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post Apr 15 2022, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(haikalraihan @ Feb 5 2015, 03:26 PM)
How to get the approval of building plans and work permits

1. Owner must finalize the design of renovation before hire someone to do a submission
2. If contractor volunteer to do the submission, ask them which architect/building draughtman they use and LAM Registered No.
3. If necessary, owner must hire an engineer to do some calculation, report and structure drawing. (depends on Local Authorities)
4. Owner must prepare some documents for submission such as cukai taksiran, S&P, existing CF etc.
5. Consultation fees :-

RM2500-RM3000 includes architecture endorsement, site survey, building plan drawing, documentation and traveling.

Owner must prepare some cash around RM1000-RM2000 for deposit, processing fees, tong RORO (construction waste bin) depends on scale of renovation. Deposit will be returned when construction is completed. But for DBKL, no deposit required. Just pay RM100 for renovation less than 1000sqft (CODE B2)

6. Approval/Work Permit usually takes about 7-30days depends on ‘Piagam Pelanggan’ from Local Authorities.

Additional Info:-

Basic building setback for terrace :-
a) front - 20' clear from wall to boundary (main gate)
b) back - can extend to end of boundary
c) side (corner lot) - 10' clear from wall to boundary
d) side (end lot) - 5' clear from wall to boundary

The different thing between architect and building draughtsman (BD) is , BD are limited to specifying area only and the fees therefore a bit cheaper than architect.

Do not pay to enforcement if they ask for ‘kawtim’. Report to Local Authorities if happen.

Do not start work before get an approval/work permit. If not, you will be fined as much as 10x depends on your processing fees.

Do not trust contractor if they can ‘kawtim’ with Local Authorities. Some of them didn’t do a submission and if caught, owner will be responsible.

Architect is the person who will be responsible for the probability of future. They knows about UBBL and buildings.

Just pay a little bit for pleasure in the future...

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if the extra land front bigger than the back.
clearance from boundary is considered from the front or the back?
or must be 10feets from the side fencing?

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post Apr 22 2022, 09:32 AM

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Can any PM me a reliable draftsman contact for plan drawing and submission to MBSA. Please contact me.
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QUOTE(abcn1n @ Mar 19 2022, 04:54 PM)
FWIW, a contractor told me last year that one isn't supposed to extend right until the end. Maybe you can call up to enquire
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Went to DBKL the other day, they officially told me they follow this
osconline.dbkl.gov.my/klis/JenisPermohonan/JadualAnjakanTableKediamanKecil2017.htm

This guideline also stick on the counter to show to the public.
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post May 8 2022, 05:23 PM

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Hi,

I am interested with a sub-sale unit (20x60 corner) but it has a back extension done without approval. If I do buy the unit, I am planning to do a side and back and upper renovation. Will I need to submit the original plan or do I just start from new and get the approval permit? Does anyone knows what is the rough cost for approvals needed?

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post May 9 2022, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(learntoread11 @ May 7 2022, 08:36 AM)
Went to DBKL the other day, they officially told me they follow this
osconline.dbkl.gov.my/klis/JenisPermohonan/JadualAnjakanTableKediamanKecil2017.htm

This guideline also stick on the counter to show to the public.
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post May 9 2022, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(wynx_61 @ May 8 2022, 05:23 PM)
Hi,

I am interested with a sub-sale unit (20x60 corner) but it has a back extension done without approval. If I do buy the unit, I am planning to do a side and back and upper renovation. Will I need to submit the original plan or do I just start from new and get the approval permit? Does anyone knows what is the rough cost for approvals needed?
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I had experiences dealing with DBKL. The architect submitted the drawing with the new extension on the original plan, never mentioned about the non-approval extension, and it got approved. What the council wants to know is whether the new extension follows the engineering requirements and also follows the council's guidelines. Btw, the council didn't go for site inspection, if they go for the inspection, then it'll be a different story.
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QUOTE(learntoread11 @ May 9 2022, 11:03 PM)
I had experiences dealing with DBKL. The architect submitted the drawing with the new extension on the original plan, never mentioned about the non-approval extension, and it got approved. What the council wants to know is whether the new extension follows the engineering requirements and also follows the council's guidelines. Btw, the council didn't go for site inspection, if they go for the inspection, then it'll be a different story.
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pointless to do so, end up your house extension still illegal
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QUOTE(StupidGuyPlayComp @ May 10 2022, 10:41 AM)
pointless to do so, end up your house extension still illegal
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Actually, most of the house owners did the same includng me.

DBKL has a lot of guidelines. E.g. for the autogate, in the submission, the drawing must show the gates fold inwards to the boundary. But, this is not practical. So, most of us have autogate folding outwards despite this is not the case on paper.

I have a separate forecourt for shoes cabinet. However, it is 2 feet away from my boundary. Based on DBKL's guideline, this is not allowed. A distance of 10 ft is minimum. So, I submit the drawing without this forecourt. After obtaining CCC, I will build this forecourt.

The key thing is to ensure those major wet work, e.g. building with columns, beams, footing, and etc - all must have the approval from DBKL. That was what I have been told. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(StupidGuyPlayComp @ May 10 2022, 10:41 AM)
pointless to do so, end up your house extension still illegal
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there are 2 purpose for submission

1- if to get the CF on the extension

2- is to avoid enforcement/stop work order during renovation. imagine you hack and build half-way kena gantung kerja.
malu and cost will go up.


so applying permit for the new extension only ( without old extension) it still useful. not completely pointless


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QUOTE(StupidGuyPlayComp @ May 10 2022, 10:41 AM)
pointless to do so, end up your house extension still illegal
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Already got permit to build and CCC on the way
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QUOTE(ongss @ May 10 2022, 02:09 PM)
Actually, most of the house owners did the same includng me.

DBKL has a lot of guidelines. E.g. for the autogate, in the submission, the drawing must show the gates fold inwards to the boundary. But, this is not practical. So, most of us have autogate folding outwards despite this is not the case on paper.
---- our plan didn't include all those you mentioned

I have a separate forecourt for shoes cabinet. However, it is 2 feet away from my boundary. Based on DBKL's guideline, this is not allowed. A distance of 10 ft is minimum. So, I submit the drawing without this forecourt. After obtaining CCC, I will build this forecourt.
---- Didn't have these problem, out plan didn't include the shoe cabinet

The key thing is to ensure those major wet work, e.g. building with columns, beams, footing, and etc - all must have the approval from DBKL. That was what I have been told.  biggrin.gif
--- like I said, DBKL mainly wants to know the engineering requirements and the boundary guidelines

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Any recommended architect that can help in getting the permit? How much should I expect to pay for his services?

I've bought a subsale terrace recently and I think the house owner don't have a proper/legit house plan or CF and he had renovated the house before. How long does it take for the architect to come out with the house plan usually?

More info, it's an intermediate unit and the renovation I plan to do involve hacking some walls, relocate the toilet, new tiling and plaster ceiling. No extension to front and back because the owner already extended both front and back previously.

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QUOTE(Duckies @ May 12 2022, 02:44 PM)
Any recommended architect that can help in getting the permit? How much should I expect to pay for his services?

I've bought a subsale terrace recently and I think the house owner don't have a proper/legit house plan or CF and he had renovated the house before. How long does it take for the architect to come out with the house plan usually?

More info, it's an intermediate unit and the renovation I plan to do involve hacking some walls, relocate the toilet, new tiling and plaster ceiling. No extension to front and back because the owner already extended both front and back previously.
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tdssarchitect.blogspot.com/

My friend engaged them, quite good but not cheap
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QUOTE(learntoread11 @ May 12 2022, 07:26 PM)
tdssarchitect.blogspot.com/

My friend engaged them, quite good but not cheap
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Possible to get it done within 2 to 3k?

My renovation actually is interior only but it involves toilet relocation and some wall hacking so I am not sure if permit is required. However, some MBPJ officer already come by and ask to "settle".


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QUOTE(Duckies @ May 13 2022, 11:19 AM)
Possible to get it done within 2 to 3k?

My renovation actually is interior only but it involves toilet relocation and some wall hacking so I am not sure if permit is required. However, some MBPJ officer already come by and ask to "settle".
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As far as I know, the architect will charge around RM8k for a simple project, e.g. the backyard extension, etc. Their work includes the drawing, engineering parts, submission, and applying for CCC when the project completes. 2-3k is totally impossible. If you're able to find one, let me know.
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Hi seeking some advice here.

I just engaged a contractor and architect firm with 20 yesrs + establishment( both my dad's acquaintance ) for a double storey with major renovation in PJ. Currently deposit paid while the architect and engineer fees cost me 15k till get a CCC while initially I insisted it badly as I wanted extension of the house to be recognised and things were agreed no problem and all.

So now thing changed, even i obey with the setback requirement on the extension, now being told that roofing structure change need KM approval and might not approve while the small things like gate pillar height etc to be comply if not will not get CCC and adviced me to proceed with approved plan and permit but build not following the plan n will not having a CCC. So I felt damn cheated because I'm paying an expensive architectural profession but providing such solution to me and if you are experience enough to know anyhow not approve then dont say no problem at the beginning right? which I could anyhow just pay someone to submit standard plan n get reno permit and I do whatever I want.

So does anyone could be familiar with the procedure or able to provide a piece of advice please? 🙏

Professional here could PM me as well to explore

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QUOTE(dwh90 @ Jun 13 2022, 02:40 AM)
Hi seeking some advice here.

I just engaged a contractor and architect firm with 20 yesrs + establishment( both my dad's acquaintance ) for a double storey with major renovation in PJ. Currently deposit paid while  the architect and engineer fees cost me 15k till get a CCC while initially I insisted it badly as I wanted extension of the house to be recognised and things were agreed no problem and all.

So now thing changed, even i obey with the setback requirement on the extension, now being told that roofing structure change need KM approval and might not approve while the small things like gate pillar height etc to be comply if not will not get CCC and adviced me to proceed with approved plan and permit but build not following the plan n will not having a CCC. So I felt damn cheated because I'm paying an expensive architectural profession but providing such solution to me and if you are experience enough to know anyhow not approve then dont say no problem at the beginning right?  which I could anyhow just pay someone to submit standard plan n get reno permit and I do whatever I want.

So does anyone could be familiar with the procedure or able to provide a piece of advice please? 🙏

Professional here could PM me as well to explore
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house renovation usually doesn't require submitting KM for approval unless u are converting it to another usage other than as a house like those bridal & bicycle shops in ss2.

and yes.. you have to build it according to the approved plan. eventho the architect who is the person to issue the CCC, but masjlis has the right to issue an order to stop the issuance of it if they find out to have breached the approved plan

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QUOTE(dwh90 @ Jun 13 2022, 02:40 AM)
Hi seeking some advice here.

I just engaged a contractor and architect firm with 20 yesrs + establishment( both my dad's acquaintance ) for a double storey with major renovation in PJ. Currently deposit paid while  the architect and engineer fees cost me 15k till get a CCC while initially I insisted it badly as I wanted extension of the house to be recognised and things were agreed no problem and all.

So now thing changed, even i obey with the setback requirement on the extension, now being told that roofing structure change need KM approval and might not approve while the small things like gate pillar height etc to be comply if not will not get CCC and adviced me to proceed with approved plan and permit but build not following the plan n will not having a CCC. So I felt damn cheated because I'm paying an expensive architectural profession but providing such solution to me and if you are experience enough to know anyhow not approve then dont say no problem at the beginning right?  which I could anyhow just pay someone to submit standard plan n get reno permit and I do whatever I want.

So does anyone could be familiar with the procedure or able to provide a piece of advice please? 🙏

Professional here could PM me as well to explore
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As what I understand, you will need to get KM approval when the new extension and renovated area are more than 50% of the existing building size.

Yet there might be some exceptional cases, you can double check with MPPJ anyway.

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For MPSJ, do I need a permit to do an awning?
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QUOTE(donmaikeru @ Jun 13 2022, 07:37 PM)
For MPSJ, do I need a permit to do an awning?
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yes... awning for carporch area only under 'permit kerja-kerja kecil / pelan setara'

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