can micranthemum 'monte carlo' be grown without co2?

You need CO2. Especially when you trying to submerge an emerged MC, it needs a good dose of CO2 to convert it.

wrong perception bro, sand is very hard to maintain, to keep it clean like the first day. no way....
do you intend to mix sand with soil?

i think its just better either with soil or just sand only. guess doing soil is easier since sand is hard to maintain haha...i dun want end up screwing up the whole tank for nothing....

yeah, just soil will do. don't mix unless you know what you are doing.

Ok been 3 mths now and i have done what i can with no solution, only been growing monte carlo in my nano tank sized abt 1ft lgth.
Co2 2bps with checker at green color on the opposite side
Light Pro LED Y series 25
Soil ADA aquasoil powder type
Filter shiruba xb305
Only rock and monte carlo

Daily water change for first week
Alternate day wc for 2nd week
Then third week sudden algae boom with hair algae
Got a team of amano shrimp and finally fix the problem in 1 week
Monte start to creep and grow nice but after a week turn brown on the edge of the leaves till the whole leaves. New leaves coming out just to turn brown again on the edge at the following week.

Start with potassium dosing for a week doing alter ate day dosing. No apparent changes.
But somehow, green dust algae boom all of the sudden, so bought some cae but doesnt seem to help. Do a large water change seem to tune it down. Still appear but in a controlled manner.
Monte still the same, growing fine but turn brown on the edge after few days.

Start dosing phoporus for 2 weeks now, still the same.

I am clueless as in how to fix this.

Additional info: i been using RO water since from the start till now.
Also, no water testing done. Not going to buy those testing kit which is so expensive. Or was it even necessary?

Hope to get some advise
Thank you

i wont worry much on the gda. its simply can be wipe off during wc. else u can leave it for 3 weeks and it will die.
RO on planted tank is not helpful imho. i totally forgot the reason why.. it is much better to use normal water tap with anti chlorine.

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i wont worry much on the gda. its simply can be wipe off during wc. else u can leave it for 3 weeks and it will die.
RO on planted tank is not helpful imho. i totally forgot the reason why.. it is much better to use normal water tap with anti chlorine.

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Well not too much of worrying on the gda but the browning of the plant. Just cant find a solution as in how it's browning.

hope this help

Thank for the help, i think for now, i try tap water see how it goes.

hi, know where 2 get dry fertilizer?

my Eheim 2217 is somehow spraying air in my 2.5'..like between 10-15min there will be bubbles inside the canister and you can hear it swirling and the bubble comes out from the outlet and the pump back to silent mode again..it's not that loud and annoying..the noise is still bearable..but i plan to buy inline co2 reactor like this http://www.lelong.com.my/ista-co2-reactor-...6-10-Sale-P.htm but afraid the bubble from the canister will accumulate with the co2 in the reactor..and does it effect the process in the reactor?.

p/s: i only open up the inlet valve around 3/4 from full capacity..is that the reason?.

nope, no problem 1, remove the air in ur canister thn it won't annoy you anymore
tis reactor prone 2 water leak u will need those thread seal tape, or buy a better 1

i'm using tis

http://www.lazada.com.my/joylivecy-detacha...18.html?boost=1

yup, the 1 you use is much better build than what i plan to buy..but then comes in the budget factor..

about the bubble..the problem is i'm not sure if removing the air will silent it because there are bubbles exiting from the outer pipe into the tank and it silent again (logically this mean that there is no air left in the canister)..but then, there will be swirling sound again..and again after sometimes..so how exactly the air comes in?.i don't have a surface skimmer tap to the canister, there is no water leaking (visually) in connector that can be the reason for some air slip through, beside the swirling sound, the pump work perfectly silent..

i think the solution u given me just now is for when there are continuous swirling sound in the canister right?.

I'm also using Eheim 2217, but there is no air leakage. You must have a leak somewhere, maybe in the inlet connecting valve. I fully open my valve.

About that reactor. I also bought that, and threw it away after one day. For me it was a waste of money because of a few reasons. I couldn't get it to stand straight unless I screw mount it to my cabinet (which I didn't). And then it reduced my flow rate because of the resistance caused by the reactor. After one day, I gave up and went back to using normal diffuser.

I have used inline diffuser though, and got satisfactory results with it. Just my experience.

Hi Jen,
Browning is caused by deficiencies. Its in your ferts regime. Have to dose both macro and micro ferts - Potassium or phosphorous alone is not enough.

For me, at this stage of the tank, I would use ADA Bright-K, Green Brighty Step-1, and Phyton Git. Dose only 50% of recommended dosage (since you only have Marco Polo), but can adjust and play around with the dosage.

If ADA ferts is too expensive, then can try Estimate Index dosing.

I used to use EI too, but had algae problems but many have had good success with it. Also admittedly I didn't follow the EI schedule strictly. But certainly your answer is in the ferts.

I have Marco Polo too - I love that plant, and week by week I'm watching it spread its runners. I don't have browning issues though (or any issue .

You can get it from here: http://www.lelong.com.my/merchant/algaefar...C1-141456-1.htm

His shop is somewhere near sungai buloh.

i did ask him about DIY fert ingredient yesterday..but he say some have no stock..so maybe this week will restock...hopefully what he said is true..
but if you looking for open&use fert, not sure about it..

I see. The owner is quite cincai. I went there yesterday and saw he has a big patch of MC floating in the planted tank, and he sold rm10 for a patch bigger than my palm size! Easily worth rm30. Submerged MC some more.

Also, cheap red cherry shrimp can be purchased there. It's my favourite fish shop but too far away from my place.

This post has been edited by artsyfarty: Nov 30 2015, 05:03 PM

haih...why no such shop in JB..hahaha..