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post Mar 27 2023, 01:46 PM

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Do you know any runners that can do drawing and approval for kitchen extension for Majlis Daerah Kuala Langat?
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post Apr 25 2023, 04:26 PM

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Hi can I ask for shoplots wall breaking, which plan and approval is needed for it?
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post Apr 25 2023, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(IAmLejen @ Apr 25 2023, 04:26 PM)
Hi can I ask for shoplots wall breaking, which plan and approval is needed for it?
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hai there, it depends on which council/ majlis ...standard architecture demolition and new partition layout plan.. signed by the architect / or registered draftman

E.g
If under DBKL - submit pelan sekatan dalaman. (jabatan perancang bandar)
plan will be rejected if
a) want to break party walls (neighbouring wall)
b) adding new additional floor area from existing floor area.
c) To remain only 1 type of business / office in the particular lot. If got 2-3 company in the same lot... will be rejected.

If shoplot / retail in shopping mall..... another different type of submission.


e.g
if under MBPJ-borang permohonan pembahuruan sekatan dinding dalaman.

can refer photo for reference..

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ridhuan
post Apr 26 2023, 02:24 PM

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Hi, I'm an interior designer and helping my client to renovate their house, which is to close off the yard to make part of the interior of the house.

Do you think I need to hire architect for submission or just under permit kerja kecil?

Thanks

Existing:
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Proposed:
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- Skylight
- full height wall
- security door

Additional info:

Client told me that he already did an extension on the wet kitchen in 2011, but the architect never submitted the plan so he don't have CCC from the previous renovation works.

What is the best action for me and the client moving forward?
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post Apr 27 2023, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(ridhuan @ Apr 26 2023, 02:24 PM)
Hi, I'm an interior designer and helping my client to renovate their house, which is to close off the yard to make part of the interior of the house.

Do you think I need to hire architect for submission or just under permit kerja kecil?

Thanks

Existing:
user posted image

Proposed:
user posted image

- Skylight
- full height wall
- security door

Additional info:

Client told me that he already did an extension on the wet kitchen in 2011, but the architect never submitted the plan so he don't have CCC from the previous renovation works.

What is the best action for me and the client moving forward?
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this is what we call pelan setara... certain council have this pelan setara.. but still need to get architect or registered draftman to endorse the plan.
since owner did not apply for CCC or even have a approve renovation plan , he or she may be summited to a penalty....need to check as well the requirements during submission. If they request a CCC cert copy or the original sales and purchased documents showing the original layout then my have some problems during submission. worst case... you need to redraw back the kitchen extension including with the new additional yard upgrading works. resubmit as new works and pay penalty as well and submit as pelan kelulusan ubahsuai rumah... then once complete.. can apply for C.C.C.....

hope this help

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QUOTE(ArchId @ Apr 27 2023, 01:08 AM)
this is what we call pelan setara... certain council have this pelan setara.. but still need to get architect or registered draftman to endorse the plan.
since owner did not apply for CCC or even have a approve renovation plan , he or she may be summited to a penalty....need to check as well the requirements during submission. If they request a CCC cert copy or the original sales and purchased documents showing the original layout then my have some problems during submission. worst case... you need to redraw back the kitchen extension including with the new additional yard upgrading works. resubmit as new works and pay penalty as well and submit as pelan kelulusan ubahsuai rumah... then once complete.. can apply for C.C.C.....

hope this help

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Thank you for the reply. Yes the client showed me the architect's submission plan during their last renovation works but the owner said it was never submitted and didnt get the CCC. So you suggest I take the drawing and proceed from there for this new extension works?
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post Apr 27 2023, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(ridhuan @ Apr 27 2023, 06:20 PM)
Thank you for the reply. Yes the client showed me the architect's submission plan during their last renovation works but the owner said it was never submitted and didnt get the CCC. So you suggest I take the drawing and proceed from there for this new extension works?
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Yeap.. you can consider as if you are doing the submission for the kitchen extension as well and add on the yard extension.
If kitchen extension sqft is small area , then penalty imposed will not be as much … still can appeal for reduce penalty ….depending on your justification….

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post May 7 2023, 04:35 AM

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A residential house land size that doesn’t come with full rectangle size but with one inside corner, that small empty space (about 5*10 square feet) is for road with a dead end within the residential area.

Wonder are we able to apply for use or purchase that piece of missing puzzle from local council?

Anyone has similar experience that mind to share?

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post May 8 2023, 07:01 PM

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hai.. my new house end lot.. and got 15kaki backyard.. under majlis Bandaraya Klang

if i wan to add as per below need permit n CCC ?

awning for car porch
new extension backyard (become wet kitchen)

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post May 9 2023, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(sleyer @ May 8 2023, 07:01 PM)
hai.. my new house end lot.. and got 15kaki backyard..  under majlis Bandaraya Klang

if i wan to add as per below need permit n CCC ?

awning for car porch
new extension  backyard (become wet kitchen)
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Hai ,
Any extension that revolve around changing of the building outlook need to apply for permit approval from your council / majlis ….about CCC… technically by law need to apply after finish renovating … technically ya … but mostly end up not applying due to additional cost of submitting for CCC…. And the end result of renovating is not the same as the approve permit drawings …..some even extended over the building setback guidelines thus CCC application is void/ not applicable …. If insist to apply , standby paying penalty and even demolish back the extended area that exceed the setback guideline

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post May 9 2023, 08:49 AM

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Hi, for MP Sepang area, if after we submit the permit application for renovation (extension of kitchen, convert master room balcony to room area, etc.) with the architect drawings
1. if the actual built is smaller than the above (example smaller extension due to budget, etc.), is it ok or we must submit amendment?
2. if the extension or renovation is done by the indos workers, will it affect the approval or CCC later?

thanks in advance.
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post May 9 2023, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(thinkgoodpositive @ May 9 2023, 08:49 AM)
Hi, for MP Sepang area, if after we submit the permit application for renovation (extension of kitchen, convert master room balcony to room area, etc.) with the architect drawings
1. if the actual built is smaller than the above (example smaller extension due to budget, etc.), is it ok or we must submit amendment?
2. if the extension or renovation is done by the indos workers, will it affect the approval or CCC later?

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hai morning...
regarding with the above issue...

yes you need to resubmit as pelan pindaan ... because if you apply for CCC, the officer in charge of that area will come and inspect.. what ever on site must be the same in the approve council drawings... in order to get CCC... owner need to resubmit as pelan pindaan/ as built drawings....but importantly the previous approve drawing that you mention must have the filing number / reference number from the current approve council drawings... i have few experience whereby owner got cheated by contractors (those say that can Kaodim the approval plan) but in reality, the drawings i saw is not up to the council standard requirements drawings. just simple A1 size drawings without stamping approval of council. So penalty imposed to owner....

regarding the extended area done by indonesian workers; it will be an issue.. some council required to submit contractor license certificate (g1-g7) and company SSM registration... others is consultant architecture , C&S cert...endorsement..

then submit borang B (Permohonan Sijil Kelayakan Menduduki Bangunan).. in the borang B got separated forms.. architect need to fill up borang G....

to sum up... yeap resubmit plan, submit borang B with all consultant already endorse then submit......

cheers mate
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QUOTE(ArchId @ May 9 2023, 09:47 AM)
hai morning...
regarding with the above issue...

yes you need to resubmit as pelan pindaan ... because if you apply for CCC, the officer in charge of that area will come and inspect.. what ever on site must be the same in the approve council drawings... in order to get CCC... owner need to resubmit as pelan pindaan/ as built drawings....but importantly the previous approve drawing that you mention must have the filing number / reference number from the current approve  council drawings... i have few experience whereby owner got cheated by contractors (those say that can Kaodim the approval plan) but in reality, the drawings i saw is not up to the council standard requirements drawings. just simple A1 size drawings without stamping approval of council.  So penalty imposed to owner....

regarding the extended area done by indonesian workers; it will be an issue.. some council required to submit contractor license certificate (g1-g7) and company SSM registration... others is consultant architecture , C&S cert...endorsement..

then submit borang B (Permohonan Sijil Kelayakan Menduduki Bangunan).. in the borang B got separated forms.. architect need to fill up borang G....

to sum up... yeap resubmit plan, submit borang B with all consultant already endorse then submit......

cheers mate
Izwan
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Thanks Izwan for the detail explanation.
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post May 30 2023, 11:55 AM

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Hi, I plan to build a room on my existing balcony using brick wall and PU metal deck roof. Contractor told me don't need to apply CCC because it is existing structure and don't involve concrete. Is that correct? Photo below for reference.


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post May 30 2023, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(kayef @ May 30 2023, 11:55 AM)
Hi, I plan to build a room on my existing balcony using brick wall and PU metal deck roof. Contractor told me don't need to apply CCC because it is existing structure and don't involve concrete. Is that correct? Photo below for reference.
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any changes towards your house that deviate from the original sales and purchase agreements....need to apply approval permit renovation extension...
CCC applicable after owner finish doing extension based on the approved council renovation extension drawings .....

you are creating another room... with all 4 wall with brick wall.. creating a new enclosed space.. .. thus new area/ room is being created....


unless your idea is to maintain a balcony with only 900mm ht brick wall all round and balance above 900mm is without any windows.. just opening.... if this is the idea than should be ok... if enclosed all 4 perimeter wall brick up.. got new metal deck.... submit to council for approval drawings....

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post May 30 2023, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(ArchId @ May 30 2023, 02:33 PM)
any changes towards your house that deviate from the original sales and purchase agreements....need to apply approval permit renovation extension...
CCC applicable after owner  finish doing extension based on the approved council renovation extension drawings .....

you are creating another room... with all 4 wall with brick wall.. creating a new enclosed space.. .. thus new area/ room is being created....
unless your idea is to maintain a balcony with only 900mm ht brick wall all round and balance above 900mm is without any windows.. just opening.... if this is the idea than should be ok... if enclosed all 4 perimeter wall brick up.. got new metal deck.... submit to council for approval drawings....

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Thanks for the reply.

Do you provide service to get the necessary permits done?
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post May 30 2023, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(kayef @ May 30 2023, 05:46 PM)
Thanks for the reply.

Do you provide service to get the necessary permits done?
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Yes .. I can only do certain council only … which indicated in my site …. Other council /majlis is just to far for me to go back and fourth to follow up …

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post May 30 2023, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(ArchId @ May 30 2023, 06:28 PM)
Yes .. I can only do certain council only … which indicated in my site …. Other council /majlis is just to far for me to go back and fourth to follow up …

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My house is under DBKL and it's not listed in your website. So you don't deal with DBKL?
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QUOTE(kayef @ May 30 2023, 10:55 PM)
My house is under DBKL and it's not listed in your website. So you don't deal with DBKL?
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Oh ya ya … DBKL yes can do … using its online submission KLIS …yours under application code B2… I didn’t put the DBKL logo in my site …. Will update later if got time .

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QUOTE(ArchId @ May 30 2023, 11:43 PM)
Oh ya ya … DBKL yes can do … using its online submission KLIS …yours under application code B2… I didn’t put the DBKL logo in my site …. Will update later if got time .

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How about if I use glass and metal to create the room like below? Again, the contractor said metal and glass structure don't need to submit plan to DBKL, can you help to clarify?

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