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post May 14 2021, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(incredibless @ May 13 2021, 10:41 PM)
hi all, i am considering to extend remaining 7 feet yard for wet kitchen but is considering to hack /remove the wall to make the kitchen more spacious. However, I am not sure or concern if the removal of one side wall will effect the house structural beam??. I have attached image as below.

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Removing that wall no issue, but not column.
Yes, column is likely present in the middle.
To confirm if column present or not, either:

1. go to your local municipal authority Building Department, request to review the structural plan. They may let you take some photos. If not, ask to review building plan - the engineer's contact is in there and you can call them. If nobody layan, then ...

2. choose a spot, chip off plaster to reveal inside - you will see either brick or RC.
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post May 14 2021, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ May 14 2021, 04:47 PM)
Your kitchen extension is normal for all intermediate terrace house.

The Planning Dept should have a list of accredited draftsman for your job.

Not sure mbsa have standard floor plan for purchase now since I last dealt with them 18 years ago.

Once you completed the reno, you need to be issued a CF. This doc is important for fire insurance purpose and also you next buyer may insist a copy to confirm is not illegal extension.
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Yes can still purchase the standard plan for kitchen extension. See link below for info
http://www.mbsa.gov.my/ms-my/mbsa/perkhidm...lan_setara.aspx
However, not sure if you can remove the wall in MBSA case. Oddly MBPJ standard plan only have new kitchen wall addition but not wall removal.
You can call them first for enquiries as there may be new procedure from time to time and regarding consultation hours during MCO.

Standard plan has advantages - cheaper, faster and no need consultant.
There is no CCC and owner responsible fully for the works.
Because this process does not follow the standard process which involves consultant to notify start work, supervise and do final inspection together with majlis.
So the disadvantage is some bank, valuer and insurance company may disregard extended part of house that does not have CF/CCC.
Also the renovation must follow exactly standard plan design - MBSA can come to check if you follow exactly or not.

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post May 28 2021, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(derekv @ May 28 2021, 01:57 PM)
Hi,

I am seeking 2nd opinion from architects/persons with knowledge and hopefully this forum can help me.

Some background info:
1. Double storey intermediate house in Subang Jaya.
2. Existing kitchen is extended all the way to the back (10Lx10W ft) leaving only 10Lx10W ft land on the side.
3. However, architect drawing hand over by the previous owner has kitchen extension plan (L10 x W15 ft) instead. This also meant that the previous owner had intended to extend the kitchen to L10 x W15 ft but decided to change his mind and only extend L10 x W10 ft.
4. Seeing so, I wanted to extend the kitchen to the side by 5 ft which will make the kitchen L10 x W15 ft as per the drawing.
5. I engaged a certified architect to assist me with renovation and building permit application and approval. I was informed that I am required to do up a new drawing and the old drawing cannot be used. Hence, I followed his advice.
6. Unfortunately, due to the pandemic, I am hit with a lot of excuses from MBSJ and the application which was submitted since March and resubmitted again in April did not get approve.
7. The architect had do his best to communicate and reach out to the officer in charge but always met with MIA.
8. No amount of attempts had been successful and, despite, all the good will to try move things forward in accordance to regulation have been futile.

I totally get it. The pandemic has caused a lot of disorder in the public services etc. I am surprise that I am not even angry but wanted to find solutions instead. So here are my questions:

1. I have an existing drawing certified by the previous owner architect that reflects the kitchen L10 x W15 ft. Is it a must to do a new drawing just to get approval for renovation permit and CCC? I have read in other threads that owners typically draw the house plan that takes future extension in consideration. So I can't see the logic here. If I can use the existing drawing, then it makes the application a lot more easier right?

2. I really don't want to make a fuss with MBSJ. Hence, I thought of submitting a new application in hopes it can be assign to a functioning officer. But I was told by the architect that MBSJ would have to close the file in the system prior to submitting a new application. Otherwise, there would be no closure and it will result to work process complications. Is that true?

3. Maybe... and if just maybe... someone in this forum could help me with connecting someone with authority in MBSJ. I have no intentions to bypass the requirements but just a simple request to have my application review and approve by another functioning officer. I understand that the online docketing system had been offline and my architect is willing to re submit a manual application to comply. What are my options then?

Once again, I totally get it. The frustration, the pandemic, the disorder, the compliance, the rules etc. All I am asking for is for things to progress.

Your responses will be much appreciated
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Original plan still usable if it was approved and then Borang B (Notice of Commencement) was submitted to MBSJ before the plan expired.

Your new architect requested to submit new plans, because all responsibilities go to him when he issue CCC.
Some authorities encourage this too. But actually no need to resubmit also can. It depends on your new architect.

If submit new, old approval need to be cancelled/closed for there cannot be 2 concurrent approvals.

If manual submission is allowed to bypass online submission then it may be easier than to resolve with MPSJ on the online hickup.
If online submission still required, you may need to speak to MPSJ's IT person.
The online system, even MPSJ officers themselves may not be familiar due to new system implemented.
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post May 28 2021, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(derekv @ May 28 2021, 03:13 PM)
Yes. The original 10ft structure will not be demolished. I am wondering if extending the additional 5ft which makes L10ft x W15ft would still comply to the drawing that was handed over by the previous owner.

I will be staying here for a long time so getting in trouble with neighbours is the last thing I want.
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As long built according to approved plan is ok. Means as close as possible, some inspector check very detail while some quite lenient.
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post Sep 19 2021, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(soulred777 @ Sep 19 2021, 05:24 PM)
Thanks bro. My buddy currently doing in Kajang. Surprisingly they did not asked for neighbors consent. I'll check with MPS too.
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Hi, not all authority is the same. It is required for Majlis Perbandaran Selayang, as per their checklist.
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post Sep 19 2021, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(s30ckf @ Sep 19 2021, 01:04 PM)
Hi there, i need advices from any of you who has the experience with Majlis Perbandaran Kuala Langat.

I'm going to renovate a newly completed landed property from developer. I just want to install plaster ceiling, wiring for additional power point, cabinet and wardrobe fixture, installation of some washroom shower screen, mirror etc and lastly do the painting. Do i need to apply permit from the council?
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Refer to the attached form.
If involve hacking for concealed wiring then may consider getting permit.
If can be done discretely, without disturbing noise and rubbish then no need permit.


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Attached File  1.7_senarai_semakan_bagi_permohonan_permit_kerja_kerja_kecil_0.pdf ( 732.36k ) Number of downloads: 79
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post Sep 19 2021, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(soulred777 @ Sep 19 2021, 07:24 PM)
Hi bro. Thanks. Do you have the majlis form for Selayang like you attached for kuala langat plz. Thanks bro.
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Forms are different for strata or non strata. Which is yours?
Just re-read your earlier post. Note the required building setback is 20' at the front ya.
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post Sep 19 2021, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(soulred777 @ Sep 19 2021, 10:00 PM)
Mine is individual. I tried searching on MPS page. Too many sublinks, some of the terms are confusing. Appreciate if your can send the link. Tqvm. Understood on the setback. After extension there will be 30ft left.
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please refer to the attachment.


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post Sep 27 2021, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(ngaisteve1 @ Sep 26 2021, 03:37 PM)
If my house is single storey or double storey, can I convert the house roof to be a roof garden? possible to get the permit for this renovation?
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What type of house and which municipality?
DBKL allow terrace house >10 years to convert existing roof to flat roof / roof garden. Engineer may strengthen existing structure or add new support.
While for other authorities, it can be an uphill task convincing them to approve this. If just extension part in flat roof while original pitched roof remain unchanged, then easily approved.


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post Sep 27 2021, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(Calvin168168168 @ Sep 26 2021, 11:05 PM)
Hi. I would like to know where can find mpk guidelines for renovation.
1.My fence being now is using besi rod. Want to change to brick. And top add atap besi one.
2. living room change window and door size. Swap. Window is till ground one.
3. Lengthen wall between kitchen and living room.
4. Add a wall in living room. Separate space for dining area. Prevent people can look from door in one glance.
5 change the papan in floor to tiles
6. Extend or change awning.

All this need apply permit?
If yes where can find standard dwg from mpk?

Thank you for answers.
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Mostly under Permit Kerja Kecil which owner can apply.
Municipal may or may not ask for fencing plan to be prepared. They may request fence with opening, not fully solid.
If awning without supporting post, then under Permit Kerja Kecil. If awning with supporting post, then need to submit plan.

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post Sep 28 2021, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(JasonTheGreat @ Sep 27 2021, 07:18 PM)
Hi all. What is the difference between R.C Gutter and G.I Gutter in MBSA Pelan setara?

Also if i use Pelan setara, I must follow the exact number of window and door location?
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RC = reinforced concrete, GI = galvanised iron

Supposed to follow exactly, or else may have difficulty to get deposit refund. When renovation is completed, and you notify MBSA to come for inspection, they will check if construction followed the plan before refunding deposit. If don't follow, they may ask to rectify till it is according to the plan before refund. Interpretation can vary from person to person. Some officer more lenient, eg. as long as you meet minimum 15% ventilation...while some officer more strict but don't deviate too much. If you are not inviting them to inspect and willing to part with deposit then different story...
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post Sep 28 2021, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(s30ckf @ Sep 28 2021, 11:02 AM)
Hi all, need your advice on below:

My house original plan is like this. Wood door entrance is facing to North. I want to change the direction and make it 90 degree shifted to face East but need to extend 6' x 5' in front of the original door position.

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Here is the photo of the original door position:

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Propose to change to like this:

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I have check with renovation guy and he says no need to do piling, just brick up the wall with cement plaster on it will do. For this extension work need to engaged licenced architect for drawing and submit to authority?
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If you want to comply,
1) Check with local municipal if any pelan setara for this, as it is walling up small area under existing RC porch roof, without affecting neighbour and without new structure. Generally front setback is 20' unless it is DBKL area 15'.
2) If no pelan setara, then need licensed architect or registered draughtsperson to submit plan.
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post Oct 1 2021, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(Imzoom @ Sep 30 2021, 06:01 PM)
Sorry gang, out of topic awhile.

Normally landed front gate got small grass area at the side right, if we install Dato Kong there, izit legal or illegal or need any permit?

Thank you!!! Newbie here
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within house compound or on the road side?
if install ready type, no need permit.
if built on site type, by right a minor works permit is required.
those on the road side should be required to pay for TOL.
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post Oct 7 2021, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(JasonTheGreat @ Oct 6 2021, 09:21 AM)
From the picture i have attached, left is Pelan Setara and right is my design.

1) Key differences is i have wider window and also exit door location does not align with Pelan Setara
2) I did not extend the toilet like pelan setara, so no toilet window on the facade
3) I break a wall internally and replaced with Glass Partition

With the changes above, will i consider non compliance? If it advisable to still get Pelan Setara or to get someone qualified to re-draw? I remember reading somewhere that MBSA do have services to draw for few hundred but can't find that information anymore
I planned to goto MBSA next week as they have now allowed walk in. Hope they still have pelan setara in stock. By the way, flat concrete roof is not in the plan right?
Did you go with tiles roof?
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Since you are going to MBSA, better get answer straight from the horse's mouth. You don't want to submit under pelan setara only to find out later that the approval is cancelled due to site deviation and asked to re-submit through qualified person (2nd cost).

Go during opening hour as they may limit no of pax and to settle outstanding queue before closing.
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post Oct 9 2021, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(kengseng @ Oct 9 2021, 01:23 PM)
Hi,

Can someone help me relating to CCC for wet kitchen extension (concrete slab)?

I got someone who quoted me for the kitchen extension drawings and MBSA permit processing but told me CCC is optional as most house owner didnt do this part. Is there any risk to skip the CCC portion and do i need to make sure my renovation contractor is register under CIDB ??
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It's like saying most motorbike riders don't stop at the red light, thus you also don't need to. Nothing will happen as long don't get caught...
So, what is the probability of getting caught and what will happen if you do get caught?

Actually if permit obtained by submitting pelan setara at MBSA then no CCC is required as owner take full responsibility.
But if it is through a qualified person's drawn plan, the process is required to be completed up to CCC.

CCC will ensure:
1. insurance claim not compromised. Insurance won't cover non certified extension.
2. better future valuation/resale value of property.
3. deposit refund, if required and paid during application.
So can you accept that you will miss out on this?

Every contractor, whether registered under this CIDB Act or not, shall be subject to the Act.
Renovation contractors like this, are supposed to be registered under code B28.
Most of the time, nothing will happen if a non registered contractor does this kind of small job.
But if you do complete up to CCC, you will need a CIDB registered contractor to sign the paperwork (borang G)
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post Mar 25 2022, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(123wmike @ Mar 24 2022, 06:18 PM)
Hi wanna ask a cluster house under MBSA, wanna extend side for wet kitchen and first floor. Side land is 10feet. Wanna extend till about 9 feet same with the house behind of mine.

Was told by some reno cannot get CCC coz MBSA will never approve but you still can do it coz everyone did it, but most of  them extend only single floor.

Some reno said can get CCC. Any idea on which statement is true?

BTW how important is CCC for the extension? Easy to sell in future?
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If want to follow neighbour, do at own risk - like if you follow motorbike riders who don't stop at red light. Except yours will be permanent structure.
Having said that, 10' to 9' setback is not much different, it depends on the particular officer who inspects, how stringent and how sharp his eyes are.
If not obvious, shouldn't have problem to get CCC.

CCC enables you to fetch better selling price. Without CCC for extension, future purchaser can ask for discount to the amount required to legalise the extension (you would be passing the buck to them).
Insurance company can also deny or complicate your fire claim etc, if they know there is illegal extension.
If these does not concern you, and you prefer to live daily with bigger space albeit no CCC, that would be your choice.
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post Jun 17 2022, 07:01 AM

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QUOTE(learntoread11 @ Jun 16 2022, 11:11 PM)
I am curious to find out if a house is renovated without permit and once kena tangkap by DBKL, who will get the fine? The owner or the contractor?
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Compliance is owner's duty. Owner gets the fine.
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post Dec 5 2022, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(kuai_chai @ Dec 4 2022, 07:33 PM)
however, many contractors told me to go to dbkl and apply myself..
is there any documentation required?
what if i go there without architect?
will dbkl proceed to let me submit for approval?
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Alteration & addition works (including extension at car porch) at DBKL must be applied by architect (or registered draughtsman). You can't do it yourself.
Owner can apply for small works permit at DBKL but it doesn't cover extension work. Some use this permit for doing extension work, so risk getting fined.
Forget about what those contractors told you, as DBKL do not have standard plan.

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post Jul 25 2023, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(Moon@Star @ Jul 25 2023, 08:09 AM)
I got a permit for back extension. Wanna ask this permit only for one time use? If few years later I want to extend front porch still need to reapply permit or can use the same permit again?
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Back extension permit was applied using pelan setara or through qualified person?
If pelan setara, then valid for 1 year only and cannot be used for other works - you would need to buy separate pelan setara for the porch.
If applied through QP, the plan approval is still valid provided borang b (notice to start work) was submitted within 1 year from approval. Then if CCC has not been issued, amendment plan (to extend porch) can be submitted. The only expiry would likely be permit meletak bahan binaan.
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post Jul 26 2023, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(GSCboy @ Jul 26 2023, 04:33 PM)
Hi, may I know is it possible to get a runner to buy the original drawing plan of the house since current owner had lost the drawing, the place is in PJ
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Yes. Can do it yourself thou.

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