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 Folding Bicycles v4 - Not only Folding Bikes, Folding bicycle discussion

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azamunekurone
post Mar 12 2015, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(H2D @ Mar 11 2015, 09:41 PM)
u can achieve 50kmh using 55x11, 451 wheel, at cadence around 110rpm..
on flat... assume zero headwind la....

since most foldie and minivelo have problem installing cadence sensor...

many duno their cadence max out at wht value.... biggrin.gif....
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wow....ur leg are very strong lah bro.i also cannot pedal 53+11,max i can go 53+12,unless around 1km only other than that i cannot tahan already!

oh ya,speaking of cadence sensor,
any foldie or minivelo that have chainstay can put cadence sensor bro.this is mine

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strada double wireless, feature cadence reading

few model are quite imposible to install the cadence sensor,that is if i can remember xds,java,volcano, dahon vybe, MUp8 and few more model without chainstay.. cry.gif
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QUOTE(azamunekurone @ Mar 12 2015, 08:32 AM)
wow....ur leg are very strong lah bro.i also cannot pedal 53+11,max i can go 53+12,unless around 1km only other than that i cannot tahan already!

oh ya,speaking of cadence sensor,
any foldie or minivelo that have chainstay can put cadence sensor bro.this is mine

few model are quite imposible to install the cadence sensor,that is if i can remember xds,java,volcano, dahon vybe, MUp8 and few more model without chainstay.. cry.gif
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biggrin.gif tht is just an example i gave after getting the cadence from bike calculator, not tht i can cycle at tht setting biggrin.gif even can hit oso mebe few seconds oni.... biggrin.gif


installing cadence sensor on minivelo or folding bike is a problem even for bike with chain stay cos the wheel 20 inch even 451 is too small.

most manufacture like cateye very lazy they do 2 sensor together like ur strada, some got wire linked both sensors, but still too short.

u need to find one tht is totally separated. so far ive come across few bike computer who does it. polar is one...

or u can use gps for speed n install the cadence sensor to send the crank... sacrificing the speed sensor...


like this tak bleh.....

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this still kenot... mebe can...

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this can...

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This post has been edited by H2D: Mar 12 2015, 10:56 AM
saviola47
post Mar 12 2015, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(etigge @ Mar 11 2015, 06:05 PM)
Usually it is good to train till you can cruise averagely at 18 km/h to 20km/h on a 20 inch foldie. That's the usual speed when we ride long distance (above 50 km) but if the route we are riding is less than that (like 30 km) , me and wife usually ride at 23 km/h to 28 km/h. This is off course on flat terrain with not much headwind lah! even at this cruising speed my gear ratio is at 52T in front and 14 rear. So the cadence is as proportianate to it. Any ratio higher than that, it will tire me out easily.

Off course, it will be faster with a mini velo as the tires are usually narrower and with 451 wheelset. We have hit 56 km/h zooming down from Genting Peras and the max we did on a 20 inch foldie is 48 km/h. Me and wife's 20 inch foldies has the handlebar shorten by one inch on each side so the handling is not so twitchy!  icon_rolleyes.gif
P/S . I use a Garmin GPS  while my wife uses the Cateye cyclo meter and the readings runs with a slight difference but not much. So, the readings are quite accurate provided you set it up correctly.
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It means I didnt setup the cyclo meter correctly lorr. Hit 60 km/h twice already. hmm.gif
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post Mar 12 2015, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(H2D @ Mar 12 2015, 10:53 AM)
biggrin.gif  tht is just an example i gave after getting the cadence from bike calculator, not tht i can cycle at tht setting  biggrin.gif even can hit oso mebe few seconds oni.... biggrin.gif
installing cadence sensor on minivelo or folding bike is a problem even for bike with chain stay cos the wheel 20 inch even 451 is too small.

most manufacture like cateye very lazy they do 2 sensor together like ur strada, some got wire linked both sensors, but still too short.

u need to find one tht is totally separated. so far ive come across  few bike computer who does it. polar is one...

or u can use gps for speed n install the cadence sensor to send the crank... sacrificing the speed sensor...
like this tak bleh.....

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this still kenot... mebe can...

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this can...

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my setup ngam2 only.the max can get,but do remember my wheelset are 406.the magnet i place near crankarm end and tighten with cable tight kaw-kaw.this the max setup i can go,but u need to senget a bit the sensor to get magnet on the wheel and crankarm really close to it!

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post Mar 12 2015, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(etigge @ Mar 11 2015, 06:05 PM)
P/S . I use a Garmin GPS  while my wife uses the Cateye cyclo meter and the readings runs with a slight difference but not much. So, the readings are quite accurate provided you set it up correctly.
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Your Garmin and the Cateye connected to external speed sensor or just relying on speed info from GPS satellite signal?

QUOTE(H2D @ Mar 12 2015, 10:53 AM)
biggrin.gif  tht is just an example i gave after getting the cadence from bike calculator, not tht i can cycle at tht setting  biggrin.gif even can hit oso mebe few seconds oni.... biggrin.gif
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On a 24" wheel with 50 x 11 gearing, 86 cadence can get you to 50km/hr. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(H2D @ Mar 12 2015, 10:53 AM)
installing cadence sensor on minivelo or folding bike is a problem even for bike with chain stay cos the wheel 20 inch even 451 is too small.

most manufacture like cateye very lazy they do 2 sensor together like ur strada, some got wire linked both sensors, but still too short.

u need to find one tht is totally separated. so far ive come across  few bike computer who does it. polar is one...

or u can use gps for speed n install the cadence sensor to send the crank... sacrificing the speed sensor...
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The new Garmin speed and cadence sensors (the ones that come with Garmin Edge 1000 and not the GSC-10 Speed/Cadence Combo sensor) comes separate in 2 units and magnetless (without magnets).

QUOTE(azamunekurone @ Mar 12 2015, 05:00 PM)
my setup ngam2 only.the max can get,but do remember my wheelset are 406.the magnet i place near crankarm end and tighten with cable tight kaw-kaw.this the max setup i can go,but u need to senget a bit the sensor to get magnet on the wheel and crankarm really close to it!

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If not wrong, you can replace the magnet on the crankarm with flat type neodym magnets such that it sticks at the hole where the pedal is mounted. No need cable tie.
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post Mar 12 2015, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Mar 12 2015, 05:47 PM)
Your Garmin and the Cateye connected to external speed sensor or just relying on speed info from GPS satellite signal?
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The Garmin is via satellite only. Usually 5 to 6 are tracked so, elevation and speed is quite accurate. Cateye is via the sensor but still the cheaper version has no minute settings only on general 16 inch, 20 inch, 22 inch etc settings. The more expensive ones you can set the settings to the exact diameter.
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post Mar 13 2015, 12:24 AM

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just got a new foldie..anyone from wangsa maju area?
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post Mar 13 2015, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Mar 12 2015, 05:47 PM)
If not wrong, you can replace the magnet on the crankarm with flat type neodym magnets such that it sticks at the hole where the pedal is mounted. No need cable tie.
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IMHO better for me to secure it with cable tie to make it safer.compare to paid for lost magnets,that some price lah.sometimes for a long journey we never know what type of surface we will ride.unless the bike are on trainer than its ok for me biggrin.gif
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Aiyah, all these speed and cadence measurements are a waste of time.

If you are overtaken by someone, it means you are slow, so cycle faster and re-overtake that person.....

If your cadence is slowing despite shifting down, it means time to eat, then go home for a nap....

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post Mar 13 2015, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(etigge @ Mar 12 2015, 09:15 PM)
The Garmin is via satellite only. Usually 5 to 6 are tracked so, elevation and speed is quite accurate. Cateye is via the sensor but still the cheaper version has no minute settings only on general 16 inch, 20 inch, 22 inch etc settings. The more expensive ones you can set the settings to the exact diameter.
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Ok, that explains the differences. I would say neither is really accurate for speed. I notice speed from GPS is less accurate at low speeds and not fast enough to detect speed changes.

Can your Garmin detect external speed sensors? Swap bikes and mount the Garmin on your wife's bike and see if you get the same reading difference.

Garmin units like the Edge 500, 810 and 1000 can manually set the exact wheel circumference.

QUOTE(azamunekurone @ Mar 13 2015, 10:11 AM)
IMHO better for me to secure it with cable tie to make it safer.compare to paid for lost magnets,that some price lah.sometimes for a long journey we never know what type of surface we will ride.unless the bike are on trainer than its ok for me biggrin.gif
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Neodym magnets are very strong magnets and flat and can sit flush in the lobang where the pedal is bolted. You can buy a few on the internet and very cheap.

Since they are very strong, you can even move the sensor slightly further nearer towards the wheel to detect speed.

QUOTE(desastar @ Mar 13 2015, 01:43 PM)
Aiyah, all these speed and cadence measurements are a waste of time.

If you are overtaken by someone, it means you are slow, so cycle faster and re-overtake that person.....

If your cadence is slowing despite shifting down, it means time to eat, then go home for a nap....

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Well, I cannot speak for the rest but I'm a gadget geek and it's nice that I can take that part of it in this new found cycling hobby. biggrin.gif Different strokes for different folks.
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post Mar 13 2015, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Mar 13 2015, 03:23 PM)
Ok, that explains the differences. I would say neither is really accurate for speed. I notice speed from GPS is less accurate at low speeds and not fast enough to detect speed changes.

Can your Garmin detect external speed sensors? Swap bikes and mount the Garmin on your wife's bike and see if you get the same reading difference.

Garmin units like the Edge 500, 810 and 1000 can manually set the exact wheel circumference.
Neodym magnets are very strong magnets and flat and can sit flush in the lobang where the pedal is bolted. You can buy a few on the internet and very cheap.


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Yes the Garmin can but I actually use the Garmin for route planning. I map my routes, check the topography on Google map or Map My Ride, then download it onto the Garmin and then follow the route. That's my main aim for the Garmin. As for speed, as long as I can guess the ETA is fine with me, no necessity for accuracy. Cadence and heart beat monitors also I don't use it. Only mapping usage. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 13 2015, 08:07 PM

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Hi Guys,

Still new to folding bike, just bought a Tern D16.
Just to ask, which shop do you recommend for more complete accessories ?
I mean helmet, the bike shop that i bought don't have many choice.

Anyway, i'm from KL / Selangor area

Thank you
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post Mar 13 2015, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(Renee @ Mar 13 2015, 08:07 PM)
Hi Guys,

Still new to folding bike, just bought a Tern D16.
Just to ask, which shop do you recommend for more complete accessories ?
I mean helmet, the bike shop that i bought don't have many choice.

Anyway, i'm from KL / Selangor area

Thank you
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If you are a stickler for helmets, better browse BBS and then set up appointment and check it out. Most bike shops don't stock a lot, first , they are bulky and takes a lot of space, second, too many models, brands and colors, not to mention brands. So, usually they just stock a few brands only. Not much accessories to mention anyway, saddle bags, pumps, tools, inner tubes, tires, most decent bike shops have it. You can browse a few bike shops to complete your setup. Usually for foldies, must have is ,
01) saddle bag to store a) spare tube b) bike tool c) tire levers d) your wallet and phone
02) tire pump
03) bottle cage and water bottle
04) helmet
05) gloves

That's about it for normal rides.
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post Mar 13 2015, 09:08 PM

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Is it safe to ride alone at guthrie highway?
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post Mar 13 2015, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(etigge @ Mar 13 2015, 04:24 PM)
Yes the Garmin can but I actually use the Garmin for route planning. I map my routes, check the topography on Google map or Map My Ride, then download it onto the Garmin and then follow the route. That's my main aim for the Garmin. As for speed, as long as I can guess the ETA  is fine with me, no necessity for accuracy. Cadence and heart beat monitors also I don't use it. Only mapping usage.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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almost same.. i use the edge for mapping and future reference on the route.
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post Mar 14 2015, 01:32 AM

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QUOTE(saviola47 @ Mar 13 2015, 09:08 PM)
Is it safe to ride alone at guthrie highway?
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Nope ! A few incidents already. nod.gif
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QUOTE(etigge @ Mar 14 2015, 01:32 AM)
Nope ! A few incidents already.  nod.gif
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Got robbeb?
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post Mar 14 2015, 08:14 AM

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QUOTE(etigge @ Mar 14 2015, 01:32 AM)
Nope ! A few incidents already.  nod.gif
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QUOTE(H2D @ Mar 14 2015, 07:26 AM)
Got robbeb?
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Got robbed or accident?
Always saw ppl cycling along the guthrie when going to work.

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post Mar 14 2015, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(saviola47 @ Mar 14 2015, 08:14 AM)
Got robbed or accident?
Always saw ppl cycling along the guthrie when going to work.
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From what I heard. twice already, a Nissan Vannette stopped and a few guys with machete came down and robbed them of their bikes and handphones. Somebody is tipping them on the value of the roadbikes! Last I heard from a fellow rider, make sure you wear underpants even when you are wearing padded shorts in Kesas. They now want your riding attires as well, especially those with matching pants. Hahahaaaa! biggrin.gif But I don't ride on highways, so I am not affected.
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QUOTE(etigge @ Mar 14 2015, 10:41 AM)
From what I heard. twice already, a Nissan Vannette stopped and a few guys with machete came down and robbed them of their bikes and handphones. Somebody is tipping them on the value of the roadbikes!
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Thanks for info. We we just turn and ride against traffic to escape?

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