What's the diff? ATGM has at best, limited anti-air capabilities, no matter infantry or tank-launched. The system itself is the same. The capability to steer a missile at a target doesn't translate to its anti-air capabilities. Remember, an aircraft is much faster and much more maneuverable than a tank and it also has a lot of 3D space to maneuver, both not favorable conditions for something that usually hunts heavy armored vehicles. A tank may only move 5 meters in a second but a helicopter would probably have moved 20-30 meters in the same amount of time.

RPG-7 is different case from normal ATGM, it has an exploit: The grenade of an RPG-7 will self-destruct if it reaches more than 900 meters, in effect turning the self-destructing grenade into a HE-FRAG warhead. Normal ATGM don't have this feature.

It's hard to do, but perfectly possible: Always shoot at helicopters near maximum range of RPG-7 to get HE-FRAG effect. Obviously this is damn hard to do with aircraft in open area where it can see the grenade coming and make evasive maneuvers but if circumstances forced aircraft into confined spaces like Bakara Market incident where Blackhawks were running close support for the Rangers, this forces them practically just hovering and running circuits around the city, this predictability of the Blackhawks' movements made it easier for the Somali RPG gunners to shoot them down.

This post has been edited by MilitaryMadness: Feb 9 2015, 01:28 AM

a helo is not as maneuverable and much slower than even a turboprop aircraft, even so for old, slow ones like Mi-8, Super Frelon and sea king/nuri. is it possible? yes, is it recommendable? no.

Like I said previously, if u are a tank commander,when u saw attack helo, instead of engaging said attack helo, u better run and hide.

Hahaha given the advanced radar and electro/optical gear todays' attack helicopters are packing, they would probably detect you waaayyy long before you ever got a hint that they're even there.

I was once said the same thing actually. the counter argument was: other than AH-64D/E and Mi-24N, what else? just this 2. other rely on IR sensor and Mk1,mod-0 visual detection system(which is shitty in low illumination environment.

Even Tiger dun have them fancy detection radar

Attack heli currently is much deadlier with the support of uav.
new development of synthetic aperture radar, mildar and ncw really hard to escape from attack heli.

Even T-129 have mildar.
Tiger really lagging behind.

How about the German Tiger UHT? It has a mast-mounted sight. Shame it can only fitted with gun pods instead of the GIAT 30mm chin gun as according to wiki due to the Germans dissatisfation with the heavy recoil of the gun.

This post has been edited by azriel: Feb 9 2015, 10:14 AM

Confirmed sighting of Pantsir-S1/SA-22 Greyhound in Luhansk Ukraine

an effective no fly zone above rebel held territory

and dont why we are getting tat..

even Mil-28NE better if looking at capabilities wise and ability to carry 3 additional special ops crew although it mainly intended to rescue down heli crew

no read news ah....
Mil-28 very danger, after firing missile, smoke from missile can cause Mi-28 crash.


Gas ingestion suspected as Russian army Mi-28N crashes
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/...crashes-329383/

http://www.ukroboronprom.com.ua/en/newsview/1/578

neh all attack heli face the risk of gas ingestion, viper and apache also faced risk of gas ingestion especially during hover and opposing wind condition and firing multiple rockets

apache have wider plyon to put greater distances between the rocket pod and engine and the same as viper. The ocket pod is always at the edge

russian like to put their rocket pod close to the engine while missiles at edge opposite of western style

And modern heli borne ATGM are fire and forget nowadays. So they pop up, fire their missile and then duck down before nayone know they're there.

Is it possible for us to create a Joint Operational Area in the border area between Sabah and Philipines? Several area like Sibutu Islands, Bongao Island, Jolo islands on Philipines side, and Lahad Datu, Semporna and part of sandakan in Eastern Sabah will be a joint patrol area. In this region, Malaysian and Philipines security forces can move freely without the need for further authorization from their respective government. Security forces on both side can cross the border to pursue suspect or conduct an operation.

S-97 raider look goods as well

i've read earlier abt tiger having upper hand bcos we have eurocopter hub in malaysia, and i think i have to agree with this. why buy something that has no support infra in malaysia? if rosak, until when we have to wait for it to be fixed? at least if we chose eurocopter product they can provide training, trained personnel, ground support and simulator via their malaysian hub

besides 6 birdie je poon. though i hope we could pull a jew on germany

it's a sight, not a radar. Tiger is designed to rely more on passive detection system and coupled with stealth design, makes it harder to detect. other reasoning includes the possibility of radar being jammed. thats why they dun install radar on tiger even for the anti tank variant

dunno abt the 30mm gun though. french been using them in their deployments in africa and so far they are happy with it. it's more on their preference i think

i dun believe pinoy military. too many turncoats and too many corrupted officials. them soldiers are more loyal to their ethnicity and them datus than their own county( kinda understandable after being treated like shit since marcos era)

This post has been edited by ayanami_tard: Feb 9 2015, 03:55 PM

than means mi-28 design no good/mistake ?

one of Chinese weapons factory, preparation shipment for use of Bangladesh Border Guard by Maj. Tanvir

Don't know but it look like small toy factory for me, but it is a real deal, and i think China has hundreds factories of this kind

neh, if design bad, wont have client would like to buy also despite it bargain price

more like their preference to where they like to put their rocket pod. Close to engine higher the risk

then again, only in hover position you have greatest risk. Attack heli are on the move most of the time

then again 6 biji.. i doubt we will put in anti-tank role. More like a stop-gap attack heli for now. When we got more money, a full battalion

This post has been edited by thpace: Feb 9 2015, 08:17 PM

AK-47 doesn't require very precise machining standard, should be easy to build if you have standard metal stamping tools

those arent AK, but type 81

sound like im nitpicking here but AK mechanism is different from type 81. type 81 firing mechanism is more similar to SKS, but with full auto capability

This post has been edited by ayanami_tard: Feb 9 2015, 07:57 PM