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post Sep 29 2021, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(Phyarc @ Sep 28 2021, 03:42 PM)
If you want to comply,
1) Check with local municipal if any pelan setara for this, as it is walling up small area under existing RC porch roof, without affecting neighbour and without new structure. Generally front setback is 20' unless it is DBKL area 15'.
2) If no pelan setara, then need licensed architect or registered draughtsperson to submit plan.
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Alright, thanks for the info...
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post Sep 30 2021, 06:01 PM

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Sorry gang, out of topic awhile.

Normally landed front gate got small grass area at the side right, if we install Dato Kong there, izit legal or illegal or need any permit?

Thank you!!! Newbie here

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post Oct 1 2021, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(Imzoom @ Sep 30 2021, 06:01 PM)
Sorry gang, out of topic awhile.

Normally landed front gate got small grass area at the side right, if we install Dato Kong there, izit legal or illegal or need any permit?

Thank you!!! Newbie here
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within house compound or on the road side?
if install ready type, no need permit.
if built on site type, by right a minor works permit is required.
those on the road side should be required to pay for TOL.
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post Oct 1 2021, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(Phyarc @ Oct 1 2021, 12:12 AM)
within house compound or on the road side?
if install ready type, no need permit.
if built on site type, by right a minor works permit is required.
those on the road side should be required to pay for TOL.
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Thank you sifu!
Plan to do at grass area there


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post Oct 1 2021, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(Imzoom @ Oct 1 2021, 10:08 AM)
Thank you sifu!
Plan to do at grass area there
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This is outside the house compartment, Im afraid you are not allowed to. even if you can, you will need to get permit.


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post Oct 1 2021, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(KLKN_Views @ Oct 1 2021, 12:02 PM)
This is outside the house compartment, Im afraid you are not allowed to. even if you can, you will need to get permit.
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Thanks for the clarification sifu! Thank you thank you
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post Oct 6 2021, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(Phyarc @ Sep 28 2021, 03:01 PM)
RC = reinforced concrete, GI = galvanised iron

Supposed to follow exactly, or else may have difficulty to get deposit refund. When renovation is completed, and you notify MBSA to come for inspection, they will check if construction followed the plan before refunding deposit. If don't follow, they may ask to rectify till it is according to the plan before refund. Interpretation can vary from person to person. Some officer more lenient, eg. as long as you meet minimum 15% ventilation...while some officer more strict but don't deviate too much. If you are not inviting them to inspect and willing to part with deposit then different story...
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From the picture i have attached, left is Pelan Setara and right is my design.

1) Key differences is i have wider window and also exit door location does not align with Pelan Setara
2) I did not extend the toilet like pelan setara, so no toilet window on the facade
3) I break a wall internally and replaced with Glass Partition

With the changes above, will i consider non compliance? If it advisable to still get Pelan Setara or to get someone qualified to re-draw? I remember reading somewhere that MBSA do have services to draw for few hundred but can't find that information anymore

QUOTE(utellme @ Sep 28 2021, 03:19 PM)
I went to buy my setara plan this morning. you can refer to 3.4.4 the rule mentioned window size area must be at least 10% of the ruang tambahan. 

R.C gutter is concrete customize gutter and easily cost additional RM60-RM80 per feet run , I guess.   Not recommended unless you have no other option.
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I planned to goto MBSA next week as they have now allowed walk in. Hope they still have pelan setara in stock. By the way, flat concrete roof is not in the plan right?
Did you go with tiles roof?

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post Oct 7 2021, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(JasonTheGreat @ Oct 6 2021, 09:21 AM)
From the picture i have attached, left is Pelan Setara and right is my design.

1) Key differences is i have wider window and also exit door location does not align with Pelan Setara
2) I did not extend the toilet like pelan setara, so no toilet window on the facade
3) I break a wall internally and replaced with Glass Partition

With the changes above, will i consider non compliance? If it advisable to still get Pelan Setara or to get someone qualified to re-draw? I remember reading somewhere that MBSA do have services to draw for few hundred but can't find that information anymore
I planned to goto MBSA next week as they have now allowed walk in. Hope they still have pelan setara in stock. By the way, flat concrete roof is not in the plan right?
Did you go with tiles roof?
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I opt for root tile with RC gutter bcos my house backyard only 5 feet depth (current rear building wall to boundary). Flat roof is not within standard plan guideline or option. you need to have a architect ubahsuai drawing plan and RC drawing for flat roof or take the risk to prepare for saman.
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post Oct 7 2021, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(utellme @ Oct 7 2021, 01:20 PM)
I opt for root tile with RC gutter bcos my house backyard only 5 feet depth (current rear building wall to boundary).  Flat roof is not within standard plan guideline or option.  you need to have a architect ubahsuai drawing plan and RC drawing for flat roof or take the risk to prepare for saman.
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Just wanted to share ideas that I did for some. Reinforced concrete roof slab with a pitch roof on top of it (for Buku Setara application) for future extension of 1st floor.
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post Oct 7 2021, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(Q.V.RK @ Oct 7 2021, 01:26 PM)
Just wanted to share ideas that I did for some. Reinforced concrete roof slab with a pitch roof on top of it (for Buku Setara application) for future extension of 1st floor.
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Sound like a good idea to comply to MBSA 👍🏼Just that price also higher
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post Oct 7 2021, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(utellme @ Oct 7 2021, 01:20 PM)
I opt for root tile with RC gutter bcos my house backyard only 5 feet depth (current rear building wall to boundary).  Flat roof is not within standard plan guideline or option.  you need to have a architect ubahsuai drawing plan and RC drawing for flat roof or take the risk to prepare for saman.
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Same here. Mine is 4.5ft after taking 1 feet off for brickwall
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QUOTE(JasonTheGreat @ Oct 7 2021, 01:49 PM)
Sound like a good idea to comply to MBSA 👍🏼Just that price also higher
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It's cheaper if there's any plan to extend first floor instead of redo the existing ground floor extension for first floor extension. Just few columns and brickwall, can even reuse the pitch roof for first floor extension.
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post Oct 7 2021, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(Q.V.RK @ Oct 7 2021, 01:26 PM)
Just wanted to share ideas that I did for some. Reinforced concrete roof slab with a pitch roof on top of it (for Buku Setara application) for future extension of 1st floor.
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This is good in away that future water leaking is minimum and also convenient for installing additional water tank in case our water disruption more often in future. But installing RC roof slab will cost more, my house backyard extension is 160 SF therefore easily cost RM11K+ more.
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QUOTE(JasonTheGreat @ Oct 6 2021, 09:21 AM)
From the picture i have attached, left is Pelan Setara and right is my design.

1) Key differences is i have wider window and also exit door location does not align with Pelan Setara
2) I did not extend the toilet like pelan setara, so no toilet window on the facade
3) I break a wall internally and replaced with Glass Partition

With the changes above, will i consider non compliance? If it advisable to still get Pelan Setara or to get someone qualified to re-draw? I remember reading somewhere that MBSA do have services to draw for few hundred but can't find that information anymore
I planned to goto MBSA next week as they have now allowed walk in. Hope they still have pelan setara in stock. By the way, flat concrete roof is not in the plan right?
Did you go with tiles roof?
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Since you are going to MBSA, better get answer straight from the horse's mouth. You don't want to submit under pelan setara only to find out later that the approval is cancelled due to site deviation and asked to re-submit through qualified person (2nd cost).

Go during opening hour as they may limit no of pax and to settle outstanding queue before closing.
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post Oct 9 2021, 01:23 PM

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Hi,

Can someone help me relating to CCC for wet kitchen extension (concrete slab)?

I got someone who quoted me for the kitchen extension drawings and MBSA permit processing but told me CCC is optional as most house owner didnt do this part. Is there any risk to skip the CCC portion and do i need to make sure my renovation contractor is register under CIDB ??


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post Oct 9 2021, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(kengseng @ Oct 9 2021, 01:23 PM)
Hi,

Can someone help me relating to CCC for wet kitchen extension (concrete slab)?

I got someone who quoted me for the kitchen extension drawings and MBSA permit processing but told me CCC is optional as most house owner didnt do this part. Is there any risk to skip the CCC portion and do i need to make sure my renovation contractor is register under CIDB ??
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It's like saying most motorbike riders don't stop at the red light, thus you also don't need to. Nothing will happen as long don't get caught...
So, what is the probability of getting caught and what will happen if you do get caught?

Actually if permit obtained by submitting pelan setara at MBSA then no CCC is required as owner take full responsibility.
But if it is through a qualified person's drawn plan, the process is required to be completed up to CCC.

CCC will ensure:
1. insurance claim not compromised. Insurance won't cover non certified extension.
2. better future valuation/resale value of property.
3. deposit refund, if required and paid during application.
So can you accept that you will miss out on this?

Every contractor, whether registered under this CIDB Act or not, shall be subject to the Act.
Renovation contractors like this, are supposed to be registered under code B28.
Most of the time, nothing will happen if a non registered contractor does this kind of small job.
But if you do complete up to CCC, you will need a CIDB registered contractor to sign the paperwork (borang G)
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post Oct 9 2021, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(Phyarc @ Oct 9 2021, 05:04 PM)
It's like saying most motorbike riders don't stop at the red light, thus you also don't need to. Nothing will happen as long don't get caught...
So, what is the probability of getting caught and what will happen if you do get caught?

Actually if permit obtained by submitting pelan setara at MBSA then no CCC is required as owner take full responsibility.
But if it is through a qualified person's drawn plan, the process is required to be completed up to CCC.

CCC will ensure:
1. insurance claim not compromised. Insurance won't cover non certified extension.
2. better future valuation/resale value of property.
3. deposit refund, if required and paid during application.
So can you accept that you will miss out on this?

Every contractor, whether registered under this CIDB Act or not, shall be subject to the Act.
Renovation contractors like this, are supposed to be registered under code B28.
Most of the time, nothing will happen if a non registered contractor does this kind of small job.
But if you do complete up to CCC, you will need a CIDB registered contractor to sign the paperwork (borang G)
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Thanks for the reply.
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post Oct 10 2021, 11:21 PM

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hi all master, need advice for renovation permit

i just bought a single storey house (20x65') small landed house in PJ ,
because of the house is so small , i decided to demolish 2 rooms , relocate the bathroom and the build a room on top (convert to 1.5 storey)

my question is:

1) how much is the cost for drawing and mbpj permit submission ??
2) what doc do i need to apply permit ??
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post Oct 12 2021, 10:02 PM

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Took me 3hrs to buy pelan setara at MBSA today. There’s only 1 counter to buy pelan and also to submit pelan.

And 1 question. I wasn’t told that only house owner can buy. I only realised when I read the book upon reaching home. The pelan setara receipt is under my name but house owner is my wife in SPA. During submission will be my wife. Any issue ?
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QUOTE(JasonTheGreat @ Oct 12 2021, 10:02 PM)
Took me 3hrs to buy pelan setara at MBSA today. There’s only 1 counter to buy pelan and also to submit pelan.

And 1 question. I wasn’t told that only house owner can buy. I only realised when I read the book upon reaching home. The pelan setara receipt is under  my name but house owner is my wife in SPA. During submission will be my wife.  Any issue ?
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You may need a letter (surat wakil ) from your wife to appoint you as permohon. However, since wife is the houseowner, she also need to sign all the form which involved pemilik.

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