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nikita zuleica
post Feb 7 2015, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(hafizushi @ Feb 7 2015, 02:38 PM)
what a huge sub, the new borei class i assume?
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Fwik Putin only concentrate on diesel class submarines asset development and acquisition nowadays


Especially Lada and Kilo class,and sub frm france never heard of nuclear class development in progress
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QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Feb 7 2015, 02:22 PM)
All of the Russian navy's submarineuser posted image
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theres the T-50 before and now the subs...

whats next? AK rifle family evolution & the tanks ?

would love it if theres a physical copy of the poster to put on walls biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(nikita zuleica @ Feb 7 2015, 03:39 PM)
Fwik Putin only concentrate on diesel class submarines asset development  and acquisition nowadays
Especially Lada and Kilo class,and sub frm france never heard of nuclear class development in progress
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Kilo mainly for sales

russia is rearming their nuclear deterrent sub.. The kilo sales serve as main source of needed funds

France are looking for needed sales so there no new significant development unless there enough funds

QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Feb 7 2015, 04:31 PM)
theres the T-50 before and now the subs...

whats next? AK rifle family evolution & the tanks ?

would love it if theres a physical copy of the poster to put on walls  biggrin.gif
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t95 armada
t50 PAK FA
s500

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MilitaryMadness
post Feb 7 2015, 09:58 PM

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US armed, trained Ukrainian army can seize all of Russia-Mikhail Shakaashvili
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Mikhail Saakashvili, the former president of Georgia, told Ukrainian television that with the appropriate knowledge, skills and weaponry, the Ukrainian military could "capture the whole of Russia."

Former Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili told Ukrainian television on Saturday that a properly armed and prepared Ukrainian army has the "spirit" to capture all of Russia.

In an interview for Ukraine's Channel 24, Saakashvili noted that "our officers, who were trained by the Americans, are now training your military. They say that the spirit of Ukrainian soldiers is the best in the world, and that if they were given the necessary knowledge, skills and weapons, they would be able to capture the whole of Russia."

Saakashvili told the television channel that he believes that "the main problem for Ukraine is its outdated anti-tank weaponry. But newer [weapons systems] exist in the US, and, if they were willing to provide them, Ukraine would smash the first 50 Russian tanks, everything will go completely differently from there."
Hahaha you mean the Shakaashvili who has US-armed and trained Georgian military thought they could take on the Russians in 2008 and got his entire armed forces smashed in just 48 hours? Yeah, because all that US arms and training he advocates Ukraine get now did his military such good results?

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Russian soldiers with captured US-made M4 carbines of the Georgian military

Also the one who fled his country right after he lost an election and is currently wanted in his home country for corruption, abuse of power and suspicion of political murders?

Obviously he is an impartial voice of reason against authoritarianism, a great pillar of democracy. laugh.gif


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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Feb 7 2015, 09:58 PM)
US armed, trained Ukrainian army can seize all of Russia-Mikhail Shakaashvili
Hahaha you mean the Shakaashvili who has US-armed and trained Georgian military thought they could take on the Russians in 2008 and got his entire armed forces smashed in just 48 hours? Yeah, because all that US arms and training he advocates Ukraine get now did his military such good results?

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Russian soldiers with captured US-made M4 carbines of the Georgian military

Also the one who fled his country right after he lost an election and is currently wanted in his home country for corruption, abuse of power and suspicion of political murders?

Obviously he is an impartial voice of reason against authoritarianism, a great pillar of democracy.  laugh.gif
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Giler wet dream, only one enemy successfuly invades russia.. the mongols

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Feb 7 2015, 10:08 PM)
Giler wet dream, only one enemy successfuly invades russia.. the mongols
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Hahaha, that time Shakaashvili is big BFFs with President Bush. Most people agree Bush gave him false confidence to attack Russian forces in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Shakaashvili though Bush got his back,but when the Russians struck back Bush did nothing. Only former French President Sarkozy did a lot to diffuse the situation and convince then-Russian President Medvedev not to have the Russian army advance all the way to Tbilisi.
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A bit old, but still golden:

Pro-Russian separatist commander 'Givi' givng interview under artillery fire. The fact that a shrapnel piece bounces off the car he is leaning on and lands just to his side continues to unfaze him. laugh.gif



Extra funny is he even picks up some shrapnel and complains loudly that it's still hot.
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Feb 7 2015, 10:58 PM)
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Russian soldiers with captured US-made M4 carbines of the Georgian military
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Remington R4 actually, a civvie short barreled AR. them russian eventually burned all them though sad.gif

pinoy oso bought them R4 to "replace" their mostly donated arms

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Feb 8 2015, 01:16 AM)
Remington R4 actually, a civvie short barreled AR. them russian eventually burned all them though sad.gif
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Man, I've quit distinguishing different makes of the M16 or M4 variants a looong time ago. Way too many manufacturers make these in different configurations, just makes my head hurt.

These days, if I see an M16 or M4-type weapon, I'll call them just that, M16 or M4. No more Remington, Bushmaster, Ferfrans, FN bullshit, they're all the same design anyway. The others are just technicalities (barrel length, semi-auto only,picatinny rails etc etc). Besides, it saves on Panadol cost. laugh.gif

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Prototype Type 98 MBT with built-in SAM launcher
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Prototype type 98 MBT with integral FN-6 SAM

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Close-up of the SAM turret installation

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Add-on IR/visual seeker cupola for SAM system

For the time this is just a mock-up, but the concept is interesting.

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QUOTE(trollboy @ Feb 8 2015, 08:48 PM)
Attack helis have found their match
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Won't be that hard to push the design ahead, that's for sure. The concept is sound, and the tech involved is not that complicated, just need a bit of engineering to put it all together.

The FN-6 missile won't be enough to bring down an A-10 or Apache though, but against smaller helicopters & UAVs should be no problem. At least have some form of organic air defense other than HMG. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Feb 8 2015, 02:41 PM)
Man, I've quit distinguishing different makes of the M16 or M4 variants a looong time ago. Way too many manufacturers make these in different configurations, just makes my head hurt. 

These days, if I see an M16 or M4-type weapon, I'll call them just that, M16 or M4. No more Remington, Bushmaster, Ferfrans, FN bullshit, they're all the same design anyway. The others are just technicalities (barrel length, semi-auto only,picatinny rails etc etc). Besides, it saves on Panadol cost.  laugh.gif
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It Is referred to as an AR type rifle if filling up reports,referring it as a M16 would get us in trouble lol
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Dispelling the vulnerability myths of Soviet/Russian MBT design

There's a ton of myths related to the supposed vulnerability of the Soviet/Russian designed autoloader system. we'll discuss some of them:

1) Soviet/Russian MBTs will instantly 'brew up' an blow off the turret any time it's hit.

The myth persists because the image is more dramatic and memorable, but in truth it is quite hard to make the Soviet/Russian designed tanks to blow up due to the design of the ammunition/propellant cassette. The cassette itself is sealed (it's reloaded from a sealable hatch and the feed hatch is only temporarily opened as the autoloader arm is extracting the contents, other times it is sealed) and the cassette is itself heavily armored. The positioning of the cassette itself also helps protect it, as it is designed as a carousel rotary design and to have a small side section as possible, the shells lie flat against the floor of the turret, out of the way of the usual possible hit points of the MBT .

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Diagram of a Russian T-90 MBT. Ammunition cassette is located low in the turret and shaded in red, notice the very small target area in relation to the overall size of the tank itself.

Most of the problems associated with the Soviet/Russian designed MBTs easily destructing were usually the lack of discipline in the tank crewmen. The limited capacity of the autoloader system (only 22 rounds of the large 125mm rounds are able to be loaded into the cassette of a T-72 MBT) causes some crews to stash extra shells and propellants in the hull and turret bustle, these are the major causes of the catastrophic damage sometimes can be observed, when a penetrating plasma jet stream or kinetic penetrator can easily set off the extra propellants, due to the lack of of armored protection of the cassette.

This and the low quality of the fire-extinguishing system of the export models (the derisively so-called 'monkey models') that were usually supplied to armed forces allied to the Soviets/Russian (mostly for the middle-east) is the main reason of the low opinion of the Soviet/Russian tanks (some have also installed lower quality NBC equipment).

That's about it concerning the autoloader. Next time we'll discuss the myth that a Soviet/Russian MBT's loading arm of the autoloader will take off arms of crew members.
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Israeli merkava with their lahat missile can bring down helicopter too
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post Feb 8 2015, 11:46 PM

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would they do that? using GLATGM would guarantee a higher percentage of hit than plain HE-FRAG with proximity fuse( and there are atempts to shoot helo during iran iraq war, operatiom enduring freedom and iraqi freedom), but believe me, if u see an attack helo, your best chance is to pop a smoke and hope for the best(IR/radar rosak/oil almost empty/said helo got no atgm left/etc).
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Feb 8 2015, 11:46 PM)
would they do that? using GLATGM would guarantee a higher percentage of hit than plain HE-FRAG with proximity fuse( and there are atempts to shoot helo during iran iraq war, operatiom enduring freedom and iraqi freedom), but believe me, if u see an attack helo, your best chance is to pop a smoke and hope for the best(IR/radar rosak/oil almost empty/said helo got no atgm left/etc).
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Would it guarantee better percentage? At least SHORAD system has an independent seeker, higher speed and relatively longer range. Would a SACLOS-aimed ATGM (and better yet, the operator) be good enough to aim at a aerial moving object. As I see it, it has more downsides if it's to be used for Anti-air duties (limited guidance wire length in case of wire guided, fast moving target in 3D environment, slow missile speed, HEAT warhead don't have proximity fuze etc etc) .

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GLATGM bro. one that fired from tank gun. javelin oso can.infact anythimg that flies less than 100m is fair game. hell if rpg can be used to down a blackhawk, why cant atgm?

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