Anyone can share roughly how the standard plan for MBSA kitchen extension plan look like? 22ftx4.5ft I still have not decided If want to Reno.

This post has been edited by JasonTheGreat: Mar 21 2021, 05:45 PM

hi all, i am considering to extend remaining 7 feet yard for wet kitchen but is considering to hack /remove the wall to make the kitchen more spacious. However, I am not sure or concern if the removal of one side wall will effect the house structural beam??. I have attached image as below.

No. I think there should have 1 column at the toilet wall to support the beam.

Btw, if can fork out extra budget, extend the bathroom/toilet at the same time. In the long run, occupants will appreciate the bigger space.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: May 14 2021, 05:52 AM

Removing that wall no issue, but not column.
Yes, column is likely present in the middle.
To confirm if column present or not, either:

1. go to your local municipal authority Building Department, request to review the structural plan. They may let you take some photos. If not, ask to review building plan - the engineer's contact is in there and you can call them. If nobody layan, then ...

2. choose a spot, chip off plaster to reveal inside - you will see either brick or RC.

You may proceed with the removal of the section of wall that you intended to. There won't be any load bearing column within that section.

Thank you for your comments. Appreciate it. The town authority is MBSA and i am looking to extend the remaining 7 yard empty space to wet kitchen. That is why abit concern when comes to the removal of one side wall to make the kitchen spacious. For drawing plan if i remove the wall, i must redraw the plan? or can i purchase the readily available floor plan?

Your kitchen extension is normal for all intermediate terrace house.

The Planning Dept should have a list of accredited draftsman for your job.

Not sure mbsa have standard floor plan for purchase now since I last dealt with them 18 years ago.

Once you completed the reno, you need to be issued a CF. This doc is important for fire insurance purpose and also you next buyer may insist a copy to confirm is not illegal extension.

Thank you so much for your comments. Appreciate it very much and will check with MSBA on the necessary documents and process for the permit. 😀

Yes can still purchase the standard plan for kitchen extension. See link below for info
http://www.mbsa.gov.my/ms-my/mbsa/perkhidm...lan_setara.aspx
However, not sure if you can remove the wall in MBSA case. Oddly MBPJ standard plan only have new kitchen wall addition but not wall removal.
You can call them first for enquiries as there may be new procedure from time to time and regarding consultation hours during MCO.

Standard plan has advantages - cheaper, faster and no need consultant.
There is no CCC and owner responsible fully for the works.
Because this process does not follow the standard process which involves consultant to notify start work, supervise and do final inspection together with majlis.
So the disadvantage is some bank, valuer and insurance company may disregard extended part of house that does not have CF/CCC.
Also the renovation must follow exactly standard plan design - MBSA can come to check if you follow exactly or not.

Hi,

I am seeking 2nd opinion from architects/persons with knowledge and hopefully this forum can help me.

Some background info:
1. Double storey intermediate house in Subang Jaya.
2. Existing kitchen is extended all the way to the back (10Lx10W ft) leaving only 10Lx10W ft land on the side.
3. However, architect drawing hand over by the previous owner has kitchen extension plan (L10 x W15 ft) instead. This also meant that the previous owner had intended to extend the kitchen to L10 x W15 ft but decided to change his mind and only extend L10 x W10 ft.
4. Seeing so, I wanted to extend the kitchen to the side by 5 ft which will make the kitchen L10 x W15 ft as per the drawing.
5. I engaged a certified architect to assist me with renovation and building permit application and approval. I was informed that I am required to do up a new drawing and the old drawing cannot be used. Hence, I followed his advice.
6. Unfortunately, due to the pandemic, I am hit with a lot of excuses from MBSJ and the application which was submitted since March and resubmitted again in April did not get approve.
7. The architect had do his best to communicate and reach out to the officer in charge but always met with MIA.
8. No amount of attempts had been successful and, despite, all the good will to try move things forward in accordance to regulation have been futile.

I totally get it. The pandemic has caused a lot of disorder in the public services etc. I am surprise that I am not even angry but wanted to find solutions instead. So here are my questions:

1. I have an existing drawing certified by the previous owner architect that reflects the kitchen L10 x W15 ft. Is it a must to do a new drawing just to get approval for renovation permit and CCC? I have read in other threads that owners typically draw the house plan that takes future extension in consideration. So I can't see the logic here. If I can use the existing drawing, then it makes the application a lot more easier right?

2. I really don't want to make a fuss with MBSJ. Hence, I thought of submitting a new application in hopes it can be assign to a functioning officer. But I was told by the architect that MBSJ would have to close the file in the system prior to submitting a new application. Otherwise, there would be no closure and it will result to work process complications. Is that true?

3. Maybe... and if just maybe... someone in this forum could help me with connecting someone with authority in MBSJ. I have no intentions to bypass the requirements but just a simple request to have my application review and approve by another functioning officer. I understand that the online docketing system had been offline and my architect is willing to re submit a manual application to comply. What are my options then?

Once again, I totally get it. The frustration, the pandemic, the disorder, the compliance, the rules etc. All I am asking for is for things to progress.

Your responses will be much appreciated

The mco makes many people stress dealing with govt depts. What more with now 80% wfh compare to 50% previously. Land office matters is worst.

I would never encourage illegal extension but for your case, I would just extend the 5ft with original plan.

If I understand your post rightly, you wont be demolishing the 10 ft structure.

Do inform your neighbours ahead of the reno work as many will be wfh.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: May 28 2021, 02:25 PM

Original plan still usable if it was approved and then Borang B (Notice of Commencement) was submitted to MBSJ before the plan expired.

Your new architect requested to submit new plans, because all responsibilities go to him when he issue CCC.
Some authorities encourage this too. But actually no need to resubmit also can. It depends on your new architect.

If submit new, old approval need to be cancelled/closed for there cannot be 2 concurrent approvals.

If manual submission is allowed to bypass online submission then it may be easier than to resolve with MPSJ on the online hickup.
If online submission still required, you may need to speak to MPSJ's IT person.
The online system, even MPSJ officers themselves may not be familiar due to new system implemented.

Yes. The original 10ft structure will not be demolished. I am wondering if extending the additional 5ft which makes L10ft x W15ft would still comply to the drawing that was handed over by the previous owner.

I will be staying here for a long time so getting in trouble with neighbours is the last thing I want.

This is helpful. It concurs to what I understood, hence, my only option is to wait. And have the patience to walk through the approval process. I and the architect had discussed and manual submission is part of the contingencies as well.

The online system for building approval has been down for many weeks now. IT department as I understood is down with COVID. Double whammy! So you could say that they are like headless chickens.

No one is practically doing anything to make a come back in ensuring public service continue operations. So manual submission could be a waste of time as well.

As long built according to approved plan is ok. Means as close as possible, some inspector check very detail while some quite lenient.

hi,

I would like to know whether MBSA allows the usage of the car-porch roof ? If possible, I want to convert it into a small yard where plants and small items can be placed. Will put up guard rail around it. Saw some houses converting it, but not sure whether it is legit.

If the construction came with the house original design or renovated with authority approval, then no issue.

Your only concern is whether the structure is able to withstand the loading as the purpose of the construction is for shade purpose.

thanks for the reply. The roof can definitely hold at least 1 carton of bricks.

It's acceptable and legal based on my experience applying for renovation permit with MBSA. Do check with MBSA with contact details as below based on your location. WhatsApp is fine.


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I believe you are a 'AI (CLRNO)' resident. i am trying to get permit for renovation as well. cant contact MBSA at all.