a direct connection via Streamyx to your servers in Shah Alam?? Heck no. Its your computer -> your modem -> your DSLAM -> hop 1 -> Kelana / Cyber -> hop 2 -> hop 3 -> some router -> some other ISP -> some other ISP's mama's router -> some server -> some bandwidth provider -> your server provider -> your server.

ANYTHING CAN GO F*KING WRONG in between ok? And its totally wrong to diss TM becuz of that.

I have Maybank and RHB. Neither 404'ed on me. Must be your connection, you're pushing your Max TCP with your plethora of server services!!! All your connections (100 or 200 TCP) are probably idle / dead.. meaning all connections at around 0 K/s. So that's the root cause, I suspect.

Cool. You won't believe anyway, but my dad owns a computer shop and I have at least 4 different brands of modem to test at any given time as well as high end Linksys, Dlink, and Belkin shyt. But that doesn't matter. If your physical phone wire to the pole stinks, then no Cisco router can save you. Haven't thought of that, have you? I know you told me about SNR and attenuation, but line, node and local network conditions are more than that.

I love to break the speed limit. I love to zoom in the NPE, NKVE, Kesas, bring it on, baby! Caps are there for a reason. And if you're too noob to figure out, then you're just wasting EVERYONE on lowyat's breathe trying to explain to you that, as well as matters pertaining to bandwidth costs.

Gnite, mate!

Proving you wrong is now my full-time job at lowyat.net forums! But I'm loving every moment of it! So, here we go!!!!!



The plans look / seem confusing to you? Even a 12 year old know what the numbers mean. Bad argument! You have a budget of RM 80k for a car and you want a Ferrari? Opening up to "last mile" is SUCH A GOOD IDEA. No, I'm not being sarcastic. It would be a win-win for TM.... Jaring, Time and Maxis can use TM's copper... at the same time, TM can charge them RM 50 /month premium, for example for the use. Who is to say TM cannot do that??? OF cuz they can! They open certain areas to Jaring, and see how Jaring DSL is doing?? Quite a failure, right?

TM can't just open "last mile" to any Ali, Abu and Ahmad! If not, these small companies will make losses for TM and piss off their customers. I doubt any of these other broadband providers have the capacity that comes close to one tenth of what TM has. TM is the market leader. Just ask users of PenangFon, LightSpeed and all other "fiber wannabe" companies. They're hurting because of P2P, and you know it!

I'm voting for Digi to come into this BB game. Alas, the government is limiting foreign investment in local monopolised industries. What to do?



Yours is an isolated case. Get a technician to change your telephone cable to the pole and to wire it correctly. If all else fail, dump TM. You have a freedom to choose. Use Maxis 3G or Digi EDGE unlimited. If its better than TM, then you stick with it lah!

F*ck. You are seriously disillusioned dude. What have you been smoking? P2P is known for piracy. 99.99% of P2P traffic are for pirating stuff. I know of Revision 3, and Hak5.org, or TheScene and other genuine IPTV firms who distribute via P2P (Torrent specifically). Even game developers use it to distribute their games and update patches. Even with that factored in, 99.99% of P2P traffic is illegal! Where have you been the past 3 years? This argument is the worse defence in the book! Its like... the "temporary insanity" argument for murder... yes, you might be successful, but rehab is worse than going to prison for 50 years. Its total idiocy!



ADSL 2+ is in trial now as we speak. Ridzual Condo and few others have it. Check out jeffooi.com .. IPTV is 100% local traffic - we have hundreds of gigabit of local connectivity, don't worry.... but your supply of pr0n (and other torrent) is from overseas, thus it goes through our 18 gbit international link bottleneck. Your DSLAM is more than capable of supporting IPTV. TM just upgraded the equipment down my street to support ADSL 2+ and so far, so good.

Do you work for a marketing firm? Damn, you have bloody fancy marketing terminologies! Other people would say, "he more bandwidth that is available the more we can download more warez and pr0n". F*ck. You're different!



Re-read my previous post. When they thought up of the 1mbit / rm 88 / unlimited plan, they FORGOT to factor in P2P being so rampant. Normal ISPs 1:10 bandwidth contention ratio. TM Nut is now doing 1:100 , so obviously there has to be slowdowns. Easy to say right, just add bandwidth? You think your grandfather owns all the Tier 1 ISPs ah, so freely give you additional bandwidth. Actually, bwidth is cheap, its just transporting all that capacity to Malaysia. You'll be spending hundreds of millions of Ringgit to lay undersea submarine cables to Japan / Korea!




What? Your paragraph doesn't make any sense.

TM's profit hasn't been all rosy. The bulk comes from their fixed line service. It cost them about RM 1 to maintain our phone lines but our "Sewa Bulanan" is about RM 25. TM's internet business is making a loss / just breaking even. Broadband is heavily subsidised in Malaysia - as well as other parts of the world. Cept in Malaysia, the government doesn't see a need to give us 10 mbit lines yet.

I lived in one of our ASEAN neighbouring countries (obviously not Singapore). Their broadband speeds NOW is: 512 kbit - "unlimited", but the speeds are roughly 64kb/s real life - RM 250/mth. You think I'm crapping? PM me and I'll tell you which provider it is. Discount Singapore, and Malaysia's broadband situation is the 2nd BEST amongst ASEAN countries. Sleep on it.