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post Jan 20 2020, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(jychook @ Jan 18 2020, 05:29 PM)
Hi just to share here that from 9th JanUARY 2020, DBKL have implemented that earthworks submission is needed for the building renovation that has 50% changes on the existing building and any extension that more than 3 metres extension from the original. that means more complicated process for the BP submission.
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submission for DBKL , yes have to admit, a lot of requirements to comply.. same goes to MPAJ nowadays if you decided to do demolish and rebuilt (for bungalow lot). normal renovation/extensions is still reasonable to submit and comply

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post Feb 28 2023, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(KronenZerg @ Feb 27 2023, 11:49 PM)
hello  ..  may i know how much does it cost for drawing submission to apply for the reno permit?
mine quoted -
rm3000 for drawing
rm7000 upon submission
rm3000 upon approval

am i taken for ride ..  the submission receipt is showing less than 2k?

thanks.
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If go directly to an architect firm probably in that range .and if include CCC submission.. you may end up looking about 17k-18k (for an architect firm)..... but need to know how big the renovation.. is it big reno? .under which majlis/ council?
if involve town planner , for Kebenaran Merancang (KM), (e.g adding additional level from single to double story or demolish whole building and redo back) than probably additional fee applied.
You can get lower fee if can engaged freelance architect. (but depends on the architeect as well..hahaha).. or a draftsman (pelukis plan berdaftar under LAM (lembaga architect Malaysia) ) which he the draftman cannot authorize/ sign any renovation exceeding 3000 sqft or not more than 2 story building.....


the submission receipt of 2K you mention, im assuming is not a big renovation works... because im assuming your collateral money (wang cagaran is about 1K and your process fee plan to council rm 500-600)... not including the rental of row row bin under council panel......


hope that answer your question....

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post Mar 1 2023, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(wiwi @ Mar 1 2023, 03:22 PM)
anyone knows if MBSJ has "pelan setara" , that we can buy and apply without the need to go through architect endorsement?

minor backyard reno , add awning.
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The answer is Nope..... they only provide pelan setara for the following item below

1) additional awning for carporch...not kitchen/backyard
2)Construction of brick fencing maximum 5ft height ...
3) changing roofing without any indication of extension. Change old roofing to new only
4) Adding additional secondary exterior emergency staircase

but you still need to get the plan endorse by architect / registered draftman.


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post Mar 21 2023, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(D1D @ Mar 21 2023, 10:06 AM)
What about balcony extension for 20x70 ?

Can extend balcony till to the front gate ?
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nope... you cannot have a permanent structure R.C slab extended till the boundary line... must offset certain feet (depends on which majlis) from boundary line or your gate line...

example
DBKL : open balcony must offset 1500mm (5 ft ) from boundary line
MPKJ : open balcony must offset 3000mm from boundary line
MPAJ : must offset 3000mm

they allow non permanent cantilever structure such as polycarbonate/ acp panel / roof tiles if want to extend till boundary... (certain majlis only can).. some council still need to offset from boundary line.

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post Apr 25 2023, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(IAmLejen @ Apr 25 2023, 04:26 PM)
Hi can I ask for shoplots wall breaking, which plan and approval is needed for it?
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hai there, it depends on which council/ majlis ...standard architecture demolition and new partition layout plan.. signed by the architect / or registered draftman

E.g
If under DBKL - submit pelan sekatan dalaman. (jabatan perancang bandar)
plan will be rejected if
a) want to break party walls (neighbouring wall)
b) adding new additional floor area from existing floor area.
c) To remain only 1 type of business / office in the particular lot. If got 2-3 company in the same lot... will be rejected.

If shoplot / retail in shopping mall..... another different type of submission.


e.g
if under MBPJ-borang permohonan pembahuruan sekatan dinding dalaman.

can refer photo for reference..

hope this help

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post Apr 27 2023, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(ridhuan @ Apr 26 2023, 02:24 PM)
Hi, I'm an interior designer and helping my client to renovate their house, which is to close off the yard to make part of the interior of the house.

Do you think I need to hire architect for submission or just under permit kerja kecil?

Thanks

Existing:
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Proposed:
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- Skylight
- full height wall
- security door

Additional info:

Client told me that he already did an extension on the wet kitchen in 2011, but the architect never submitted the plan so he don't have CCC from the previous renovation works.

What is the best action for me and the client moving forward?
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this is what we call pelan setara... certain council have this pelan setara.. but still need to get architect or registered draftman to endorse the plan.
since owner did not apply for CCC or even have a approve renovation plan , he or she may be summited to a penalty....need to check as well the requirements during submission. If they request a CCC cert copy or the original sales and purchased documents showing the original layout then my have some problems during submission. worst case... you need to redraw back the kitchen extension including with the new additional yard upgrading works. resubmit as new works and pay penalty as well and submit as pelan kelulusan ubahsuai rumah... then once complete.. can apply for C.C.C.....

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post Apr 27 2023, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(ridhuan @ Apr 27 2023, 06:20 PM)
Thank you for the reply. Yes the client showed me the architect's submission plan during their last renovation works but the owner said it was never submitted and didnt get the CCC. So you suggest I take the drawing and proceed from there for this new extension works?
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Yeap.. you can consider as if you are doing the submission for the kitchen extension as well and add on the yard extension.
If kitchen extension sqft is small area , then penalty imposed will not be as much … still can appeal for reduce penalty ….depending on your justification….

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post May 9 2023, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(sleyer @ May 8 2023, 07:01 PM)
hai.. my new house end lot.. and got 15kaki backyard..  under majlis Bandaraya Klang

if i wan to add as per below need permit n CCC ?

awning for car porch
new extension  backyard (become wet kitchen)
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Hai ,
Any extension that revolve around changing of the building outlook need to apply for permit approval from your council / majlis ….about CCC… technically by law need to apply after finish renovating … technically ya … but mostly end up not applying due to additional cost of submitting for CCC…. And the end result of renovating is not the same as the approve permit drawings …..some even extended over the building setback guidelines thus CCC application is void/ not applicable …. If insist to apply , standby paying penalty and even demolish back the extended area that exceed the setback guideline

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post May 9 2023, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(thinkgoodpositive @ May 9 2023, 08:49 AM)
Hi, for MP Sepang area, if after we submit the permit application for renovation (extension of kitchen, convert master room balcony to room area, etc.) with the architect drawings
1. if the actual built is smaller than the above (example smaller extension due to budget, etc.), is it ok or we must submit amendment?
2. if the extension or renovation is done by the indos workers, will it affect the approval or CCC later?

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hai morning...
regarding with the above issue...

yes you need to resubmit as pelan pindaan ... because if you apply for CCC, the officer in charge of that area will come and inspect.. what ever on site must be the same in the approve council drawings... in order to get CCC... owner need to resubmit as pelan pindaan/ as built drawings....but importantly the previous approve drawing that you mention must have the filing number / reference number from the current approve council drawings... i have few experience whereby owner got cheated by contractors (those say that can Kaodim the approval plan) but in reality, the drawings i saw is not up to the council standard requirements drawings. just simple A1 size drawings without stamping approval of council. So penalty imposed to owner....

regarding the extended area done by indonesian workers; it will be an issue.. some council required to submit contractor license certificate (g1-g7) and company SSM registration... others is consultant architecture , C&S cert...endorsement..

then submit borang B (Permohonan Sijil Kelayakan Menduduki Bangunan).. in the borang B got separated forms.. architect need to fill up borang G....

to sum up... yeap resubmit plan, submit borang B with all consultant already endorse then submit......

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post May 30 2023, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(kayef @ May 30 2023, 11:55 AM)
Hi, I plan to build a room on my existing balcony using brick wall and PU metal deck roof. Contractor told me don't need to apply CCC because it is existing structure and don't involve concrete. Is that correct? Photo below for reference.
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any changes towards your house that deviate from the original sales and purchase agreements....need to apply approval permit renovation extension...
CCC applicable after owner finish doing extension based on the approved council renovation extension drawings .....

you are creating another room... with all 4 wall with brick wall.. creating a new enclosed space.. .. thus new area/ room is being created....


unless your idea is to maintain a balcony with only 900mm ht brick wall all round and balance above 900mm is without any windows.. just opening.... if this is the idea than should be ok... if enclosed all 4 perimeter wall brick up.. got new metal deck.... submit to council for approval drawings....

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post May 30 2023, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(kayef @ May 30 2023, 05:46 PM)
Thanks for the reply.

Do you provide service to get the necessary permits done?
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Yes .. I can only do certain council only … which indicated in my site …. Other council /majlis is just to far for me to go back and fourth to follow up …

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post May 30 2023, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(kayef @ May 30 2023, 10:55 PM)
My house is under DBKL and it's not listed in your website. So you don't deal with DBKL?
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Oh ya ya … DBKL yes can do … using its online submission KLIS …yours under application code B2… I didn’t put the DBKL logo in my site …. Will update later if got time .

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post Jun 1 2023, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(kayef @ May 31 2023, 08:55 PM)
How about if I use glass and metal to create the room like below? Again, the contractor said metal and glass structure don't need to submit plan to DBKL, can you help to clarify?

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Same thing …you are changing the purpose usage of that particular area … original is an open balcony as per your original sales and purchased layout and now changing the usage to gym/ new room which is basically new enclosed space with 4 corners of full height wall / glass curtain wall ….furthermore you are extending the roofing which deviate from the original S&P plan …. Still need to submit …. If You trust your contractor you can proceeed with his idea , but if let’s say suddenly got complaints from neighbour or DBKL officer suddenly hardworking enough to do some patrolling …then get ready to kaodim or pay penalty / fine…


If small works like changing old roofing to new roofing , doing fencing gate , or internal partition still need to apply permit … permit kerja kecil …. Yours consider as extension …need to submit

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post Jun 14 2023, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(OptimusStar @ Jun 13 2023, 09:44 PM)
Anyone here doing the submission for renovation permit for MPKJ ?

Looking for one for some minor work with my home.
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please clarify in terms or minor works... if it falls under item listed below can apply permit kerja kecil

1. Menukar Kemasan Lantai Dan Bumbung
* pelan lakaran hendaklah disediakan oleh pihak pemilik
2. Memasang Grill /Tukar Pintu Dan Tingkap
* pelan lakaran hendaklah disediakan oleh pihak pemilik
3. Memasang Awning

this owner can submit themself...

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post Jun 15 2023, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(OptimusStar @ Jun 15 2023, 12:40 AM)
i have a flat surface which i want to add awning and make it like a balcony .
Would this fall under permit kerja kecil ?
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nope..that is not an awning. You adding a new roofing at 1st floor and new balcony as well as new door access to the balcony correct.. need to submit plan to MPKJ.

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post Jul 25 2023, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(Moon@Star @ Jul 25 2023, 08:09 AM)
I got a permit for back extension. Wanna ask this permit only for one time use? If few years later I want to extend front porch still need to reapply permit or can use the same permit again?
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Permit is only valid for 1 year … if the construction still not complete within a year , a renewal permit fee will be imposed and you will have to give a very good reason to convince the OSC committee on why they should approve another renewal….

The carporch extension is included in the original approval drawing BP approval ? If not , then have to submit new submission ….

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post Jul 30 2023, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(sojurn @ Jul 30 2023, 07:05 AM)
Hi all. Want to get advice on my renovation works. My house is a state title intermediate terrace.

Most of the renovation is nothing major except for one item, which is an extension of my bathroom.

The original is a space for walk in wardrobe next to the bathroom. The bathroom is being extended into the wall in wardrobe space to have a new shower area.

Sewerage systems unaffected but a new drain point will need to be created as well as rerouting the water piping in that bathroom.

Does this require DBKL permit?
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Please refer to this requirements …


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post Jul 30 2023, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(sojurn @ Jul 30 2023, 04:02 PM)
Thank you ArchId and Phyarc.

From the reading of the form; besides the property details and pics, it is mainly to see the commissioner of oaths and sign off. Is that right?
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Yeap correct , and the floor plan demarcation of area on what works going to be affected …. Depending on the officer also if they ask

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post Jul 31 2023, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(Scholomance @ Jul 30 2023, 04:47 PM)
Hey all, am planning to do an extension of my new intermediate 22x70 residential lot backyard (for wet kitchen); extend by a further 5" width x 22" length x 12" height, fully covered with red brick wall and roof.

Looking for advice on the permit procedure under MPAJ guidelines.. if I plan to do the submissions on my own, do I need to engage a LAM draftsman to endorse my plan first then submit the endorsed plan to MPAJ for approval?

Already have a prospective contractor but not sure how the interaction between contractor and the draftsman will be like etc... contractor knows my exact plan but if i engage draftsman need to have another round of site visit and measuring by draftsman? What if draftsman has different technical advice vs contractor? Sorry total noob here and confused with different advice from multiple parties...
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Good day
Terrace house for kitchen extension ground floor ..MpaJ have their pelan setara - standard renovation plan … need to buy the book RM 30.000 ….if your new extension kitchen roof is RC flat roof then need to do a proper B.P (building plan submission) and required engineer endorsement drawing as well… if normal roof tiles … you may use the pelan Setara book….

This is for terrace house only … semi-D/ bungalow can’t use this book…

And you need a PSP ( Principal Submitting Person ) to do this and for the submission as well ….
Your Registered draftman can submit and endorse since it’s only a kitchen extension …

Normal practise is the appointed person need to go to your house and do survey and to check if the existing and new extension area can comply within the MPAJ guidelines…

I suggest you go and pay MPAJ a visit and check the pelan Setara book first and see your extension can use their standard renovation pelan …. Save some $$$$$ interms of preparation of drawings….

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QUOTE(jenova @ Sep 8 2023, 07:02 PM)
Hi Sifu-sifu..Would like to ask ya...the location is KL (Under DBKL).

When we do reno, can we increase the floor ceiling height? Because old designs always come with low ceilings...if currently the 2sty house (end-lot) per floor ceiling is about 8ft only... Can i change it to 10ft or 12ft high ceiling per floor when do reno? 

Besides, can rebuild to become 3sty? What is the requirement to do this?

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good day mate.

answer

1) The ground and 1st floor must follow standard height according to the original development.. must follow the rest of your neighbor standard unit height
2) The new floor ( 2nd floor or 3storey ) can adjust to a maximum 3500mm height -2nd floor slab to top of roof beam level ......
3) Total height must not exceed 12 meter from ground floor level up to highest pitch roof level.... (must inlcude top of roof level)
4) Requirements- need to prepare drawings to the following department and get approval
a) approval plan building control department (JKB)
b) approval plan town planning department (JPRB)
c) approval plan engineering department

hope this answer your question

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