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mini orchard
post Nov 23 2020, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(hi54ever @ Nov 23 2020, 04:49 PM)
hey ya, i have an old single storey mid unit house at butterworth penang.
initially i plan rebuild it to 2 storey but upon check up with local autho (unit pembangunan), they said cannot, only corner unit is allowed to do so. feels sad ald

then i got a ID contractor, i called up and ask, he said usually wont get approval, based on his experience with local architect, mid unit 1 to 2 storey wont get approval.

but he provide solution to make it to 1.5 storey, getting work permit is ok, according to him, but when i asked how about OC/CF, he said cannot get 1.

so i also sangkut, dont know how to plan d

to add on, he said since we are staying for ourself (no plan resell), dont bother about cf/approval and so on. guess this is the que i should avoid this contractor at all cost...
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1. Any illegal structure without cf is void under fire insurance policy.

2. Even if is legal, such construction will normally lead to quarrel between neighbours due to leaking ceiling and cracked wall.

3. Either sell and buy a 2 sty or if you like the location, make a good offer to either your left right neighbour.
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post Nov 23 2020, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Nov 23 2020, 05:29 PM)
1. Any illegal structure without cf is void under fire insurance policy.

2. Even if is legal, such construction will normally lead to quarrel between neighbours due to leaking ceiling and cracked wall.

3. Either sell and buy a 2 sty or if you like the location, make a good offer to either your left right neighbour.
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its my kampung, i grew up there and my parents pretty much know everyone there, so location is a high plus point.

thats why im in dilemma. either to continue pursue to try for 2 storey (theres just another 2 unit that rebuild to 2 storey in my neighbourhood, i dont know with cf or not), or reduce my plan to 1.5 storey (hidden from outside view of the half storey)

personally i prepared around 250k-280k to rebuild it, but of course wanted it to be properly CF. but with everyone says its impossible is kinda demotivate me sad.gif
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post Nov 23 2020, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(hi54ever @ Nov 23 2020, 05:40 PM)
its my kampung, i grew up there and my parents pretty much know everyone there, so location is a high plus point.

thats why im in dilemma. either to continue pursue to try for 2 storey (theres just another 2 unit that rebuild to 2 storey in my neighbourhood, i dont know with cf or not), or reduce my plan to 1.5 storey (hidden from outside view of the half storey)

personally i prepared around 250k-280k to rebuild it, but of course wanted it to be properly CF. but with everyone says its impossible is kinda demotivate me sad.gif
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Unless your current house has a high ceiling, you can add a mezzanine floor internally. Otherwise, even for 1.5 sty you cant hide the structure.
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post Nov 23 2020, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(mini orchard @ Nov 23 2020, 05:47 PM)
Unless your current house has a high ceiling, you can add a mezzanine floor internally. Otherwise, even for 1.5 sty you cant hide the structure.
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so there's no way to discuss properly with council even with earthwork, architect drawing etc if their guideline is a no?
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post Nov 23 2020, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(hi54ever @ Nov 23 2020, 05:53 PM)
so there's no way to discuss properly with council even with earthwork, architect drawing etc if their guideline is a no?
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Is up to the local authority to decide ...but then, if they approve one, they have to approve all future applications.

Local authority can be liable to legal suit if any construction affect neighbour unit with their approval.
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post Nov 24 2020, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(Jazz Singa @ Nov 23 2020, 04:46 PM)
hi sifus, need advise for MPKj regulation. I have a corner house with 23 feet extra land at the side. how many feet maximum can I extend to the side?
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10 feet setback. extension to the side for corner lot cannot buy Buku panduan. Need to get an architect to submit.
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post Nov 24 2020, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(gjunhao @ Nov 23 2020, 11:21 AM)
Hi Sifus,

I am planning to hack off the wall highlighted below, but management told me cannot hack because RC wall. I asked developer and management to provide me evidence it is indeed RC wall but they never help, just brush me off saying cannot hack. I referred to as-built drawings but never indicate that wall material. Should I consult architect or engineer ask them site visit instead? If architect or engineer said can hack and provide submission to JMB, any chance it will get rejected?
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Most of the new condominiums and apartments use Shearwall as structure and wall hence it is possible that all walls are concrete walls instead of brick wall. The structural drawings will indicate that. Check your house rules agreement most of the time it already indicates there when you purchase the premise. I suggest you to not challenge the JMB decision because no matter how they have the says.
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post Nov 24 2020, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(hi54ever @ Nov 23 2020, 05:53 PM)
so there's no way to discuss properly with council even with earthwork, architect drawing etc if their guideline is a no?
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Perhaps you can try to ask them whether can increase the height by submitting Pelan Kebenaran Merancang to the Jabatan Perancang? Have you checked with some local architects and ask them to check for you?
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QUOTE(jychook @ Nov 24 2020, 12:14 AM)
10 feet setback. extension to the side for corner lot cannot buy Buku panduan. Need to get an architect to submit.
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Buku panduan is merely for reading pleasure. Any application for extension need a formal application to the local authority.

Many minor house extension dont require architect submission ... a accredited person with the local authority suffice.
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post Nov 25 2020, 12:32 AM

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Can I start submitting for approval to MBPJ before title transfer is done? Freehold individual title, still under previous owner name. SPA signed last month.
I’ve heard approval takes up to a month, thinking to do it while waiting for land title transfer
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post Nov 25 2020, 06:43 AM

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QUOTE(gordonchin @ Nov 25 2020, 12:32 AM)
Can I start submitting for approval to MBPJ before title transfer is done? Freehold individual title, still under previous owner name. SPA signed last month.
I’ve heard approval takes up to a month, thinking to do it while waiting for land title transfer
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No ... you are not the legal owner as per MBPJ record.

B4 you can do a submission, new owner is require to update the local authority on the ownership status.via a stamped SnP agreement. It is advisable to do it ONLY upon completion of the SnP process and it doesnt matter if is freehold or leasehold as sometime a SnP can be aborted for various reasons.
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post Nov 26 2020, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(jychook @ Nov 24 2020, 12:21 AM)
Most of the new condominiums and apartments use Shearwall as structure and wall hence it is possible that all walls are concrete walls instead of brick wall. The structural drawings will indicate that. Check your house rules agreement most of the time it already indicates there when you purchase the premise. I suggest you to not challenge the JMB decision because no matter how they have the says.
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Hi, yes I got the structural drawings but no indication of what the walls are made of. I ask developer they say they do not know, and never plan to ask architect or structural engineer for me sigh. So now I already not planning to hack off the wall, maybe will just hack off the part below the window to make a door but then subject to management approval also.
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post Nov 26 2020, 04:18 PM

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post Nov 27 2020, 04:59 AM

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QUOTE(gjunhao @ Nov 26 2020, 04:18 PM)
Initially plan to consult structural engineering firm as they will sign off  if it is safe to do so but will need to pay them RM3k-5k so I heard, but now seems bleak so just plan to hack off the portion below window to make a door since management told me I can remove the entire window.
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from experience the red highlighted area is non load bearing and not a shear wall. load bearing tend to be 10 to 20 ft span and dont go into a corner like that unless it is a lift shaft. i think the 3-5k is security deposit that is refundable unless your renovation cause problem to others. mgmt usually brush off cos they dont know about design and best to avoid committing. you need to submit your own drawing and they forward to the original archi/engineer for approval and usually got fee involved just to pass these documents. Bear in mind you can dont inform and if all goes well nothing wrong. If things go south you will be breaking a few of their covenant of agreement signed when taking possession of unit and can be sued.
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post Nov 28 2020, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(gjunhao @ Nov 28 2020, 04:52 PM)
Hi Sifu,

Funny story, turns out my management lying to me thats an RC wall. My contractor did minor hacking for water inlet below on the same wall, and told me its a brick wall. He also said why management don't let hack is because the developer 偷工减料 use cheap materials, if hack the wall might lead to floor below wall crack that's why they directly don't let all units hack and told all owners it is RC wall to save problem.

So I can now prove it is brick wall, but I think management will still bullshit me and say cannot hack. Since it is a brick wall, I plan to hack it myself after renovation all settled and after management checked to save me any trouble.
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not a sifu. what you experiencing is bureaucracy. nobody wants to be responsible if something goes wrong. best to err on side of caution and bs that cannot hack. most ppl would be put off by this. even though you can prove to them do you think they care?
that being said sometimes we use these brickwall as added protection as stiffeners for slab deflection control such as the big span in your living room. on such a small room where there is close support btw span, not that important. the caveat is most of the time brickwall are non structural, but on rare instances there are exception to this, so dont go on assume just becos brickwall non load bearing. my comment is only valid on this case on this plan. true you can do what you like on your unit but it also depends on what agreement you signed with the developer on taking possession on that unit and all their regulations. my advice, no need make a big fuss, get your contractor in do their job and just leave it.
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Hi Sifus and experts,

For MBSA area, how much is the allowed roof overhang /unjuran bumbung or eaves for a 15 feet backlane? Asking for intermediate house.

The Pelan Setara does not address this in the standard book when applying for permit. Does it mean I have to ask for architect to draw if I have some overhang?
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post Dec 19 2020, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(Thejs @ Dec 19 2020, 04:36 PM)
Hi Sifus and experts,

For MBSA area, how much is the allowed roof overhang /unjuran bumbung or eaves for a 15 feet backlane? Asking for intermediate house.

The Pelan Setara does not address this in the standard book when applying for permit. Does it mean I have to ask for architect to draw if I have some overhang?
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Not necessary.

From the wall boundary.... length of 1 roof tile. The contractor should know.
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post Jan 5 2021, 12:57 PM

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Does anyone know where can I get access to MBPJ's pelan setara online?
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QUOTE(gordonchin @ Jan 5 2021, 12:57 PM)
Does anyone know where can I get access to MBPJ's pelan setara online?
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You need to go to MBPJ, Jabatan Bangunan to buy the pelan setara. Most of the time it is finish sold off.

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